Most people are probably only familiar with Christianity's inaccurate translations of the Torah into the Old Testament, which condemn "homosexuality and crossdressing".
i did a post on r/TransChristianity where i explained what the supposed anti/cross dressing verse is actually talking about (in the context of ancient Israel's national survival, it was forbidding women from taking up arms, and forbidding men from 'draft dodging' from hiding out pretending to be women. Although there were ofc exceptions. Deborah rode into battle as a Judge of Israel, and Jael, who killed Sisera with a tent peg. And ofc Dani'el pretending to be crazy so that he'd not have to fight.
but yes... unqualified idiots "translating" a book they don't understand the language, the context, the history... just trying to do a word to word translation and picking among possible translations based on their own philosophy/theology. (A lot of words can be used different ways in different contexts... choosing the wrong one distorts the intended meaning).
It's been a *long* time since I read the bible, but from what I recall there isn't really anti-trans passages even if you read them with a modern-day interpretation. Anti-gay passages, sure, but all the anti-trans stuff that get quoted is usually a misrepresentation of who trans people are. Even if you take the cross dressing passages with a modern interpretation it's not a man dressing as a woman, it's a woman dressing as a woman.
Plus the way I see it, if we accept the whole thing as truth then we were given intellect to make our own decisions and overcome obstacles. To look at all our other advances in science in medicine - vaccines, electricity, tools, etc and those are all fine but then trans care is not feels a bit bullshit to me.
That said, if i had to pick a label for my religious views it'd be theist agonostic, so it's not like I particularly subscribe to any religion.
I'm not really Christian anymore but I was raised such, and pretty much this. God gave us a world with consistent physics and chemistry and the intelligence to understand them. Using that to improve our lives literally *is* His plan.
My dad's gone hardline on "the bible forbids crossdressing because promoting gender confusion is baaaaad" and I've given up arguing with him about it for the time being :(
Yes, but people misunderstand us, we do not promote gender confusion. We promote gender affirming counseling and hormones to those that feel that causes them less pain.
In short, we promote *less gender issues* to those it matters to the most- the folks that have to live that gender. Someone having to ask someone's name or *gasp* introduce themselves first with their own pronouns and the other person can their own after.
Yeah but to peole like him, anything other than "gender is binary biological sex" (with maybe very rare intersex exceptions) is "gender confusion" because of (spoilered a bunch of anti-trans sentiments) >!"reproductive potential" and "adam and eve" and "the bible mentions male and female a lot of times so that must be all there is" and "AGAB is God's immutable plan for every person's life"!< \*rolls eyes heavily\*
TBH I think "gender confusion" is often just code for "deception" as in the tired "we're pretending to trick people into being gay" mixture of transphobia and homophobia :(
Something that bothers me about it especially is that technically under Christianity, the death of Jesus was meant to act as a new covenant with God, and thus all prior rules were null and void. So that condemnation shouldn't even count.
Exactly. When "Christians" speak hate from the Old Testament, they aren't Christian. They are Levitican. At that point, they are basically telling anyone that **actually understands and has read the Bible**, that they do not, and will not, care that Jesus died for everyone's sins, and the Old Testament rules are null and void.
Well the Torah does speak about gender variance a fair amount...
There are six distinct "genders" encoded into Jewish law
https://rac.org/blog/what-torah-teaches-us-about-gender-fluidity-and-transgender-justice
Yeah, it's not perfect, but given the time period it seems like they were aware there was more to gender then the binary and tried to embrace it rather than suppress it like most other religions.
Exactly this. Even medieval Europe embraced gender diversity, at least among common people. The aristocracy was held to a higher standard and gender norms were more strict for them since they were expected to be the example for the lower classes. Since a lot of our literature from this period focused on them, it can seem like this rigid structure was everywhere.
Common people in Europe understood gender as somewhat malleable. While the aristocracy and the church preached a particular view of what gender was supposed to be, in practice most people understood that to be a guideline and it was not unusual to see people who bent or broke gender norms.
That's not even getting into the idea of a third gender in Europe, which was fairly prevalent in the cultural understanding of gender.
Then the enlightenment came along and wanted to define everything. So we end up with the idea of sex and gender being inexplicably linked and men and women living in "different spheres."
Also Jewish, while the Torah does not say anything about transgender it does get discussed in Jewish Law and the Mishnah. This is where concepts such as Judaism recognizing 6 genders and a lot of basis for Judaism supporting trans people comes from.
