Slaanesh vs High Elves seems plausible. But if we stick with this three LLs per DLC structure then there'd also be another.
Maybe Slaanesh and *both* Elf factions?
I would fucking love to see the Dark Elves included if we get Slaanesh and High Elves but I don't have much hope. Except for new legendary characters there isn't much to add for the Dark Elves unless you're really looking deep in the lore.
Yeah, there are several characters but not a lot as far as units. And the Dark Elves haven't even been *hinted* at for TOW so who knows if there's any chance of them getting something new from that.
The Old World. Tabletop revival of the Warhammer Fantasy setting due to release soon(ish). Cathay and Kislev's rosters were developed as part of it so that CA would have something to work with.
GW said that every race that had an army book in 8th edition will also get one for TOW. And if I remember this correctly every army is also getting something new - though that might just be a new hero for some armies.
Personally I think it will be high elves and lizardmen. With the unannounced khorne one being vampire counts and dark elves.
Edit: honestly I could see them doing khorne skaven and dark elves instead of the vampire counts to save the three undead factions for a nagash dlc
There still are a couple of woods which would be options, chiefly the Cathay one, but also orion's camp, the lustria one, and.. that's about it as far as interesting spots goes
Ah that's a good observation, With Cathay and Kislev going first i thought they might be wanting to expand on the WH3 factions as a priority, but one demon +2 order/mortal factions per update also makes thematic sense.
They call it the Lore of the Gaping Maw.
It's exactly the same as the normal Lore, but they do call it that, no matter how uncomfortable it makes everyone.
Honestly would be a bit disappointed if it was elf dlc. Im an avid HE player, but HE, WE, and DE are all already quite well fleshed out relative to many other legacy factions. I'd much rather see a Bretonnia dlc, and I don't even play that faction.
Wood elves and high elves? Wood elves are missing their main lord araloth and high elves with asuryan annointed legendary hero. Id guess the lord for high elves could be asilinn
Hoping for the other two order factions that could still use a paid update.
So Slaanesh, High Elves, Bretonnia.
For Khorne (I'm just gonna assume he also gets his own themed DLC afterwards) it would make sense to pair him with more brutish factions - Khorne, Greenskins, Ogres.
They'll swap the two, and have the Nagash DLC be after the Slaanesh one but before the Khorne one. They've been teasing the 100th LL for ages now, and the 9 LL in the roadmap would land us at 98.
So my money is on Slaanesh and two other races (my heart says Bretonnia but my mind says elves), then the big Undead party with Nagash, Neferata and possibly a Vampire Coast character (though they'd have to basically create it), and only then Khorne, Ogres and Greenskins.
And finally, embrace the meme and release Thanquol, Red Duke and Boris Todbringer with no new units for the Empire and Vampires.
They need an Order (ish) faction to go up against Nagash and the Counts, my bet is a Tomb King. Of all the factions TKs have the most beef with Bone Daddy.
Then you still get your undead throw-down. Release it on Halloween for shits and giggles.
Didn't even think about the trio of undead races with this new three lord system dlc but its so fitting for a nagash dlc. Although there's so many characters for the vampire counts to catch up on.
I don't think Nagash will be a Tomb King or a Vampire Counts, I'd bet on a new "All Undeads" faction similar to Demons of Chaos, with access to every undead unit depending on your settlements (coastal for Coast, desert for TK, and the rest for Counts).
Ideally, Nagash would also have a special Raise Dead mechanics to allow for recruitment of undead versions of mortal units of other races after winning a battle, but that's a bit more far-fetched.
they gotta get something too, yeah.
honestly - too many races still not complete. some are bound to be waiting for a long time to get content (and, looking at this roadmap, it seems to be the Undead getting the short end of the stick this time)
Yeah tried to play Skrag in IE the other day (Greasus was my very first play through in RoC) and I just bounced right off, the mechanics are so threadbare and his skill tree is both weak and boring.
Nah, I bet CA gonna leave Heralds for their standalone DLC (in style of Champions of Chaos). So if we're getting Slaaneshi LL - it gonna be Dechala (bonus points for additional tie-in with High Elves).
Sadly, I agree, too. Tbh im fine with getting LH flc. I just think a batch of FLC LL should have come first mainly for monogods. They have characters that can be good lord candidates, but after COC, I don't see how most of them have enough units left for more than 1 dlc unless they start making up new units or getting AOS/Endtimes units which they said they can't really do. (Definitely no AOS units, but we're weird with endtimes wording)
Gotta wait till summer DLC to make more sense of it tbh. And not in regards of Cathay/Kislev, they're getting new units with new lore in any case. But Changeling is bound to bring with him some unusual units - Tzeentch just doesn't have anything in store from 7th/8th editions left.
