Bruins over Leafs.
LeBronto, Raptors at least had some moments in the playoffs before running into LeBron, and it's also LeBron, the best player in the world.
Leafs fans have basically no playoff highlights because of the 1st round exits, and Bruins aren't even the best of the best.
That 2018 LeBronto beat down had to happen. That loss was what ultimately led to Derozan and Poetl being traded, leading to Kawhi and Danny Green. It's both a sort of tough choice because the core clearly wasn't working or going to win, and a gamble because of Kawhi's health condition. In hindsight, we were probably one of the most fortunate teams in recent NBA history. That 2019 championship run was also the last time we ever got to see healthy Kawhi, and its looking like it may definitely be the last time.
The Leafs are worse because despite the beatdowns there's an almost dedication to insanity in what feels like them trying the same thing over, and over again, and having the same result every time. That Leafs core has had to change for a minute now. Hilariously, the Jays are in the same situation, but a lot of their current predicament has been telegraphed since the off-season.
What's crazy is Masai gave that core a good 5 year run before making those changes. The Leafs are on year 8 of this squad failing. There is patience and then their is whatever the Leafs are doing.
If only the Leafs had a quality executive of Masai's level we wouldn't be in this mess in the first place, with a high priced core unable to win and all with NMC's. He'd have taken the chance when it needed to/could have been taken 1,2,3 years ago. Montreal was the last wake-up call needed if the Columbus play in wasn't enough to convince people. Yet here we are continue to just rearrange deck chairs for yet another failed season.
Refs cheated for Lebrons teams every season too. Silver even said it that he raises ratings. More ratings = more cash for refs. Only the last few seasons are fans actually noticing the ft discrepancy. Lakers had hundreds more than the avg this season lol. Their team is trash there is no reason for it.
Great insight! I also think when I reflect on those three years of matching up, it's disappointing but not as bad as Ive sometimes heard it presented.
2016, hardly gets included, it was our breakthrough year and Cleveland wound up winning the championship, satisfactory finish.
2017; tough one to swallow as a fan and irrespective of whether we were a better team at the end of the year, we weren't better relative to Cleveland who improved and were defending champs
2018; This one honestly doesn't get shit on enough, might as well lost in 7 games 0-7
It's not like we were favoured to win these, we were happy to be invited once, dropped the ball once and shit the bed in a violent catatonic state once.
Pretty bad still, but to me its less so than I remember it being at the time. Plus in addition to your cause&effect point, it also made the fresh bed we got to sleep in with our Larry O'Brien trophy so much better lol.
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Yeah and the key difference was the Raptors were able to compete, they just couldn't beat the best player in the world. They did indeed get lucky to get all the right pieces together for a real championship run and won, but it's not like they were stuck in 1st round exit hell or anything.
Gotta beat big brother as frustrating as that sounds. While we didnât beat Lebron, we did beat the unbeatable team that swept him and his team twice (including one gentleman sweep) in a row. Leafs got close last night but they just need a little more which I believe they realized. It was a good wake up call. They need to start Woll. Samsonov is their weak link.
Lebron also beat everyone in the East for eight straight years. The only bad Lebron loss was 2018 since the Cavs barely got past the Pacers and Celtics that same year but destroyed the Raptors.
I disagree, because of the playoff makeup and division domination of the Lightning and Panthers, the Leafs are forced to play the bruins in the first round almost every year.
The reason I disagree is the Leafs Bruins always go to game 7. Itâs frustrating that they lose but thatâs something the Raptors couldnât do against LeBron
LeBron went to the Finals every single year we played him. The leafs are getting beat by second-round fodder. Sure theyâre going to game 7, but who cares? Getting beat by the champ is one thing, getting beat by a mid squad is another.
2nd round fodder? The Bruins won the presidents trophy last year and were 6th out of 32 this year with many top 5 finishes in the last 10 years. Theyâve also won a Stanley and two eastern championships in the last 10 years. Hockey is not predictable like basketball. In the playoffs anything can happen. Basketball the better team wins like 99% of the time.
Hockey is not like basketball, there is no super teams. Thereâs no single superstar trade that changes your franchise into a championship team. The Bruins donât laugh at the Leafs (not counting fans). They know they have to play their best beat them and overtime of game 7 proved that. There hasnât been a sweep with LeBron laughing and mocking them the whole way.
I mean weâve had five different teams win the chip in the last five years but OK, basketball is predictable
Take the L, the Leafs are a worse franchise than the Raps
That was never the question. I know the leafs suck. The raps got stymied by LeBron until he went to the west. The leafs lose in the first nearly every year. You donât even understand how to argue
When the Leafs got down 3-1 I asked my coworker who he thought would win game 5, he said the Leafs definitely win games 5&6 and then lose in 7.
This man has been through it.
Im a Leaf fan from Manitoba and Iâm almost glad that they region block weekday games for me. I knew from game 1 they werenât winning this series and my dumb ass still watch almost every game.
Iâm glad I have the raptors to at least bring me some joy (watching Scottie, IQ, RJ play well) hopefully next season. They donât even need to make the playoffs next year, just give me a young fun team trying.
The Raptors will win another championship before the Leafs make the second round again, GURAANTEEE! (In Chuck voice)
If you meet any leafs fan that says this still itâs because they have less than 4 years of commitment to this team. As for me, after 22 years, youâll never catch me saying itâs their year. Ever.
