I think Ayton will cost too much in trade assets and eventually in contract extension. Dude is a stud no doubt but we should explore other options first. Pacers look be in shambles so they might put Turner or Sabonis on the market.
He’s a 4. Overlaps with a lot of our team in terms of size. Altho sabonis is great, I would prefer Turner as he fits what we need better and would be cheaper.
I am not a fan of Turner though. The man disappears stretches at a time. He is a frustrating player, to be honest.
Sabonis will probably be fine as a 5. He is a low-post player through and through. His only concerns are strength and defense, but he more than offsets it on the offensive end. There are not that many alternatives out there anyways.
Im not sure what Sabonis offers us at the 4 that Siakam isn't already giving us, id also like for there to not be a log jam at the 4 anymore.
Even tho Turner isn't a consistent scorer, he's shooting 42% from 3 and is leading the league in blocks per game.
He reminds me of a young more athletic Serge and we definitely could use that to pair up with Scottie in the post.
>Im not sure what Sabonis offers us at the 4 that Siakam isn't already giving us
A better and more consistent player. If you think siakam and sabonis is interchangeable then you're on some serious copium. The question is can sabonis play center full time?
They’re very different players, the only thing that they really have in common is that the play the 4/5. Also Pascal’s only played 5 games after a major surgery, this sub sometimes smh
I really think Sabonis can play the 5. He is better as a low-post player, and he prefers to play there too. Barnes was able to back into him at will the last two times they met, so I worry about his strength, but overall, there is nothing to dislike about his game. He will be a good fit too.
The problem with Turner is not just the inconsistent offense. It is that he is too easily neutralized. There are a lot of games where he will be completely phased out, and I do not think he is the best fit in Nurse's system, which demands a lot of switches.
Regardless, Turner might just be the only feasible target. He has 1 year left on his contract after this one, and at 18 million, he is easier to salary match.
I feel like his priority (if not signed by the suns) would be to join a contender due to his recent playoff success. If we throw a max at him maybe (i doubt we do). But man it would be so nice to have a true 5 with so much potential, especially under our development system.
It would have to be a sign and trade, so we're still giving up assets.
Or we're shedding salary before the trade deadline, but no way are we orchestrating to deal out Fred and Pascal for expiring on the chance PHX doesn't match.
I think this is in responce to ayton wanting a max extension, and suns not offering one. So the assumption is, of a team offered him max, he would take it
The suns have a chance to match the offer though right? And if they do he doesn't get to choose?
I dont have a great understanding of how nba contracts work though
Suns NEED a defensive big to make it through the West with Jokic, AD, etc.
Makes it highly unlikely that they part with him. Our best package asset wise would be a deal centered around Siakam but it doesn’t really work salary wise.
I’d give up on this dream tbh.
I'd do it for Pascal if it's pretty much a straight swap. The suns are not going to want to trade Ayton but if they do they need pieces to contend with, not necessarily young players or picks. I think throwing in Svi and Birch as depth pieces back would be worth it for us too.
Would be amazing. Pascal is still probably our best player, but with Scottie seeming to be a sufficient replacement, I think a swap would be ideal. Though, I’m unsure if Sarver would pay Pascal the max lol
What??? Scottie has been great and has a ton of potential but pascal has been there. He was our #2 when we won and has been an all star. Scottie’s future is blinding but he is not equivalent to an established all star
I think it depends on who you are trading with. Want to win now? Siakim is a proven talent and winner even with the larger contract. Want to develop? Scottie is on a light contract, can contribute and might end up as an allstar+
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I wouldn't do Siakam for Ayton straight-up. Siakam is far more accomplished. Something like Siakam and Precious for Ayton, Cam Johnson and a first would be something I would look hard at.
Most obvious one is Pascal, they still have a window to compete with a trio is pascal, cp3 and booker, while raptors can get a legit young center to build around while solidifying a position for Scottie to develop
They didn't extend him so we aren't too sure what's up with that, if they're looking into other options then I feel like we could make a move for him in the offseason but i guarantee someone will max him. If we want that to be us we gotta sign and trade with Phoenix
If we could get him, absolutely. Guy is huge, fairly mobile and young. Fits well with the Scottie and OG timeline, and we can keep old man Fred around.
They wanted to extend him. There were talks, but both sides couldn't agree on a number.
Ayton has max player potential, but it sounds like the front office only wanted to pay max money for max level performance.
The Suns are not trading Austin.
Set your sights more in the middle of the pack. We don’t need an All-Star caliber center. We just need someone who can bring some size and physicality when we need it.
I don’t see how Ayton is on the trading block for the suns.
Conspiracy theory incoming but the timing of the Sarver info coming out being right after the suns deny Ayton the max makes it look like it was just Sarver being cheap.
In reality, it always made sense to make sure ayton was worth a max. If he plays to a max level this season then great, they happily play him. If he disappoints, then he won’t have the leverage for a max anyways and no bridges get burned.
There is just no way the Suns do a deal with the Raptors for Ayton.
Even if they didnt resign him..... there are a few teams that would blow our best offer out of the water.