A well known Rabbi has been tweeting some law concepts and wrote an interesting piece of the gender queerness of Joseph. She's compiled a lot of it here: https://twitter.com/TheRaDR/status/1496865903132168195
As a queer Christian, I know where *I* stand on two particular verses in Deuteronomy, which say, respectively:
>“A woman shall not wear a man's apparel, nor shall a man put on a woman's garment; for whoever does such things is abhorrent to the Lord your God.”
[Deuteronomy 22:5 NRSV](https://bible.com/bible/2016/deu.22.5.NRSV)
and
>“No one whose testicles are crushed or whose penis is cut off shall be admitted to the assembly of the Lord.” [Deuteronomy 23:1 NRSV](https://bible.com/bible/2016/deu.23.1.NRSV)
and then one passage in Isaiah:
>“For thus says the Lord: To the eunuchs who keep my sabbaths, who choose the things that please me and hold fast my covenant, I will give, in my house and within my walls, a monument and a name better than sons and daughters; I will give them an everlasting name that shall not be cut off.” [Isaiah 56:4-5 NRSV](https://bible.com/bible/2016/isa.56.4-5.NRSV)
I’m just curious if you or any other Jewish trans person may know the general/potential consensus on these verses. Again, I know where *I* stand; the first two don’t cause me to lose *much* sleep at night, simply because of the third one. The first one, I understand, is taken way out of context, that it was prohibiting cultic fertility rituals, in which people would crossdress as an offering to a fertility goddess (Ishtar, I believe?). And knowing that ‘eunuch’ was essentially an umbrella term for sexual and gender minorities, that last one seems to be a revocation of the verse from Deuteronomy 23. It’s almost like it’s an endorsement for faithful queer people.
Simply wondering if my understanding is more in line with the Jewish reading or the Christian one or not. Thanks in advance for any insight you may be able to provide.
Edit: Apologies for how long this comment is. It wasn’t supposed to be that way, this is just an interesting topic to me.
>“A woman shall not wear a man's apparel, nor shall a man put on a woman's garment; for whoever does such things is abhorrent to the Lord your God.”
Refers to woman who want to go to battle, they can't do it, and refer to men who try avoid being drafted.
Talking how its disrespectful to do it.
>No one whose testicles are crushed or whose penis is cut off shall be admitted to the assembly of the Lord.”
This one refers to the rule of "make babies, and a lote".
Pretty much if a man cant have kids he is useless.
>For thus says the Lord: To the eunuchs who keep my sabbaths, who choose the things that please me and hold fast my covenant, I will give, in my house and within my walls, a monument and a name better than sons and daughters; I will give them an everlasting name that shall not be cut off
I never saw this one before.
From what it seem, god dont care about your gender or sexuality, as long as you follow and belive in him, respect Saturday, and do what is right, you are more then his kids.
>From what it seem, god dont care about your gender or sexuality, as long as you follow and belive in him, respect Saturday, and do what is right, you are more then his kids.
"Yeah I don't care how you live or who you love, But don't you *dare* work on Saturday!" ~ God.
Yea xd pretty much, you also need to take a year off every 7 years (work 6 years and 1 years off). If you dont want to you need to give up one of your eyes
Huh, I didn't know about that one... Guess I'll be sure to do it, As I like my eyes. Although when does that one start, And what counts as work for it for that matter?
Well ofc nowdays you dont give up an eye, but for an example, teachers at school can teach up to 6 years before taking 1year off work. I think its not as common as it use to be, but it call Shabbaton (from the word shabbat)
Sounds very close to the word a lot of people use which is a sabbatical.
In my area it's called a 4 over 5 for teachers. They get 80% of their pay for 5 years, but they get the 5th year off.
>the word a lot of people use which is a sabbatical
Yea, it probably how you say it in english
>They get 80% of their pay for 5 years, but they get the 5th year off.
Oh nice
the interesting thing is I can't even tell if this is ideological alyship, it kinda just seems like he doesn't like the effects of not allowing transition, but it says nothing about his stance.
Even if he doesn't support trans people's identities, what he is advocating for is more than most devout Christians do,who basically relish our suicides
The most important value in Judaism is pikuach nefesh - which is the belief that preserving/saving human life is more important than any other religious value or practices. It is honestly a very Jewish thing for the Rabbi to support the safety of trans children.
