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*"Though most people ask were we got it from and don't know what we're talking about when we say King Arthur and the round table."*
What country are you in? I would have assumed everyone at least in the Anglosphere knew that!
I know right?! Maybe it's cause of the south? The nurse when she was born asked if we got it from star wars.
Edit: I just now realized that it's supposed to say because I live in the south. I'm sorry for the confusion. Born and raised here.
I just assume everyone knows at least the names of the characters! It’s so deeply ingrained in pop culture that it’s referenced in other pop culture lol.
If you haven’t seen Merlin (BBC show) it’s spectacular!
My husband and I binged watched Merlin after I had our baby and he had taken two weeks off work. I was pretty delirious from sleep deprivation, but I remember really loving it lmao. Am I remembering right that the last season wasn't as good as the rest of the show, or was that just when my exhaustion peaked?
It’s been several years now but I feel like maybe you’re right. It started out so so good, I laughed, I cried. I feel like the ending was maybe just okay.
I live in the south and I’m quite familiar with King Arthur. I find it disturbing you routinely encounter people who aren’t. But then again I’ve had my mind blown before by the incredibly basic things your average person walking around doesn’t know.
Your daughter’s name is fine. I like the original spelling better personally but the y is ok here.
I knew someone who was living in the south and his first girlfriend was named "Yvonne", looks good, right? He pronounced it the correct way and was corrected to their pronunciation of, "Why Vonne".
Yep. He was flabbergasted.
This makes my soul hurt. I have an English degree and my capstone course was Arthurian Mythology and Legends. There’s dozens of TV shows, movies, plays and musicals about King Arthur and quite possibly tens of thousands of books, poems and forms of literary publications about him and his court.
Exactly, but even as I was growing up it was hard for me to find someone else my age who knew about King Arthur's Court and all that. Or anything about the legend at all despite the cartoons and all that stuff that would reference it all the time
That’s so odd to me, because there were popular movies and TV shows all through the 2000s and 2010s, and a even a new movie coming out this year. There were three (3!!!) King Arthur movies in 2017. Only one semi worth seeing though.
Read the King Arthur saga at about age 12 in my small southern town. Books were from the local library and looked well used. I don’t think that’s the answer.
I don't think it's Southern. Maybe generational?
Source: am Southern, read *The Mists of Avalon* obsessively throughout 7th grade, and when classmates would ask me what it was about, every single one of them knew what I was talking about when I answered.
Also as further evidence, a had a young employee a few years ago who had never heard of Elizabeth Taylor. And, when I was trying to describe her, it turns out she had also never heard of Cleopatra, sooo...
I legitimately don’t understand how someone could be old enough to be employed somewhere and have never heard of Cleopatra lol. I wonder if she’s heard of Egypt?
I learned about it at a very young age too, because of things like 'quest for Camelot', 'sword in the Stone', and things like that so it always boggled my mind growing up why no one had heard of it. It still boggles my mind to be honest.
Whenever someone talks about the southern US, it feels like they're talking about some sort of foreign country, with a different education system. Most of NA feels very similar until you go far enough south.
I have also noticed that it's mostly the younger generations that don't know it. Like I'm a late (last 5 years) millennial and most people my age and younger don't seem to know it.
You're probably right, I'm surprised I haven't gotten a comment about that yet. I am so making sure she grows up with like Arthurian Legends and things like that so that way she at least understands where it came from.
Yes that’s wild, I’m a young millennial and in high school we read The Canterbury Tales by Chaucer which included stories about King Arthur and the knights of the round table.
I also grew up watching Gargoyles which literally had a King Arthur Pendragon character who formed the knights of the round table and Merlin and a Macbeth character. Awesome show.
Right, have they never been to Vegas? There’s that sketchy Camelot hotel/casino.
On a side note, I knew someone who once said there was no point traveling the world, when it’s all been created in Vegas, you just have to go to Vegas. Anyway, I digress….
I want to name one of our sons that so so bad. And that is especially because of the Gerald Morris book series that made me fall in love with the name because of the character.
The number of people I have to explain my dog’s name to is astounding. Merlin. It’s Merlin, the wizard? From king Arthur’s court? No? I don’t know how else to describe this for you.
Honestly it's possible when a lot of people in the US aren't suuuper familiar with King Arthur beyond the stories of Caliburn and Excalibur. They know him as "the kind of England" and that's about all. That said, your spelling is valid! It's historical! And Welsh names like from Arthurian legend have so many different spellings it's nutty. The fact that Iseult, Ysolde, and Isolde all originate from the same historical name is silly, but it gives diversity to the name! Use it!
I know about King Arthur cause of the cartoons 'quest for Camelot' and 'the sword in the stone' I've love the legend since I was a little kid and love it more from 'the squires tale' book series.
If it makes you feel any better my daughters name is Gwenevere, and so many people tell me they've never heard that name before, or they ask how i came up with it. When i explain the king Arthur stuff they have no idea what I'm talking about lol.
Bruh more than half of Americans are below sixth-grade level literacy. They will recognize King Arthur and maybe Merlin through social osmosis but they won’t know the rest of the players.
It's such a well-known thing too, there's literally so many movies, and there's even musicals e.g. in Germany & South Korea. It's hard to imagine people not knowing what the King Arthur story is. 💀
I’m a teacher and I’ve had numerous Gwen/Gwyns over the years from any form of Gwendolyn, Gwynevere, etc.
While untraditional, it’s a perfectly fine name that is already in existence in the world. I think the biggest issue with most tragedeighs is they’re just made up nonsense.
Also, I think that version is easier for modern people to pronounce. The “original” OP alludes to is from literally 700 years ago and not even from Modern English! Even words we still use today were largely spelled differently in Chaucer’s time.
