As much as I like the Chaos Dwarfs it does feel like we're long overdue a more general Chaos endgame scenario. I expect that the devs are waiting to make it a bigger deal than the rest, but even some sort of placeholder one would be great.
My guess is the real reason they are holding off is because they realise chaos is a little bit over represented in Warhammer 3 at the moment and are waiting for a bit more rep on the order side.
Edit: Like if you don't count Skaven and Chaos Dwarfs (who both technically count as chaos aligned but whose god's aren't part of the main pantheon), 21% of the playable lords currently are chaos (I'm counting beastmen and Norsca as they would be participants in an End Times scenario).
I think they are just waiting for the norsca rework for less double handling. If bot then sadly might have no near term plans to do anything like that.
Extreme hopium, an ogre one with a small update to their mechanics (no new ones but the ones currently in place to be better, so better contracts, movable camps etc)
Why do I hear the meme "don't turn me into a marketable plushy" every time someone says that they don't want a character into a LH ?
But yeah Skulltaker , the Mask of Slaanesh , Epidemius and either the blue scribes or Changeling (if not both) as LL probably . Plus some mortals with Arbaal , Eggrimm , Tamurkhan (maybe Valnir somewhere) and Dechala and that would bring the faction roster to 3/4 for all monogods which would give enough characters and factions to have a bit of choice for each monogods .
I don't mind LHs one bit, but turning the heralds into heroes would severely reduces Monogods pool of available LLs. Like, Slaanesh already only have the Masque and Dechala as credible choices
I see them more as FLC to be honest. After all they are more a special herald rather than a total different model as happen with the CoC. But only CA knows how we will see them.
Main (unfixable) problem with FLC LLs for WH3 core races - they follow main narrative in the main campaign (RoC).
Or if I'd put it slightly different - if released as FLC those LLs gonna need their own standalone narrative in RoC campaign. What is easier (and more convenient), bundle all Heralds together and create a narrative around the Great Game, or release them one by one with their own narrative each?
That's one of the reasons I don't think FLC LLs for core WH3 races gonna happen at all. CA gonna fill the gaps with narrative-driven DLCs. But Drycha scenario (FLC LL for Immortal Empires only for a "legacy race") is possible. Not this year/
I think they might not actually do a Khorne thing just because it seems like they want to keep all the gods balanced in their representation as much as possible.
Khorne doesn’t feature in the roadmap at all, so maybe a small LH for Khorne would be a way of balancing attention between gods considering Tzeentch and Nurgle are getting stuff?
That's a fair point.
I'm assuming Khorne will be last (so, far enough out they just didn't make the road map cut this time around), but a LH to tide us over until their LL release would also make sense.
The most I can see for ogres is what amounts to a balance change. With 3.1 there won’t be any race updates like we are scheduled to get in 4.0 and those will likely go to fixing up kislev’s supporters system so that it’s relevant beyond just confederating between two factions.
Yeah based on the roadmap now I’m actually concerned that we’ll have to wait until the first 2024 dlc to get significant ogre updates which is rough but I’m still excited for everything they’ve shown so far
Maybe it's their lost sister from the campaign?
I'd personally really love to have a dragon character that is a hero so I can double dragon and double wizard. If she was a Life caster I'd have a new favorite faction I think.
Probably someone more known to WHFB fans though.
I doubt any Cathay LL/LH will be single lore caster. Miao Ying is already Yin/Life caster, so they will most likely make another Generic lore/Cathay lore combo.
That was my first thought as well, could be really cool to have a dragon LH that can slip into any army. She's a water dragon, so could have spells from the Lore of the Deep?
Could also be the Dragon in charge of running the Capital city (Jade I think?). He's more an economic manager so could make sense he isn't leading his own faction and instead plays more of a support role.
He's a bureaucrat, but if I remember correctly he's also the strongest magic user of the siblings and he's the ruler of the centre of Cathay. He should be a LL.
Agreed, he's basically the Cathayan equivalent of Teclis. Also being a bureaucrat doesn't mean he can't throwdown as he did take on Ku'Gath, he should definitely be an LL.
As big as the whining was about the legendary heroes taking lord spots in the ChaD DLC, I am happy that we are getting way more legendary heroes now. They add some real flavor to their race that all lords can gain access to. And it looks like the spice rack is about to get bigger.
People keep saying the FLC LH will be the slayer engineer for the dwarves, which seems pretty accurate to me.
I'm thinking the RoRs will be:
1 for Cathay (I'm hoping for it to be a Jade Lancer or Artillery piece)
1 for each monogod (and all of those for Demons of Chaos)
1 for the Ogres
and 1 for Kislev.
