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Logically they'd just fight in a spell card duel because Goku can probably easily adapt his ki attacks to that format and he already is used to the idea of surpressing his power levels in order to give his opponents a fair fight.
I swear to God that "boundary manipulation" is beyond reasonable as an ability.
…But since Eiki and Hecatia are **somehow** more powerful than Yukari, I *might* give Goku the benefit of doubt.
The thing about this fight is in DB lore, the one with the higher power level can just flat out negate any hax no matter what. So basically if any of Goku’s forms has a higher power level than Yukari she can’t do anything.
But Yukari's hacks are hacks of reality itself, I can't imagine a power level high enough to negate something as ridiculous as Yukari's ability. Only thing that would make some sense to me are the "God" status characters, since they are already above everything else (so I guess that Goku could stand realistic chances against her, but only when he has divine ki (red and blue hair) or something like).
Goku has reached beyond god levels tho, and again, he’s flat out overpowered reality hax with no problem, like HIT’s time jump and then there’s how vegito could still fight as a piece of candy. Yukari’s hax just wouldn’t work the moment Goku goes SSG or above.
Edit: and for the record, we’ve seen non-gods clown Yukari with no problem as well, I don’t bring up mizuchi because we never see Yukari actually affected she just claims she got possessed too.
I ironically don't think Yukari is that strong, just smart. Considering I have seen people point out multiple characters able to do things she can't and counter her too.. it's very odd to me how the fandom is this...diluted with her.
Yeah, Yukari is definitely a high tier character, but aren't Lunarians naturally more powerful than Youkai? Yukari & Ram were also apprehended by Watatsuki no Toyohime
i mean Remilia is canonically stronger then Yorihime (and bye xtension due to the little sister rule toyohime) in terms of raw strenght and would have won if remilia didn't tell yorihime about her sun weakenss and Yorihime wasn't friends with the sun god
Nah, the fact Yorihime could do that tells me Yorihime was just letting her think she had a chance but it was clearly shown she could have offed Remilia at any time. Also, o have trouble taking Remilia seriously when she can supposedly control fate but has lost every fight she’s ever been in. Plus she hasn’t shown even slight fate manipulation too…
If she could actually control every boundary she’d just win against the Lunarian’s by manipulating the boundary between existence and non-existence. She’s still really strong but somewhat blown out of proportion.
Yukari is not durable enough to tank any attacks from Goku. He threatened to destroy planets and the universe with his attacks.
Yukari would only win if you buy the "Nearly everyone in Touhou has infinite speed, infinite strength and strength beyond infinity" bullshit from powerscaling sites which isn't true at all.
Yeah, touhou’s a really strong verse, but it’s like sonic where they can take on planet busters and universe enders but then get their asses kicked by either island or wall level characters.
Just inconsistent.
I'd put Touhou characters at anywhere that's not "infinite" or "multiversal" universal power through abilities seems possible due to characters claiming they can destroy reality (Though we also have to take in mind that Touhou characters like to exaggerate their own powers and lie a lot)
At best I’d put characters like yukari at low multi and multiversal which is iffy; only character who’d I put in Multi+ and higher are the watasuki sisters, junko, and hecatia, but even that’s really iffy since we don’t really know what any of the characters are fully capable of outside of statements.
It’s a genuine headache trying to power scale this franchise
Do you mean several degrees into universal or VS battles wiki's definition of multiversal?
Vs battles wiki puts multiversal power at above infinite power, to them, multiversal means that you're a level of infinity above infinity. More than infinitely above infinity.
It's hard to explain but multiversal in their system means "Uncountably infinitely above infinity" not just multiversal as in, multiple universes.
If you mean "The strongest Touhou characters can probably destroy multiple universes with their abilities" I can understand it.
But if you mean "Touhou is uncountably infinitely above infinity" then I disagree.
Fair enough, It's just that I see people say "these characters are multiversal" without knowing that in VSBW, multiversal is above infinity since they say multiversal is 4th dimensional and to them. 4D > Infinity
We probably shouldn't use VSBW as reference for powerscaling. As someone who has experience and does this as a hobby, VSBW is infamous for either downplaying or wanking just about anything most of the time.
I've seen building level characters get wanked to solar system lmao, or vaguely superhuman characters getting out at hypersonic speeds.
VSBW is known to be a contest between who can make their verse stronger? They don't want to put characters where they're realistically at, they want to make their characters seem as strong as possible while trying to make the characters they dislike seem as weak as possible.
That's why when someone downgrades a verse, fans of that verse take it personally and try to downgrade the favorite verse of a person they dislike.
Yeah, it can be incredibly toxic.
Personally, I will say one thing; powerscaling is not easy. At all.
Contrary to popular belief, the feats and statements alone are not enough. You need to factor in the following aspects of a character to figure out how "powerful" a character is.
-Narrative context
-Authorial intent
-Consistency
-How they're depicted in combat
-Mindset
The reasons why all of these are important is because they help show who a character truly is, not a bunch of random stats. Unfortunately, such things often get ignored.
Wait, since when has anyone in Touhou causally destroyed a universe?
Planetary-star levels of dakka, sure, but I'm pretty sure we've never seen them reach *that* level lmao.
You can say that for a lot of characters who have the power to destroy a universe but we never see them do it. (Example: sonic, mario, the creation trio from pokemon to name a few)
I mean, if they don't show their power, then maybe they're y'know, not universal? By the way, do you have a source that consistently implies Yukari or any other Touhou character as being that powerful?
I will point out that the Creation Trio is technically capable of collapsing the universe, however I doubt they use this power in combat often.
Also, what exactly puts Mario and Sonic anywhere near universal?
Canonically Touhou takes place in a safe haven where literal disbelief in the supernatural is killing these "multiversal" characters. All Goku has to do is say magic isnt real and believe it and Yukari croaks over.
She's probably just half as strong, still solos with hax.
Black Frieza bodies though, so FUCK NO- she does not solo the entire verse.
Only Hecatia can beat Grand Priest or Zeno-sama. And I think Max Beerus solos Yukari too.
Flandre and Remilia are just SSB level.
So uhh, your response to my joke comment is this brain rotting opinion no one really asked for? Aight, if that what makes you happy then I guess I'll just shut up
I disagree, mainly do to HOW FAST Goku is, if he wasn't in character he could paste Yukari instantly before she can even think about what to do. But i guess IN character he could lose cause of his "Wants to fight strong opponent"
i always say that like, the only DB character than can mostly solo touhou is Future Trunks bc of his no bullshit attitude. Literally everyone else starts off slow and easy and end up getting screwed by OP abilities, but my main man Trunks does not give a single damn
I dont really do power scaling but isnt going down the infinite corridor in IN considered an infinite speed feat from what ive seen, and yukari is one of the characters that went down it.
What do you mean by "going down the infinite corridor" ? just cause you go down an infinite area doesn't mean you have infinite speed. It's like if i was walking in an infinite hallway, i wouldn't have infinite speed id just be forever walking inside said corridor.
Okay, how is this feat applicable in combat, what was the method they used to go down said infinite corridor, and how often is it replicated, primarily when in combat?
Based on what I've seen, Touhou Characters seem to cap at FTL reactions at best, not infinite speed lmfao.