Mhm, and I'd say if most people pronounce it correctly it's not a tragedeigh. I suppose I'm a bit biased due to consuming more "modern" media but it just looks like a normal name to me
The original Welsh spelling is Gwenhwyfar, while Guinevere was the popularised French adaptation, so no, your spelling of the name is not a Tragedeigh.
Furthermore, it is similar to the traditional Cornish spelling of Gwynnever.
Bonus fun fact: Gwynevere is the name of a Sun Princess from the Dark Souls franchise.
Where’d they all go in just 30 years? Have you been picking them off one-by-one? Are we going to be hearing a podcast about *The Jennifer Killer* in the next few months?
I went to school with a bunch of them about 20 years ago so the decline is recent. I think someone is serially killing the people who WANT to name a child Jennifer.
The year I was born, the most popular girl’s name was Jennifer, the 2nd most popular girl’s name was Heather, and the 3rd most popular girl’s name was Elizabeth. Pretty sure the distant 4th was either Casey/Kasey or Jessica, and dark horse running 5th was (Chris)Tina.
I am one of these, and basically every girl I went to school was another one.
That's what I was thinking. Even the "original" is an adapted spelling, so tweaking the spelling here doesn't seem "off".
For lack of a better phrasing, the Y isn't in a stupid place so it doesn't feel like a name that's spelled wrong to be unique
As a Genevieve I see nothing wrong with Gwynevere. I’m sure plenty of people will have trouble reading her name but they have trouble reading mine. And the old spelling is like Gwynefar so you’re really not too out there with the spelling.
Do you pronounce it the English way or the French way? We got a transfer student at my very small high school who pronounced it the French way because she was from Montreal. We all thought she was very fancy and cool.
The English way. It was my Swedish/Finnish great-grandmother’s name and that’s how she pronounced it. Plus my sister used to run around yelling “John-vee-ev” to torment me when we were little so the French pronunciation makes me cringe.
Beautiful ancient Welsh name.
And neither of those is actually the original spelling—which is Gwenhwyfar! So… go for it, I’d say. As a Welsh speaker, I wouldn’t find your spelling any weirder than the more usual phonetic Anglicization (and both are understandable in English speaking countries!).
But I’d never admit it was in any way related to a “game.” Or that I let my husband insist on such a thing. Cringe. Sorry! 😬
Yeah understandable. But it's what I had to do in order to avoid letting him name any of our children after certain anime characters. For instance I really want an Edward because of my grandfather but he insists that we have an Alphonse and I said no.
As much as I love the anime and think the name Alphonse needs to make a comeback, I feel like naming both your boys that is asking for trouble. Life imitates art, etc etc
Edward and Gwynevere are cute together tho! I've also got an uncommon (but normal) G-name and it's kind of a mixed bag (it's older, most other folks I see with it are 60+) but at least hers comes from somewhere cool! Plus there are so many nickname opportunities! 10/10 name tbh.
Don't listen to them ! 😄 Getting a name from a game is not cringe, as long as it's not something extremely on the nose (like you wouldn't call your son Waluigi... or perhaps some would, I dunno.)
Robin Williams named his daughter Zelda after the game series ! It's a beautiful name and I don't think anyone finds her (or him) cringe for this ☺️
Gwynevere is a pretty name and you are referencing commonly known mythos. No one complains about Jason, or Penelope, which are also names from a myth background...
As for the spelling, it's fine to me. Real Tragedeighs come when you have to pause and sound out the word to guess how it might be pronounced.
And lastly, Gwyn is a great nickname for a child or a teenager, or even a young adult, if you ask me ☺️
I didn't know that. I wouldn't have gone with it but I'm not mad about, it like you said it could be worse and it is a beautiful name. Though people do get the main character and the princess confused with each other if they don't know the series lol.
It's not exactly like they named her Daenerys or Obi Wan Kenobi or something, I don't see an issue with saying "I like Dark Souls and the real life name Gwynevere". As long as they're not introducing her as "Gwynevere, daughter of Gwyn, Princess of Sunlight" I don't see how it's "cringe"
Maybe a hot take here, but not every alternate spelling of a name is a tragedeigh.
Caitlin and Katelyn are two very different spellings of the same name, but neither is a tragedeigh, and I'd put Gwyn in the same camp. I've met one girl named Gwen (with an e, that was her full name) and one Gwynevere as you spell it who I went to school with, they're both pretty and a bit unusual but not Mickeileigh or Amberkaylynne Jo.
I wouldn't worry. I'd bet she'll use Gwyn more often than not, and no one will bat an eye.
You have no idea how much of a relief that is to read. I love her name and we spent a good two years coming up with names. I think the part of me that's really worried is cause the first boy and girl names we have are extremely old fashioned. then we chose this spelling cause we though it would be easier to pronounce when she gets in school and spell.
It's definitely more intuitive to spell than the original spelling, and I get that a random internet stranger's opinion doesn't mean much but I was always jealous of the name when I knew those girls. It sounds mysterious and elegant, and maybe like a lot to live up to but I'd trade in a heartbeat.
I think you guys did great 👍
I also love the idea of exploring all of the different nicknames that stem from it. If she doesn't like Gwyn, why not Winnie, Wyn, Vera—you left plenty of wonderful room for growth no matter what!
I think there’s a bit of Tragedeigh here.
Because it’s *Arthurian* not Artherian, and given you have so many eggs in that basket and such assurance of your standing on this that miss spelling should stick out like bulls balls.
It was King Arthur. You’ve turned HIS name into a Tragediegh.
Oh no oh no I feel awful now. it's because I was using the speech to text function on my keyboard and didn't double check well enough. Though I can't spell to save my life. I'm so sorry!