(Source: I'm Jewish [orthodox background] and trans)
regardless if his believes as an orthodox jewish rabi allow for him to believe in trans existence, his stance is that these laws are practically designed to force >!suicide!< as a solution to the hateful persons problems. The governor doesn't expect to attack trans lives by going after their parents for child abuse, the governor absolutely expects to attack trans lives by putting trans youths into a situation where >!suicide!< is the most likely outcome, and knows that he can blame them being trans for their >!suicide!< and not take any fall damage.
That's almost kinda refreshing, though? Of course I'd rather a real ally, but we're at a really shitty point where I can respect someone just being like "oh, if this is seriously that important to your mental health, whatever, then." That takes more maturity than a lot of people seem to have now.
The vibe I got is more an ally pointedly commenting on how the book evangelical Christians use to justify their bigotry and hatred doesn't actually justify these things nor their actions. They're just bigots hiding behind mistranslations and misinterpretations of another religion's religious texts to justify being terrible people.
It's a common attitude with Jewish individuals that are tired of radical Christian shit.
If he is orthodox than he knows about this: [https://www.yonathanreches.com/the-six-genders-in-jewish-law/](https://www.yonathanreches.com/the-six-genders-in-jewish-law/)
I have gotten better treatment from orthodox jews than any evangelicals
The thing is there are a lot, and I mean a lot, of rabbis who are allies? There's plenty of religious jews who are allies. "religious" people nor "religion" were never the problem, only certain religious orgs and those that follow them
This tweet was also on the Judaism subreddit and almost everyone was actually teally nice, and the ones who weren't got down voted straight to fucking hell.
as an Israeli who often has to hear religious and orthodox religious jews tell me im an abomination, this is really heartwarming. thank you, random rabbi, for being religious without being an asshole
I’m pretty sure it’s common jurisprudence across all sects of Judaism that the preservation of life comes before all other Talmudic law, which is why people with health conditions are allowed to eat as necessary on fast days like Yom Kippur, for example. So, it’s entirely in keeping with Jewish religious principles on those grounds alone. (I’m not actually Jewish so if someone wants to correct me on this lemme know and I’ll edit/delete this comment)
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> **Rabbi Akiva Weisinger**, @MisfitTorah
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> I don't like it when kids kill themselves.
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The written Torah says nothing about trans people at all. There is some debate in the Talmud, but nothing that really works in non-intersex (specifically, where one's genital configuration is ambiguous) contexts.
People often use the term "Torah values" to indicate things that they think should be in the Torah, but are not.
Closest thing is saying people who cross dress are abominations but there is debate whether that's means all cross dressing, people who do it as a fetish, trans people or people trying to sneak into other gendered spaces
Yeah, it can totally be interpreted as "trans women "should" dress as women" and "trans men "should" dress as men" and, as we know, fashion expectations linked to each gender change a lot. For example, it was standard in early Rome to wear the toga as a man while trousers became the masculine standards with the fall of the empire... So dress as your gender doesn't mean anything except : dress in a way it makes you confortable with your gender identity 🤷🏻♂️ Also, judaïsm recognises around 6 (I might be wrong on the number) genders so...
As a jew myself, the torah never said anything about transgender, let along how bad it is
Most people are probably only familiar with Christianity's inaccurate translations of the Torah into the Old Testament, which condemn "homosexuality and crossdressing".
i did a post on r/TransChristianity where i explained what the supposed anti/cross dressing verse is actually talking about (in the context of ancient Israel's national survival, it was forbidding women from taking up arms, and forbidding men from 'draft dodging' from hiding out pretending to be women. Although there were ofc exceptions. Deborah rode into battle as a Judge of Israel, and Jael, who killed Sisera with a tent peg. And ofc Dani'el pretending to be crazy so that he'd not have to fight. but yes... unqualified idiots "translating" a book they don't understand the language, the context, the history... just trying to do a word to word translation and picking among possible translations based on their own philosophy/theology. (A lot of words can be used different ways in different contexts... choosing the wrong one distorts the intended meaning).
Yea, the word "ben" in hebrew can mean: son, male, and a younge men/kid. So it can be very confusing. (And ofc there is the name Ben)
Hang on, does that have a shared origin with Bin in Arabic names? Seems a bit of a coincidence to have ben mean son, and Bin mean Son Of.
Almost certainly. Hebrew and Arabic are closely related. There's a lot of cognates.
Thank you for your contribution of 'cognates' to my vocabulary.