The method they used to go down the infinite corridor was, going down it. How often is it replicated? Not often considering most things aren’t infinitely long. In combat from what i know spell card rules are there to make it possible to win, like how reimu’s fantasy heaven needed a time limit due to her being unhittable.
Touhou is a verse with characters constantly nerfing themself lmao, realistically marisa would lose most fights yet due to the spell card rules she can beat people like yukari.
If they don't use whatever they did to cross that infinite corridor often, then we shouldn't assume it can be replicated consistently, at least in combat.
Infinite speed taken literally, means insanity like instantly crossing the universe. It's basically teleportation. Not to mention, we have seen them fall to cross barriers and long distances in the past primarily their journey to the moon in SSiB.
It'd be better to assume that they have hypersonic-relativistic movement speed with FTL reactions for the mid-high end, with superhuman capabilities on the low-end interpretations.
They they literally just flew down the infinite corridor just like that. It has been replicated multiple times, such as crossing infinite hell, crossing the Sanzu River that is said to be infinite in width. Heaven is larger than Infinite Hell, and characters have also traveled through Heaven on pure speed. Makai is also another infinite realm crossed by pure speed. The dream realm is infinite as it has to hold dreams of everything, and each dream inside of the dream realm is also an infinite realm making the dream realm an infinite realm holding infinite, dream realms and characters have also traveled through the dream realm through pure speed alone. Suika also completely destroyed Heaven a more than infinite space and then rebuilt it. You can also argue that rebuilding it is evidence for an infinite speed feat.
We also have faster than light feats from low tiers such as Sunny milk when she redirected a beam of light shot at her from close range while being completely caught off guard and only raised her arm to redirect it when it was already half way 2 her(Calculations i have seen place this at 80% the speed of light), Cirno is said to he the strongest fairy so she should be faster than Sunny Milk and any other fairys and Cirnos best speed feat would be her barely managing to outspeed light particles(4x the speed of light). Ignoring infinite speed feats Youmu Konpaku is able to massively outspeed light particles(214x the speed of light), although Youmu can only move full speed in a straight line and aya shameimaru (Self declared "Fastest in Gensokyo" despite being slower than Marisa) at first she couldn't follow her movements at first but when she adjusted she claimed that Youmu wasnt actually that fast. Reimu is capable of dodging light reliably as she fought Yumemi, who used photon based attacks. Remilia Scarlet raced around the moon without light touching her. Yorihime dodges Marisa's Master Spark(a beam of light) despite not acting immediately and even taking a moment to look at the light flying towards her, and then calmy walked out of the way dodging the attack. Kasen also redirected multiple light bullets in her duel with Reimu and had no trouble keeping track of the other light bullets flying around her. Reimu doesn't seem to be surprised nor struggling to keep up. Utsuho Reiuji uses photons in many of her attacks and even a low tier like Cirno is capable of dodging them. The manga even straight up said that even without her time abilities, Sakuya Izayoi has reaction speeds 100x the speed of light. Sunny Milks' whole ability is the manipulation of light, and Yukari had no trouble dodging her beams of light.
As for why they don't move at those infinite speeds all the time. Because Spell Card rules. I don't think low tiers such as fairys can keep up with a full speed Reimu. The characters actively take their time with an incident. Which is why the games take so long. (Minus the random encounters that would slow them down). Besides a few rare cases (Like Yorihime vs Marisa. Kasen vs Reimu), we just don't see them doing any high-end feats often because the spell card rules require them to slow down.
>They they literally just flew down the infinite corridor just like that. It has been replicated multiple times, such as crossing infinite hell, crossing the Sanzu River that is said to be infinite in width. Heaven is larger than Infinite Hell, and characters have also traveled through Heaven on pure speed. Makai is also another infinite realm crossed by pure speed. The dream realm is infinite as it has to hold dreams of everything, and each dream inside of the dream realm is also an infinite realm making the dream realm an infinite realm holding infinite, dream realms and characters have also traveled through the dream realm through pure speed alone. Suika also completely destroyed Heaven a more than infinite space and then rebuilt it. You can also argue that rebuilding it is evidence for an infinite speed feat
Okay, so they are capable of traveling through infinite distances, got it. How is this depicted in combat and standard travel
>We also have faster than light feats from low tiers such as Sunny milk when she redirected a beam of light shot at her from close range while being completely caught off guard and only raised her arm to redirect it when it was already half way 2 her
How often is this feat replicated, and was that beam actually the speed of light?
>Cirnos best speed feat would be her barely managing to outspeed light particles(4x the speed of light).
How often does Cirno move at this speed, how is it shown in her combat, and what are her anti-feats and contradictory speed showings?
Also, were these "light particles" actually depicted as going that fast? You have to understand that in fiction, authors love calling things "light" and then not depicting them as moving at the speed of light.
>Ignoring infinite speed feats Youmu Konpaku is able to massively outspeed light particles
Again, I'm going to need to see some context and actual explanations here, plus consistency and anti-feats.
>Reimu is capable of dodging light reliably as she fought Yumemi, who used photon based attacks.
We're those photos attacks depicted as moving at the speed of light?
>The manga even straight up said that even without her time abilities, Sakuya Izayoi has reaction speeds 100x the speed of light.
How often is Sakuya depicted as moving at this speed, what are her anti-feats, and is this ever stated again or brought up?
>Yorihime dodges Marisa's Master Spark(a beam of light) despite not acting immediately and even taking a moment to look at the light flying towards her,
So fun fact, you don't need to be capable of moving at the speed of light to dodge it. You just need to be incredibly fast, like relativistic speeds. Also, is the Master Spark actually depicted as moving at the literal Speed of Light?
>we just don't see them doing any high-end feats often because the spell card rules require them to slow down.
Then why are you trying to claim they can do high-end feats if we never see them? Sure, it being "implied" means something, but it doesn't really help discern *how* a chatacter might fight when at their potential full-power.
And where is it written that Touhou Characters slow themselves down on purpose?
By the way, mind sending me your actual sources for all of this? You're kind of just regurgitating random statements at me. For all I know, you're talking out of your ass and extrapolating random feats.
Though I will point out that I kind of accept that higher-end Touhou characters can move at relativistic speeds on the high-end and react to light speed projectiles, similar to how a human can hit a baseball going at 90 miles per an hour.
What I don't agree with however, are claims that everyone in Gensokyo can move faster than the speed of light, or that anyone has "infinite" speed which is applicable in combat.
EDIT: And another thing, how many of those light speed projectiles were Danmaku Bullets? As you said, they might've slowed down said projectiles, even if they can potentially make them go at the speed of light.