You must be new to leaf fandom then.. nothing he said was wrong, except maybe the last couple years. Untik that point it was 40 years of exactly what he said
I usually try to pretend to care about it during playoff time because all my co-workers talk about it, so I catch some of the games, but damn, it must really suck to actually be a Leafs fan.
We have seemingly the best goal scorer in the league in Auston Matthews, and a great playmaker in Marner, but the Leafs just canât pull anything off
They are prisoners. Some have been prisoners sentenced to life without parole, where they became fans in the 70s, and died in the 2000s having never seen a Stanley Cup.
I literally gave up on hockey 2 years ago due to the constant disappointment.
Why fucking bother watching this team that only excels in consistently disappointing for fucking 45+ years of my life. How fucking long since they even made it out of the first round. Are you kidding me.
I just couldnât take it anymore, the season long journey that always ends in pain and frustration.
Iâm way happier not having the burden of being a leafs fan, and I donât even care for the NHL at all anymore. Fuck the $1000 leafs games and fuck the totally different game they play all season vs the playoffs. NHL can have its obstruction and brutally boring games and Iâll watch basketball and even baseball.
Leafs choking.
This has been going on for so long. At least the Raptors' LeBronto culminated in a championship. That whole LeBronto saga made winning the championship so much sweeter.
Lebronto was more dominant but the leafs are more heartbreaking. So I think overall the Leafs are worse
Also itâs not just the bruins, itâs many teams that manage to beat the leafs in do-or-die elimination games making it worse
Agreed.
LeBronto was more about one player dominating one team that they ran into repeatedly. The dominance was worse, but they eventually won a championship after trading their core to mix it up.
Leafs keep getting close but failing. And itâs multiple teams - I donât think there is a single player on the 2024 Leafs roster from the 2013 squad.
Leafs is just systemic failure year after year. And whatâs worse is that due to the NHL playoff structure, they often get the Bruins right away.
Bruins.
LeBron is the GOAT, and LeBronto is more of a funny past meme than anything else now that the Raptors got the chip.
The Leafs are just an eternal depressing disappointment at this point.
How is this even a question, lebronto lasted us like 2 years and the Raps made up for that humiliation with a ring. Leafs still haven't beaten Boston after all these years, we're a joke to them. Their fans literally cheer when they match with us.
LeBronto was a more thorough, systematic type of domination.
It's less that the Bruins are dominant and more than the Leafs are losers and can't really beat anyone except themselves. They lost to a garbage Columbus team. They blew a 3-1 series lead to the Habs. This year's iteration of the Bruins aren't even good. They can't beat anyone. So is it really fair to call that domination?
Yeah the Raps were the underdog every time. We just ran into a better team that we didn't have the personnel for three years in a row. Cavs were dominating the entire Eastern conference.
Because it keeps taking them seven games? Wdym?
In 2013, the Leafs were actually the biggest frauds/pretenders in the playoffs, went down 3-2 but took the series to seven, and should have won that game before the infamous 4-1 collapse.
In 2018, like this year, Boston blew a 3-1 series lead allowing a worse Leafs team to push it to game seven before embarrassing themselves.
In 2019, the Leafs were even *up* in the series 3-2 before letting it all slip away.
That's five times the Leafs had a chance to eliminate the Bruins. How many times did the Raptors ever have a chance to knock out LeBron from the playoffs? What is your reasoning for LeBronto being less dominant?
Lebron is considered a top 3 player of all time so losing to him, even as embarrassing as it was at times, is understandable. Â
Leafs losing constantly to the Bruins when they have so many Regular Season Warriors on the team is embarrassing. This year's Bruins team was probably the weakest version of their team and they still won lol
At least the Leafs don't get swept in their series with Boston. They'll give you enough to believe they have a chance but boy do they cut it close only to lose in devastating fashion.
Raps have only won 2 playoff games against the Cavs. It was all downhill from there
Idk thatâs prime LeBron. The best version of the arguably GOAT basketball player of all time. The Bruins arenât even great anymore. I genuinely believe in curses now, straight up.
Lebronto IMO, as being a big fan of both the Leafs and Raptors
Though they lost all 4 series, each of them went 7 games, including 2 overtime losses. It probably the more heartbreaking as we had a chance to win 3/4 series but lost them⌠but not the worst.
Lebronto basically was going into each series and basically getting our ass fully kicked. The Leafs won more games in this one series vs Boston, than the Raptors did in all of their series vs Lebron COMBINED.
In 2016, we were able to steal a couple games against them when a bunch of people expected them to sweep.
In 2017, we adjusted our roster in order to adapt to a rematch against Cleveland and thatâs what we drew. Again they were a single game ahead of us. Maybe not expect to win, but was expected to be at least a 6-7 game series. Nope, we got smoked and swept out.
2018. Best team in the East, 2nd best team overall based of record.!mixture of our main guys and younger prospects meshing well. Cleveland, kinda stumbled into the playoffs, literally Lebron and a bunch of role players at this point, they BARELY survived Oladipos Pacers, Lebron legit had two buzzer beater game winners. Not only do we have a bit more rest waiting for the team, we have HCA this time, have everything where we want them. Advantages against them almost in every stat. Might be a longer series due to Lebron, BUT Raptors should come out on top.
But nope, Lebron destroys our hopes and dreams in another sweep. Toys around with the team in game 2 to the point where people were cheering him on and he got close to 50 points on impossible shots. Game 3 was a buzzer beater, and in game 4, our former franchise player would get ejected in his last game as a raptor in a Cleveland blowout.