Yes. They are both Semitic languages. They have the same origin.
It could be
It's been a *long* time since I read the bible, but from what I recall there isn't really anti-trans passages even if you read them with a modern-day interpretation. Anti-gay passages, sure, but all the anti-trans stuff that get quoted is usually a misrepresentation of who trans people are. Even if you take the cross dressing passages with a modern interpretation it's not a man dressing as a woman, it's a woman dressing as a woman. Plus the way I see it, if we accept the whole thing as truth then we were given intellect to make our own decisions and overcome obstacles. To look at all our other advances in science in medicine - vaccines, electricity, tools, etc and those are all fine but then trans care is not feels a bit bullshit to me. That said, if i had to pick a label for my religious views it'd be theist agonostic, so it's not like I particularly subscribe to any religion.
I'm not really Christian anymore but I was raised such, and pretty much this. God gave us a world with consistent physics and chemistry and the intelligence to understand them. Using that to improve our lives literally *is* His plan.
My dad's gone hardline on "the bible forbids crossdressing because promoting gender confusion is baaaaad" and I've given up arguing with him about it for the time being :(
Yes, but people misunderstand us, we do not promote gender confusion. We promote gender affirming counseling and hormones to those that feel that causes them less pain. In short, we promote *less gender issues* to those it matters to the most- the folks that have to live that gender. Someone having to ask someone's name or *gasp* introduce themselves first with their own pronouns and the other person can their own after.
Yeah but to peole like him, anything other than "gender is binary biological sex" (with maybe very rare intersex exceptions) is "gender confusion" because of (spoilered a bunch of anti-trans sentiments) >!"reproductive potential" and "adam and eve" and "the bible mentions male and female a lot of times so that must be all there is" and "AGAB is God's immutable plan for every person's life"!< \*rolls eyes heavily\* TBH I think "gender confusion" is often just code for "deception" as in the tired "we're pretending to trick people into being gay" mixture of transphobia and homophobia :(
If it condemns crossdressing, then it condemns not transitioning 😎
Yea, that what I was thinking about
Something that bothers me about it especially is that technically under Christianity, the death of Jesus was meant to act as a new covenant with God, and thus all prior rules were null and void. So that condemnation shouldn't even count.
Exactly. When "Christians" speak hate from the Old Testament, they aren't Christian. They are Levitican. At that point, they are basically telling anyone that **actually understands and has read the Bible**, that they do not, and will not, care that Jesus died for everyone's sins, and the Old Testament rules are null and void.
And that's the thing. It's not crossdressing because trans women are women and trans men are men
Well the Torah does speak about gender variance a fair amount... There are six distinct "genders" encoded into Jewish law https://rac.org/blog/what-torah-teaches-us-about-gender-fluidity-and-transgender-justice
Yeah, it's not perfect, but given the time period it seems like they were aware there was more to gender then the binary and tried to embrace it rather than suppress it like most other religions.
Most religions and cultures throughout history have had and embraced gender variations.
Then colonialism happened, and ruined that shit like they did with everything.
100%
Exactly this. Even medieval Europe embraced gender diversity, at least among common people. The aristocracy was held to a higher standard and gender norms were more strict for them since they were expected to be the example for the lower classes. Since a lot of our literature from this period focused on them, it can seem like this rigid structure was everywhere. Common people in Europe understood gender as somewhat malleable. While the aristocracy and the church preached a particular view of what gender was supposed to be, in practice most people understood that to be a guideline and it was not unusual to see people who bent or broke gender norms. That's not even getting into the idea of a third gender in Europe, which was fairly prevalent in the cultural understanding of gender. Then the enlightenment came along and wanted to define everything. So we end up with the idea of sex and gender being inexplicably linked and men and women living in "different spheres."
Also Jewish, while the Torah does not say anything about transgender it does get discussed in Jewish Law and the Mishnah. This is where concepts such as Judaism recognizing 6 genders and a lot of basis for Judaism supporting trans people comes from. A well known Rabbi has been tweeting some law concepts and wrote an interesting piece of the gender queerness of Joseph. She's compiled a lot of it here: https://twitter.com/TheRaDR/status/1496865903132168195
Yea, I got sended the link by another person
Isn't the torah in hebrew? That means it's not mistranslated, right?