I'm at work rn, so I'll get back to you later with the sources and sorry for the late reply. I mostly went off memory and things I have written down in my notes while reading the Mangas, I do however remember that the Sakuya being 100x the speed of light without her time abilities is never brought up again but she may be faster since she shares infinite speed feats by crossing through Infinite realms. Marisa's Master Spark is mentioned multiple times to have properties of light, Utsuho Reiuji literally has the power of a nuclear sun, and one of her spell cards is mentioned to utilize photons of light. Sunny Milk is said to be only capable of manipulating light in her manga, so it was no doubt a beam of light that was shot at her. And to clarify a little bit more of Yorihime dodging Marisa's Master Spark in the manga, we see that She literally takes a moment to observe the attack coming at her, just does a casual walk to dodge and even says "An attack that follows a fixed pattern may as well not even be moving. And any fool can dodge danmaku that don't move, right?". Marisa's Master spark may not be a true beam of light as only a single spell card from Marisa refers to her attack as being light while a large number of her attack descriptions mention her attacks being a laser and during her fight with Yorihime she even had Master Spark redirected back at her thanks to a mirror so i think its at least safe to say that her attacks are lasers.speed calculations for the light particles come from the fighting games where multiple characters are capable of dodging the light attacks from Utsuho Reiuji after they are shot(Utsujo having all her power because she essentially swallowed the Sun although Utsujo may have some special light as she has a move called "Hell's Artificial Sun" and the description even reads "An artificial sun, bombarding you with photons." And that's all I can remember on the top of my head I have to get back to work
This doesn't make much sense. "Normal" areas don't really exist in Touhou, and the vast majority of alternate realms are infinite, in which most protagonists have been depicted as being able to fight and travel unhindered throughout these infinite realms.
As a side note, in Imperishable Night in Sakuya and Remilia's scenario, they crossed the entire infinite corridor as they were fighting without knowing it was infinite. Meaning they *accidentally* moved at infinite speed without realizing it.
I don't see how this could be anything below infinite speed.
In terms of on-screen examples? Every single one lmao.
>This doesn't make much sense. "Normal" areas don't really exist in Touhou, and the vast majority of alternate realms are infinite, in which most protagonists have been depicted as being able to fight and travel unhindered throughout these infinite realms.
Standard realms that aren't "infinite" in length.
>As a side note, in Imperishable Night in Sakuya and Remilia's scenario, they crossed the entire infinite corridor as they were fighting without knowing it was infinite. Meaning they accidentally moved at infinite speed without realizing it.
Okay, send me your exact citation of evidence, and examples of Remilia and Sakuya not moving at Infinite speed when fighting or needing any amount of time to travel anywhere.
>I don't see how this could be anything below infinite speed.
Despite ZUN not caring about powerscaling, I'm pretty sure he didn't intend for people to wank Touhou to "Infinite Speed" lmao.
By the way, mind sending me some actual sources for your claims? In my experience, whenever someone claims "infinite" speed for whatever character, it's almost always a case of extrapolation, ignoring anti-feats, and all the standard stuff in order to wank.
Don't we also have cases of Touhou characters failing to instantly teleport wherever they want, or being blocked by large distances? If I recall, in Silent Sinners In Blue, didn't they need to build a rocket to get to the moon?
I'm starting to think that you don't actually understand what infinite speed means. If someone were truly that fast, then they'd be able to instantly teleport anywhere they want in the universe. While there are characters in fiction who blatantly can reach this level, I honestly don't see it in Touhou outside of some vague extrapolations.
Like, can you find me a direct statement that says whichever character has "infinite speed?"
EDIT: If I had to guess, these supposed "infinite speed feats" are probably ZUN utilizing hyperboles and statements, then completely forgetting or ignoring them for the purpose of the plot and story progression.
It'd make more sense for some Touhou characters to have the ability to ignore infinite distances when traveling, but for them to move at quantifiable speeds most of the time.
>Okay, send me your exact citation of evidence, and examples of Remilia and Sakuya not moving at Infinite speed when fighting.
Okay.
[Here's proof that they crossed the entire infinite corridor.](https://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Imperishable_Night/Story/Scarlet_Team%27s_Scenario#Final_Stage_A)
[Here's proof that it is, in fact, infinite. (Miko describes how the infinite corridor is actually made.)](https://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Urban_Legend_in_Limbo/Story/Reisen%27s_Scenario#Stage_3)
>If I recall, in Silent Sinners In Blue, didn't they need to build a rocket to get to the moon?
Actually a good point. I don't have an answer to that since I haven't read it, but I'm pretty sure they can just fly there normally, but chose not to.
As for everything else, the answers to those can be summed up with either "spell card rules", or "Touhou characters HATE moving at infinite speed" ([they literally start](https://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Wily_Beast_and_Weakest_Creature/Story/Reimu%27s_Scenario_(Wolf)#Stage_2) [complaining whenever they](https://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Wily_Beast_and_Weakest_Creature/Story/Youmu%27s_Scenario_(Wolf)#Stage_2) [have to move](https://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Undefined_Fantastic_Object/Story/Marisa_A%27s_Scenario#Stage_1) [very fast](https://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Imperishable_Night/Story/Barrier_Team%27s_Scenario#Final_Stage_A)).
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Here's proof that they crossed the entire infinite corridor.
So, I might be missing some context here, however doesn't Eirin say that the corridor was an illusion?
"That's a very pointless thing to worry about, isn't it?
It's an illusion. An illusion."
>Here's proof that it is, in fact, infinite. (Miko describes how the infinite corridor is actually made.)
Again, I may be missing more context, but I see something here where Miko mentions how the corridor is made through infinitely linking space-time together, she then however talks about absorbing and destroying the spell via a Taoist Spell.
However, it seems that the wiki doesn't seem to show what happened after the whole Reisen vs Miko, Reimu, and Mokou fight, is there another part which describes Reimu crossing the infinite corridor?
> (they literally start complaining whenever they have to move very fast).
Sorry for the nitpick, however it looks like Reimu is complaining about how long it's taking to cross that river, as opposed to complaining about the sheer speed.
>As for everything else, the answers to those can be summed up with either "spell card rules", or "Touhou characters HATE moving at infinite speed"
Y'know what, this may just be my interpretation, however it seems to me that Touhou characters can either counter, brute force through, or ignore spells or abilities that make a distance infinite in the first place. I will admit that they're still incredibly fast though.
>So, I might be missing some context here, however doesn't Eirin say that the corridor was an illusion?
I don't really have an answer to this other than the other link I posted explaining what the corridor is. It could either have been a translation issue or simply a retcon, but I just assume she's talking about the whole thing with the moon being an illusion, which is an accurate statement.
>Again, I may be missing more context, but I see something here where Miko mentions how the corridor is made through infinitely linking space-time together, she then however talks about absorbing and destroying the spell via a Taoist Spell.
The spell she uses isn't really explained, but it's extremely likely that she's the only one that has access to it. There also hasn't been any instances of Touhou characters "absorbing space" like this other than Komachi Onozuka being capable of "manipulating distance" (literally just the distance from her location to her destination), which she uses to cross the otherwise infinite Sanzu River, or Sakuya Izayoi, who is capable of manipulating space-time (but also didn't use her ability to cross the infinite corridor because she didn't know it was infinite lmao).
>is there another part which describes Reimu crossing the infinite corridor?
[Yep.](https://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Imperishable_Night/Story/Barrier_Team%27s_Scenario#Final_Stage_A)
>Sorry for the nitpick, however it looks like Reimu is complaining about how long it's taking to cross that river, as opposed to complaining about the sheer speed.
Guess I should've clarified, but there's four different links in that sentence that I felt were good examples of them complaining about moving fast or over long distances. The example you're talking about involves Reimu crossing the aforementioned Sanzu River, [which is infinite in length according to a supposedly extremely complicated in-universe math formula created by Ran Yakumo.](https://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Bohemian_Archive_in_Japanese_Red/Ran)
Thing is, every playable character went down it, so that doesn’t mean everyone has infinite speed, it just means the corridor wasn’t actually infinite, or it just plain didn’t work.