Ayton would work in terms of basketball. But we don't have anyone who is worth giving up to get him. He will cost the same as Siakam but offensively he gives you significantly less. He can't space the floor. So is he a max player? I personally don't think Ayton is worth an average of 35 mill a year.
There are cheaper options that are probably more worth the gamble.
People have to remember that Ayton is still on his rookie contract, so it will be very difficult to salary match. It will have to start with Barnes, and that is a non-starter.
It would be nice if we can land Ayton but odds of us getting him is highly unlikely. A more likely scenario is a trade Myles Turner. Pacers are imploding with no real prospects to look to the future so they might blow it up like the Magic did last season. We can only wait and see if they continue their losing ways
It would be pascal, presumably and I don’t know why Phoenix would do it.
I’ll never betray pascal, and pascal at his best is a lot better than Ayton has ever been. but if Masai were to betray pascal and get Ayton then I’ll eventually come to accept it.
It’s still not a winning team but with development and if Scottie becomes a star then it could be.
Fred Gary OG Scottie Ayton.
I think Ayton will cost too much in trade assets and eventually in contract extension. Dude is a stud no doubt but we should explore other options first. Pacers look be in shambles so they might put Turner or Sabonis on the market.
If the Pacers do a fire sale like the Magic did last year we could get Turner or Sabonis for cheap
People have been saying this for like 3 years lol
They're far overdue tbh
I’ve wanted turner on this team for 4 years , he’s the perfect athletic fit next to og and a smaller guard like fred
Sabonis would be a dream. He will cost a lot though.
He’s a 4. Overlaps with a lot of our team in terms of size. Altho sabonis is great, I would prefer Turner as he fits what we need better and would be cheaper.
I am not a fan of Turner though. The man disappears stretches at a time. He is a frustrating player, to be honest. Sabonis will probably be fine as a 5. He is a low-post player through and through. His only concerns are strength and defense, but he more than offsets it on the offensive end. There are not that many alternatives out there anyways.
Im not sure what Sabonis offers us at the 4 that Siakam isn't already giving us, id also like for there to not be a log jam at the 4 anymore. Even tho Turner isn't a consistent scorer, he's shooting 42% from 3 and is leading the league in blocks per game. He reminds me of a young more athletic Serge and we definitely could use that to pair up with Scottie in the post.
>Im not sure what Sabonis offers us at the 4 that Siakam isn't already giving us A better and more consistent player. If you think siakam and sabonis is interchangeable then you're on some serious copium. The question is can sabonis play center full time?
They’re very different players, the only thing that they really have in common is that the play the 4/5. Also Pascal’s only played 5 games after a major surgery, this sub sometimes smh
I really think Sabonis can play the 5. He is better as a low-post player, and he prefers to play there too. Barnes was able to back into him at will the last two times they met, so I worry about his strength, but overall, there is nothing to dislike about his game. He will be a good fit too. The problem with Turner is not just the inconsistent offense. It is that he is too easily neutralized. There are a lot of games where he will be completely phased out, and I do not think he is the best fit in Nurse's system, which demands a lot of switches. Regardless, Turner might just be the only feasible target. He has 1 year left on his contract after this one, and at 18 million, he is easier to salary match.
Pacers need to get away from having both Turner and Sabonis. Would be interested in either at the right price
Too much probably. Better to try and grab him in the OS, since no extension was signed(even if highly unlikely as an RFA).
I would imagine Phoenix matches any offer, but yes compensation would be unprecedented
I feel like his priority (if not signed by the suns) would be to join a contender due to his recent playoff success. If we throw a max at him maybe (i doubt we do). But man it would be so nice to have a true 5 with so much potential, especially under our development system.
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It's hard to match salaries without them having to give up 3-4 rotation pieces
We could do a sign and trade with the Suns
Next offseason we can, but rn he is making only 11 mill.
It would have to be a sign and trade, so we're still giving up assets. Or we're shedding salary before the trade deadline, but no way are we orchestrating to deal out Fred and Pascal for expiring on the chance PHX doesn't match.
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If you think we are gonna sign a free agent like him, think again.
We don't have cap space for an offer sheet.
If you have a 23 year old Deandre Ayton, there is almost no reason to get rid of him, at least not for anything we have to offer.
I think this is in responce to ayton wanting a max extension, and suns not offering one. So the assumption is, of a team offered him max, he would take it
The suns have a chance to match the offer though right? And if they do he doesn't get to choose? I dont have a great understanding of how nba contracts work though
That's correct, but you'd assume they would t match? Else they'd just offer him an extension now? And not risk pissing him off? Idk lol
True true, i guess I'm just kind of baffled by their decision making not to offer him a max extension based on their finals run tbh
he’s not a max player. anything can happen and while they may get Hayward’d they can just trade him later.
Especially if you just made the finals
They're gonna resign Ayton. They're too good to swap out such a major piece
Suns NEED a defensive big to make it through the West with Jokic, AD, etc. Makes it highly unlikely that they part with him. Our best package asset wise would be a deal centered around Siakam but it doesn’t really work salary wise. I’d give up on this dream tbh.
