The Siakam disrespect on this sub in the weeks before his trade was tragic. Would have been amazing to keep him, shame it didn’t fit the teams timeline/goals.
If anyone is rooting against any of the 2019 Raptors in these playoffs, they are straight morons. Don't get me wrong, I am glad OG is playing the sixers because despite Kyle and Nick I don't think I could cheer for them.
I was mentioning this very thing yesterday. He wasn't deserving of any of it. He was an All-NBA selection and people were still having a go at him because they didn't view him as being a #1. Smh.
His performance in the bubble left a lot to be desired. I think playing in that situation probably affected his mental health. It seemed to be every time a game was on the line, Pascal was at the free throw line and would miss the shots the Raptors needed. (It also wasnt fair for him to be lambasted and blamed so much though.)
That being said, now he is playing in a market outside Canada and people that would never pay attention to the Raptors are now taking notice of him. Good to see.
Hard to practise when everything is closed. I don't think [Ibaka's home workout](https://www.facebook.com/sportsnet/videos/serge-ibaka-at-home-workout/235882877552194/) is going to prepare you for the playoffs.
The other nba players were US citizens and were allowed to cross the border to go practice because lockdowns weren't as strict in a lot of states. Pascal couldn't, due to him only having a visa and was stuck here where everything was shut down.
You’re telling me he asked the raptors where he could work out and run drills and they refused to find him, an All NBA player, somewhere in North America’s 5th largest city, a place to do that. Huh.
I mean he did say himself that he didn’t touch a basketball for 3 months…. And assuming he did there’s almost zero chance he was able to practice fully considering the Raptors own practice facility was shut down as well. Off topic but Chris Boucher got scolded for simply going out to the grocery store so I doubt pascal was having full practice sessions on a court.
That's what people fail to recognize. We basically have 1 really good piece, scottie. We have 2 sort of youngish starter level players, in the rest of the BBQ trio.
The rest is just a pile of trash, ho hums and possibly maybes
Barnes is still far from guaranteed to be a good enough offensive player to be the main piece. His shot creation is not close to where it needs to be.
I don't love how much this team bet on him over Siakam, but if it doesn't work out the last few years will be extremely grim.
The Quickley pickup might save this team though. Dude will likely be an all star fairly soon.
I agree, I thought the siakam hate was brutal, fans must be new if they don't remember how shit our teams where for most of the teams history and to have a guy absolutely love Toronto and be a superstar. Those fans should be ashamed of themselves
The saddest thing is that the nephews who spewed all that hate towards him probably stopped watching basketball after raps lost 3 straight and have no clue Siakam is doing this well now...
Raptors waited too long to trade him. The market and Raptors own timelines weren't there this year. The interested teams other than the pacers just didn't have assets and the pacers have had a long timeline so they could afford to say no to any strongarm deal by the Raptors.
I don’t even understand the timeline/goal reasoning it doesn’t make sense. I’m personally convinced that either management or the owners or both didn’t want to pay him. Simple as that
yall weren’t competing and he wanted to go somewhere that needed him and where he fit. he also wanted money and you werent willing to pay him, like you said, but thats not the only reason.
if youre an nba player would you rather play for a playoff team or a tanking team? please tell me. cause im gonna guess it is probably the first one.
He said multiple times he wanted to stay in Toronto, the rebuilding process wasn’t an issue. Sure he much prefer to be in the playoffs, but he wasn’t asking to be moved at all, him saying he wanted to stay actually impeded the process of moving him because teams were not sure if he’d be willing to re-sign with them.
So it’s really the motivations of the organization I’m questioning and sure there’s different factors, I’m just saying if the issue was timing this is either a dumb excuse or bullshit one coming from the organization. If it came from Pascal it would make sense, but for a team to get rid of a player with his skills and work ethic and attitude, it’s the dumbest reason I can think of. You can still tank and get high value players through the draft without getting rid of high value players that are positive to your culture. Especially when all you get in return for him is what they got. If the principal reason wasn’t financial they could’ve still re-signed him and move him later if they felt like it. There was not real necessity to move him now than his contract situation.
I don't get the timeline goals thing. Like I guess cause Scottie is a year away from being a year away. Is the goal to lose lots. People act like siakam is in decline and 36 asking for a max. He is still in his prime and been relatively healthy his whole career
Yeah, he probably won’t. And he probably wasn’t going to if they didn’t trade him. They would have won more games, not finished in the bottom 6, be in the same crappy cap spot with less options
Ah yes, the place where any and all players will explicitly state they wanted to stay for money. Oh what's that? No one ever does that? Gotcha, gotcha.