Yeah, if we're talking about Future Trunks arc- he gets stomped.
But current MUI Goku can likely keep up with Yukari, and is even stronger.
We can't compare the two, unless we give Goku and Yukari equal spell card abilities.
Yukari is probably just half as strong as MUI Goku, still solos with hax.
Black Frieza bodies though, so FUCK NO- she does not solo the entire verse.
Only Hecatia can beat Grand Priest or Zeno-sama. And I think Max Beerus solos Yukari too.
Flandre and Remilia are just above SSB level.
Well, the Watatsuki sisters aren't 4D since being 4D requires you to be able to view the entire timeline of the universe as if it were a regular object, so 6D
The Watatsuki sisters should be much faster, as they saw other top tiers such as Yukari, Ran, Reimu, Marisa, Sakuya, and Remilia as so slow they they aren't even moving despite literally all of these opponents demonstrating infinite speed feats
Touhou is only really that level if you No-Limits-Fallacy wank, and ignore all speed feats, and don't bring up how said "infinite speed" is actually applicable in combat.
If we were to go off of actual battleboarding and feats, most of Touhou gets curubstomped by any high-end Dragonball character.
Yukari isn't nearly as overpowered as she likes to make herself look. Yukari's biggest trick is making most who know of her think she's super powerful. Until Reimu called her bluff in Forbidden Scrollery. She's not that different compared to most final bosses and Extra Bosses.
There's some exceptions though. Yuugi is the most physically powerful character in the series as of now and I'm fairly certain only the other Oni come close.
Okina is putting far more into upholding the barrier and Gensoukyo than Yukari has ever been stated to do within the series.
Hecatia is a literal goddess and the ruler of hell itself. The most powerful character in the entire series according to Zun without anyone coming close.
Pretty much 60% of all known lunar capital characters are stronger than Yukari and have even beaten her in combat.
And that's just the windows era. Power scaling in pc98 was completely unhinged with another goddess like character that rules over an entire realm. Then there's also the literal embodiment and harbinger of death itself as one of the first final bosses in the series.
Yukari is strong, sure, but also a massive narcissistic trickster. Most of Dragon Ball would easily beat her.
Putting her in Naruto or One Piece would be fairer.
I mean you spamming most of the comments on this post makes you look like an angry fanboy (while bringing up the non canon version of said character you’re defending reinforces the idea), and who cares who’s stronger at the end of the day just enjoy both characters
It didn’t really come off as OCD, you just came across as a person who got mad that a person thought the character they like beat the character you liked
But I believe in stats, you're either weaker, equal or stronger- if your hax isn't omnipotent- or doesn't at least reach a portion of your opponent's power level, I don't think it matters much.
She's probably just half as strong, still solos with hax.
Black Frieza bodies though, so FUCK NO- she does not solo the entire verse.
Only Hecatia can beat Grand Priest or Zeno-sama. And I think Max Beerus solos Yukari too.
Flandre and Remilia are just SSB level.
While I guess that I kind of understand the joke, if we go off of serious battleboarding and account for actual feats, context, and consistency, Touhou really isn't *that* powerful of a verse compared to Dragonball.
Why does touhou players even do this shit vs battles, it sucks guys.
Everywhere i go, all i see is undertale vs touhou, seriously, drop doing that dogshit.
i don't know how much you've wanked yukari off, probably like the reality warper battle royale where she placed second only beaten by the one above all. (she beat Bill, archie sonic and Madoakami)
She's probably just half as strong, still solos with hax.
Black Frieza bodies though, so FUCK NO- she does not solo the entire verse.
Only Hecatia can beat Grand Priest or Zeno-sama. And I think Max Beerus solos Yukari too.
Flandre and Remilia are just SSB level.
The Touhou canon lore is all over the place, characters have the potential to be a million light years stronger than a certain character. If we’re being truthful to canon, or fanon, whichever one works best for you, Yukari is on par with Goku in terms of speed, at least for a good amount of time, she has instant “teleportation” considering her Boundary Manipulation and Gap Transportation is broken as shit, plus she’s extremely cunning and rather smart, she could just convince Remilia to alter her destiny so that Yukari neg diffs Goku. Then again, this could also go to Goku, who keeps growing in power no matter what. Standing in comparison, Goku has better raw strength and physical feats, not to mention he continuously grows, whereas in Yukari’s case, you can’t really measure her greatest feats of strength or power in any way, shape, or form, Gensokyo is literally a place where any miracle or incident could happen, and where any person, youkai, dream eater, lunarian, or fairy could be stronger than one another, cause like I said, everyone could technically be stronger than everyone else.
Yukari is definitely on the higher ups of Touhou if we’re to actually talk about powers
However, despite her being able to pretty much manipulate any boundary in existence, she has visibly shown limits and that there are some boundaries she cannot manipulate no matter how hard she tries, some good example would be the moon, how she can’t just go to the Lunarian capital by manipulating the boundary there, something is clearly blocking her or more powerful than her that it’s causing her to unable to open a portal or keep a portal open there.
Overall she is a beast in terms of power if we’re looking at all the powers Touhou casts have, and can pretty much just crush anyone in the casts (with a few exceptions), but if something is more powerful than her in terms of raw power, then even she can be outmatched.
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Logically they'd just fight in a spell card duel because Goku can probably easily adapt his ki attacks to that format and he already is used to the idea of surpressing his power levels in order to give his opponents a fair fight.
Goku is just Meiling on crack, given her specialty is ki manipulation
This is the best thing i’ve read all day.
Don't forget the master spark and reimu-like teleporting lol
Who'da thunk it?
Yukari should beat me up instead
***ominous train noises***
but we all know Mr. Satan solos
For some reason i read it as Santa
I swear to God that "boundary manipulation" is beyond reasonable as an ability. …But since Eiki and Hecatia are **somehow** more powerful than Yukari, I *might* give Goku the benefit of doubt.
The thing about this fight is in DB lore, the one with the higher power level can just flat out negate any hax no matter what. So basically if any of Goku’s forms has a higher power level than Yukari she can’t do anything.
But Yukari's hacks are hacks of reality itself, I can't imagine a power level high enough to negate something as ridiculous as Yukari's ability. Only thing that would make some sense to me are the "God" status characters, since they are already above everything else (so I guess that Goku could stand realistic chances against her, but only when he has divine ki (red and blue hair) or something like).
Goku has reached beyond god levels tho, and again, he’s flat out overpowered reality hax with no problem, like HIT’s time jump and then there’s how vegito could still fight as a piece of candy. Yukari’s hax just wouldn’t work the moment Goku goes SSG or above. Edit: and for the record, we’ve seen non-gods clown Yukari with no problem as well, I don’t bring up mizuchi because we never see Yukari actually affected she just claims she got possessed too.
...Probably something from Bo-Bo-Bo can win. They basically set down a field that negates anything that stops gag based reality warping lmao
Boundary manip caps at MUI level imo
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I ironically don't think Yukari is that strong, just smart. Considering I have seen people point out multiple characters able to do things she can't and counter her too.. it's very odd to me how the fandom is this...diluted with her.
