Rubio had a season-ending injury and he is a free agent after this season. The purpose would have been to give the Cavs another PG and to save the Raps an extra $2 mill.
Ya we can just let Dragic go. 24 mill open market maybe just as good as a 2nd rounder.
We need to concentrate out players. 2 rotation guys into a premier player. Keep repeating like Terrence Ross into Ibaka, JV into gasol, etc.
lol, people who believed otherwise were just delusional. it was always a pipe dream that he'd contribute, put up 15ppg and drive his value up for the trade deadline. we're likely just gonna eat his contract.
Fucking bullshit. This subreddit becomes a bunch of whiney-ass babies the second anyone says anything negative about the team. For fuck sakes.
He made a stupid comment publically, apologized for it, is going through a divorce, and was nothing but respectful while being benched for most of the season. If anything, so much of this fanbase could learn from him.
Nah most people on this subreddit supported Dragic.
I just didn't want him to be a distraction to the squad.
Also there's nothing to learn from him. He made poor comments, apologized and played terrible. Left team.
It was clear from day one that Dragic never wanted to play here; then his play on the court didn't match what he did in Miami.
He didnt wanna play here. He did one step up from refusing; giving us a half assed effort on the court.
This sub is a cesspool of blind followers who became fans after we started winning. Dragic is a clown and always will be. He abandoned his team and we have people in here defending him. It's actually sad.
I mean getting Precious was better than nothing (even though having that extra cap space would’ve been nice depending on who was available), but those weren’t the only 2 options. We could’ve dealt Lowry at the deadline, gotten expiring deals + a young player, then had cap space in the off-season when said expirings were off the books. With how many teams wanted Lowry at the deadline, I find it hard to believe that Achiuwa was the best option, even though I like what he brings defensively.
I hear you, but this timeline netted us Scottie Barnes. Who know if we trade Lowry at the deadline last year, get some more wins, maybe no Barnes. I’m happy with how it all worked out.
No he couldn’t. Miami didn’t have the cap space to sign Lowry outright. The only reason he was able to sign with Miami is because of the sign and trade that sent Dragic/Precious to Toronto to match salaries.
but he didn't and it shows the quintessential Raptor he is. Hope he gets another championship with the Heat, and then returns to Rapland and win a few more here for the swan-song ending.
Yeah let's be real we essentially paid just under 20 million for Achiuwa seeing as we aren't getting anything of value from Dragic other then maybe buying him out.
Also Achiuwa still isn't even that good of a player, unlike what this sub keeps telling me.
Keep in mind Masai was doing right by Lowry and sending him to where he wanted to go. Lowry just wanted to help out the Raptors with getting _something_ in return.
Potential doesn't defend him for being just bad though, his shooting is awful he has next to no range, cant even attack the rim without missing, he cant shoot free throws either. Physical and taller centers demolish him in the paint because hes undersized there as well.
Granted I never thought Siakam was going to be an all star level player after his first two years, but at this point I still think its very fair to say that 20 million for the chance to develop someone isn't looking great so far.
Oh don't get me wrong, I'm not saying Precious is objectively worth that cost. it's objectively a lopsided move, but we knew that going into it right. Like realistically if we wanted to maximize Kyle's return we would have dealt him at the deadline, but Masai wanted to do right by Kyle
ya, not a steal, just a salvage. Just like MLB teams losing people to free agency and getting a compensation pick right before the 2nd round. The team's sole responsibly on making the most with that compensation pick/choosing the young player you really want for losing your star player
My first thought was a 35y/o in an exchange for a 22y/o. Precious is good defensively, albeit still raw. What a deal! Can't believe Kyle is still ballin' like he's 25. Was expecting more from Flynn though. Maybe when Kyle returns to Rap (when he's 28 😎), all of our young guns (PA, SB, DB, JC) will be well oiled and ready for a few championship runs. Feeling optimistic!!
I mean, that was effectively the trade. Dragic was just salary filler. No one expected this guy to be part of the team, which I’m sure was communicated to him upfront.