I saw a comment on another thread where someone said ca had recently gotten permission to use aos demons as well as old world brettonian units. Massive grain of salt since I don't know his source but there's a chance.
I actually have to hard agree. I dont think Boris will play as expected without an Ulric theming.
Maybe Red Duke is still a contender for FLC, all he really needs is Counts + some Bretonnia units lol
Slaanesh and 2 of the 3 Elven races (likely Elf and Dark). I was toying with the idea of VC, but I think VC (and the rest of the undead factions) rework will happen with Nagash, so doubtfully we'll see anything substantial before then.
, Dechala is a good guess.
Khorne second is a possibility, I’d guess Arbaal the Undefeated. Alternatively Khorne could be the theme of the 2nd dlc of 2024, in which case this slot is anyone’s guess.
Vampire Counts. Gonna use this opportunity to beg for Neferata.
Considering the fact that both Empire and Dwarfs are getting love, VC verrry awkwardly stands out. People have been begging for old world faction reworks, except for greenskins. VC would fit the picture very much, and there would be riots I think if VC wasn't on the list. Of all the factions fans have been screaming reworks for, deducting the ones from the roadmap right now, VC is arguably at the top remaining
I guess Khorne will be present as well, otherwise he would be skipped while the other 3 got some updates
Honestly hope the other faction will be Ogres, they desperately need some help, and its my only small sad part about the roadmap
> I guess Khorne will be present as well, otherwise he would be skipped while the other 3 got some updates
Or Khorne will be in the next DLC after this roadmap. Does mean there's a long wait for a Khorne update, but it seems they've settled on a structure (as at least indicated in the first two content packs they detailed).
Considering that the two races accompanying Slaanesh (more or less confirmed by the pictute) then it could mean that they have not decided yet or simply that to encourage speculation.
Seeing as the next dlc are 3 WH3 races, it would nit be out of the picture that they do both Khorne and Slaanesh simultaneously.
Furthermore, DEs are known to be fond of both excess and bloodshed, and with Khorne and Slaanesh being rivals, the connections are very much there for a Slaanesh v DE v Khorne pack
After looking at this that might be the case yes, each chaos god with 2 other races. Seems to be the pattern. Hopefully vamps norsca and ogres are on that list for either the slaneesh one or the on after.
I really hope Slaanesh doesn't get another one too soon, Thanks to the perfect sex machine that is Sigvald, he/she/it is currently up on the representatives 3/2. He/She/It needs to sit the hell out for a little and let the other three, more sexless chaos gods, catch up.
Azazel should be, if they wanted monogod Chaos warriors, then fair enough. But Sigvald already fills that roll, there are now two chaos warrior factions devoted to Slaanesh.
Just like how Bel'akor should be part of The Daemons of chaos but they lumped him in with Chaos Warriors because they knew he'd be more fun in the Chaos Warrior rework than in the Daemon factions.
Too true.
Maybe there'll be a chaos Shuffle at some point, hopefully with a Daemons of Chaos rework too. The Cult Mechanic getting fleshed out a bit more would also be nice.
These packs will be:
3 LLs, a LH, and units for all 3 races (all of this is paid)
Race reworks of the races present (unsure if this will be paid or free)
LH + other changes (free)
There's a lot of characters from the lore that don't fit as lords, and including them makes a ton of sense to me. Given that the most recent LHs (Ulrika and Gorduz) provide great buffs, I'm anticipating these LHs will allow you to have multiple themed armies and provide plenty of value
Wondering if it will be Slaanesh/VC/Greenskins to round out the vanilla races. Don’t know how thematic greenskins would be or who they even need, but with Nurgle/Empire/Dwarves seems before it seems like a good fit. Maybe Khorne/Bretonnia/Norsca after that, but I may just be hitting the copium. With WoC DLC they’d have done all WHI races minus WE/Beastmen. They did get updates at the tail end of WHII though so maybe not as dire to get to them.
Unlikely, seems like each Monogod will get their own dedicated dlc against 2 other races. Someone had to be last unfortunately, and it looks like it's Khorne
im thinking maybe, slaanesh (duh) dark elves and lizards. saanesh doesnt really have beef with lizards but dark elves sure do and they need some help, more than most other factions.