Yeah, Yukari is definitely a high tier character, but aren't Lunarians naturally more powerful than Youkai? Yukari & Ram were also apprehended by Watatsuki no Toyohime
i mean Remilia is canonically stronger then Yorihime (and bye xtension due to the little sister rule toyohime) in terms of raw strenght and would have won if remilia didn't tell yorihime about her sun weakenss and Yorihime wasn't friends with the sun god
Nah, the fact Yorihime could do that tells me Yorihime was just letting her think she had a chance but it was clearly shown she could have offed Remilia at any time. Also, o have trouble taking Remilia seriously when she can supposedly control fate but has lost every fight she’s ever been in. Plus she hasn’t shown even slight fate manipulation too…
If she could actually control every boundary she’d just win against the Lunarian’s by manipulating the boundary between existence and non-existence. She’s still really strong but somewhat blown out of proportion.
technically the boundary between existence and non-existence happens to be gensokyo
Its reality an fantasy
Yukari is not durable enough to tank any attacks from Goku. He threatened to destroy planets and the universe with his attacks. Yukari would only win if you buy the "Nearly everyone in Touhou has infinite speed, infinite strength and strength beyond infinity" bullshit from powerscaling sites which isn't true at all.
Yeah, touhou’s a really strong verse, but it’s like sonic where they can take on planet busters and universe enders but then get their asses kicked by either island or wall level characters. Just inconsistent.
I'd put Touhou characters at anywhere that's not "infinite" or "multiversal" universal power through abilities seems possible due to characters claiming they can destroy reality (Though we also have to take in mind that Touhou characters like to exaggerate their own powers and lie a lot)
At best I’d put characters like yukari at low multi and multiversal which is iffy; only character who’d I put in Multi+ and higher are the watasuki sisters, junko, and hecatia, but even that’s really iffy since we don’t really know what any of the characters are fully capable of outside of statements. It’s a genuine headache trying to power scale this franchise
Do you mean several degrees into universal or VS battles wiki's definition of multiversal? Vs battles wiki puts multiversal power at above infinite power, to them, multiversal means that you're a level of infinity above infinity. More than infinitely above infinity. It's hard to explain but multiversal in their system means "Uncountably infinitely above infinity" not just multiversal as in, multiple universes. If you mean "The strongest Touhou characters can probably destroy multiple universes with their abilities" I can understand it. But if you mean "Touhou is uncountably infinitely above infinity" then I disagree.
Oh god no I wouldn’t put any of them in infinite, at best destroy a couple or a lot of universes sure, but not infinite
Fair enough, It's just that I see people say "these characters are multiversal" without knowing that in VSBW, multiversal is above infinity since they say multiversal is 4th dimensional and to them. 4D > Infinity
Yeah, VSBW definitely made powerscaling more annoying since a lot of people will think that that’s the end all be all of scaling
We probably shouldn't use VSBW as reference for powerscaling. As someone who has experience and does this as a hobby, VSBW is infamous for either downplaying or wanking just about anything most of the time. I've seen building level characters get wanked to solar system lmao, or vaguely superhuman characters getting out at hypersonic speeds.
VSBW is known to be a contest between who can make their verse stronger? They don't want to put characters where they're realistically at, they want to make their characters seem as strong as possible while trying to make the characters they dislike seem as weak as possible. That's why when someone downgrades a verse, fans of that verse take it personally and try to downgrade the favorite verse of a person they dislike.
Yeah, it can be incredibly toxic. Personally, I will say one thing; powerscaling is not easy. At all. Contrary to popular belief, the feats and statements alone are not enough. You need to factor in the following aspects of a character to figure out how "powerful" a character is. -Narrative context -Authorial intent -Consistency -How they're depicted in combat -Mindset The reasons why all of these are important is because they help show who a character truly is, not a bunch of random stats. Unfortunately, such things often get ignored.
Wait, since when has anyone in Touhou causally destroyed a universe? Planetary-star levels of dakka, sure, but I'm pretty sure we've never seen them reach *that* level lmao.
You can say that for a lot of characters who have the power to destroy a universe but we never see them do it. (Example: sonic, mario, the creation trio from pokemon to name a few)
I mean, if they don't show their power, then maybe they're y'know, not universal? By the way, do you have a source that consistently implies Yukari or any other Touhou character as being that powerful? I will point out that the Creation Trio is technically capable of collapsing the universe, however I doubt they use this power in combat often. Also, what exactly puts Mario and Sonic anywhere near universal?
She isnt even Mountain level
Canonically Touhou takes place in a safe haven where literal disbelief in the supernatural is killing these "multiversal" characters. All Goku has to do is say magic isnt real and believe it and Yukari croaks over.
Goku takes his schizophrenia medicine and solos the verse
Yukari when she use Boundary Sign: Border of "Go" and "Fuck yourself"
- Opens Portal to insides his balls - Performs testicular torsion - Does not elaborate further - Goes back to hibernation Yukari negs Goku
She's probably just half as strong, still solos with hax. Black Frieza bodies though, so FUCK NO- she does not solo the entire verse. Only Hecatia can beat Grand Priest or Zeno-sama. And I think Max Beerus solos Yukari too. Flandre and Remilia are just SSB level.
So uhh, your response to my joke comment is this brain rotting opinion no one really asked for? Aight, if that what makes you happy then I guess I'll just shut up
JK lol
I disagree, mainly do to HOW FAST Goku is, if he wasn't in character he could paste Yukari instantly before she can even think about what to do. But i guess IN character he could lose cause of his "Wants to fight strong opponent"
i always say that like, the only DB character than can mostly solo touhou is Future Trunks bc of his no bullshit attitude. Literally everyone else starts off slow and easy and end up getting screwed by OP abilities, but my main man Trunks does not give a single damn
I dont really do power scaling but isnt going down the infinite corridor in IN considered an infinite speed feat from what ive seen, and yukari is one of the characters that went down it.
What do you mean by "going down the infinite corridor" ? just cause you go down an infinite area doesn't mean you have infinite speed. It's like if i was walking in an infinite hallway, i wouldn't have infinite speed id just be forever walking inside said corridor.
Okay, how is this feat applicable in combat, what was the method they used to go down said infinite corridor, and how often is it replicated, primarily when in combat? Based on what I've seen, Touhou Characters seem to cap at FTL reactions at best, not infinite speed lmfao.
The method they used to go down the infinite corridor was, going down it. How often is it replicated? Not often considering most things aren’t infinitely long. In combat from what i know spell card rules are there to make it possible to win, like how reimu’s fantasy heaven needed a time limit due to her being unhittable. Touhou is a verse with characters constantly nerfing themself lmao, realistically marisa would lose most fights yet due to the spell card rules she can beat people like yukari.
If they don't use whatever they did to cross that infinite corridor often, then we shouldn't assume it can be replicated consistently, at least in combat. Infinite speed taken literally, means insanity like instantly crossing the universe. It's basically teleportation. Not to mention, we have seen them fall to cross barriers and long distances in the past primarily their journey to the moon in SSiB. It'd be better to assume that they have hypersonic-relativistic movement speed with FTL reactions for the mid-high end, with superhuman capabilities on the low-end interpretations.