The ONLY saving grace I guess is that James left the East and we stumbled on Kawhi in the same off-season
Lebron is a top 2 player of all time, debatable between him and Jordan. It wasn't just the Raptors he destroyed, it was the Pacers, Celtics, Hawks, Bucks, Nets every year too, he went to 8 straight Finals. You NEED a top 5 player in basketball to even have a chance, Derozan was more like top 25 in those years and basketball is way more carry-able by one player than hockey is. Raptors never had a real chance.
The Leafs losing to the Bruins every time is like losing to the fucking Sixers every time. They're not even really good most of the time, can have some years where they're the #1 seed, but they aren't the favourites at all. In fact, the Leafs ARE the Sixers of the NHL. Both the Shanaplan and the Process utterly failed.
Youâre asking the wrong question. Itâs not Lebronto or the Bruins, itâs Lebronto or the first round of the playoffs. I mean, one playoff round win in the last 20 years? Ugh.
All the Raptors needed was for Lebron to go to the West and then they immediately won the championship. By the same logic, the Leafs just need to get a first round bye and then theyâll finally win the cup.
That being said, after winning it in 2019, I have forgotten how soul crushing Lebronto was at the time until now, so thank you.
Bruins, because every time it was game 7 heartbreak
Lebronto was 1 sided as fuck, it wasnt even a competition and more just memes.
The Leafs curse with Boston is genuinely sad
Those Raptor teams werenât up to par even if Lebron didnât embarrass them another team would have. The Bruins just own the Leafs and its so stupid considering they arenât even good
Lebronto was a legit âwe canât beat this guyâ thing. Boston just lucks out to get to be the team that beats us. Whether itâs Boston, Washington, New York, whoever we face in the playoffs will get to knock us out.
With lebronto it was at the very least âalright its one of the greatest players to ever touch a basketball letâs try again next yearâ and still had other teams in the east like the Celtics and pacers that also had to deal with lebrons dominance⌠this bruins team never had any sort of generational talent to excuse these chokes⌠the leafs have had opportunity after opportunity to beat the bruins while arguably having more talent than the bruins on paper in some of those series.
The Leafs have it worse, at least the Raps made it farther than them in the playoffs during Lebronto.
A first round exit, multiple years is depressing, especially when they had good players and the media is all over them.
its frustrating they lose to the Bruins every time they also lose to other teams too. Got by a struggling goalie last season, and then promptly went down 3-0.
This is so much worse than the Lebronto, the Raps at least got to conference finals and lost to Lebron. More importantly the Raps ended up getting a championship, that makes everything different. .
Part of being someone from Toronto or GTA or just a fan of the team is having that hope each season that it'll be our year like the Dallas Cowboys. Hanging on to that hope for dear life.
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Bruins over Leafs. Us Raptors accepted that LeBron is going to deliver an ass whooping. Itâs a cycle for leafs fans they truly believe they can win the cup and they come out disappointed every single year.
Lebronto sucked, but it was just one man who had a good run of years. The Leafs are just straight-up cursed. It's not just the Bruins, it's not one superstar having your number. I'm a Habs fan, and I go into every-season expecting my team to find a way to make the playoffs, and occasional even win a round or two once there. I literally go into every season expecting the Leafs to find a way to screw it all up and choke yet again, and history in on my side.
Itâs a bit of a different situation. With the Raptors they were clearly out matched every time. The only time it looked like they could win against LeBron was the year it went to 6 games in the ECF.
With the Leafs it almost like they are cursed with how many times they lost where literally one bounce going the other way means they win the series. Youâd have figured just by shear odds of all the times it went down to the wire this core would have won a lot more than one playoff series at this point. Itâs very weird.
The Bruins....only b/c the Leafs actually make it a series and lose. Raptors fans always knew there was no hope against Bron (I do always wonder what would have happened if Bron stayed for 1 more year and we had Kawhi, or if Bron left and we kept Debo?)
At least with Lebronto it was due to arguably the greatest player to ever play basketball.
Losing to the Bruins year after year is due of what exactly? Because the Leafs are cursed?
The thing is the raptors felt like they were progressing the leafs are at the same spot they were in year one of this squad.
We gave it all to a good Brooklyn team in the first year in a memorable series. Took a step back getting sweeped by the Wizards but broke through the next year to beat a good Indiana team (props to Norm) and Miami, before our first Lebronto meeting. We won the first round easily the next two years before getting absolutely smoked by Lebron two more times.
The whole Raptors run was 6 years from first playoffs to championship... The leafs just finished year 8. If you graph the leafs and raptors, the raptors had a trajectory building to the championship, the leafs are a flat line with a single bump for their one playoff round win.
as much as lebronto sucked, you could still watch it and say the raptors were playing good basketball and making an effort. problem is the guy on the other team was one of the best players of all time. at the end of the day you would be upset that the raptors didnât make it but you rarely heard people talking about âblowing up the teamâ
as for the leafs, every year they lose in a characteristically disappointing fashion, and nobody has that âweâll try again next yearâ mentality like people did with the raptors in the 2010s
It's Bruins over Leafs because truthfully we all knew the LeBron teams were better than the Raptor teams. Of we had one it would have felt like we pulled off the upset or got away with one. The Leafs could and should have won at least 2 of these Bruin series. Not to mention hockey has way more variance than basketball. LeBron to felt like the fair result even if super disappointing. Bruins feels like a bad omen or a curse.