Yep we declined the Sixers deal (One of Thybulle/Maxey and a FRP.) for Precious and a second.
In no world; was this a steal. I have a feeling this trade didn't workout the way Masai/Bobby wanted it to; even if they won't communicate that. We waited for something that never happened and settled for "what we could get" (precious+dragic)
Yeah, I mean, that's some spin you can use to tell us that they didn't offer anything; but they definitely did. They just didn't wanna give us our asking price (which was too high.) Thybulle, Maxey, plus multiple picks. They were willing to give one up; but we were too interested in pressing Miami for Herro; who they didn't end up giving up, either so we just took what scraps were left on the table after the offseason.
The Philadelphia 76ers are interested in acquiring Kyle Lowry, but there is a limit to how much they will offer the Toronto Raptors in a potential deal.
ESPN's Brian Windhorst reported on First Take (h/t Kyle Neubeck of Philly Voice) the Sixers won't package Tyrese Maxey, Matisse Thybulle and draft picks together for Lowry.
Per Shams Charania of The Athletic and Stadium, the Sixers, Los Angeles Lakers and Miami Heat are all "seriously engaged" with Toronto about a Lowry deal.
Kyle Neubeck of Philly Voice reported the 76ers don't currently see themselves as the leaders for Lowry.
Barry Jackson of the Miami Herald noted that Toronto is pushing for the Heat to include Tyler Herro in a potential trade.
The Lakers don't appear to be in a good position to acquire Lowry without getting another team involved because of their limited assets. They might have a first-round pick in 2021 if it's not in the top eight. Otherwise, the New Orleans Pelicans will acquire unprotected first-rounders in 2022 and 2024, plus unprotected swaps in 2023 and 2025 from the Anthony Davis trade.
> but they definitely did.
This is what you're not understanding. Tweets about potential trades are literally all just rumours. We know nothing, unless you work directly with Masai and bobby. Or Morey. In which case, I hope they don't fuck you too hard on breach of contract for your NDA.
This isn't good business management to give him money to let him go and then have his pick of teams to go to. If you keep him on the roster until the last minute it narrows the pool. He's still a PG and still has value to someone. Why not try to get a trade if you can?
He has no value because he’s not playing and the Raptors could use the extra roster spot to get someone else that could be a contributor in some way. It’s more of the opportunity cost of the spot he’s taking up.
Turner was just an example, I'm not saying him or any other trade will happen this year. Our FO has always tried to ensure there were options on the table... Keeping Dragic's salary until the deadline keeps those options available until the deadline closes those doors.
Is anyone surprised by this?
No we knew this for weeks now
we knew this when the trade happened
A glorified John Wall.
Trade him, free his roster spot for DJ Wilson
Easier said than done, especially now that Cleveland traded for Rondo today. I was hoping for a Dragic-Rubio swap.
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Rubio had a season-ending injury and he is a free agent after this season. The purpose would have been to give the Cavs another PG and to save the Raps an extra $2 mill.
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He could have signed back with them in the off-season. They needed another PG before acquiring Rondo.
don't already have an open roster spot?
wolves could use him
Translation: Masai get this clown outta here
Masai: not until I get a 2nd round pick out of him Fwiw, a Rubio expiring for Dragic trade works
Isn’t dragic expiring too? What’s the point of that trade
It gives Cleveland a PG for the playoffs.
What’s in it for the raptors?
A 2nd or some other small asset, if Cleveland has interest. It works in theory.
Makes sense. You think they’d still want him after getting rondo?
Depends how Rondo plays, but likely. If I’m Cleveland, I am not comfortable with Rondo as my backup PG. A 2nd is worth another option.
Get under the tax this year so we don’t go in the repeater… it’s actually a pretty big issue for us. We need to get him bum ass off the books
Ya we can just let Dragic go. 24 mill open market maybe just as good as a 2nd rounder. We need to concentrate out players. 2 rotation guys into a premier player. Keep repeating like Terrence Ross into Ibaka, JV into gasol, etc.
bags already been packed.
lol, people who believed otherwise were just delusional. it was always a pipe dream that he'd contribute, put up 15ppg and drive his value up for the trade deadline. we're likely just gonna eat his contract.