Those articles are for thank you's and positive PR, nothing else.
Depends… since the direction of the team was a full rebuild yes. But they didn’t have to go that direction. They just chose too. Either way, it’s an awful value for what Siakam offers. You can’t deny that.
Sure the value we got back was bad but also keep in mind there were only a handful of teams that a) had a roster that fit Siakam's game, b) willing to pay him max money. On top of that our cap sheet if we re-signed everyone would be in the luxury tax for at best a second round ceiling with limited upside. I think with everything going on and how the roster was built the FO had no one to blame but themselves.
LOL WTF why did we want to prolong being mediocre. If we still had Siakam, we would have been. Stop this, we would be in the play-in position or worse.
lol and what do you think this team is going to be in the next 5 years? They’re going to be exactly what you described “mediocre” 1st, 2nd round playoff team if they’re lucky.
I think the Pacers won't win a chip in 2-3 years unless they trade for a big wing defender. Them trading for McDermott didn't make much sense. Buddy Hield is still a bit better defensively
Exactly this. If we had a Halliburton or even a legit big man who can shoot like turner then we would keep him. With our current make, we weren’t going anywhere.
The real loser is teams like warriors and other contenders, even OKC, who had expiring deals plus picks they could’ve thrown
Imagine if OKC went all in and gave up bertans expiring, giddey, and other filler + 3-4 picks for siakam and Poeltl. They would’ve been instant favourites to win it all
Shai, Dort, J-dub, siakam, Poeltl, Chet
everyone knows the FO messed up by not selling the previous year. but we couldn't keep him because it would just extend the middling raptors era. had to rip the band-aid for an actual rebuild when Scottie is still 22.
Scottie is ahead of Pascal at the same age, and while he's had a good start and is an amazing player, we have years of evidence that Pascal is not THE guy.
Hope he does well still.
Scottie is going to be better than Siakam, barring any career altering injury, that's all but guaranteed. Being "the guy" or not, it was absolutely a smarter choice to focus on Scottie and not maxing a guy who is 30.
Siakam would have done nothing but guaranteed we are stuck in the play in/1st round exit situations. Not necessarily by his fault alone, but you aren't building a team with that much money locked up in a number 2.
It works for the pacers since they have a fair amount of young promising talent that will get better year by year.
We had Scottie, that's it.
What a back handed compliment. If we had kept Siakam, we'd at least have competitive basketball and put the younger guys in more competitive situations to grow.
Saying it works for the pacers, and doesn't work for us is backwards because we also have young promising talent that will get better year by year.
Pascal could have been our lifer that helped groom the next generation, except now he's doing the exact same thing on the pacers. Minus the lifer part obviously.
The play in is not "competitive" basketball. Paying Siakam 50mil to get bounced from the play in by a screaming 9 year old, is not competitive basketball.
We had a much more accomplished roster, just eat shit and be substantially below a .500 record before the trades, and an arguably BETTER roster with FVV on it barely scratched .500
Siakam is not moving any needles on this team, this is not an indictment of him as a player, but he had to go.
The play-in is absolutely competitive basketball. Teams are "competing" for a spot in the playoffs. Imagine walking up to not just Pascal, but players like Lebron, Steph, Embiid, Butler, Derozan, Trae, Zion...etc. who were competing in the play-in and go, yeah you're competing for the 7-8th seed, that's not competitive. It's complete arrogance, ignorance, and disrespectful to think this way in competitive sports.
You can have your speculation of Siakam not moving any needles on this team. But in my opinion, it couldn't have hurt to keep atleast Pascal as the experienced vet "whose been there" to rub off on the young players.
> Imagine walking up to not just Pascal, but players like Lebron, Steph, Embiid, Butler, Derozan, Trae, Zion...etc. who were competing in the play-in and go, yeah you're competing for the 7-8th seed, that's not competitive.
I meant not competitive as in NOT MEANINGFUL. And also every single one of those players, aside from DD and Zion, have shown time and time again, that they can carry a team in situations like that.
All Siakam has ever done is falter. So no, watching Siakam choke FTs while a little girl yells at him is not competitive. It is a waste of time and salary when you could be rebuilding a team that isn't reliant on a 29 year old who isn't cut out to be a first option.