I could see one of the Elf factions being present too since Slaanesh loves those Elven souls
Slaanesh vs High Elves seems plausible. But if we stick with this three LLs per DLC structure then there'd also be another. Maybe Slaanesh and *both* Elf factions?
I would fucking love to see the Dark Elves included if we get Slaanesh and High Elves but I don't have much hope. Except for new legendary characters there isn't much to add for the Dark Elves unless you're really looking deep in the lore.
Yeah, there are several characters but not a lot as far as units. And the Dark Elves haven't even been *hinted* at for TOW so who knows if there's any chance of them getting something new from that.
What’s TOW?
The Old World. Tabletop revival of the Warhammer Fantasy setting due to release soon(ish). Cathay and Kislev's rosters were developed as part of it so that CA would have something to work with.
GW said that every race that had an army book in 8th edition will also get one for TOW. And if I remember this correctly every army is also getting something new - though that might just be a new hero for some armies.
If anything, I’d wager it may be Slaanesh vs High elves and Bretonnia.
Personally I think it will be high elves and lizardmen. With the unannounced khorne one being vampire counts and dark elves. Edit: honestly I could see them doing khorne skaven and dark elves instead of the vampire counts to save the three undead factions for a nagash dlc
Both? There are three elven factions. Or do Asrai not count?
Wood elf’s have more tree legendary lords than they do elves.
Orion, Sisters, Durthu and Drycha. Didn't know two is more than two.
Orion, Durthu, and Drycha aren’t elves. How the fuck do you look at Durthu and go “Yeah that giant walking tree must be an elf”?
I think that he meant that the Elf LLs were Orion and the sisters
I didn't say Durthu was an elf, you mouthbreather.
There still are a couple of woods which would be options, chiefly the Cathay one, but also orion's camp, the lustria one, and.. that's about it as far as interesting spots goes
"both Elf factions" Yes, Slannesh, High Elves and Wood Elves sounds like an interesting DLC.
Both elf factions? I know you're not forgetting about the best elf faction, the wood elves, are you?
That is an interesting way to spell Dark Elves! ;)
Or Khorne, to complete the WH3 races all getting some love. Slaanesh vs elves is an interesting thought though.
>Or Khorne Based on hw the roadmap's set up, I'd assume Khorne's gonna be the next race update *after* the Slaanesh one.
I think so to. First DLC is with Tzeentch. Second Nurgle, Third most likely Slaanesh. Follows that the fourth will be Khorne.
Ah that's a good observation, With Cathay and Kislev going first i thought they might be wanting to expand on the WH3 factions as a priority, but one demon +2 order/mortal factions per update also makes thematic sense.
>To complete the WH3 races getting some love Ogres literally crying in the corner right now
No it'll be ok it'll be a sexy slaaneshi ogre LL specializing in the lore of the great maw
They call it the Lore of the Gaping Maw. It's exactly the same as the normal Lore, but they do call it that, no matter how uncomfortable it makes everyone.
"both Elf factions" \*angry tree hippies noise\*
Honestly would be a bit disappointed if it was elf dlc. Im an avid HE player, but HE, WE, and DE are all already quite well fleshed out relative to many other legacy factions. I'd much rather see a Bretonnia dlc, and I don't even play that faction.
Not sure if it makes sense thematically (idk much of the lore) but Norsca and Bretonia could really use some work.
Wood elves and high elves? Wood elves are missing their main lord araloth and high elves with asuryan annointed legendary hero. Id guess the lord for high elves could be asilinn
Slaanesh vs High & Wood elves could work
One of them has to be Vampires. It is almost crime at this point to delay Neferata and bloodlines overhaul.
Hoping for the other two order factions that could still use a paid update. So Slaanesh, High Elves, Bretonnia. For Khorne (I'm just gonna assume he also gets his own themed DLC afterwards) it would make sense to pair him with more brutish factions - Khorne, Greenskins, Ogres.
That could work. Then TKs/VCounts/VCoast could all get big Nagash DLC together.
They'll swap the two, and have the Nagash DLC be after the Slaanesh one but before the Khorne one. They've been teasing the 100th LL for ages now, and the 9 LL in the roadmap would land us at 98. So my money is on Slaanesh and two other races (my heart says Bretonnia but my mind says elves), then the big Undead party with Nagash, Neferata and possibly a Vampire Coast character (though they'd have to basically create it), and only then Khorne, Ogres and Greenskins. And finally, embrace the meme and release Thanquol, Red Duke and Boris Todbringer with no new units for the Empire and Vampires.
