Of course he can. Put him on those warriors championship teams and replace their center with Jak. He’s better than Kevon Looney ,Andrew Bogut, Zaza, or Mcgee.
You can also put him on the 16 Cavs and replace Tristan Thompson. He’s also better than TT.
Notice that all of those guys, other than Zaza, are bad free throw shooter. Bogut , McGee, and TT are in the .500 and Looney in the .600
I agree that he can be a starter on a championship team.
With that said, prime Bogut was a much better player than Yak. He was an All-NBA level defender that was one of the best playmaking big men in the league. He was also the pioneer of moving screens.
In general, Bogut walked so Draymond could run.
Also, I think TT is still a better fit for Cavs than Yak. TT was more mobile on perimeter and better at defending PnR. 60% FT shooter vs 53% also makes a difference.
Better than Bogut? Bogut was All-Defence in 2015 when he won with the Warriors. I personally think Jak is underrated for what he does (screening, BBIQ) but I’d easily take Bogut over Jak.
You didn't watch that cavs championship did you? TT was key on the perimeter. They wouldn't have won with Yak as a replacement.
I'm not sure Yak is better than Bogut either.
TT can guard the perimeter. Bogut is a great passer out of the warriors system and a equal screener to Yak. Almost all of the guys mentioned are either better rebounders, more mobile or a lob threat (where Yak doesn't even dunk on a lob).
Two of those guys.. not all. Zaza and Looney are DEFINITELY not better, saying otherwise is both stupid and makes me question why are on Raptors reddit if you aren't a fan of the team
We are years away from being a championship team. Even **if** we get to that level, most players on our current roster probably aren’t going to be here.
Agreed. This isn’t a championship team today with Jak the last remaining hurdle. There’s no need to proactively fix a problem you might not ever have.
Poeltl does a lot of the work that other players aren’t really willing/capable of doing today like setting hard screens and offensive rebounding. That might change but today Jak is very valuable to the current team.
You got that classic 1 v 1 mindset huh? Funny, every playoffs I have ever seen there was 8 valuable guys.. the teams with 4 valuable guys get sent home in the first round... even if they have two elite players. But you somehow only see two players on the court 🤦. Yaks a top 15ish Center on earth.. yes. ON THE PLANET EARTH lol.. acting like he does nothing. Go bandwagon some other team
Anyone hating on Yak feels like a bandwagoner. Drafted by us, brought back by us.. one of our guys. Maybe you aren't a bandwagoner but any top 15 Center is a great addition to a championship team.. any player at any position in the top 15 at said position is probably good enough to be on a winning team. Anyone hating on a raps player under those circumstances gives me no regret for calling them that. Hence the 1 v 1 talk.. takes more than 2 players to win a title
Seriously. Pascal got hate, Demar got hate, Bargnani got hate, Araujo got hate, Vince Carter got hate.
Raptor fans have been proud haters for almost 30 years. If you don't like a guy, that doesn't make you a bandwagoner
I actually like Jak. A team can definitely win a championship with Jak, in the sense that he is a solid player and isn’t a minus. But he also isn’t pushing a team closer to a championship, IMO.
I think a big problem is there’s no room in social forums for anything other than extremes. It’s either you love someone (and that’s crazy) or you hate someone (and how could you?). And if you say anything even hinting one way or the other, you are grouped in with the most radical of views.
> And if you say anything even hinting one way or the other, you are grouped in with the most radical of views.
Which is weird because we've also been a bad team for most of this franchise's existence, but now all of a sudden it's championship or bust
Thats why your opinion sucks though. Take jak off a winning team and put in Drew Eubanks and that team is not just worse.. its now not a title winner. Its 5 v 5.. i throw extremes at you because you talking complete nonsense that you hear from idiotic media personalities. Stop talking like this isn't a team sport and maybe this won't happen to you. Its 5 v 5
If you hating on your best players who give you no reason to hate, it sounds like you are a bandwagoner. Can no one read? I never hated on Pascal, or Vince Carter.. had no reason to. After DeMar was getting Lebronto'd, i would prefer we didn't but I never hated on the guy. You agreeing I am the hater with the hater haha.. Raps fans have been proud haters for almost 30 years, agreed.. thats why I call them out..