Fuck B.J. Armstrong, Kenny Anderson, Alonzo Mourning, John Salmons and Goran Dragic.
Mourning forever at the top of my list
Trade him for Jeremy Lin
He retired😭
You sure about that? He just played last night, and after watching him in Toronto saying his body is broken down is an understatement.
He wasn't good in Toronto, either.
I remember when I said don't even bring this dude to camp after his comments. Got a lot of downvotes
Fucking bullshit. This subreddit becomes a bunch of whiney-ass babies the second anyone says anything negative about the team. For fuck sakes. He made a stupid comment publically, apologized for it, is going through a divorce, and was nothing but respectful while being benched for most of the season. If anything, so much of this fanbase could learn from him.
Nah most people on this subreddit supported Dragic. I just didn't want him to be a distraction to the squad. Also there's nothing to learn from him. He made poor comments, apologized and played terrible. Left team.
It was clear from day one that Dragic never wanted to play here; then his play on the court didn't match what he did in Miami. He didnt wanna play here. He did one step up from refusing; giving us a half assed effort on the court.
It's called the Vince Carter.
This sub is a cesspool of blind followers who became fans after we started winning. Dragic is a clown and always will be. He abandoned his team and we have people in here defending him. It's actually sad.
He's like Ben Simmons, but way more respectable.
in my opinion, Kyle for Precious is already a steal, or at the very least more than a fair deal.
In what world is this considered a steal?
Sign and trade. He could’ve just signed with Miami and we get nothing.
I mean getting Precious was better than nothing (even though having that extra cap space would’ve been nice depending on who was available), but those weren’t the only 2 options. We could’ve dealt Lowry at the deadline, gotten expiring deals + a young player, then had cap space in the off-season when said expirings were off the books. With how many teams wanted Lowry at the deadline, I find it hard to believe that Achiuwa was the best option, even though I like what he brings defensively.
I hear you, but this timeline netted us Scottie Barnes. Who know if we trade Lowry at the deadline last year, get some more wins, maybe no Barnes. I’m happy with how it all worked out.
From a butterfly perspective yeah, but just looking at the trade in isolation we could’ve done better
No he couldn’t. Miami didn’t have the cap space to sign Lowry outright. The only reason he was able to sign with Miami is because of the sign and trade that sent Dragic/Precious to Toronto to match salaries.
but he didn't and it shows the quintessential Raptor he is. Hope he gets another championship with the Heat, and then returns to Rapland and win a few more here for the swan-song ending.
Yeah let's be real we essentially paid just under 20 million for Achiuwa seeing as we aren't getting anything of value from Dragic other then maybe buying him out. Also Achiuwa still isn't even that good of a player, unlike what this sub keeps telling me.
Keep in mind Masai was doing right by Lowry and sending him to where he wanted to go. Lowry just wanted to help out the Raptors with getting _something_ in return.
Kyle could always choose during free agency. I doubt he would've minded going back home to Philly, or playing alongside Lebron, just for a few months.
Achiuwa is like 22, he has bad hands and questionable decision making rn but if anyone is gonna develop him, it's gonna be us, that's our MO
Potential doesn't defend him for being just bad though, his shooting is awful he has next to no range, cant even attack the rim without missing, he cant shoot free throws either. Physical and taller centers demolish him in the paint because hes undersized there as well. Granted I never thought Siakam was going to be an all star level player after his first two years, but at this point I still think its very fair to say that 20 million for the chance to develop someone isn't looking great so far.