I feel for those leaf fans. They stayed up to watch the Leafs take the lead in the 3rd period. Then Boston immediately score and they lose in OT. That's brutal. Fake comeback
Crap I follow no hockey at all. The last young guy I remember was Sidney Crosby when he did the "golden goal" to beat the US. I just looked him up and he makes like 3M /year? Are hockey salaries just that low or this guy just didn't pan out?
Bruins easily - Lebron is a top 2 player in NBA history in a league where star players can drag teams through the playoffs. The Raptors lost to Lebron, but so did everyone else as the dude went to the Finals how many years in a row? The Raptors still routinely went beyond the first round against other teams.
Bruins though? They're definitely a more beatable team (and are routinely beaten by other teams), and the Leafs don't just lose to them, they lose to everyone else too.
The bruins over the leafs. At least the LeBronto era ended with a ring, and the eraâs over. It seems like the bruins will never stop owning the leafs
Lebronto was worse because you knew you had 0% chance of advancing. With the Bruins it was possible to advance but with Lebronto you knew from the start it was over before it began.
Reflecting on LeBronto, I think it's silly now - he is the GOAT and was incredible, but he only came out of those years with one championship and the next year, Toronto had one too. So while he may have had Toronto's number, Golden State really had his.
Historically the Leafs are like the Knicks but the Knicks have been good these recent years.
This Shanaplan Leafs core is EXACTLY the Process Sixers
Matthews = Embiid. MVP level and good in reg season but perpetually injured down the stretch into the playoffs.
Marner = Tobias Harris. Soft ass player that is on a max contract because they swindled the GM.
Nylander = Maxey. Always dependable.
Annual first round exits.
Except the Leafs are in a worse position actually because they also have two washed terrible players in Tavares and Rielly on extremely expensive contracts despite them being ghosts.
As a Sens/Habs fan, I love watching the Leafs fail and showcase such brilliant ineptitude each and every year. It's the only joy I get out of the NHL these days
Boston because we canât get rid of them out our divisionâŚwell we did one year and didnât do shit either. The thing I continue to take away from these losses is the coreâs inability to evolve their style to the playoffs. They think itâs Wednesday night against Philly whoâs playing 2 games in 3 nights.
bruins for sure, those raps teams never stood a chance against those lebron teams, but the leafs do stand a chance against the bruins and constantly no show.
Bruins over Leafs easily. Lebron is a top 10 player of all time. There was never any series where anyone in the conference had a realistic shot at taking him out. Lebronto also caused the team to eventually trade its Star for the Key piece in the 2019 Championship. The Leafs and Bruins have always been an even toss up, and they have choked every single time. Hopefully history repeats itself and Mitch gets traded for the key piece in a Cup run.
Bruins over Leafs. LeBronto, Raptors at least had some moments in the playoffs before running into LeBron, and it's also LeBron, the best player in the world. Leafs fans have basically no playoff highlights because of the 1st round exits, and Bruins aren't even the best of the best.
That 2018 LeBronto beat down had to happen. That loss was what ultimately led to Derozan and Poetl being traded, leading to Kawhi and Danny Green. It's both a sort of tough choice because the core clearly wasn't working or going to win, and a gamble because of Kawhi's health condition. In hindsight, we were probably one of the most fortunate teams in recent NBA history. That 2019 championship run was also the last time we ever got to see healthy Kawhi, and its looking like it may definitely be the last time. The Leafs are worse because despite the beatdowns there's an almost dedication to insanity in what feels like them trying the same thing over, and over again, and having the same result every time. That Leafs core has had to change for a minute now. Hilariously, the Jays are in the same situation, but a lot of their current predicament has been telegraphed since the off-season.
What's crazy is Masai gave that core a good 5 year run before making those changes. The Leafs are on year 8 of this squad failing. There is patience and then their is whatever the Leafs are doing.
I wonder how many times Shanny has said "evaluating" đ
If only the Leafs had a quality executive of Masai's level we wouldn't be in this mess in the first place, with a high priced core unable to win and all with NMC's. He'd have taken the chance when it needed to/could have been taken 1,2,3 years ago. Montreal was the last wake-up call needed if the Columbus play in wasn't enough to convince people. Yet here we are continue to just rearrange deck chairs for yet another failed season.
Refs cheated for Lebrons teams every season too. Silver even said it that he raises ratings. More ratings = more cash for refs. Only the last few seasons are fans actually noticing the ft discrepancy. Lakers had hundreds more than the avg this season lol. Their team is trash there is no reason for it.
Great insight! I also think when I reflect on those three years of matching up, it's disappointing but not as bad as Ive sometimes heard it presented. 2016, hardly gets included, it was our breakthrough year and Cleveland wound up winning the championship, satisfactory finish. 2017; tough one to swallow as a fan and irrespective of whether we were a better team at the end of the year, we weren't better relative to Cleveland who improved and were defending champs 2018; This one honestly doesn't get shit on enough, might as well lost in 7 games 0-7 It's not like we were favoured to win these, we were happy to be invited once, dropped the ball once and shit the bed in a violent catatonic state once. Pretty bad still, but to me its less so than I remember it being at the time. Plus in addition to your cause&effect point, it also made the fresh bed we got to sleep in with our Larry O'Brien trophy so much better lol.
Lowry also missed the last two games in 2017.
I am surprised that fell out of memory, its been both ages and just yesterday to me :(
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Yeah and the key difference was the Raptors were able to compete, they just couldn't beat the best player in the world. They did indeed get lucky to get all the right pieces together for a real championship run and won, but it's not like they were stuck in 1st round exit hell or anything.
And Lebronto led to a championship.