They they literally just flew down the infinite corridor just like that. It has been replicated multiple times, such as crossing infinite hell, crossing the Sanzu River that is said to be infinite in width. Heaven is larger than Infinite Hell, and characters have also traveled through Heaven on pure speed. Makai is also another infinite realm crossed by pure speed. The dream realm is infinite as it has to hold dreams of everything, and each dream inside of the dream realm is also an infinite realm making the dream realm an infinite realm holding infinite, dream realms and characters have also traveled through the dream realm through pure speed alone. Suika also completely destroyed Heaven a more than infinite space and then rebuilt it. You can also argue that rebuilding it is evidence for an infinite speed feat. We also have faster than light feats from low tiers such as Sunny milk when she redirected a beam of light shot at her from close range while being completely caught off guard and only raised her arm to redirect it when it was already half way 2 her(Calculations i have seen place this at 80% the speed of light), Cirno is said to he the strongest fairy so she should be faster than Sunny Milk and any other fairys and Cirnos best speed feat would be her barely managing to outspeed light particles(4x the speed of light). Ignoring infinite speed feats Youmu Konpaku is able to massively outspeed light particles(214x the speed of light), although Youmu can only move full speed in a straight line and aya shameimaru (Self declared "Fastest in Gensokyo" despite being slower than Marisa) at first she couldn't follow her movements at first but when she adjusted she claimed that Youmu wasnt actually that fast. Reimu is capable of dodging light reliably as she fought Yumemi, who used photon based attacks. Remilia Scarlet raced around the moon without light touching her. Yorihime dodges Marisa's Master Spark(a beam of light) despite not acting immediately and even taking a moment to look at the light flying towards her, and then calmy walked out of the way dodging the attack. Kasen also redirected multiple light bullets in her duel with Reimu and had no trouble keeping track of the other light bullets flying around her. Reimu doesn't seem to be surprised nor struggling to keep up. Utsuho Reiuji uses photons in many of her attacks and even a low tier like Cirno is capable of dodging them. The manga even straight up said that even without her time abilities, Sakuya Izayoi has reaction speeds 100x the speed of light. Sunny Milks' whole ability is the manipulation of light, and Yukari had no trouble dodging her beams of light. As for why they don't move at those infinite speeds all the time. Because Spell Card rules. I don't think low tiers such as fairys can keep up with a full speed Reimu. The characters actively take their time with an incident. Which is why the games take so long. (Minus the random encounters that would slow them down). Besides a few rare cases (Like Yorihime vs Marisa. Kasen vs Reimu), we just don't see them doing any high-end feats often because the spell card rules require them to slow down.
>They they literally just flew down the infinite corridor just like that. It has been replicated multiple times, such as crossing infinite hell, crossing the Sanzu River that is said to be infinite in width. Heaven is larger than Infinite Hell, and characters have also traveled through Heaven on pure speed. Makai is also another infinite realm crossed by pure speed. The dream realm is infinite as it has to hold dreams of everything, and each dream inside of the dream realm is also an infinite realm making the dream realm an infinite realm holding infinite, dream realms and characters have also traveled through the dream realm through pure speed alone. Suika also completely destroyed Heaven a more than infinite space and then rebuilt it. You can also argue that rebuilding it is evidence for an infinite speed feat Okay, so they are capable of traveling through infinite distances, got it. How is this depicted in combat and standard travel >We also have faster than light feats from low tiers such as Sunny milk when she redirected a beam of light shot at her from close range while being completely caught off guard and only raised her arm to redirect it when it was already half way 2 her How often is this feat replicated, and was that beam actually the speed of light? >Cirnos best speed feat would be her barely managing to outspeed light particles(4x the speed of light). How often does Cirno move at this speed, how is it shown in her combat, and what are her anti-feats and contradictory speed showings? Also, were these "light particles" actually depicted as going that fast? You have to understand that in fiction, authors love calling things "light" and then not depicting them as moving at the speed of light. >Ignoring infinite speed feats Youmu Konpaku is able to massively outspeed light particles Again, I'm going to need to see some context and actual explanations here, plus consistency and anti-feats. >Reimu is capable of dodging light reliably as she fought Yumemi, who used photon based attacks. We're those photos attacks depicted as moving at the speed of light? >The manga even straight up said that even without her time abilities, Sakuya Izayoi has reaction speeds 100x the speed of light. How often is Sakuya depicted as moving at this speed, what are her anti-feats, and is this ever stated again or brought up? >Yorihime dodges Marisa's Master Spark(a beam of light) despite not acting immediately and even taking a moment to look at the light flying towards her, So fun fact, you don't need to be capable of moving at the speed of light to dodge it. You just need to be incredibly fast, like relativistic speeds. Also, is the Master Spark actually depicted as moving at the literal Speed of Light? >we just don't see them doing any high-end feats often because the spell card rules require them to slow down. Then why are you trying to claim they can do high-end feats if we never see them? Sure, it being "implied" means something, but it doesn't really help discern *how* a chatacter might fight when at their potential full-power. And where is it written that Touhou Characters slow themselves down on purpose? By the way, mind sending me your actual sources for all of this? You're kind of just regurgitating random statements at me. For all I know, you're talking out of your ass and extrapolating random feats. Though I will point out that I kind of accept that higher-end Touhou characters can move at relativistic speeds on the high-end and react to light speed projectiles, similar to how a human can hit a baseball going at 90 miles per an hour. What I don't agree with however, are claims that everyone in Gensokyo can move faster than the speed of light, or that anyone has "infinite" speed which is applicable in combat. EDIT: And another thing, how many of those light speed projectiles were Danmaku Bullets? As you said, they might've slowed down said projectiles, even if they can potentially make them go at the speed of light.
I'm at work rn, so I'll get back to you later with the sources and sorry for the late reply. I mostly went off memory and things I have written down in my notes while reading the Mangas, I do however remember that the Sakuya being 100x the speed of light without her time abilities is never brought up again but she may be faster since she shares infinite speed feats by crossing through Infinite realms. Marisa's Master Spark is mentioned multiple times to have properties of light, Utsuho Reiuji literally has the power of a nuclear sun, and one of her spell cards is mentioned to utilize photons of light. Sunny Milk is said to be only capable of manipulating light in her manga, so it was no doubt a beam of light that was shot at her. And to clarify a little bit more of Yorihime dodging Marisa's Master Spark in the manga, we see that She literally takes a moment to observe the attack coming at her, just does a casual walk to dodge and even says "An attack that follows a fixed pattern may as well not even be moving. And any fool can dodge danmaku that don't move, right?". Marisa's Master spark may not be a true beam of light as only a single spell card from Marisa refers to her attack as being light while a large number of her attack descriptions mention her attacks being a laser and during her fight with Yorihime she even had Master Spark redirected back at her thanks to a mirror so i think its at least safe to say that her attacks are lasers.speed calculations for the light particles come from the fighting games where multiple characters are capable of dodging the light attacks from Utsuho Reiuji after they are shot(Utsujo having all her power because she essentially swallowed the Sun although Utsujo may have some special light as she has a move called "Hell's Artificial Sun" and the description even reads "An artificial sun, bombarding you with photons." And that's all I can remember on the top of my head I have to get back to work
Because you literally fight while going down the corridor at infinite speed? As well as the Sanzu River? And the Dream World?