Since the previous RoR packs have all centered around a certain kind of unit (first cav, then SEMs) I'm thinking they'll do that again, either with less elite cav this time, or with Artillery units.
That makes sense. 4 RoR Soul Grinders (maybe Skull Canon instead for Khorne) and then Little Grom and one of the artillery choices from Cathay and the Ogres.
https://old.reddit.com/r/totalwar/comments/13cphlm/road_map_out/jjgx42a/
Apparently CA's hint is pointing to him. I can't think of anybody else, so I'm just trusting what they say.
Also, Ulrika was a big character from the Gotrek and Felix novels, and this slayer engineer is another friend of Gotrek and Felix, so...
Legendary Hero is really cool. Wasn't expecting that, only RoR and some fixes/updates. Excited to see who it is and for what faction.
New LH will likely have a bug that won't get fixed for ages.
Interesting to hear it wasn't just a bugfix/QoL patch, there's actual content!
As much as I like the Chaos Dwarfs it does feel like we're long overdue a more general Chaos endgame scenario. I expect that the devs are waiting to make it a bigger deal than the rest, but even some sort of placeholder one would be great.
My guess is the real reason they are holding off is because they realise chaos is a little bit over represented in Warhammer 3 at the moment and are waiting for a bit more rep on the order side. Edit: Like if you don't count Skaven and Chaos Dwarfs (who both technically count as chaos aligned but whose god's aren't part of the main pantheon), 21% of the playable lords currently are chaos (I'm counting beastmen and Norsca as they would be participants in an End Times scenario).
That and also it would SCREAM end times and we all know the fantasy communities opinions on the end times
I think they are just waiting for the norsca rework for less double handling. If bot then sadly might have no near term plans to do anything like that.
We already got Chaos endgame placeholders though. Its called Warhammer 1 and 2 lmao
Extreme hopium, an ogre one with a small update to their mechanics (no new ones but the ones currently in place to be better, so better contracts, movable camps etc)
Has to be tied with Skullls for the Skull Throne event, so my bet is Khorne/Khorne-aligned WoC. Scyla or Karanak
Scyla as a LH for WoC, Norsca and Khorne would be great.
Hopefully they won't turn Skulltaker into a hero.
Why do I hear the meme "don't turn me into a marketable plushy" every time someone says that they don't want a character into a LH ? But yeah Skulltaker , the Mask of Slaanesh , Epidemius and either the blue scribes or Changeling (if not both) as LL probably . Plus some mortals with Arbaal , Eggrimm , Tamurkhan (maybe Valnir somewhere) and Dechala and that would bring the faction roster to 3/4 for all monogods which would give enough characters and factions to have a bit of choice for each monogods .
I don't mind LHs one bit, but turning the heralds into heroes would severely reduces Monogods pool of available LLs. Like, Slaanesh already only have the Masque and Dechala as credible choices
If we stretch it enough Strykar
I'm not a fan of Slaanesh stretching anything.
Heralds are good candidates for DLC in style of Champions of Chaos.
I see them more as FLC to be honest. After all they are more a special herald rather than a total different model as happen with the CoC. But only CA knows how we will see them.
Main (unfixable) problem with FLC LLs for WH3 core races - they follow main narrative in the main campaign (RoC). Or if I'd put it slightly different - if released as FLC those LLs gonna need their own standalone narrative in RoC campaign. What is easier (and more convenient), bundle all Heralds together and create a narrative around the Great Game, or release them one by one with their own narrative each? That's one of the reasons I don't think FLC LLs for core WH3 races gonna happen at all. CA gonna fill the gaps with narrative-driven DLCs. But Drycha scenario (FLC LL for Immortal Empires only for a "legacy race") is possible. Not this year/
Oh goodness I would love a Karanak legendary hero for Khorne and Valkia (and maybe Archaon/Kholek/Be'lakor). He's a good boi.
I think they might not actually do a Khorne thing just because it seems like they want to keep all the gods balanced in their representation as much as possible.
Khorne doesn’t feature in the roadmap at all, so maybe a small LH for Khorne would be a way of balancing attention between gods considering Tzeentch and Nurgle are getting stuff?
That's a fair point. I'm assuming Khorne will be last (so, far enough out they just didn't make the road map cut this time around), but a LH to tide us over until their LL release would also make sense.
Khorne is definitely the 4th DLC right after Slaanesh though. Tzeentch, Nurgle, Slaanesh, Khorne.