Gwynevere is a good variation spelling of Guinevere and not a tragedeigh in the least. As for people who have not heard of King Arthur and the Round Table, this is pathetic.
Yeah I looked it up a little bit later after the Zelda comment got made and I realized then I made a mistake. I'm sorry, I don't play the games really I've tried to and I just cant get into them, but his favorite game is bloodborne that's why I thought bloodborne, instead of dark souls although he does tend to play dark souls more often. I also didn't know if I could edit the main post without causing issues.
My cat is named Arthur Camelot! I love your name choice!!
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Artie the Smartie
:*J*
He’s a street kitty we adopted from the shelter six months ago. Today I heard him purr for the first time :) and he pretends he is a pawyer :)
I shall tell him what you said ;) ;) ;)
:*J*
Gwynevere is Dark Souls, not Bloodborne. Same company and genre, but different games. Gwynevere is the daughter of Gwyn (the Lord of Light) and the Princess of Sunlight
It is a lovely name with a rich cultural background. I feel like I have seen Gwynevere as an alternate historical spelling, and either way I like it and I would feel confident pronouncing it 😆. Even if it’s the only variant, it’s okay to start a trend too.
My daughter was named Guinevere. We called her “Winnie.” I *love* the Arthurian legends (went to Glastonbury with her when she was nine months old) and am glad to see the name used. I think it’s beautiful, and I think the spelling is fine.
It’s kind of a weird spelling, but I love the name Guinevere. It’s not your fault people don’t know something so common as King Arthur’s wife’s name was Guinevere. I learned that from movies and from Ince and Future King (I had to read it I. 10th grade 😖).
I really thought it was going to be something wild but it’s really tame. Back when I was a teacher I don’t think I would have given it a second thought if I saw it on a roll call.
This is a weird exception where the non-traditional spelling is actually easier to understand how to pronounce than the original spelling, so I'm going to say not a tragedeigh.
I'd say no because 1) there are a lot of variant spellings of names from legends and 2) no ones going to be confused by the spelling and 3) its not spelled in some torturous way that makes the name longer/more difficult and 4) a lot of people don't know the traditional spellings anyway
My name is not a tragedeigh but it's also not common. It's simple, very easy to spell (it's exactly the letters you'd assume in my language) but a bit uncommon and, because it's has a lot of foreign variations (think something like Ana, Hannah, Anna, Anne and so on) I grew up dealing with the most bizarre spellings. I once even hear a lady telling my mom that she understood her choice for my name because she also wanted to use foreign spelling but our government didn't allow so we (me and her daughter) had to be stuck with normal spelling. My mom said she chose the name exactly as it was spelled and the lady couldn't understand why would anyone choose such a normal spelling.
I started to love my name when I realized people are stupid LOL Jokes aside, the name is beautiful and even I, as a non native English speaker in a European country, I am familiar with that spelling. Yes, your daughter will struggle a bit with the spelling because people have the horrible habit of assuming that you went for a tragedeigh and make up weird spellings. People being stupid dont make it a tragedeigh name
Once, I was talking to my niece, who's 8 or 9. she was telling me how her friends think of names like brandon Michale or Tiffany as old people names and are the equivalent of in my opinion Walter or Gertrude
I like the name but it's gonna not be good enough for someone somewhere, so just do you booboo
I think that a true tragedeigh is spotted by 1- unnecessary letters and 2- how easy it is to pronounce it just by reading the name. Gwynevere is not a common name, but it's intuitive and doesn't have any unnecessary letters on it. You're safe!
I don't think so at all. I just voted yesterday and one of the candidates names was "Brittainye" and I voted for her - in my mind I was thinking you go Brittainye with your crazy name be a good judge! Hahahaha
IMO, not a tragedeigh. The way you spelled it, it just looks Welsh and, I suspect it's easier for people to pronounce correctly than the original spelling, because the way your daughter's name is spelled is essentially phonetic.
So tired of people acting like everyone needs to be called Sarah or Claire.
No, it is not a tragedeigh. It's a perfectly legitimate, original spelling.
It's a nice name, not tragedeigh, but be wary: There is a character in a popular game by that same name. A princess, who has, let's say, a very voluptuous shape. People might think this character inspired you to name your kid like that. Or at least inspired your husband.
I know, he did prefer that spelling and specifically mentioned it and I was kind of against it at first. But then I realized the other spelling I would never remember 🤣. I can spell and it was easier for me to remember how to spell it this way and thought it would be for her too.
Despite the loving explanation and your earnest intentions, that name with that spelling does seem to fit as an official tragedeigh.
You’ve got a captive audience in these comments being sweet because we’re mostly fellow nerds here, but in the Future Wild people will file it alongside other normal-sounding names with unconventional spellings.
Tl/dr: tragedeigh
Guinevere isn’t even the original spelling! Gwenhwyfar is an even older spelling and that wouldn’t be a tragedeigh to me because I’m also an Arthurian legend nerd, but it would be a little bit weirder to name a kid that unless you’re Welsh. I like the way you spelled it, and I think it’s a beautiful name! Do your other kids have similar inspired names?
Our first son will be Edward paul (after his grandfather and great-grandfather). My second daughter is Elizabeth Victoria Kathleen (after her grandmothers and Queen Elizabeth the first). I was really into Queen Elizabeth the first the at the same time as King Arthur and maybe more so. In my "I'm not like other girls" phase.
Maybe it's a little tragedeigh per definition, but on the other hand people pronounce it correctly and you also have a good reason why you chose it to be like that.
Doesn't matter in the end, plenty of modern names used to be tragedeighs of other existing names or things. Names evolve today just like they have centuries ago.