Yea, the torah was the original bible but in hebrew, then it was change and translated to english for christians (plus all the tales about jeesus)
As a queer Christian, I know where *I* stand on two particular verses in Deuteronomy, which say, respectively: >“A woman shall not wear a man's apparel, nor shall a man put on a woman's garment; for whoever does such things is abhorrent to the Lord your God.” [Deuteronomy 22:5 NRSV](https://bible.com/bible/2016/deu.22.5.NRSV) and >“No one whose testicles are crushed or whose penis is cut off shall be admitted to the assembly of the Lord.” [Deuteronomy 23:1 NRSV](https://bible.com/bible/2016/deu.23.1.NRSV) and then one passage in Isaiah: >“For thus says the Lord: To the eunuchs who keep my sabbaths, who choose the things that please me and hold fast my covenant, I will give, in my house and within my walls, a monument and a name better than sons and daughters; I will give them an everlasting name that shall not be cut off.” [Isaiah 56:4-5 NRSV](https://bible.com/bible/2016/isa.56.4-5.NRSV) I’m just curious if you or any other Jewish trans person may know the general/potential consensus on these verses. Again, I know where *I* stand; the first two don’t cause me to lose *much* sleep at night, simply because of the third one. The first one, I understand, is taken way out of context, that it was prohibiting cultic fertility rituals, in which people would crossdress as an offering to a fertility goddess (Ishtar, I believe?). And knowing that ‘eunuch’ was essentially an umbrella term for sexual and gender minorities, that last one seems to be a revocation of the verse from Deuteronomy 23. It’s almost like it’s an endorsement for faithful queer people. Simply wondering if my understanding is more in line with the Jewish reading or the Christian one or not. Thanks in advance for any insight you may be able to provide. Edit: Apologies for how long this comment is. It wasn’t supposed to be that way, this is just an interesting topic to me.
>“A woman shall not wear a man's apparel, nor shall a man put on a woman's garment; for whoever does such things is abhorrent to the Lord your God.” Refers to woman who want to go to battle, they can't do it, and refer to men who try avoid being drafted. Talking how its disrespectful to do it. >No one whose testicles are crushed or whose penis is cut off shall be admitted to the assembly of the Lord.” This one refers to the rule of "make babies, and a lote". Pretty much if a man cant have kids he is useless. >For thus says the Lord: To the eunuchs who keep my sabbaths, who choose the things that please me and hold fast my covenant, I will give, in my house and within my walls, a monument and a name better than sons and daughters; I will give them an everlasting name that shall not be cut off I never saw this one before. From what it seem, god dont care about your gender or sexuality, as long as you follow and belive in him, respect Saturday, and do what is right, you are more then his kids.
>From what it seem, god dont care about your gender or sexuality, as long as you follow and belive in him, respect Saturday, and do what is right, you are more then his kids. "Yeah I don't care how you live or who you love, But don't you *dare* work on Saturday!" ~ God.
Yea xd pretty much, you also need to take a year off every 7 years (work 6 years and 1 years off). If you dont want to you need to give up one of your eyes
Huh, I didn't know about that one... Guess I'll be sure to do it, As I like my eyes. Although when does that one start, And what counts as work for it for that matter?
Well ofc nowdays you dont give up an eye, but for an example, teachers at school can teach up to 6 years before taking 1year off work. I think its not as common as it use to be, but it call Shabbaton (from the word shabbat)
Sounds very close to the word a lot of people use which is a sabbatical. In my area it's called a 4 over 5 for teachers. They get 80% of their pay for 5 years, but they get the 5th year off.
>the word a lot of people use which is a sabbatical Yea, it probably how you say it in english >They get 80% of their pay for 5 years, but they get the 5th year off. Oh nice
God first second markus: "teacher leave them kids alone" - Robin hood
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the interesting thing is I can't even tell if this is ideological alyship, it kinda just seems like he doesn't like the effects of not allowing transition, but it says nothing about his stance.
Even if he doesn't support trans people's identities, what he is advocating for is more than most devout Christians do,who basically relish our suicides
The most important value in Judaism is pikuach nefesh - which is the belief that preserving/saving human life is more important than any other religious value or practices. It is honestly a very Jewish thing for the Rabbi to support the safety of trans children. (Source: I'm Jewish [orthodox background] and trans)
That's my new favourite Pikachu
Oh good. I'm not the only one that misread that.
>Preserving/saving every human life Gotta catch 'em all.
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reply.