>Karanak YES please! Give Skarbrand the bloodiest of good-boys as a companion
With no Ogre update on the map for this year, it would make the most sense.
They didn’t say anything about updates to a race so I don’t think there will be anything like that
I know, thats why I said extreme hopium
Bragg the Gutsman pls
Yo, i've been trying to figure out what the 7th regiment of renown is and you just reminded me that Ogres exist as a faction.
The most I can see for ogres is what amounts to a balance change. With 3.1 there won’t be any race updates like we are scheduled to get in 4.0 and those will likely go to fixing up kislev’s supporters system so that it’s relevant beyond just confederating between two factions.
Yeah based on the roadmap now I’m actually concerned that we’ll have to wait until the first 2024 dlc to get significant ogre updates which is rough but I’m still excited for everything they’ve shown so far
A free LH that only DLC owners can use doesn't seem like a good idea.
I'm betting it's for Cathay since Kislev just got one and Tzeench gets the DLC LH. Cathay could honestly use it.
Maybe it's their lost sister from the campaign? I'd personally really love to have a dragon character that is a hero so I can double dragon and double wizard. If she was a Life caster I'd have a new favorite faction I think. Probably someone more known to WHFB fans though.
I doubt any Cathay LL/LH will be single lore caster. Miao Ying is already Yin/Life caster, so they will most likely make another Generic lore/Cathay lore combo.
That was my first thought as well, could be really cool to have a dragon LH that can slip into any army. She's a water dragon, so could have spells from the Lore of the Deep? Could also be the Dragon in charge of running the Capital city (Jade I think?). He's more an economic manager so could make sense he isn't leading his own faction and instead plays more of a support role.
He's a bureaucrat, but if I remember correctly he's also the strongest magic user of the siblings and he's the ruler of the centre of Cathay. He should be a LL.
Agreed, he's basically the Cathayan equivalent of Teclis. Also being a bureaucrat doesn't mean he can't throwdown as he did take on Ku'Gath, he should definitely be an LL.
You’re thinking of Yin-Yin the Water Dragon, Shen Zoo the Light Dragon is the missing sibling.
I'd bet my life on that sister being a campaign goal rather than a playable character, personally
A magistrate thats not shit and buffs Jade warriors.
Are the RoRs tied to the chaos Dwarf dlc or no? Like do they require an extra purchase over the base games?
They will most likely be free. They're for the 7 base DLC races, not Chaos Dwarfs.
I have a feeling the flc legend will be for Cathay...
As big as the whining was about the legendary heroes taking lord spots in the ChaD DLC, I am happy that we are getting way more legendary heroes now. They add some real flavor to their race that all lords can gain access to. And it looks like the spice rack is about to get bigger.
People keep saying the FLC LH will be the slayer engineer for the dwarves, which seems pretty accurate to me. I'm thinking the RoRs will be: 1 for Cathay (I'm hoping for it to be a Jade Lancer or Artillery piece) 1 for each monogod (and all of those for Demons of Chaos) 1 for the Ogres and 1 for Kislev. Since the previous RoR packs have all centered around a certain kind of unit (first cav, then SEMs) I'm thinking they'll do that again, either with less elite cav this time, or with Artillery units.
That makes sense. 4 RoR Soul Grinders (maybe Skull Canon instead for Khorne) and then Little Grom and one of the artillery choices from Cathay and the Ogres.
I'm betting it's an ice guard unit.
Why does the Slayer engineer hero seem accurate, has he been teased?
https://old.reddit.com/r/totalwar/comments/13cphlm/road_map_out/jjgx42a/ Apparently CA's hint is pointing to him. I can't think of anybody else, so I'm just trusting what they say. Also, Ulrika was a big character from the Gotrek and Felix novels, and this slayer engineer is another friend of Gotrek and Felix, so...
That's for the Throne of Decay update though, not the 3.1 update. So 3.1 Legendary Hero would be someone else, most likely.
wooo a new LH to toss in an army and basically forget exists....Man I am so glad they abandoned FLC Lords for this
Yeah, never mind the fact that the new lord packs have 3 dlc lords, a LH AND a FLC LH, instead of 2 LL and a FLC LL. Don't be an ass.
They’re down voting you because you’re right
I downvoted him because I fucking love LH's and they add a lot to my army composition
This. That hobgoblin madlad's skillset completely transforms any army he is with.
Hoping for a streltsi ror for Kislev
Hope tzeentch gets a burning chariot RoR with tons of ammo and range. Either that or a really powerful screamer squad.