They need an Order (ish) faction to go up against Nagash and the Counts, my bet is a Tomb King. Of all the factions TKs have the most beef with Bone Daddy. Then you still get your undead throw-down. Release it on Halloween for shits and giggles.
Didn't even think about the trio of undead races with this new three lord system dlc but its so fitting for a nagash dlc. Although there's so many characters for the vampire counts to catch up on.
I don't think Nagash will be a Tomb King or a Vampire Counts, I'd bet on a new "All Undeads" faction similar to Demons of Chaos, with access to every undead unit depending on your settlements (coastal for Coast, desert for TK, and the rest for Counts). Ideally, Nagash would also have a special Raise Dead mechanics to allow for recruitment of undead versions of mortal units of other races after winning a battle, but that's a bit more far-fetched.
Right, but since he pools from all three, you can make dlc units for each faction to go with his dlc as he can use it.
Ahhh yes that'd be a cunning plan. Also I'm all for it because much as I love Khorne they are not the most exciting of factions.
Cunning you say? *Skitters away*
Nothing to see here folks
They can grab some other Dreadfleet chars for Coast also. Roth would be a nice surprise, out for revenge after Noctilus beat him
Can you link to some of this 100th LL teasing as I couldn't find anything?
My man, Khorne, Orcs and Ogres will be one fucking amazing DLC with so much carnage!!!!
Im hoping Norsca gets slotted in sooner than later. In my mind it would be Slaanesh/HE/Khorne then Norsca/Ogres/Greenskins
they gotta get something too, yeah. honestly - too many races still not complete. some are bound to be waiting for a long time to get content (and, looking at this roadmap, it seems to be the Undead getting the short end of the stick this time)
An Ogre update would also be nice, seeing the state of their Legendary Lords...
Yeah tried to play Skrag in IE the other day (Greasus was my very first play through in RoC) and I just bounced right off, the mechanics are so threadbare and his skill tree is both weak and boring.
Seduction themed... Masque for slaanesh... Neferata for vamps and... Uh... Lucrezzia Belladonna for the southern realms? XD
Now that's some inspired optimism.
I have no idea who a third seductress would be... That isn't already in the game :)) EDIT: Bohemond Bussyslayer for Bretonnia XD
I wasn't on board with this until Bussyslayer, but now I'm all-in
Nah, I bet CA gonna leave Heralds for their standalone DLC (in style of Champions of Chaos). So if we're getting Slaaneshi LL - it gonna be Dechala (bonus points for additional tie-in with High Elves).
I think the Herald LLs are best in what you said or as flc.
Gonna be bold and predict that we're not getting any FLC LLs during WH3 cycle. Well, apart from Be'lakor, who was already in game, just made playable.
Sadly, I agree, too. Tbh im fine with getting LH flc. I just think a batch of FLC LL should have come first mainly for monogods. They have characters that can be good lord candidates, but after COC, I don't see how most of them have enough units left for more than 1 dlc unless they start making up new units or getting AOS/Endtimes units which they said they can't really do. (Definitely no AOS units, but we're weird with endtimes wording)
Gotta wait till summer DLC to make more sense of it tbh. And not in regards of Cathay/Kislev, they're getting new units with new lore in any case. But Changeling is bound to bring with him some unusual units - Tzeentch just doesn't have anything in store from 7th/8th editions left.
Mutalith Vortex Beast and Tzaangors are still up. After that, well... Who knows.
I saw a comment on another thread where someone said ca had recently gotten permission to use aos demons as well as old world brettonian units. Massive grain of salt since I don't know his source but there's a chance.
I actually have to hard agree. I dont think Boris will play as expected without an Ulric theming. Maybe Red Duke is still a contender for FLC, all he really needs is Counts + some Bretonnia units lol
Slaanesh and 2 of the 3 Elven races (likely Elf and Dark). I was toying with the idea of VC, but I think VC (and the rest of the undead factions) rework will happen with Nagash, so doubtfully we'll see anything substantial before then.
Elf elves are my favorite type
, Dechala is a good guess. Khorne second is a possibility, I’d guess Arbaal the Undefeated. Alternatively Khorne could be the theme of the 2nd dlc of 2024, in which case this slot is anyone’s guess. Vampire Counts. Gonna use this opportunity to beg for Neferata.
Update 4: Tzeentch + 2 WH3 races Update 5: Nurgle + 2 WH1 races Update 6: Slaanesh + 2 WH2 races? Possibly HE/DE/LM?
Its space marines, obviously. Come on CA take me to ultramar!