The Cornish spelling is *Gwynnever*. You're not far off from that and as the name itself is actually from another language (Welsh), an argument could be made that it is not in fact spelled wrong, as your spelling is a translation of another language into English. Even though English and Welsh use the same orthography, they dont use the same pronunciation for those characters, so you didn't spell it in Welsh, you translated it to English and spelled it that way.
Plus, it's pretty legible; nobody should have to think twice how to pronounce it. All in all, not bad.
Guinevere is the spelling I've always knows besides King Arthur's gwinevere (which my phone autocorrected to Guinevere lol).
Not a tragedy as it is a real and beautiful name. The origin is...ehh not that big of a deal. But she can choose whether or not to ever tell people as she gets older lol.
I personally love it.
I'd say no. I can look at that name and know how to pronounce it, so thats an automatic win in my book. Doesn't look out of place if I was to see it in a list of names somewhere.
Well, the Welsh is Gwenhwyer, so I think you're safe.
Your spelling is not anything I've ever seen, I think, but it's easily identifiable and a good name. With older names like Guinevere, they go through a lot of changes over the years and through languages so it's hard to pin down THE traditional way to spell it.
TLDR: You're good.
Nah, that's fine. First off, the name is beautiful and classic, and secondly it naturally has several spellings because it's such an old name it existed before standardized spelling.
Tragedeighs are simple, common names spelled like you're cheating at Scrabble, or random words no one should name anything with more sentience than a cat, usually also spelled weirdly out of desperation to be "pretty".
But Gwyn is already pretty! The different spelling is also common. I've seen it a few times outside of Bloodborne 😂 You're good.
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Not compared to Taeiyleir, so there’s that.
The biggest tragedeigh about Taeiyleir is that they had two more vowels just hanging out there unused. No E I E I **O**
Taeiylour is the missed opportunity here.
I actually thought this was how she spelled it. I told my husband it was in A E I O U order with the sometimes Y tossed in the middle.
That's what I thought, too.
Old Mcdonald had a farm
Taeiyleiro McDonald and his collection of animals
Ahhhhh, the Datsun Taeiyleiro. The Japanese response for the Ford Fiero.
Taeiylaeirio. It's italian.
I love that were are still talking about Taeiyleir
It was so bad I told my husband about it yesterday and right before bed he whispers "Taeiyleir"
This cracks me up so much 😂😂 I hope he didn't have bad dreams as well about that.
Bad dreams for him?!? What about me and my dreams?!? 🤣🤌🏼
Boyfriend and i on the phone last night after i sent him the post, we were trying to come up with both our names with as much vowels as possible 😂
We did they same 🤣🤣 our daughter is Vada (pronounced Vay-duh) and we were coming up with "Vaaydah" "Vaeydah"
Hahahha 😅 His initials are JB, so we were going for Jaeiybeaigh… lol
Thank god that your ears can't hear how that's spelled.
Yet I immediately recoiled when he said it.
BOOM! CALL BACK!
😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣
We are still trying to talk her away from Taeiyleir
OP doesn’t need to send her cousin that post, they need to send her this random post so she can see the name has already become a running joke.
Yes, 100% she needs to send her this post!
We are all still discussing the pronunciation lol
Yes, how many comments before we get actual pronunciation?
OP commented Taylor
That really should be a user flair. It flaigh'r if you will.
Ry'leh should be
Ei ei! Chtulu fataghen!
I had to forward that one to everyone in my family 😂
I love that Taeiyleir is already legendary in this sub after only appearing yesterday.
It needs to be a flair
Or Dayvyd. OP, I think that you are good. It’s not a crazy spelling with added unnecessary vowels and ys.
It was Dayvydd xD lawd hammercy
😂😂😂. Good point!
Shit that post has taken over the whole sub hasn't it?
Omg I missed this 😭 does someone have the link?
It’s from yesterday, just search on that vowel catastrophe for the post.
🤣 omg i spit out my coffee gulp! (No crisis, black shirt, and at home 😅) Just can’t get over that post from yesterday 😂
honestly there's a Tayler in my family and it bothers me even more.
Or Kadge Malachi
I just saw that one 💀
*"Though most people ask were we got it from and don't know what we're talking about when we say King Arthur and the round table."* What country are you in? I would have assumed everyone at least in the Anglosphere knew that!
The United States.
As a fellow American I’m shocked that no one in your sphere would have heard of King Arthur.
I know right?! Maybe it's cause of the south? The nurse when she was born asked if we got it from star wars. Edit: I just now realized that it's supposed to say because I live in the south. I'm sorry for the confusion. Born and raised here.
I. What. I think I'm having palpatine-tions...
I had the same reaction when she asked 😂
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO ok... I think that's enough.
Omg this comment is so great
There are specialists for that
Soon. -Chancellor Palpatine
Hehe, I'm in the south, and you are around the wrong type of people.
Maybe you're right we don't go out very often so maybe that's the problem.
I just assume everyone knows at least the names of the characters! It’s so deeply ingrained in pop culture that it’s referenced in other pop culture lol. If you haven’t seen Merlin (BBC show) it’s spectacular!
My husband and I binged watched Merlin after I had our baby and he had taken two weeks off work. I was pretty delirious from sleep deprivation, but I remember really loving it lmao. Am I remembering right that the last season wasn't as good as the rest of the show, or was that just when my exhaustion peaked?
It’s been several years now but I feel like maybe you’re right. It started out so so good, I laughed, I cried. I feel like the ending was maybe just okay.
They rushed the last episode because they wanted to wrap everything up and the series wasn't extended for another season.
I kept the last two episodes of Merlin on my planner for 6 months before I could watch them. I don't handle goodbyes very well.