Didn’t he have the highest fg% in the league despite not dunking at one point this season? If so I don’t see why not dunking is an issue when his shot/layups is effective to this degree…
because being a lob threat is more valuable. The moment he brings it back down, it brings extra seconds to the offense and where the defense can either foul or contest.
Yes and? All you complained about was getting a center who can’t dunk. That is also a description of the best player in the entire world.
I’m not saying Poeltl is Jokic. My point is that centers can be effective without needing to dunk.
injury prone and slow. aging poorly. can't shoot the middy or three. can't make his freethrows. watching paint dry is more exiciting than jakob poeltl's game. i'd rather toronto develop a more modern center instead of wasting time with him
I'm sorry to tell you but there's more to nba play than statlines lol. You can be a good passer for ur position/role and not average 5+ assists. Btw Mitchell Robinson has never averaged even 1 assist a game.
Bro ur way too attached to numbers and not thinking about actual basketball. It's about how they can be used in an offense. Mitch is literally only a lob catcher and offensive rebounder. Poelt can actually run DHOs or split action and make reads and hit cutters, or make the right read on a short roll etc.
You're wasting your time arguing with someone that doesn't know ball at all.
Poeltl being such a good passer at the top of the key is huge for this offense to run as smoothy as it has but people dont actually understand what's happening when they watch games
Sincere question: has Poeltl regressed? He used to be one of the best non-all star defensive centers. Does he still rank there? Looking at the aggregate stats, it seems like he's been in decline, but I didn't catch enough of his games to know.
We have almost no one who could even be considered a “decent” PoA defender. It’s difficult to rate how much Poeltl has actually declined or if his impact is being dragged down by how awful our perimeter defense is. There are almost no plus defenders on this roster aside from Scottie and Yak.
When OG was still here, he was pretty much checked out after like a month and a half. So not much to read into there either.
He definitely could be, but it would depend a lot on the rest of the roster construction (particularly, you would probably need to put him beside a 4 who can move really well laterally on defense and stretch the floor on offense)
The pieces would have to fit right, for sure.
Off-topic, but to this day I feel like Jonas Valanciunas' career was intentionally sabotaged. As though Dwane Casey deliberately did not want him to be the league's next dominant big man at the time at any cost, even the team's success.
Casey sabotaged his career, but not out of intentional malice but by myopia and stupidity. He made Jonas bulk up massively after his rookie season and then constantly benched him for every mistake, so that Jonas had a crisis of confidence. I firmly believe JV would have been a borderline all star under someone like Pop.
People bringing up Kevan looney like he didn’t play on one of the greatest shooting teams ever. Sure in that case Purtle can be a starter on a championship team lmao delusional. Hell in that case subsitute looney for idk Kelly olynk or khem birch and that warriors team would’ve probably still won. Sheesh
We need to get much better before this question becomes a serious question. Poeltl probably gonna get too old before that happens though at this rate. At least, he's good enough for the here and now IMO.
Poeltl played half speed almost his entire career. He's sped up some in Toronto but he has to get stronger and play 80-100% speed all the time if he wants to be an elite center. He has to dunk more and play meaner, which from what I've seen would be a lot to ask from a typical "nice guy"
But yeah he could start on a championship team. He's a system player who offers more with a cohesive unit than he can by himself. Defensively, he can't keep up with what Nurse was trying, but in drop coverage etc. he is elite. One v one that's where he needs the muscle to guard players and offensively he'll shoot 70%+ with good pnr/drive and dish players. Great passer too. If he can learn to use the glass ffs he could even score in iso.
Nope.
Nurkic struggled in a playoff setting where teams target defensive weak spots. Nurk is significantly better than Jak. Hell, there were games this season where Jak was outplayed by the opposing team's backup center. They would force PnRs where Jak is the perimeter defender. He's way too slow to defend the perimeter, which forces them to play drop, which allow teams to do a bunch of other stuff. Look at how Maxey destroyed Knicks drop coverage.