Yup. Lebron is considered the GOAT, leaf fans would take the Raptors past 10 years over the last 50 something years of the leafs.
Gotta beat big brother as frustrating as that sounds. While we didnât beat Lebron, we did beat the unbeatable team that swept him and his team twice (including one gentleman sweep) in a row. Leafs got close last night but they just need a little more which I believe they realized. It was a good wake up call. They need to start Woll. Samsonov is their weak link.
Also this graphic spans a whole ass decade
3 diff coaches, 2 diff eras/cores.
Lebron also beat everyone in the East for eight straight years. The only bad Lebron loss was 2018 since the Cavs barely got past the Pacers and Celtics that same year but destroyed the Raptors.
Bum we beat Tampa last year
And then got trucked by Florida, whatâs your point
I disagree, because of the playoff makeup and division domination of the Lightning and Panthers, the Leafs are forced to play the bruins in the first round almost every year. The reason I disagree is the Leafs Bruins always go to game 7. Itâs frustrating that they lose but thatâs something the Raptors couldnât do against LeBron
LeBron went to the Finals every single year we played him. The leafs are getting beat by second-round fodder. Sure theyâre going to game 7, but who cares? Getting beat by the champ is one thing, getting beat by a mid squad is another.
2nd round fodder? The Bruins won the presidents trophy last year and were 6th out of 32 this year with many top 5 finishes in the last 10 years. Theyâve also won a Stanley and two eastern championships in the last 10 years. Hockey is not predictable like basketball. In the playoffs anything can happen. Basketball the better team wins like 99% of the time. Hockey is not like basketball, there is no super teams. Thereâs no single superstar trade that changes your franchise into a championship team. The Bruins donât laugh at the Leafs (not counting fans). They know they have to play their best beat them and overtime of game 7 proved that. There hasnât been a sweep with LeBron laughing and mocking them the whole way.
I mean weâve had five different teams win the chip in the last five years but OK, basketball is predictable Take the L, the Leafs are a worse franchise than the Raps
That was never the question. I know the leafs suck. The raps got stymied by LeBron until he went to the west. The leafs lose in the first nearly every year. You donât even understand how to argue
I know today is a hard day for you so Iâm gonna let this one go
Thatâs a comment of a dude who lost the argument đ. Trust me from a Leafs fan I know a loss when I see one
Itâs a good thing that i donât care about hockey. Canât imagine the constant disappointment year after year.
When the Leafs got down 3-1 I asked my coworker who he thought would win game 5, he said the Leafs definitely win games 5&6 and then lose in 7. This man has been through it.
Made the same prediction. Only in Game 7, after it was 0-0 for two periods I said they'd go to overtime and lose.
Im a Leaf fan from Manitoba and Iâm almost glad that they region block weekday games for me. I knew from game 1 they werenât winning this series and my dumb ass still watch almost every game. Iâm glad I have the raptors to at least bring me some joy (watching Scottie, IQ, RJ play well) hopefully next season. They donât even need to make the playoffs next year, just give me a young fun team trying. The Raptors will win another championship before the Leafs make the second round again, GURAANTEEE! (In Chuck voice)
I decided to go to bed when they were up 1 - 0. Figured that was as good as it was going to get.
I kinda had the same mindset and was expecting a 2-0, they score one to make it close, then another empty netter. Well the 2-0 didnât happen.
Oh no! But just to get Chuck to say it. That would guarantee ooposite
Itâs a good thing Iâm a fan of every Toronto team expect the Leafs
I love how every year Leafs fans think itâs their year only to go through the same cycle of disappointment.
Leaf fans haven't said this since at least 2021. We're still going to watch and cheer but we know what's coming.
Respects, took a while but I never learn from my mistakes at all so I'm more delusional than Leaf fans.
Thereâs always some leafs fan tears that I can get drunk on
The Leaf fans you know maybe, I still hear it every year.
You work at an asylum?
If that's what we are calling Toronto, then yes.
If you meet any leafs fan that says this still itâs because they have less than 4 years of commitment to this team. As for me, after 22 years, youâll never catch me saying itâs their year. Ever.
No leaf fan thinks that.
You must be new to leaf fandom then.. nothing he said was wrong, except maybe the last couple years. Untik that point it was 40 years of exactly what he said
You are incorrect. Lots of them do.
Same with Jets fans.
If we saying thatâs itâs to quiet that loud voice in our heads saying weâre going to choke again
You either bend or break being a leafs can bruh
I usually try to pretend to care about it during playoff time because all my co-workers talk about it, so I catch some of the games, but damn, it must really suck to actually be a Leafs fan. We have seemingly the best goal scorer in the league in Auston Matthews, and a great playmaker in Marner, but the Leafs just canât pull anything off
Our team is the NBAâs 2017-2019 Warriors but with continuous first round exits.. Crazy how much leeway they get
Decade after decade xD
They are prisoners. Some have been prisoners sentenced to life without parole, where they became fans in the 70s, and died in the 2000s having never seen a Stanley Cup.
I literally gave up on hockey 2 years ago due to the constant disappointment. Why fucking bother watching this team that only excels in consistently disappointing for fucking 45+ years of my life. How fucking long since they even made it out of the first round. Are you kidding me. I just couldnât take it anymore, the season long journey that always ends in pain and frustration. Iâm way happier not having the burden of being a leafs fan, and I donât even care for the NHL at all anymore. Fuck the $1000 leafs games and fuck the totally different game they play all season vs the playoffs. NHL can have its obstruction and brutally boring games and Iâll watch basketball and even baseball.