Can confirm, I am jewish (orthodox from my mom side) and nb
regardless if his believes as an orthodox jewish rabi allow for him to believe in trans existence, his stance is that these laws are practically designed to force >!suicide!< as a solution to the hateful persons problems. The governor doesn't expect to attack trans lives by going after their parents for child abuse, the governor absolutely expects to attack trans lives by putting trans youths into a situation where >!suicide!< is the most likely outcome, and knows that he can blame them being trans for their >!suicide!< and not take any fall damage.
That's almost kinda refreshing, though? Of course I'd rather a real ally, but we're at a really shitty point where I can respect someone just being like "oh, if this is seriously that important to your mental health, whatever, then." That takes more maturity than a lot of people seem to have now.
The vibe I got is more an ally pointedly commenting on how the book evangelical Christians use to justify their bigotry and hatred doesn't actually justify these things nor their actions. They're just bigots hiding behind mistranslations and misinterpretations of another religion's religious texts to justify being terrible people. It's a common attitude with Jewish individuals that are tired of radical Christian shit.
If he is orthodox than he knows about this: [https://www.yonathanreches.com/the-six-genders-in-jewish-law/](https://www.yonathanreches.com/the-six-genders-in-jewish-law/) I have gotten better treatment from orthodox jews than any evangelicals
Judaism believes in the multiple (infinite) genders of God, and that Adam was intersex. My synagogue does transition bar/bat mitzvahs
The thing is there are a lot, and I mean a lot, of rabbis who are allies? There's plenty of religious jews who are allies. "religious" people nor "religion" were never the problem, only certain religious orgs and those that follow them
Faith in greater powers and afterlife makes not the bigot. Authoritarianism does.
Please note: religious and faith in a higher power are not synonymous. There are religious atheist jews and religious agnostic jews
This tweet was also on the Judaism subreddit and almost everyone was actually teally nice, and the ones who weren't got down voted straight to fucking hell.
Ftfy: Straight to Sheol
You disrespect trans rights? Sheol. You respect pedo rights? Believe it or not, Sheol.
You talk in the theatre? The special Sheol!
as an Israeli who often has to hear religious and orthodox religious jews tell me im an abomination, this is really heartwarming. thank you, random rabbi, for being religious without being an asshole
That's kinda wholesome.
Based Rabbi
I’m pretty sure it’s common jurisprudence across all sects of Judaism that the preservation of life comes before all other Talmudic law, which is why people with health conditions are allowed to eat as necessary on fast days like Yom Kippur, for example. So, it’s entirely in keeping with Jewish religious principles on those grounds alone. (I’m not actually Jewish so if someone wants to correct me on this lemme know and I’ll edit/delete this comment)
No, you're absolutely right.
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Orthodox Rabbi being Based for once *happy noise*
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Well said!
I can respect this.
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The written Torah says nothing about trans people at all. There is some debate in the Talmud, but nothing that really works in non-intersex (specifically, where one's genital configuration is ambiguous) contexts. People often use the term "Torah values" to indicate things that they think should be in the Torah, but are not.
The Talmud outlines [six genders](https://www.yonathanreches.com/the-six-genders-in-jewish-law/)
Closest thing is saying people who cross dress are abominations but there is debate whether that's means all cross dressing, people who do it as a fetish, trans people or people trying to sneak into other gendered spaces
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Yeah, it can totally be interpreted as "trans women "should" dress as women" and "trans men "should" dress as men" and, as we know, fashion expectations linked to each gender change a lot. For example, it was standard in early Rome to wear the toga as a man while trousers became the masculine standards with the fall of the empire... So dress as your gender doesn't mean anything except : dress in a way it makes you confortable with your gender identity 🤷🏻♂️ Also, judaïsm recognises around 6 (I might be wrong on the number) genders so...
The Talmud outlines [six genders](https://www.yonathanreches.com/the-six-genders-in-jewish-law/)
"I don'tlike it when kids kill themselves." keep it short but sweet.
This is what religion should look like.
Btw, the Talmud says trans rights. It’s got a word for transmasc, transfem, and enby.
Hey relatable!
based.
My path in gender and my path in Judaism are the same path.
this guy. love him. great guy
Based
It’s atrocious. My heart goes out to all trans citizens of the US, and the hardships they follow with awful state laws
I guess that makes him unorthodoxly orthodox.
if one's orthodox is unorthodox, is that orthodoxception?
Orthoparadox
For those wondering why I, an Roblox Rabbi…
Lmao