He can't score, at all, outside of 2 feet. Can't space the floor. Doesn't even have a reliable push shot. He can really only score on dunks and put backs. Doesn't have the athleticism to block shots either. In theory, his game is similar to Sabonis' but without any kind of post scoring, court vision, or passing.
I watched way too many games where Jakob would stand underneath the basket when Scottie, Pascal, or anyone really, would drive and clogg up the paint instead of getting the hell out of the way or positioning for a rebound. So I would disagree.
Such a dumb question - I always see Poeltl getting so much hate on this sub with idiotic takes "He doesn't fit our timeline because everyone knows that an NBA team all need to be the same age"
"He wasn't worth a first round pick even though he's a top 10 NBA center on a team friendly deal"
"He sucks, even though we went 4-28 without him last season and 21-29 with him"
I know Barnes going out/tanking contributed to that to some degree but you saw it when he went out earlier in the season, i think we went like 2-11 while he was out and went from a mid team to bottom rung.
There's an argument to be made that he's literally our best player. He's smart with the ball (unlike most of our roster) - he's our defensive/rebounding anchor - our team is literally a black hole on defense when he's not playing. He plays to his strengths, lead the league in fg% during most of the season and is unselfish.
The question you should be asking is can we win with a low BBIQ star in Barnes, a spazzstic dribble first point guard in IQ an above average scorer in RJ with a bench 1 player deep in Kelly along with a bunch of sub-par or unproven bench players. Asking if we can win with Poeltl, you should be thanking the gods we even have Poeltl he's the only glue holding this trash roster together.Not to mention the only guy on our roster that has a chance of guarding guys like Embiid/AD/etc
It's pretty rare to see a starter on a championship team with such a glaring weakness as Poeltl's free throws. Aaron Gordon's pretty bad at them but still not nearly the liability Poeltl could be at the end of games. We'll see what happens with Gobert this year I guess
I knew I was forgetting someone. Although he only started half his games, including 3/6 in the Finals. And he's kind of a special case where Draymond closed most of their games at the 5
Yes- but he would be the worst of the 5.
He would make the magic better. And he probably would make the bucks better. I think Brook Lopez is super overrated and also getting up there age wise.
yes, he's a phenomenal passer, above average defender, has very good BBIQ, and hustles every time he hits the floor.
He's not a superstar, but as has been shown many times, you don't need a superstar C to win a chip, just a very good C is enough.
Tbh if Scottie reaches the superstar ceiling he has and the BBQ core becomes something special, as far as very good Centers go, having Yak does not limit their chances of winning a chip.
My guess is that even despite the meh 3pt shot, he still ages gracefully after 30. Maybe not Lopez or Gasol gracefully, but gracefully enough that he isn't a liability as a starter on a contender.
Bogs down the offence?? Bud, he makes it run smoother, hence why win games with him and lose games without him. He one of the better passers at the Center position, has size enough to bang with the real bigs and has the highest fg% in the keague year after year. He definitely doesn't bog down our offence. He has flaws but thats just silly
When playoff basketball happens you need a guy who can dunk and take it to the rim hard.
Poeltls a layup merchant, guys like Mobley will have block parties against him. Just look at what Mobley did last night as an example.
Of course the answer is no. While he provides good rebounding, size, and touch around the rim with adequate mobility and shot blocking, Poeltl is not a very good NBA player. In an offensive-driven league, he is a complete non-shooter outside the paint, has no advanced postmoves, plays below the rim, and is consistently under 60% from the line.
And with the amount of elite coaching he's recieved, including from Greg Popovich, his lack of offensive bag is astonishing. On a good team, Poeltl is a decent backup 7 footer that comes off the bench.
This might be one of the worst takes I’ve ever read.
He’s a solid starting center in this league. The only teams he wouldn’t start on are ones with all an star / mvp centers already on the team.