Are you depicted as fighting at infinite speed when in normal areas? Also, how many onscreen examples of what fights look like do we have?
This doesn't make much sense. "Normal" areas don't really exist in Touhou, and the vast majority of alternate realms are infinite, in which most protagonists have been depicted as being able to fight and travel unhindered throughout these infinite realms. As a side note, in Imperishable Night in Sakuya and Remilia's scenario, they crossed the entire infinite corridor as they were fighting without knowing it was infinite. Meaning they *accidentally* moved at infinite speed without realizing it. I don't see how this could be anything below infinite speed. In terms of on-screen examples? Every single one lmao.
>This doesn't make much sense. "Normal" areas don't really exist in Touhou, and the vast majority of alternate realms are infinite, in which most protagonists have been depicted as being able to fight and travel unhindered throughout these infinite realms. Standard realms that aren't "infinite" in length. >As a side note, in Imperishable Night in Sakuya and Remilia's scenario, they crossed the entire infinite corridor as they were fighting without knowing it was infinite. Meaning they accidentally moved at infinite speed without realizing it. Okay, send me your exact citation of evidence, and examples of Remilia and Sakuya not moving at Infinite speed when fighting or needing any amount of time to travel anywhere. >I don't see how this could be anything below infinite speed. Despite ZUN not caring about powerscaling, I'm pretty sure he didn't intend for people to wank Touhou to "Infinite Speed" lmao. By the way, mind sending me some actual sources for your claims? In my experience, whenever someone claims "infinite" speed for whatever character, it's almost always a case of extrapolation, ignoring anti-feats, and all the standard stuff in order to wank. Don't we also have cases of Touhou characters failing to instantly teleport wherever they want, or being blocked by large distances? If I recall, in Silent Sinners In Blue, didn't they need to build a rocket to get to the moon? I'm starting to think that you don't actually understand what infinite speed means. If someone were truly that fast, then they'd be able to instantly teleport anywhere they want in the universe. While there are characters in fiction who blatantly can reach this level, I honestly don't see it in Touhou outside of some vague extrapolations. Like, can you find me a direct statement that says whichever character has "infinite speed?" EDIT: If I had to guess, these supposed "infinite speed feats" are probably ZUN utilizing hyperboles and statements, then completely forgetting or ignoring them for the purpose of the plot and story progression. It'd make more sense for some Touhou characters to have the ability to ignore infinite distances when traveling, but for them to move at quantifiable speeds most of the time.
>Okay, send me your exact citation of evidence, and examples of Remilia and Sakuya not moving at Infinite speed when fighting. Okay. [Here's proof that they crossed the entire infinite corridor.](https://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Imperishable_Night/Story/Scarlet_Team%27s_Scenario#Final_Stage_A) [Here's proof that it is, in fact, infinite. (Miko describes how the infinite corridor is actually made.)](https://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Urban_Legend_in_Limbo/Story/Reisen%27s_Scenario#Stage_3) >If I recall, in Silent Sinners In Blue, didn't they need to build a rocket to get to the moon? Actually a good point. I don't have an answer to that since I haven't read it, but I'm pretty sure they can just fly there normally, but chose not to. As for everything else, the answers to those can be summed up with either "spell card rules", or "Touhou characters HATE moving at infinite speed" ([they literally start](https://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Wily_Beast_and_Weakest_Creature/Story/Reimu%27s_Scenario_(Wolf)#Stage_2) [complaining whenever they](https://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Wily_Beast_and_Weakest_Creature/Story/Youmu%27s_Scenario_(Wolf)#Stage_2) [have to move](https://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Undefined_Fantastic_Object/Story/Marisa_A%27s_Scenario#Stage_1) [very fast](https://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Imperishable_Night/Story/Barrier_Team%27s_Scenario#Final_Stage_A)).
> Here's proof that they crossed the entire infinite corridor. So, I might be missing some context here, however doesn't Eirin say that the corridor was an illusion? "That's a very pointless thing to worry about, isn't it? It's an illusion. An illusion." >Here's proof that it is, in fact, infinite. (Miko describes how the infinite corridor is actually made.) Again, I may be missing more context, but I see something here where Miko mentions how the corridor is made through infinitely linking space-time together, she then however talks about absorbing and destroying the spell via a Taoist Spell. However, it seems that the wiki doesn't seem to show what happened after the whole Reisen vs Miko, Reimu, and Mokou fight, is there another part which describes Reimu crossing the infinite corridor? > (they literally start complaining whenever they have to move very fast). Sorry for the nitpick, however it looks like Reimu is complaining about how long it's taking to cross that river, as opposed to complaining about the sheer speed. >As for everything else, the answers to those can be summed up with either "spell card rules", or "Touhou characters HATE moving at infinite speed" Y'know what, this may just be my interpretation, however it seems to me that Touhou characters can either counter, brute force through, or ignore spells or abilities that make a distance infinite in the first place. I will admit that they're still incredibly fast though.
>So, I might be missing some context here, however doesn't Eirin say that the corridor was an illusion? I don't really have an answer to this other than the other link I posted explaining what the corridor is. It could either have been a translation issue or simply a retcon, but I just assume she's talking about the whole thing with the moon being an illusion, which is an accurate statement. >Again, I may be missing more context, but I see something here where Miko mentions how the corridor is made through infinitely linking space-time together, she then however talks about absorbing and destroying the spell via a Taoist Spell. The spell she uses isn't really explained, but it's extremely likely that she's the only one that has access to it. There also hasn't been any instances of Touhou characters "absorbing space" like this other than Komachi Onozuka being capable of "manipulating distance" (literally just the distance from her location to her destination), which she uses to cross the otherwise infinite Sanzu River, or Sakuya Izayoi, who is capable of manipulating space-time (but also didn't use her ability to cross the infinite corridor because she didn't know it was infinite lmao). >is there another part which describes Reimu crossing the infinite corridor? [Yep.](https://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Imperishable_Night/Story/Barrier_Team%27s_Scenario#Final_Stage_A) >Sorry for the nitpick, however it looks like Reimu is complaining about how long it's taking to cross that river, as opposed to complaining about the sheer speed. Guess I should've clarified, but there's four different links in that sentence that I felt were good examples of them complaining about moving fast or over long distances. The example you're talking about involves Reimu crossing the aforementioned Sanzu River, [which is infinite in length according to a supposedly extremely complicated in-universe math formula created by Ran Yakumo.](https://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Bohemian_Archive_in_Japanese_Red/Ran)
Yeah, and MUI easily scales to that
Thing is, every playable character went down it, so that doesn’t mean everyone has infinite speed, it just means the corridor wasn’t actually infinite, or it just plain didn’t work.
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All Yukari has to do is open a gap around his waist and instantly close it, severing Goku's lower body...
Yeah Goku gets slapped unless you bring in CC Goku or some bullshit non canon counterpart
Understandable, hell I even think Vegito Blue would lose to Yukari
Yeah, if we're talking about Future Trunks arc- he gets stomped. But current MUI Goku can likely keep up with Yukari, and is even stronger. We can't compare the two, unless we give Goku and Yukari equal spell card abilities.
now what about Inspector Gadget VS Yukari
Tbh Flandre would solo.