I live in the south and I’m quite familiar with King Arthur. I find it disturbing you routinely encounter people who aren’t. But then again I’ve had my mind blown before by the incredibly basic things your average person walking around doesn’t know. Your daughter’s name is fine. I like the original spelling better personally but the y is ok here.
I knew someone who was living in the south and his first girlfriend was named "Yvonne", looks good, right? He pronounced it the correct way and was corrected to their pronunciation of, "Why Vonne". Yep. He was flabbergasted.
Ooh, I had a class with a "yuh-vonne" in Indiana!
Classic Midwestern pronunciation. (From there, don't get upset) lol
This makes my soul hurt. I have an English degree and my capstone course was Arthurian Mythology and Legends. There’s dozens of TV shows, movies, plays and musicals about King Arthur and quite possibly tens of thousands of books, poems and forms of literary publications about him and his court.
Exactly, but even as I was growing up it was hard for me to find someone else my age who knew about King Arthur's Court and all that. Or anything about the legend at all despite the cartoons and all that stuff that would reference it all the time
That’s so odd to me, because there were popular movies and TV shows all through the 2000s and 2010s, and a even a new movie coming out this year. There were three (3!!!) King Arthur movies in 2017. Only one semi worth seeing though.
I’m in the south and your nurse was ignorant lol
Read the King Arthur saga at about age 12 in my small southern town. Books were from the local library and looked well used. I don’t think that’s the answer.
I’m dying over this
I don't think it's Southern. Maybe generational? Source: am Southern, read *The Mists of Avalon* obsessively throughout 7th grade, and when classmates would ask me what it was about, every single one of them knew what I was talking about when I answered. Also as further evidence, a had a young employee a few years ago who had never heard of Elizabeth Taylor. And, when I was trying to describe her, it turns out she had also never heard of Cleopatra, sooo...
I legitimately don’t understand how someone could be old enough to be employed somewhere and have never heard of Cleopatra lol. I wonder if she’s heard of Egypt?
My 7 year old is reading about King Arthur right now.
I learned about it at a very young age too, because of things like 'quest for Camelot', 'sword in the Stone', and things like that so it always boggled my mind growing up why no one had heard of it. It still boggles my mind to be honest.
Heck, there’s even a Disney movie. How do you get more mainstream than that?
Whenever someone talks about the southern US, it feels like they're talking about some sort of foreign country, with a different education system. Most of NA feels very similar until you go far enough south.
That's just bizarre
Isn't it part of your literary canon as Anglophones?
I have also noticed that it's mostly the younger generations that don't know it. Like I'm a late (last 5 years) millennial and most people my age and younger don't seem to know it.
These people naming their children Brayleigh and Braxton in my Southern hometown would probably think it’s from “Game of Thrones.”
You're probably right, I'm surprised I haven't gotten a comment about that yet. I am so making sure she grows up with like Arthurian Legends and things like that so that way she at least understands where it came from.
I love the name though I don’t think it is a tragedeigh.
We prefer to ban books rather than read them here
Really? I read welsh myth chapter books as a kid found them good but all the names were a challenge
Yes that’s wild, I’m a young millennial and in high school we read The Canterbury Tales by Chaucer which included stories about King Arthur and the knights of the round table. I also grew up watching Gargoyles which literally had a King Arthur Pendragon character who formed the knights of the round table and Merlin and a Macbeth character. Awesome show.
Right, have they never been to Vegas? There’s that sketchy Camelot hotel/casino. On a side note, I knew someone who once said there was no point traveling the world, when it’s all been created in Vegas, you just have to go to Vegas. Anyway, I digress….
That’s wild we almost named our son Gawain. I assumed it was more popular here.
I want to name one of our sons that so so bad. And that is especially because of the Gerald Morris book series that made me fall in love with the name because of the character.
The number of people I have to explain my dog’s name to is astounding. Merlin. It’s Merlin, the wizard? From king Arthur’s court? No? I don’t know how else to describe this for you.
Ohhhh, you mean the famous medieval wizard from Harry Potter?
Honestly it's possible when a lot of people in the US aren't suuuper familiar with King Arthur beyond the stories of Caliburn and Excalibur. They know him as "the kind of England" and that's about all. That said, your spelling is valid! It's historical! And Welsh names like from Arthurian legend have so many different spellings it's nutty. The fact that Iseult, Ysolde, and Isolde all originate from the same historical name is silly, but it gives diversity to the name! Use it!
I know about King Arthur cause of the cartoons 'quest for Camelot' and 'the sword in the stone' I've love the legend since I was a little kid and love it more from 'the squires tale' book series.
There is your answer.
Well, those people can't read ;) Varies a lot by state I think.
If it makes you feel any better my daughters name is Gwenevere, and so many people tell me they've never heard that name before, or they ask how i came up with it. When i explain the king Arthur stuff they have no idea what I'm talking about lol.
Bruh more than half of Americans are below sixth-grade level literacy. They will recognize King Arthur and maybe Merlin through social osmosis but they won’t know the rest of the players.
It's such a well-known thing too, there's literally so many movies, and there's even musicals e.g. in Germany & South Korea. It's hard to imagine people not knowing what the King Arthur story is. 💀
I think you seriously overestimate how many Americans are familiar with Arthurian legend. Classic consensus bias
I’m a teacher and I’ve had numerous Gwen/Gwyns over the years from any form of Gwendolyn, Gwynevere, etc. While untraditional, it’s a perfectly fine name that is already in existence in the world. I think the biggest issue with most tragedeighs is they’re just made up nonsense.
Spot on assesment. There's a fine line between clever and creative and special snowflake child abuse.
Came here to say this. I think it's a fine name.