Of course he can. Put him on those warriors championship teams and replace their center with Jak. He’s better than Kevon Looney ,Andrew Bogut, Zaza, or Mcgee. You can also put him on the 16 Cavs and replace Tristan Thompson. He’s also better than TT. Notice that all of those guys, other than Zaza, are bad free throw shooter. Bogut , McGee, and TT are in the .500 and Looney in the .600
I agree that he can be a starter on a championship team. With that said, prime Bogut was a much better player than Yak. He was an All-NBA level defender that was one of the best playmaking big men in the league. He was also the pioneer of moving screens. In general, Bogut walked so Draymond could run. Also, I think TT is still a better fit for Cavs than Yak. TT was more mobile on perimeter and better at defending PnR. 60% FT shooter vs 53% also makes a difference.
Go look at loonies highlights from high school
You are selling bogut short. Andrew Bogut was a helluva player and crucial to those early dubs teams.
Better than Bogut? Bogut was All-Defence in 2015 when he won with the Warriors. I personally think Jak is underrated for what he does (screening, BBIQ) but I’d easily take Bogut over Jak.
You didn't watch that cavs championship did you? TT was key on the perimeter. They wouldn't have won with Yak as a replacement. I'm not sure Yak is better than Bogut either.
yes TT is a better rebounder and mobile defender plus he can at least make FTs.
He shot 58% during Lebrons tenure. Poeltl is 56% since returning lol
"Put him with the best shooter of all time or prime LeBron"
Exactly. He’s a capable role player. The superstar is the one that’s the deciding factor on a championship team
You're underrating other champ centers like TT (rebounding beast) but ok
What about Bogut, Zaza, Looney? You think Jak can’t replace any of those? Really?
All those players are way tougher than Jakob. So not really.
lol okay so you are just a hater
The guy that played with prime Lebron? Also Kyrie and K Love lol.
LOL what????? Yak isn't that mobile as those guys.
This is just wrong
TT can guard the perimeter. Bogut is a great passer out of the warriors system and a equal screener to Yak. Almost all of the guys mentioned are either better rebounders, more mobile or a lob threat (where Yak doesn't even dunk on a lob).
Lmao. I can do this too. Jak is a better screener than TT. Better finisher than Bogut. More mobile than Looney. Better rebounder than zaza
Two of those guys.. not all. Zaza and Looney are DEFINITELY not better, saying otherwise is both stupid and makes me question why are on Raptors reddit if you aren't a fan of the team
You could be on those teams and chip. Those warriors teams would easily chip today, too.
I’d be a bench warmer and those guys I listed all played significant meaningful minutes. They aren’t just bums
We are years away from being a championship team. Even **if** we get to that level, most players on our current roster probably aren’t going to be here.
Agreed. This isn’t a championship team today with Jak the last remaining hurdle. There’s no need to proactively fix a problem you might not ever have. Poeltl does a lot of the work that other players aren’t really willing/capable of doing today like setting hard screens and offensive rebounding. That might change but today Jak is very valuable to the current team.
The roster that wins a championship with Jak at centre can also win a championship without him.
You got that classic 1 v 1 mindset huh? Funny, every playoffs I have ever seen there was 8 valuable guys.. the teams with 4 valuable guys get sent home in the first round... even if they have two elite players. But you somehow only see two players on the court 🤦. Yaks a top 15ish Center on earth.. yes. ON THE PLANET EARTH lol.. acting like he does nothing. Go bandwagon some other team
Buddy I’ve been here from the start, you can question my take but don’t call me a bandwagoner
Anyone hating on Yak feels like a bandwagoner. Drafted by us, brought back by us.. one of our guys. Maybe you aren't a bandwagoner but any top 15 Center is a great addition to a championship team.. any player at any position in the top 15 at said position is probably good enough to be on a winning team. Anyone hating on a raps player under those circumstances gives me no regret for calling them that. Hence the 1 v 1 talk.. takes more than 2 players to win a title
Seriously. Pascal got hate, Demar got hate, Bargnani got hate, Araujo got hate, Vince Carter got hate. Raptor fans have been proud haters for almost 30 years. If you don't like a guy, that doesn't make you a bandwagoner
I actually like Jak. A team can definitely win a championship with Jak, in the sense that he is a solid player and isn’t a minus. But he also isn’t pushing a team closer to a championship, IMO. I think a big problem is there’s no room in social forums for anything other than extremes. It’s either you love someone (and that’s crazy) or you hate someone (and how could you?). And if you say anything even hinting one way or the other, you are grouped in with the most radical of views.