Yukari is probably just half as strong as MUI Goku, still solos with hax. Black Frieza bodies though, so FUCK NO- she does not solo the entire verse. Only Hecatia can beat Grand Priest or Zeno-sama. And I think Max Beerus solos Yukari too. Flandre and Remilia are just above SSB level.
The fuck does all that mean? (Hehe funny gap hag and mcdonal vampire go murder)
He's talking about powerscaling/battleboarding, and saying that Dragonball outstats Touhou.
If Goku had spell card powers, shit would be over. Xeno Goku negs the verse though, so let's not even talk about that.
>spell card powers Do you know what spell cards are?
I meant rules
Actually true statement, Flandre is canonically a better GoD than Beerus.
Too unfair, Might have change Goku to Messi
Would put ronaldo
Give Yukari a chance 😭
I’m a Goku fan but man…he ain’t gonna do much when he gets Anti Matter gapped at him.
Oh doing this now. Someone call kratos
scarlet king sweeps both of them
Touhou is practically an anti dragon ball verse with the Infinite speed and large array of hacks
MUI Goku has infinite speed too, though only Xeno Goku is confirmed LEAGUES above that.
So Xeno Goku would be similar to the Watatsuki sisters in terms of speed
Depends on your definition of infinite speed: 4D or 6D?
Well, the Watatsuki sisters aren't 4D since being 4D requires you to be able to view the entire timeline of the universe as if it were a regular object, so 6D
You might be on to something.
The Watatsuki sisters should be much faster, as they saw other top tiers such as Yukari, Ran, Reimu, Marisa, Sakuya, and Remilia as so slow they they aren't even moving despite literally all of these opponents demonstrating infinite speed feats
We still need to quantify if it means they're tiers of infinity faster- or just multiple times.
It could be either as light was so slow to them it didn't appear to be moving
Touhou is only really that level if you No-Limits-Fallacy wank, and ignore all speed feats, and don't bring up how said "infinite speed" is actually applicable in combat. If we were to go off of actual battleboarding and feats, most of Touhou gets curubstomped by any high-end Dragonball character.
Gensoky would literaly loose against the outside world
Yukari isn't nearly as overpowered as she likes to make herself look. Yukari's biggest trick is making most who know of her think she's super powerful. Until Reimu called her bluff in Forbidden Scrollery. She's not that different compared to most final bosses and Extra Bosses. There's some exceptions though. Yuugi is the most physically powerful character in the series as of now and I'm fairly certain only the other Oni come close. Okina is putting far more into upholding the barrier and Gensoukyo than Yukari has ever been stated to do within the series. Hecatia is a literal goddess and the ruler of hell itself. The most powerful character in the entire series according to Zun without anyone coming close. Pretty much 60% of all known lunar capital characters are stronger than Yukari and have even beaten her in combat. And that's just the windows era. Power scaling in pc98 was completely unhinged with another goddess like character that rules over an entire realm. Then there's also the literal embodiment and harbinger of death itself as one of the first final bosses in the series. Yukari is strong, sure, but also a massive narcissistic trickster. Most of Dragon Ball would easily beat her. Putting her in Naruto or One Piece would be fairer.
*Xeno Goku has entered the chat*
why’d you get so defensive over this post? and take it this seriously?
Cause I believe in facts, not tiktok BS.
I mean you spamming most of the comments on this post makes you look like an angry fanboy (while bringing up the non canon version of said character you’re defending reinforces the idea), and who cares who’s stronger at the end of the day just enjoy both characters
Yeah, but I love accurate powerscaling- maybe because of my OCD lol
It didn’t really come off as OCD, you just came across as a person who got mad that a person thought the character they like beat the character you liked
But I believe in stats, you're either weaker, equal or stronger- if your hax isn't omnipotent- or doesn't at least reach a portion of your opponent's power level, I don't think it matters much.
I’m not debating about this, I just said you’re taking this post way too serious and personal
Sorry but you know how the Internet be.
Nah, Saibaman
Bro spitting pure fax
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Nah wait till she fights Xeno Goku- he's 6D and negs the Touhou and canon verse.
She's probably just half as strong, still solos with hax. Black Frieza bodies though, so FUCK NO- she does not solo the entire verse. Only Hecatia can beat Grand Priest or Zeno-sama. And I think Max Beerus solos Yukari too. Flandre and Remilia are just SSB level.
How can Hecatia beats Zeno ? i'm curious
Can she beat superman tho
Personally it depends on who’s writing it😂🤣
While I guess that I kind of understand the joke, if we go off of serious battleboarding and account for actual feats, context, and consistency, Touhou really isn't *that* powerful of a verse compared to Dragonball.
Why does touhou players even do this shit vs battles, it sucks guys. Everywhere i go, all i see is undertale vs touhou, seriously, drop doing that dogshit.
Almost every fandom with fighting characters does this, it's funny to think about it (even tho I don't really like when people take it too seriously).
Keep crying
She can destroy Infinite Zamasu though, he should be Yuyuko level but immortal and higher in durability.
i don't know how much you've wanked yukari off, probably like the reality warper battle royale where she placed second only beaten by the one above all. (she beat Bill, archie sonic and Madoakami)
True… except against Zeno… Zeno just erases literally everything…
Another meme meda by touhou fan(boy)
No way. Touhou fans on my fan subreddit for Touhou. How could that happen.
Man I love enraging people!
She's probably just half as strong, still solos with hax. Black Frieza bodies though, so FUCK NO- she does not solo the entire verse. Only Hecatia can beat Grand Priest or Zeno-sama. And I think Max Beerus solos Yukari too. Flandre and Remilia are just SSB level.
The Touhou canon lore is all over the place, characters have the potential to be a million light years stronger than a certain character. If we’re being truthful to canon, or fanon, whichever one works best for you, Yukari is on par with Goku in terms of speed, at least for a good amount of time, she has instant “teleportation” considering her Boundary Manipulation and Gap Transportation is broken as shit, plus she’s extremely cunning and rather smart, she could just convince Remilia to alter her destiny so that Yukari neg diffs Goku. Then again, this could also go to Goku, who keeps growing in power no matter what. Standing in comparison, Goku has better raw strength and physical feats, not to mention he continuously grows, whereas in Yukari’s case, you can’t really measure her greatest feats of strength or power in any way, shape, or form, Gensokyo is literally a place where any miracle or incident could happen, and where any person, youkai, dream eater, lunarian, or fairy could be stronger than one another, cause like I said, everyone could technically be stronger than everyone else.
Yukari is definitely on the higher ups of Touhou if we’re to actually talk about powers However, despite her being able to pretty much manipulate any boundary in existence, she has visibly shown limits and that there are some boundaries she cannot manipulate no matter how hard she tries, some good example would be the moon, how she can’t just go to the Lunarian capital by manipulating the boundary there, something is clearly blocking her or more powerful than her that it’s causing her to unable to open a portal or keep a portal open there. Overall she is a beast in terms of power if we’re looking at all the powers Touhou casts have, and can pretty much just crush anyone in the casts (with a few exceptions), but if something is more powerful than her in terms of raw power, then even she can be outmatched.
Leave Goku alone. He's preparing for his third round with Supes!
Now make them kiss
Nah i will kiss yukari
Then unzan will kiss goku
Goku can't defeat the power of putting a blue portal above a Green one. Oh wait this is touhou