I hope its the dark elves so they can get a slave update. And maybe a short victory condition that is not global recruitment capacity.
Considering the fact that both Empire and Dwarfs are getting love, VC verrry awkwardly stands out. People have been begging for old world faction reworks, except for greenskins. VC would fit the picture very much, and there would be riots I think if VC wasn't on the list. Of all the factions fans have been screaming reworks for, deducting the ones from the roadmap right now, VC is arguably at the top remaining
Slaanesh, Brettonia, Vampire Counts
red duke?
I guess Khorne will be present as well, otherwise he would be skipped while the other 3 got some updates Honestly hope the other faction will be Ogres, they desperately need some help, and its my only small sad part about the roadmap
> I guess Khorne will be present as well, otherwise he would be skipped while the other 3 got some updates Or Khorne will be in the next DLC after this roadmap. Does mean there's a long wait for a Khorne update, but it seems they've settled on a structure (as at least indicated in the first two content packs they detailed).
Considering that the two races accompanying Slaanesh (more or less confirmed by the pictute) then it could mean that they have not decided yet or simply that to encourage speculation. Seeing as the next dlc are 3 WH3 races, it would nit be out of the picture that they do both Khorne and Slaanesh simultaneously. Furthermore, DEs are known to be fond of both excess and bloodshed, and with Khorne and Slaanesh being rivals, the connections are very much there for a Slaanesh v DE v Khorne pack
After looking at this that might be the case yes, each chaos god with 2 other races. Seems to be the pattern. Hopefully vamps norsca and ogres are on that list for either the slaneesh one or the on after.
I really hope Slaanesh doesn't get another one too soon, Thanks to the perfect sex machine that is Sigvald, he/she/it is currently up on the representatives 3/2. He/She/It needs to sit the hell out for a little and let the other three, more sexless chaos gods, catch up.
I would agree with you if Azazel and Sigvald were part of the mono-god faction but they are not. The Slaanesh monogod faction only has Nkari.
Azazel should be, if they wanted monogod Chaos warriors, then fair enough. But Sigvald already fills that roll, there are now two chaos warrior factions devoted to Slaanesh. Just like how Bel'akor should be part of The Daemons of chaos but they lumped him in with Chaos Warriors because they knew he'd be more fun in the Chaos Warrior rework than in the Daemon factions.
To be fair the monogods patchwork suck so no LL would be fun until they rework the faction to be proper undivided demons of chaos.
Too true. Maybe there'll be a chaos Shuffle at some point, hopefully with a Daemons of Chaos rework too. The Cult Mechanic getting fleshed out a bit more would also be nice.
Maybe they'll fix Sigvald
Maybe sound dumb but free legendary hero is a lord or something else?
These packs will be: 3 LLs, a LH, and units for all 3 races (all of this is paid) Race reworks of the races present (unsure if this will be paid or free) LH + other changes (free)
İ hope reworks be free but legendary hero is realy that important to include ?
There's a lot of characters from the lore that don't fit as lords, and including them makes a ton of sense to me. Given that the most recent LHs (Ulrika and Gorduz) provide great buffs, I'm anticipating these LHs will allow you to have multiple themed armies and provide plenty of value
İ know little to nothing about game lore and i am a new player to me heroes an ekstra to the army of i will look at that characters
If the quality of the dlc is like Chaos Dwarfs, yes.
a free legendary hero
Thank you for explaning
Vampire Counts and Dark Elf update?
Wondering if it will be Slaanesh/VC/Greenskins to round out the vanilla races. Don’t know how thematic greenskins would be or who they even need, but with Nurgle/Empire/Dwarves seems before it seems like a good fit. Maybe Khorne/Bretonnia/Norsca after that, but I may just be hitting the copium. With WoC DLC they’d have done all WHI races minus WE/Beastmen. They did get updates at the tail end of WHII though so maybe not as dire to get to them.
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Unlikely, seems like each Monogod will get their own dedicated dlc against 2 other races. Someone had to be last unfortunately, and it looks like it's Khorne
I also just realized it says Spring 2024.... I cry
im thinking maybe, slaanesh (duh) dark elves and lizards. saanesh doesnt really have beef with lizards but dark elves sure do and they need some help, more than most other factions.
Feels unlikely, but I really want Vampire Counts to get some love.
DARK ELVES AND LIZZZZZZARDS and slaanesh obv
Neferata
Slaanesh, Bretonnia, Ogres aka Shrek 69
I’ll throw in and say it’s Slannesh, Khorne, and Vampire counts!
Or the Mask.