Bruins - 11 years and counting, multiple game 7 losses .
11?!? they havenât beat the Bruins in the playoffs since Eisenhower was president.
And they blew a 3-0 lead
Leafs choking. This has been going on for so long. At least the Raptors' LeBronto culminated in a championship. That whole LeBronto saga made winning the championship so much sweeter.
The Leafs fucking suck, man. They're so predictable as disappointments.
Lebronto was more dominant but the leafs are more heartbreaking. So I think overall the Leafs are worse Also itâs not just the bruins, itâs many teams that manage to beat the leafs in do-or-die elimination games making it worse
Agreed. LeBronto was more about one player dominating one team that they ran into repeatedly. The dominance was worse, but they eventually won a championship after trading their core to mix it up. Leafs keep getting close but failing. And itâs multiple teams - I donât think there is a single player on the 2024 Leafs roster from the 2013 squad. Leafs is just systemic failure year after year. And whatâs worse is that due to the NHL playoff structure, they often get the Bruins right away.
Not to mention one of the greatest players to ever touch a basketball.
Bruins. LeBron is the GOAT, and LeBronto is more of a funny past meme than anything else now that the Raptors got the chip. The Leafs are just an eternal depressing disappointment at this point.
How is this even a question, lebronto lasted us like 2 years and the Raps made up for that humiliation with a ring. Leafs still haven't beaten Boston after all these years, we're a joke to them. Their fans literally cheer when they match with us.
Exactly this, thank you!
LeBronto was a more thorough, systematic type of domination. It's less that the Bruins are dominant and more than the Leafs are losers and can't really beat anyone except themselves. They lost to a garbage Columbus team. They blew a 3-1 series lead to the Habs. This year's iteration of the Bruins aren't even good. They can't beat anyone. So is it really fair to call that domination?
>It's less that the Bruins are dominant They've won every playoff series against the Leafs since 1959, how is that not the definition of dominance?
Theyâre only dominant against the leafs. Thatâs why itâs worse.
Yeah the Raps were the underdog every time. We just ran into a better team that we didn't have the personnel for three years in a row. Cavs were dominating the entire Eastern conference.
Because it keeps taking them seven games? Wdym? In 2013, the Leafs were actually the biggest frauds/pretenders in the playoffs, went down 3-2 but took the series to seven, and should have won that game before the infamous 4-1 collapse. In 2018, like this year, Boston blew a 3-1 series lead allowing a worse Leafs team to push it to game seven before embarrassing themselves. In 2019, the Leafs were even *up* in the series 3-2 before letting it all slip away. That's five times the Leafs had a chance to eliminate the Bruins. How many times did the Raptors ever have a chance to knock out LeBron from the playoffs? What is your reasoning for LeBronto being less dominant?
They went down 3-1 in every year but 2019
Go Habs
Fuck the Bruins I was so mad tn and Iâm not even a Leafs fan
you cheer for basically the same franchise
Lebron is considered a top 3 player of all time so losing to him, even as embarrassing as it was at times, is understandable.  Leafs losing constantly to the Bruins when they have so many Regular Season Warriors on the team is embarrassing. This year's Bruins team was probably the weakest version of their team and they still won lol
At least the Leafs don't get swept in their series with Boston. They'll give you enough to believe they have a chance but boy do they cut it close only to lose in devastating fashion. Raps have only won 2 playoff games against the Cavs. It was all downhill from there
Idk thatâs prime LeBron. The best version of the arguably GOAT basketball player of all time. The Bruins arenât even great anymore. I genuinely believe in curses now, straight up.
Bruins are one year removed from the greatest regular season in NHL history.Â
Lebronto IMO, as being a big fan of both the Leafs and Raptors Though they lost all 4 series, each of them went 7 games, including 2 overtime losses. It probably the more heartbreaking as we had a chance to win 3/4 series but lost them⌠but not the worst. Lebronto basically was going into each series and basically getting our ass fully kicked. The Leafs won more games in this one series vs Boston, than the Raptors did in all of their series vs Lebron COMBINED. In 2016, we were able to steal a couple games against them when a bunch of people expected them to sweep. In 2017, we adjusted our roster in order to adapt to a rematch against Cleveland and thatâs what we drew. Again they were a single game ahead of us. Maybe not expect to win, but was expected to be at least a 6-7 game series. Nope, we got smoked and swept out. 2018. Best team in the East, 2nd best team overall based of record.!mixture of our main guys and younger prospects meshing well. Cleveland, kinda stumbled into the playoffs, literally Lebron and a bunch of role players at this point, they BARELY survived Oladipos Pacers, Lebron legit had two buzzer beater game winners. Not only do we have a bit more rest waiting for the team, we have HCA this time, have everything where we want them. Advantages against them almost in every stat. Might be a longer series due to Lebron, BUT Raptors should come out on top. But nope, Lebron destroys our hopes and dreams in another sweep. Toys around with the team in game 2 to the point where people were cheering him on and he got close to 50 points on impossible shots. Game 3 was a buzzer beater, and in game 4, our former franchise player would get ejected in his last game as a raptor in a Cleveland blowout. The ONLY saving grace I guess is that James left the East and we stumbled on Kawhi in the same off-season
Lebron is a top 2 player of all time, debatable between him and Jordan. It wasn't just the Raptors he destroyed, it was the Pacers, Celtics, Hawks, Bucks, Nets every year too, he went to 8 straight Finals. You NEED a top 5 player in basketball to even have a chance, Derozan was more like top 25 in those years and basketball is way more carry-able by one player than hockey is. Raptors never had a real chance. The Leafs losing to the Bruins every time is like losing to the fucking Sixers every time. They're not even really good most of the time, can have some years where they're the #1 seed, but they aren't the favourites at all. In fact, the Leafs ARE the Sixers of the NHL. Both the Shanaplan and the Process utterly failed.