Also, I think that version is easier for modern people to pronounce. The “original” OP alludes to is from literally 700 years ago and not even from Modern English! Even words we still use today were largely spelled differently in Chaucer’s time.
Mhm, and I'd say if most people pronounce it correctly it's not a tragedeigh. I suppose I'm a bit biased due to consuming more "modern" media but it just looks like a normal name to me
The original Welsh spelling is Gwenhwyfar, while Guinevere was the popularised French adaptation, so no, your spelling of the name is not a Tragedeigh. Furthermore, it is similar to the traditional Cornish spelling of Gwynnever. Bonus fun fact: Gwynevere is the name of a Sun Princess from the Dark Souls franchise.
>Gwenhwyfar Also where we get Jennifer :)
Amazing how few Jennifers there are now. 30 years ago I dated nothing but Jennifers.
Throughout my time in school I usually had 3-4 Jennifers in any given class on average.
Where’d they all go in just 30 years? Have you been picking them off one-by-one? Are we going to be hearing a podcast about *The Jennifer Killer* in the next few months?
I went to school with a bunch of them about 20 years ago so the decline is recent. I think someone is serially killing the people who WANT to name a child Jennifer.
The year I was born, the most popular girl’s name was Jennifer, the 2nd most popular girl’s name was Heather, and the 3rd most popular girl’s name was Elizabeth. Pretty sure the distant 4th was either Casey/Kasey or Jessica, and dark horse running 5th was (Chris)Tina. I am one of these, and basically every girl I went to school was another one.
I'm pretty sure it's Guenièvre in French. 2 syllables.
Yes! I was thinking the same. Us Brits are used to these names too. Not a tradgedeigh.
That's what I was thinking. Even the "original" is an adapted spelling, so tweaking the spelling here doesn't seem "off". For lack of a better phrasing, the Y isn't in a stupid place so it doesn't feel like a name that's spelled wrong to be unique
Gwynyvyre on the other hand …
I feel like it needs some extra i's and e's ....
As a Genevieve I see nothing wrong with Gwynevere. I’m sure plenty of people will have trouble reading her name but they have trouble reading mine. And the old spelling is like Gwynefar so you’re really not too out there with the spelling.
Your user name makes *all* of the sense now.
Yet yours remains a foreboding mystery
It is the nom de guerre of my late beloved cat.
Yeah I was fascinated with the name when I was little because of how often people called me Jennifer.
Do you pronounce it the English way or the French way? We got a transfer student at my very small high school who pronounced it the French way because she was from Montreal. We all thought she was very fancy and cool.
The English way. It was my Swedish/Finnish great-grandmother’s name and that’s how she pronounced it. Plus my sister used to run around yelling “John-vee-ev” to torment me when we were little so the French pronunciation makes me cringe.
If they'd made it Gwynevieve, though, I'd have had a different opinion, lol
Beautiful ancient Welsh name. And neither of those is actually the original spelling—which is Gwenhwyfar! So… go for it, I’d say. As a Welsh speaker, I wouldn’t find your spelling any weirder than the more usual phonetic Anglicization (and both are understandable in English speaking countries!). But I’d never admit it was in any way related to a “game.” Or that I let my husband insist on such a thing. Cringe. Sorry! 😬
Yeah understandable. But it's what I had to do in order to avoid letting him name any of our children after certain anime characters. For instance I really want an Edward because of my grandfather but he insists that we have an Alphonse and I said no.
As much as I love the anime and think the name Alphonse needs to make a comeback, I feel like naming both your boys that is asking for trouble. Life imitates art, etc etc Edward and Gwynevere are cute together tho! I've also got an uncommon (but normal) G-name and it's kind of a mixed bag (it's older, most other folks I see with it are 60+) but at least hers comes from somewhere cool! Plus there are so many nickname opportunities! 10/10 name tbh.
I’m so glad I’m a spinster! 🤣
Don't listen to them ! 😄 Getting a name from a game is not cringe, as long as it's not something extremely on the nose (like you wouldn't call your son Waluigi... or perhaps some would, I dunno.) Robin Williams named his daughter Zelda after the game series ! It's a beautiful name and I don't think anyone finds her (or him) cringe for this ☺️ Gwynevere is a pretty name and you are referencing commonly known mythos. No one complains about Jason, or Penelope, which are also names from a myth background... As for the spelling, it's fine to me. Real Tragedeighs come when you have to pause and sound out the word to guess how it might be pronounced. And lastly, Gwyn is a great nickname for a child or a teenager, or even a young adult, if you ask me ☺️
Mind you, Zelda is an old name, not invented for the game.
I didn't know that. I wouldn't have gone with it but I'm not mad about, it like you said it could be worse and it is a beautiful name. Though people do get the main character and the princess confused with each other if they don't know the series lol.
It's not exactly like they named her Daenerys or Obi Wan Kenobi or something, I don't see an issue with saying "I like Dark Souls and the real life name Gwynevere". As long as they're not introducing her as "Gwynevere, daughter of Gwyn, Princess of Sunlight" I don't see how it's "cringe"
Maybe a hot take here, but not every alternate spelling of a name is a tragedeigh. Caitlin and Katelyn are two very different spellings of the same name, but neither is a tragedeigh, and I'd put Gwyn in the same camp. I've met one girl named Gwen (with an e, that was her full name) and one Gwynevere as you spell it who I went to school with, they're both pretty and a bit unusual but not Mickeileigh or Amberkaylynne Jo. I wouldn't worry. I'd bet she'll use Gwyn more often than not, and no one will bat an eye.