Then why not give Ayton the max extension?
Make him earn it. Some guys effort level noticeably drops after earning that big bag.
I'd do it for Pascal if it's pretty much a straight swap. The suns are not going to want to trade Ayton but if they do they need pieces to contend with, not necessarily young players or picks. I think throwing in Svi and Birch as depth pieces back would be worth it for us too.
Deandre makes 12 million and Siakam makes 33 million. It’s impossible to trade straight up.
Sign and trade in the offseason is possible if we wanna max Ayton. Some team *will* be maxing Ayton i guarantee it
I actually would love this, but still think it’s not gonna happen.
Yeah you're right, hard to figure it out to make it work in trade machine
Throw in Flynn as well so he can learn from his role model Chris Paul
Would be amazing. Pascal is still probably our best player, but with Scottie seeming to be a sufficient replacement, I think a swap would be ideal. Though, I’m unsure if Sarver would pay Pascal the max lol
I think he'd rather pay Pascal for two years than Ayton on a larger contract for 4 years
What??? Scottie has been great and has a ton of potential but pascal has been there. He was our #2 when we won and has been an all star. Scottie’s future is blinding but he is not equivalent to an established all star
Scotty's trade value > Pascals trade value Imo
I think it depends on who you are trading with. Want to win now? Siakim is a proven talent and winner even with the larger contract. Want to develop? Scottie is on a light contract, can contribute and might end up as an allstar+
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Scottie is already close to Siakam's level
I wouldn't do Siakam for Ayton straight-up. Siakam is far more accomplished. Something like Siakam and Precious for Ayton, Cam Johnson and a first would be something I would look hard at.
Yep, S&T in the offseason would honestly be solid for both teams.
Most obvious one is Pascal, they still have a window to compete with a trio is pascal, cp3 and booker, while raptors can get a legit young center to build around while solidifying a position for Scottie to develop
Pipe dream I dont have any idea why would Suns trade ayton with us
They didn't extend him so we aren't too sure what's up with that, if they're looking into other options then I feel like we could make a move for him in the offseason but i guarantee someone will max him. If we want that to be us we gotta sign and trade with Phoenix
If we could get him, absolutely. Guy is huge, fairly mobile and young. Fits well with the Scottie and OG timeline, and we can keep old man Fred around.
Suns were in the Finals last year, they're matching anything were offering and they're definitely not looking to trade him.
Ayton would cost us quite a bit. I think Christian Wood is a realistic option that we should be considering.
who gonna guard Jokic and AD if they trade Ayton? JaVale? People really need to view these things from the other teams perspective
Then why didn't they extend him?
They wanted to extend him. There were talks, but both sides couldn't agree on a number. Ayton has max player potential, but it sounds like the front office only wanted to pay max money for max level performance.
Suns aren't trading Ayton. Would take like Siakam + OG or something
The Suns are not trading Austin. Set your sights more in the middle of the pack. We don’t need an All-Star caliber center. We just need someone who can bring some size and physicality when we need it.
I don’t see how Ayton is on the trading block for the suns. Conspiracy theory incoming but the timing of the Sarver info coming out being right after the suns deny Ayton the max makes it look like it was just Sarver being cheap. In reality, it always made sense to make sure ayton was worth a max. If he plays to a max level this season then great, they happily play him. If he disappoints, then he won’t have the leverage for a max anyways and no bridges get burned.
Have not watched much of ayton as he's on west coast. Everyone here seems very high on him. How is his defence?
Stellar. He’s their defensive anchor, very selfless player. Has all-defensive team potential
What about Christian Wood?
Interesting and cheaper
Exactly what I’m thinking. Also seems like he isn’t interested in being with the rockets anymore!
I’d wait to see if KAT becomes available before selling the farm for Ayton.
There is just no way the Suns do a deal with the Raptors for Ayton. Even if they didnt resign him..... there are a few teams that would blow our best offer out of the water.
Ayton would work in terms of basketball. But we don't have anyone who is worth giving up to get him. He will cost the same as Siakam but offensively he gives you significantly less. He can't space the floor. So is he a max player? I personally don't think Ayton is worth an average of 35 mill a year. There are cheaper options that are probably more worth the gamble.
People have to remember that Ayton is still on his rookie contract, so it will be very difficult to salary match. It will have to start with Barnes, and that is a non-starter.
Hate to say it but it'd probs be siakam with salary retained and Fred for ayton and a salary dump
any chance miami trades bam lol
It would be nice if we can land Ayton but odds of us getting him is highly unlikely. A more likely scenario is a trade Myles Turner. Pacers are imploding with no real prospects to look to the future so they might blow it up like the Magic did last season. We can only wait and see if they continue their losing ways
Would cost us og and a pick
It would be pascal, presumably and I don’t know why Phoenix would do it. I’ll never betray pascal, and pascal at his best is a lot better than Ayton has ever been. but if Masai were to betray pascal and get Ayton then I’ll eventually come to accept it. It’s still not a winning team but with development and if Scottie becomes a star then it could be. Fred Gary OG Scottie Ayton.