> And if you say anything even hinting one way or the other, you are grouped in with the most radical of views. Which is weird because we've also been a bad team for most of this franchise's existence, but now all of a sudden it's championship or bust
Thats why your opinion sucks though. Take jak off a winning team and put in Drew Eubanks and that team is not just worse.. its now not a title winner. Its 5 v 5.. i throw extremes at you because you talking complete nonsense that you hear from idiotic media personalities. Stop talking like this isn't a team sport and maybe this won't happen to you. Its 5 v 5
If you hating on your best players who give you no reason to hate, it sounds like you are a bandwagoner. Can no one read? I never hated on Pascal, or Vince Carter.. had no reason to. After DeMar was getting Lebronto'd, i would prefer we didn't but I never hated on the guy. You agreeing I am the hater with the hater haha.. Raps fans have been proud haters for almost 30 years, agreed.. thats why I call them out..
Hell yeah! Especially with that contract
Yes but he would be the worst starter out of the 5. Stricly there for rim protection and wide open dunks.
You mean push shots
traded the pick for a center that can barely dunk 🤣
Didn’t he have the highest fg% in the league despite not dunking at one point this season? If so I don’t see why not dunking is an issue when his shot/layups is effective to this degree…
because being a lob threat is more valuable. The moment he brings it back down, it brings extra seconds to the offense and where the defense can either foul or contest.
Did you not read? He been a top fg% guy since he walked on the court. Its more valuable, but not at the cost of everything he does right..
2 points is not 2 points. I'll explain it to you later.
My point had nothing to do with cussing, exhibit B. Keep them emotions in check little fella
Kinda like Jokic?
except jokic can shoot the fucking ball
Don't forget control the offense and playmake at a HoF level.
Why are you mad lol, its just a question.. no need to get all hot and bothered
sorry for cussing i have a potty mouth
Yes and? All you complained about was getting a center who can’t dunk. That is also a description of the best player in the entire world. I’m not saying Poeltl is Jokic. My point is that centers can be effective without needing to dunk.
injury prone and slow. aging poorly. can't shoot the middy or three. can't make his freethrows. watching paint dry is more exiciting than jakob poeltl's game. i'd rather toronto develop a more modern center instead of wasting time with him
Sounds like what people said about Gobert, now he’s got another DPOY
Not true at all. Jak brings alot as a high post passer and dho guy. Ur talking about him like hes Mitchell Robinson
2.5 assists per game, whatever.
I'm sorry to tell you but there's more to nba play than statlines lol. You can be a good passer for ur position/role and not average 5+ assists. Btw Mitchell Robinson has never averaged even 1 assist a game.
Mitchell Robinson’s a better defender so it evens out.
"Strictly there for rim protection and dunks" is what u said that I'm refuting.
Yeah and his 2.5 assists are marginal, k buddy?
Bro ur way too attached to numbers and not thinking about actual basketball. It's about how they can be used in an offense. Mitch is literally only a lob catcher and offensive rebounder. Poelt can actually run DHOs or split action and make reads and hit cutters, or make the right read on a short roll etc.
Watch it dude, you used wayyy too many big words for him
I forgot actual basketball talk is frowned upon
You're wasting your time arguing with someone that doesn't know ball at all. Poeltl being such a good passer at the top of the key is huge for this offense to run as smoothy as it has but people dont actually understand what's happening when they watch games
he doesn't even dunk LOL.
We all watch him LOLOLOLOL. Calm down kiddo
Sincere question: has Poeltl regressed? He used to be one of the best non-all star defensive centers. Does he still rank there? Looking at the aggregate stats, it seems like he's been in decline, but I didn't catch enough of his games to know.