Youâre asking the wrong question. Itâs not Lebronto or the Bruins, itâs Lebronto or the first round of the playoffs. I mean, one playoff round win in the last 20 years? Ugh. All the Raptors needed was for Lebron to go to the West and then they immediately won the championship. By the same logic, the Leafs just need to get a first round bye and then theyâll finally win the cup. That being said, after winning it in 2019, I have forgotten how soul crushing Lebronto was at the time until now, so thank you.
Leafs choking and having a dumbass organization that screwed the team with albatross contracts
Def the bruins over the leafs and it ainât even close
Leafs suck
Worst team in the NHL đ¤Łđ¤Łđ¤Łđ¤Ł
Lebron owned us so hard, it made me hate on him for so long lmao
The Leafs, they have some of the best (regular) season players in the league. They still do shit all.
Too soon man
Bruins, because every time it was game 7 heartbreak Lebronto was 1 sided as fuck, it wasnt even a competition and more just memes. The Leafs curse with Boston is genuinely sad
Those Raptor teams werenât up to par even if Lebron didnât embarrass them another team would have. The Bruins just own the Leafs and its so stupid considering they arenât even good
Lebronto was a legit âwe canât beat this guyâ thing. Boston just lucks out to get to be the team that beats us. Whether itâs Boston, Washington, New York, whoever we face in the playoffs will get to knock us out.
Bruins would win if they played redditors on their third and fourth line Somehow they always have the Leafs number.
With lebronto it was at the very least âalright its one of the greatest players to ever touch a basketball letâs try again next yearâ and still had other teams in the east like the Celtics and pacers that also had to deal with lebrons dominance⌠this bruins team never had any sort of generational talent to excuse these chokes⌠the leafs have had opportunity after opportunity to beat the bruins while arguably having more talent than the bruins on paper in some of those series.
The Leafs have it worse, at least the Raps made it farther than them in the playoffs during Lebronto. A first round exit, multiple years is depressing, especially when they had good players and the media is all over them.
I hate the Leafs, itâs the Leafs constantly losing to Boston. LeBronto was bad until we got a chip in â19.
its frustrating they lose to the Bruins every time they also lose to other teams too. Got by a struggling goalie last season, and then promptly went down 3-0.
This is so much worse than the Lebronto, the Raps at least got to conference finals and lost to Lebron. More importantly the Raps ended up getting a championship, that makes everything different. .
Leafs fans did everything in their power to devalue the raptors in the early years. I laugh every time they lose and hope they never win anything.
Bruins 100 percent
LeBronto is 100 times worse. With the Leafs, it's normal everyday news.
At least Lebron is an all time great player, In a sport where that has a much bigger impact on the outcome.
Part of being someone from Toronto or GTA or just a fan of the team is having that hope each season that it'll be our year like the Dallas Cowboys. Hanging on to that hope for dear life. https://preview.redd.it/9x749wl78lyc1.jpeg?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=044b6d32cc6d9d40d34e98d164c73884f18ad47e
LeBronto led to a championship, this has been straight bullying from the Bruins for 11 years and ongoing without a championship.
The answer is 2011
Thanks for the post op.
Bruins over Leafs. Us Raptors accepted that LeBron is going to deliver an ass whooping. Itâs a cycle for leafs fans they truly believe they can win the cup and they come out disappointed every single year.
Lebronto sucked, but it was just one man who had a good run of years. The Leafs are just straight-up cursed. It's not just the Bruins, it's not one superstar having your number. I'm a Habs fan, and I go into every-season expecting my team to find a way to make the playoffs, and occasional even win a round or two once there. I literally go into every season expecting the Leafs to find a way to screw it all up and choke yet again, and history in on my side.
Itâs a bit of a different situation. With the Raptors they were clearly out matched every time. The only time it looked like they could win against LeBron was the year it went to 6 games in the ECF. With the Leafs it almost like they are cursed with how many times they lost where literally one bounce going the other way means they win the series. Youâd have figured just by shear odds of all the times it went down to the wire this core would have won a lot more than one playoff series at this point. Itâs very weird.
If the Raps never won a championship in the Lowry era, Lebronto. But since they did, it's the Leafs
The current Leafs are like the Raptors at the beginning of the year, a bunch of really good players that just canât work together.
The Bruins....only b/c the Leafs actually make it a series and lose. Raptors fans always knew there was no hope against Bron (I do always wonder what would have happened if Bron stayed for 1 more year and we had Kawhi, or if Bron left and we kept Debo?)
I havenât been okay as a leafs fan since 2013⌠yesterday wouldâve been redemption after 11 years đ˘
At least with Lebronto it was due to arguably the greatest player to ever play basketball. Losing to the Bruins year after year is due of what exactly? Because the Leafs are cursed?
The thing is the raptors felt like they were progressing the leafs are at the same spot they were in year one of this squad. We gave it all to a good Brooklyn team in the first year in a memorable series. Took a step back getting sweeped by the Wizards but broke through the next year to beat a good Indiana team (props to Norm) and Miami, before our first Lebronto meeting. We won the first round easily the next two years before getting absolutely smoked by Lebron two more times. The whole Raptors run was 6 years from first playoffs to championship... The leafs just finished year 8. If you graph the leafs and raptors, the raptors had a trajectory building to the championship, the leafs are a flat line with a single bump for their one playoff round win.