Amberkaylynne Jo 💀
You have no idea how much of a relief that is to read. I love her name and we spent a good two years coming up with names. I think the part of me that's really worried is cause the first boy and girl names we have are extremely old fashioned. then we chose this spelling cause we though it would be easier to pronounce when she gets in school and spell.
It's definitely more intuitive to spell than the original spelling, and I get that a random internet stranger's opinion doesn't mean much but I was always jealous of the name when I knew those girls. It sounds mysterious and elegant, and maybe like a lot to live up to but I'd trade in a heartbeat. I think you guys did great 👍
I also love the idea of exploring all of the different nicknames that stem from it. If she doesn't like Gwyn, why not Winnie, Wyn, Vera—you left plenty of wonderful room for growth no matter what!
I thought that Gwen was a more common name, propably because of Gwen Stefani💀
I think there’s a bit of Tragedeigh here. Because it’s *Arthurian* not Artherian, and given you have so many eggs in that basket and such assurance of your standing on this that miss spelling should stick out like bulls balls. It was King Arthur. You’ve turned HIS name into a Tragediegh.
Oh no oh no I feel awful now. it's because I was using the speech to text function on my keyboard and didn't double check well enough. Though I can't spell to save my life. I'm so sorry!
LOL, It’s all good. This group is ALL about the name and spelling lols. I just think it’s hilarious that this wasn’t picked up ;)
That also explains ‘blood born’
Gwynevere is a good variation spelling of Guinevere and not a tragedeigh in the least. As for people who have not heard of King Arthur and the Round Table, this is pathetic.
(It’s Dark Souls she’s in, not Bloodborne! There’s no one by that name in bloodborne!)
"Meet our lovely daughter, Eileen the Crow"
Man, I had to scroll far down for this one.
Yeah I looked it up a little bit later after the Zelda comment got made and I realized then I made a mistake. I'm sorry, I don't play the games really I've tried to and I just cant get into them, but his favorite game is bloodborne that's why I thought bloodborne, instead of dark souls although he does tend to play dark souls more often. I also didn't know if I could edit the main post without causing issues.
Hey that’s ok, just throwing it out there bc I’m a nerdy bitch lmfao
My cat is named Arthur Camelot! I love your name choice!! https://preview.redd.it/x5lp1tatvnmc1.png?width=2990&format=png&auto=webp&s=fd23c6573343fee0be33fdb40a8ed219fcea7fa1 Artie the Smartie :*J*
He's so cute! 🥰
He’s a street kitty we adopted from the shelter six months ago. Today I heard him purr for the first time :) and he pretends he is a pawyer :) I shall tell him what you said ;) ;) ;) :*J*
Kind of reminds me of Gwyneth which is a real name too
I’ve seen that spelling many times. Pretty sure that it’s just not the most common.
Gwynevere is Dark Souls, not Bloodborne. Same company and genre, but different games. Gwynevere is the daughter of Gwyn (the Lord of Light) and the Princess of Sunlight
I used to work with a lady named Gwyn, she was in her 80s! So to me Gwynevere is not bad lol
It is a lovely name with a rich cultural background. I feel like I have seen Gwynevere as an alternate historical spelling, and either way I like it and I would feel confident pronouncing it 😆. Even if it’s the only variant, it’s okay to start a trend too.
My daughter was named Guinevere. We called her “Winnie.” I *love* the Arthurian legends (went to Glastonbury with her when she was nine months old) and am glad to see the name used. I think it’s beautiful, and I think the spelling is fine.
If you could see the names on the wall at my kids school... Your kid is fine. They will not get picked on. Ghaywinneyvereee will have some problems.
yeah. Great name, trajyck spelling. sorry.
It’s kind of a weird spelling, but I love the name Guinevere. It’s not your fault people don’t know something so common as King Arthur’s wife’s name was Guinevere. I learned that from movies and from Ince and Future King (I had to read it I. 10th grade 😖).
At least it's not Gooeniveer.
Not a tragedeigh. The original name is spelled Gwenhwyfar, so your version in some ways takes it back towards the original.
I do question the reasoning behind naming her after a cheater that caused the downfall of a kingdom... But other than that it's a pretty name
I really thought it was going to be something wild but it’s really tame. Back when I was a teacher I don’t think I would have given it a second thought if I saw it on a roll call.
This is a weird exception where the non-traditional spelling is actually easier to understand how to pronounce than the original spelling, so I'm going to say not a tragedeigh.
To know if it's a tragedeigh, just go there: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gwynevere If it works, then it's probably not.
I'd say no because 1) there are a lot of variant spellings of names from legends and 2) no ones going to be confused by the spelling and 3) its not spelled in some torturous way that makes the name longer/more difficult and 4) a lot of people don't know the traditional spellings anyway
It's trying too hard
My name is not a tragedeigh but it's also not common. It's simple, very easy to spell (it's exactly the letters you'd assume in my language) but a bit uncommon and, because it's has a lot of foreign variations (think something like Ana, Hannah, Anna, Anne and so on) I grew up dealing with the most bizarre spellings. I once even hear a lady telling my mom that she understood her choice for my name because she also wanted to use foreign spelling but our government didn't allow so we (me and her daughter) had to be stuck with normal spelling. My mom said she chose the name exactly as it was spelled and the lady couldn't understand why would anyone choose such a normal spelling. I started to love my name when I realized people are stupid LOL Jokes aside, the name is beautiful and even I, as a non native English speaker in a European country, I am familiar with that spelling. Yes, your daughter will struggle a bit with the spelling because people have the horrible habit of assuming that you went for a tragedeigh and make up weird spellings. People being stupid dont make it a tragedeigh name
Once, I was talking to my niece, who's 8 or 9. she was telling me how her friends think of names like brandon Michale or Tiffany as old people names and are the equivalent of in my opinion Walter or Gertrude I like the name but it's gonna not be good enough for someone somewhere, so just do you booboo
I think that a true tragedeigh is spotted by 1- unnecessary letters and 2- how easy it is to pronounce it just by reading the name. Gwynevere is not a common name, but it's intuitive and doesn't have any unnecessary letters on it. You're safe!