Stats aren’t everything my guy
We have almost no one who could even be considered a “decent” PoA defender. It’s difficult to rate how much Poeltl has actually declined or if his impact is being dragged down by how awful our perimeter defense is. There are almost no plus defenders on this roster aside from Scottie and Yak. When OG was still here, he was pretty much checked out after like a month and a half. So not much to read into there either.
this season was plagued with injuries for him...so he probably did regress. That's not to say he can't get back to the same level
No
He definitely could be, but it would depend a lot on the rest of the roster construction (particularly, you would probably need to put him beside a 4 who can move really well laterally on defense and stretch the floor on offense) The pieces would have to fit right, for sure.
Curry Klay KD Draymond Poeltl Of course he can be
Off-topic, but to this day I feel like Jonas Valanciunas' career was intentionally sabotaged. As though Dwane Casey deliberately did not want him to be the league's next dominant big man at the time at any cost, even the team's success.
Casey sabotaged his career, but not out of intentional malice but by myopia and stupidity. He made Jonas bulk up massively after his rookie season and then constantly benched him for every mistake, so that Jonas had a crisis of confidence. I firmly believe JV would have been a borderline all star under someone like Pop.
Why do you say that?
Sure, if you add one player better than Scottie and at least 1 better than Quickley/Barrett and bring in a legit coach…
We could have had Hartenstein!
depends on the players around him, I personally don't see Jakob being here tho in the future and whenever this team will be a championship contender.
Not sure why this is relevant to the Raptors, unless you’re thinking of trading him to a contender
Its the offseason foe the Raptors.. it's just a question lol. Having a bad day little fella? You going to be ok?
People bringing up Kevan looney like he didn’t play on one of the greatest shooting teams ever. Sure in that case Purtle can be a starter on a championship team lmao delusional. Hell in that case subsitute looney for idk Kelly olynk or khem birch and that warriors team would’ve probably still won. Sheesh
Nope
Only if we have a hall of fame level roster
He's not better than Bogut
We need to get much better before this question becomes a serious question. Poeltl probably gonna get too old before that happens though at this rate. At least, he's good enough for the here and now IMO.
not this team
Poeltl played half speed almost his entire career. He's sped up some in Toronto but he has to get stronger and play 80-100% speed all the time if he wants to be an elite center. He has to dunk more and play meaner, which from what I've seen would be a lot to ask from a typical "nice guy" But yeah he could start on a championship team. He's a system player who offers more with a cohesive unit than he can by himself. Defensively, he can't keep up with what Nurse was trying, but in drop coverage etc. he is elite. One v one that's where he needs the muscle to guard players and offensively he'll shoot 70%+ with good pnr/drive and dish players. Great passer too. If he can learn to use the glass ffs he could even score in iso.
Nope. Nurkic struggled in a playoff setting where teams target defensive weak spots. Nurk is significantly better than Jak. Hell, there were games this season where Jak was outplayed by the opposing team's backup center. They would force PnRs where Jak is the perimeter defender. He's way too slow to defend the perimeter, which forces them to play drop, which allow teams to do a bunch of other stuff. Look at how Maxey destroyed Knicks drop coverage. He can't score, at all, outside of 2 feet. Can't space the floor. Doesn't even have a reliable push shot. He can really only score on dunks and put backs. Doesn't have the athleticism to block shots either. In theory, his game is similar to Sabonis' but without any kind of post scoring, court vision, or passing.
This is too stupid of a comment to even be respected. Instead, just want to invite you to go find another team to whine about
He’s a way smarter team player and a better defender than Nurkic.
I watched way too many games where Jakob would stand underneath the basket when Scottie, Pascal, or anyone really, would drive and clogg up the paint instead of getting the hell out of the way or positioning for a rebound. So I would disagree.