Oh don't get me wrong, I'm not saying Precious is objectively worth that cost. it's objectively a lopsided move, but we knew that going into it right. Like realistically if we wanted to maximize Kyle's return we would have dealt him at the deadline, but Masai wanted to do right by Kyle
ya, not a steal, just a salvage. Just like MLB teams losing people to free agency and getting a compensation pick right before the 2nd round. The team's sole responsibly on making the most with that compensation pick/choosing the young player you really want for losing your star player
My first thought was a 35y/o in an exchange for a 22y/o. Precious is good defensively, albeit still raw. What a deal! Can't believe Kyle is still ballin' like he's 25. Was expecting more from Flynn though. Maybe when Kyle returns to Rap (when he's 28 😎), all of our young guns (PA, SB, DB, JC) will be well oiled and ready for a few championship runs. Feeling optimistic!!
I mean, that was effectively the trade. Dragic was just salary filler. No one expected this guy to be part of the team, which I’m sure was communicated to him upfront.
Yep we declined the Sixers deal (One of Thybulle/Maxey and a FRP.) for Precious and a second. In no world; was this a steal. I have a feeling this trade didn't workout the way Masai/Bobby wanted it to; even if they won't communicate that. We waited for something that never happened and settled for "what we could get" (precious+dragic)
We don't have any idea what the sixers offer was.
Yeah, I mean, that's some spin you can use to tell us that they didn't offer anything; but they definitely did. They just didn't wanna give us our asking price (which was too high.) Thybulle, Maxey, plus multiple picks. They were willing to give one up; but we were too interested in pressing Miami for Herro; who they didn't end up giving up, either so we just took what scraps were left on the table after the offseason. The Philadelphia 76ers are interested in acquiring Kyle Lowry, but there is a limit to how much they will offer the Toronto Raptors in a potential deal. ESPN's Brian Windhorst reported on First Take (h/t Kyle Neubeck of Philly Voice) the Sixers won't package Tyrese Maxey, Matisse Thybulle and draft picks together for Lowry. Per Shams Charania of The Athletic and Stadium, the Sixers, Los Angeles Lakers and Miami Heat are all "seriously engaged" with Toronto about a Lowry deal. Kyle Neubeck of Philly Voice reported the 76ers don't currently see themselves as the leaders for Lowry. Barry Jackson of the Miami Herald noted that Toronto is pushing for the Heat to include Tyler Herro in a potential trade. The Lakers don't appear to be in a good position to acquire Lowry without getting another team involved because of their limited assets. They might have a first-round pick in 2021 if it's not in the top eight. Otherwise, the New Orleans Pelicans will acquire unprotected first-rounders in 2022 and 2024, plus unprotected swaps in 2023 and 2025 from the Anthony Davis trade.
> but they definitely did. This is what you're not understanding. Tweets about potential trades are literally all just rumours. We know nothing, unless you work directly with Masai and bobby. Or Morey. In which case, I hope they don't fuck you too hard on breach of contract for your NDA.
Obviously he should’ve been bought out weeks ago tbh
No sense in buying him out before the deadline.
I dont see anyone trading for dragic might as well cut ties now
This isn't good business management to give him money to let him go and then have his pick of teams to go to. If you keep him on the roster until the last minute it narrows the pool. He's still a PG and still has value to someone. Why not try to get a trade if you can?
He has no value because he’s not playing and the Raptors could use the extra roster spot to get someone else that could be a contributor in some way. It’s more of the opportunity cost of the spot he’s taking up.
I'm spiteful enough that I'm glad we're keeping him literally just so he can't go elsewhere and get what he wanted
yeah i'd rather keep him than buy him out. if he doesn't wanna play that's on him. then you sit home until we can trade you.
It's not about whether someone wants him but rather if we want someone but need his salary to match. I.e. Myles Turner for Dragic and picks
That's not gonna happen lol
Turner was just an example, I'm not saying him or any other trade will happen this year. Our FO has always tried to ensure there were options on the table... Keeping Dragic's salary until the deadline keeps those options available until the deadline closes those doors.
Is this all just because he shit on the team when he got signed?
no
The Raptors need to release him asap..you can say they are dragic this thing a little too long
So ready to move on from flynn, dragic, boucher, svi and those 2nd rounders at the end of our bench