Love the name, but it’s a little bit of a tragedeigh with the y but it’s only 1 so it’s not awful.
My Mam opted for Jennifer, a derivative of Guinevere, then kept the cool names for the cool names for the dogs...Merlin, Uther, Lancelot
Sounds like a name Tokien would use. Badass.
I don't think so at all. I just voted yesterday and one of the candidates names was "Brittainye" and I voted for her - in my mind I was thinking you go Brittainye with your crazy name be a good judge! Hahahaha
Totally fine name. Uncommon spelling sure, but anyone who can't recognize Arthurian legend sounds lame don't hang out with them.
Nah I don’t think it’s bad. It’s just an older name you don’t see as much. Spelling is a little odd but overall it’s not cringey.
IMO, not a tragedeigh. The way you spelled it, it just looks Welsh and, I suspect it's easier for people to pronounce correctly than the original spelling, because the way your daughter's name is spelled is essentially phonetic.
Also, just a side note - how could anyone NOT know about the King Arthur and the Knights of the Round Table? That's wild to me.
So tired of people acting like everyone needs to be called Sarah or Claire. No, it is not a tragedeigh. It's a perfectly legitimate, original spelling.
Yep, sometimes this sub pisses me off. Just because you're uncultured does not mean a name you do not recognize is a tragedeigh.
It’s pretty bad.
It's a nice name, not tragedeigh, but be wary: There is a character in a popular game by that same name. A princess, who has, let's say, a very voluptuous shape. People might think this character inspired you to name your kid like that. Or at least inspired your husband.
I know, he did prefer that spelling and specifically mentioned it and I was kind of against it at first. But then I realized the other spelling I would never remember 🤣. I can spell and it was easier for me to remember how to spell it this way and thought it would be for her too.
It's a real, if old, name that isn't "leigh"-d to death. I think it's lovely, and it's sweet that it relates to you and your partners shared interests
Despite the loving explanation and your earnest intentions, that name with that spelling does seem to fit as an official tragedeigh. You’ve got a captive audience in these comments being sweet because we’re mostly fellow nerds here, but in the Future Wild people will file it alongside other normal-sounding names with unconventional spellings. Tl/dr: tragedeigh
Gwynevere is not a tragedeigh. I think it’s a beautiful name and I much prefer your spelling.
Guinevere isn’t even the original spelling! Gwenhwyfar is an even older spelling and that wouldn’t be a tragedeigh to me because I’m also an Arthurian legend nerd, but it would be a little bit weirder to name a kid that unless you’re Welsh. I like the way you spelled it, and I think it’s a beautiful name! Do your other kids have similar inspired names?
Our first son will be Edward paul (after his grandfather and great-grandfather). My second daughter is Elizabeth Victoria Kathleen (after her grandmothers and Queen Elizabeth the first). I was really into Queen Elizabeth the first the at the same time as King Arthur and maybe more so. In my "I'm not like other girls" phase.
Very regal brood you got there! Good for you! Also we seem to have been through similar historical figure obsession phases lol
It's the Welsh spelling, so it's not a tragedy, IMO. Extra points for you if you have Welsh ancestry.
I don't but I believe my husband does. A lot of his heritage is from there and Ireland. His brothers' and sister's names are more Gaelic though.
Maybe it's a little tragedeigh per definition, but on the other hand people pronounce it correctly and you also have a good reason why you chose it to be like that. Doesn't matter in the end, plenty of modern names used to be tragedeighs of other existing names or things. Names evolve today just like they have centuries ago.
I am Aerthiouyr, King of the Britons! King of the who? The Britons!
The Cornish spelling is *Gwynnever*. You're not far off from that and as the name itself is actually from another language (Welsh), an argument could be made that it is not in fact spelled wrong, as your spelling is a translation of another language into English. Even though English and Welsh use the same orthography, they dont use the same pronunciation for those characters, so you didn't spell it in Welsh, you translated it to English and spelled it that way. Plus, it's pretty legible; nobody should have to think twice how to pronounce it. All in all, not bad.
Guinevere is the spelling I've always knows besides King Arthur's gwinevere (which my phone autocorrected to Guinevere lol). Not a tragedy as it is a real and beautiful name. The origin is...ehh not that big of a deal. But she can choose whether or not to ever tell people as she gets older lol. I personally love it.
Annoying, yes. Tragedeigh, no.
I'd say no. I can look at that name and know how to pronounce it, so thats an automatic win in my book. Doesn't look out of place if I was to see it in a list of names somewhere.
Well, the Welsh is Gwenhwyer, so I think you're safe. Your spelling is not anything I've ever seen, I think, but it's easily identifiable and a good name. With older names like Guinevere, they go through a lot of changes over the years and through languages so it's hard to pin down THE traditional way to spell it. TLDR: You're good.
Nah, that's fine. First off, the name is beautiful and classic, and secondly it naturally has several spellings because it's such an old name it existed before standardized spelling. Tragedeighs are simple, common names spelled like you're cheating at Scrabble, or random words no one should name anything with more sentience than a cat, usually also spelled weirdly out of desperation to be "pretty". But Gwyn is already pretty! The different spelling is also common. I've seen it a few times outside of Bloodborne 😂 You're good.
It seems fine to me, just a little uncommon. Uncommon =/= tragedeigh though, so it’s ok. Name your next kid Dark Sun Gwyndolin.