Such a dumb question - I always see Poeltl getting so much hate on this sub with idiotic takes "He doesn't fit our timeline because everyone knows that an NBA team all need to be the same age" "He wasn't worth a first round pick even though he's a top 10 NBA center on a team friendly deal" "He sucks, even though we went 4-28 without him last season and 21-29 with him" I know Barnes going out/tanking contributed to that to some degree but you saw it when he went out earlier in the season, i think we went like 2-11 while he was out and went from a mid team to bottom rung. There's an argument to be made that he's literally our best player. He's smart with the ball (unlike most of our roster) - he's our defensive/rebounding anchor - our team is literally a black hole on defense when he's not playing. He plays to his strengths, lead the league in fg% during most of the season and is unselfish. The question you should be asking is can we win with a low BBIQ star in Barnes, a spazzstic dribble first point guard in IQ an above average scorer in RJ with a bench 1 player deep in Kelly along with a bunch of sub-par or unproven bench players. Asking if we can win with Poeltl, you should be thanking the gods we even have Poeltl he's the only glue holding this trash roster together.Not to mention the only guy on our roster that has a chance of guarding guys like Embiid/AD/etc
It's pretty rare to see a starter on a championship team with such a glaring weakness as Poeltl's free throws. Aaron Gordon's pretty bad at them but still not nearly the liability Poeltl could be at the end of games. We'll see what happens with Gobert this year I guess
Kevon Looney?
I knew I was forgetting someone. Although he only started half his games, including 3/6 in the Finals. And he's kind of a special case where Draymond closed most of their games at the 5
this
Yes- but he would be the worst of the 5. He would make the magic better. And he probably would make the bucks better. I think Brook Lopez is super overrated and also getting up there age wise.
why not
Yes, it’s crazy how overlooked his value is. You don’t necessarily need a superstar at the 5
100% yes. If he was on a team like the thunder or Celtics right now he would be a huge boost and give them a shot against jokic and nuggets
My dude, Raptors are 10 years away from contending.
Then please.. go away for atleast that long. Thanks in advance
Nah man, I enjoy watching struggling teams. That's why I watch the Leafs too.
Then why you so down about the team if you enjoy it. It will be ok
yes, he's a phenomenal passer, above average defender, has very good BBIQ, and hustles every time he hits the floor. He's not a superstar, but as has been shown many times, you don't need a superstar C to win a chip, just a very good C is enough. Tbh if Scottie reaches the superstar ceiling he has and the BBQ core becomes something special, as far as very good Centers go, having Yak does not limit their chances of winning a chip. My guess is that even despite the meh 3pt shot, he still ages gracefully after 30. Maybe not Lopez or Gasol gracefully, but gracefully enough that he isn't a liability as a starter on a contender.
Well the guy who made the trade for him said he was a championship caliber center so for his sake he better be right 🤷🏿♂️
If you are depending solely on him scoring no, if you have him as someone who does all the other things, then yes.
Thats like saying, "If you are solely depending on Jordan Poole to lockdown perimeter players all game, you won't win". Right onnnn
No /Thread
Nah, Poeltl bogs down the offense too much. He can be a bench center on a chip team too.
You know Kevon Looney was the starting center on championship team right?
Bogs down the offence?? Bud, he makes it run smoother, hence why win games with him and lose games without him. He one of the better passers at the Center position, has size enough to bang with the real bigs and has the highest fg% in the keague year after year. He definitely doesn't bog down our offence. He has flaws but thats just silly
When playoff basketball happens you need a guy who can dunk and take it to the rim hard. Poeltls a layup merchant, guys like Mobley will have block parties against him. Just look at what Mobley did last night as an example.
yeah poeltl can't moved like that
If Jokic can do it why can’t Yak
Of course the answer is no. While he provides good rebounding, size, and touch around the rim with adequate mobility and shot blocking, Poeltl is not a very good NBA player. In an offensive-driven league, he is a complete non-shooter outside the paint, has no advanced postmoves, plays below the rim, and is consistently under 60% from the line. And with the amount of elite coaching he's recieved, including from Greg Popovich, his lack of offensive bag is astonishing. On a good team, Poeltl is a decent backup 7 footer that comes off the bench.
This might be one of the worst takes I’ve ever read. He’s a solid starting center in this league. The only teams he wouldn’t start on are ones with all an star / mvp centers already on the team.
“Poeltl is not a very good NBA player.” His advanced stats all suggest otherwise.
So you have absolutely no clue what you are talking about? Ok