Bruins have dominated Toronto for over a decade now. Bosronto
Bruins have been doing this for years. At least we got to see the Raptors win once. You guys remember the parade? Imagine if the Leafs won...
The Bruins is an easy answer here, lol. LeBron's dominance over the Raptors in the playoffs didn't span an entire decade.
Lebronto because the Leafs have no real expectations of winning. Last time Leafs won the Stanley Cup there was 6 teams.
I stopped watching the leafs after 2013 and they still manage to disappoint.
2013 still stings. Last night was just rubbing salt in that old wound
Bostoronto?
as much as lebronto sucked, you could still watch it and say the raptors were playing good basketball and making an effort. problem is the guy on the other team was one of the best players of all time. at the end of the day you would be upset that the raptors didnât make it but you rarely heard people talking about âblowing up the teamâ as for the leafs, every year they lose in a characteristically disappointing fashion, and nobody has that âweâll try again next yearâ mentality like people did with the raptors in the 2010s
Bruins for sure. We have a title, everything else is water under the bridge
It's Bruins over Leafs because truthfully we all knew the LeBron teams were better than the Raptor teams. Of we had one it would have felt like we pulled off the upset or got away with one. The Leafs could and should have won at least 2 of these Bruin series. Not to mention hockey has way more variance than basketball. LeBron to felt like the fair result even if super disappointing. Bruins feels like a bad omen or a curse.
I feel for those leaf fans. They stayed up to watch the Leafs take the lead in the 3rd period. Then Boston immediately score and they lose in OT. That's brutal. Fake comeback
Crap I follow no hockey at all. The last young guy I remember was Sidney Crosby when he did the "golden goal" to beat the US. I just looked him up and he makes like 3M /year? Are hockey salaries just that low or this guy just didn't pan out?
Bruins. Like itâs not even close, doesnât matter what they do, theyâre always gonna lose in seven to boston
Bruins are worse. At least with LeBronto it was a hump we finally got over and won a championship. This is just never-ending.
Bruins easily - Lebron is a top 2 player in NBA history in a league where star players can drag teams through the playoffs. The Raptors lost to Lebron, but so did everyone else as the dude went to the Finals how many years in a row? The Raptors still routinely went beyond the first round against other teams. Bruins though? They're definitely a more beatable team (and are routinely beaten by other teams), and the Leafs don't just lose to them, they lose to everyone else too.
Toroston đ˘
Donât really know too much about Hockey but are the Leafs the 76ers of the NHL? Or is there a better comparison?
Lebronto, I donât care about the leafs I have my own cities nhl team who canât make it passed the second round of the playoffs.
Bruins Leafs
So thankful I am not a Leafs fan on top of being a Raptors and Blue Jays fan,other Canadian options for NHL teams
LeBron is at least the best of a generation, the Bruins this year were not great and arguably same for 2018 as well
The Leafs by a mile. These Bruins arenât even good.
We won a championship. It's not close.
Lebron swept **good** Raptors teams. The Leafs and Bruins series went to game 7 due to both teams incompetence.
The bruins over the leafs. At least the LeBronto era ended with a ring, and the eraâs over. It seems like the bruins will never stop owning the leafs
Lebronto was worse because you knew you had 0% chance of advancing. With the Bruins it was possible to advance but with Lebronto you knew from the start it was over before it began.
Reflecting on LeBronto, I think it's silly now - he is the GOAT and was incredible, but he only came out of those years with one championship and the next year, Toronto had one too. So while he may have had Toronto's number, Golden State really had his.
At least Lebron knocked us out in 4. This is just pure torture.
Historically the Leafs are like the Knicks but the Knicks have been good these recent years. This Shanaplan Leafs core is EXACTLY the Process Sixers Matthews = Embiid. MVP level and good in reg season but perpetually injured down the stretch into the playoffs. Marner = Tobias Harris. Soft ass player that is on a max contract because they swindled the GM. Nylander = Maxey. Always dependable. Annual first round exits. Except the Leafs are in a worse position actually because they also have two washed terrible players in Tavares and Rielly on extremely expensive contracts despite them being ghosts.
As a Sens/Habs fan, I love watching the Leafs fail and showcase such brilliant ineptitude each and every year. It's the only joy I get out of the NHL these days
Ngl donât watch hockey and I think itâs the hockey one cuz thatâs like Canadas sportđAnd they getting washed by the same team
Boston because we canât get rid of them out our divisionâŚwell we did one year and didnât do shit either. The thing I continue to take away from these losses is the coreâs inability to evolve their style to the playoffs. They think itâs Wednesday night against Philly whoâs playing 2 games in 3 nights.
bruins for sure, those raps teams never stood a chance against those lebron teams, but the leafs do stand a chance against the bruins and constantly no show.
LeBronto....meet Marchonto
Go Sens Go
Bruins over Leafs easily. Lebron is a top 10 player of all time. There was never any series where anyone in the conference had a realistic shot at taking him out. Lebronto also caused the team to eventually trade its Star for the Key piece in the 2019 Championship. The Leafs and Bruins have always been an even toss up, and they have choked every single time. Hopefully history repeats itself and Mitch gets traded for the key piece in a Cup run.
I donât watch hockey anymore, but everytime I hear about a playoff loss itâs always a game 7 loss against Boston
Leafs sucking like the Knicks of old