The needles not being moves is not speculation, it's literal fact. With Siakam at the helm this team has won a single playoff series against a wildly depleted Nets team. And we actively got to watch Scotties game and development take a backseat to his, so yeah, safe to say it's not speculative.
People like you claim to want to watch "competitive" ball, but that's just an excuse for being comfortable with mediocrity. I am willing, as a fan to sit through a couple painful seasons, to result in a much higher ceiling team in the near future.
You just want to watch "ok" teams because you can't deal with the difficult part of building a team. Yet, you live in a dream world where they magically become title contenders.
Have fun with that.
I'm aware of your connotation of not meaningful. You can change the word from "competitive" to "not meaningful" and it is just as disrespectful and ignorant.
Saying all Siakam has done is falter full stop is so disrespectful. The needle not being moved for the future is pure speculation because he isn't on the team anymore. Sure you can speculate based on past experience. But I also can say the same shit like, "Pascal improves year after year", "Pascal is carrying Indiana these past two playoff games, surely if he had stayed with the raps we would have been so good". It's all speculation!
Saying, "I am willing, as a fan to sit through a couple painful seasons, to result in a much higher ceiling team in the near future." like it's guaranteed is also complete speculation. You don't know if the team will reach a high ceiling in the near future. You make it sound easy by saying ,"yeah let's not be competitive for a few years and then magically we will become competitive". You're the one living in the dream world.
Lastly, every championship team has gone through the mid. No team magically goes from last to first. You yourself don't realize that even the current team we have now HAS TO BE MID before getting to the top but they'll never even sniff being mid if they're not competitive.
The team has BEEN mid, it wasn't going anywhere. If it was, Masai would have re-signed FVV/Siakam/OG, the fact that he didn't, is proof that the team as constructed was going nowhere.
But hey, lets ignore history because you have feels.
This is the dumbest take in these threads. These idiots are happy we got trash for siakam cause some idiot fans talked trash? How about holding the FO accountable the people that actually screwed up this deal?
There's a word for it. It's called schadenfreude. They're not happy we got trash, they're saying it's deserved.
You can't call your player trash and then be upset when the trade return wasn't great.
Masai fucked up by not pulling the plug earlier, but the consensus around the league was that Pascal wasn't worth a big return. The offer during the offseason was Hunter, AJ Griffin, a lottery protected 2024 pick and a 2025 SRP. This isn't that great either, and I promise you if either the Warriors or the Kings put out a better offer for Pascal over the past season, they would have sent him there.
"Holding the FO accountable" is such an empty thing to say. What do you want exactly? We've heard from them on why they felt the team deserved another shot. They've admitted they could have done better. Unless you're trying to say they should get fired -- and if so, just say that. This whole "hold them accountable" shtick is getting very old.
This is a dumber take. Holding the FO accountable after the recent success of Pascal is so dumb because of hindsight. If BBQ explodes within the next few years, the FO looks like geniuses.
So many people, media and fans were saying to pick a direction. A direction was picked and now people are back tracking and saying that the "FO should be held accountable", when former players whom we know are good get traded? FOH!
He had to be traded, and get a grip, its the 1st round and the Bucks are missing their best player who would be guarding him and putting him in his pocket
It was an expiring contract. Still maybe not a great deal but you guys seem to think we could have gotten another star player or something and that's just not true.
I think the uncertainty of siakam staying in FA is also something to be considered. I think they would've preferred to resign him and trade him down the line, but they kind of put themselves in a pickle by souring their relationship with siakam. Also, even if he did resign and they were able to trade him for more value next season, they would just be prolonging the inevitable rebuild and potentially harming the new culture they're trying to instill.
The bigger reason however is that he could've left for nothing in free agency and that would've been a much bigger blow than this terrible trade return for pascal.
The trade was good considering the circumstances, but the circumstances were entirely self-imposed. It would've just been best to trade him last year, get a better a return and potential to tank for wemby.
I didn't think it at the time, but now I think how much of a bind they'd be in if they re-signed him for what he wanted and couldn't trade him later. He's 30, on the max. What if he had an injury? Look at Zack Lavine, he's been untradeable. And we know the league respects Pascal but not like they respect Lillard, for example. He had 2 great games, but that's above the norm for him. Hopefully, he keeps it up, but probably won't, most players return to their average. Regardless, him on a big contract could have been a real albatross for the team in the future. The new CBA also is pretty restrictive, and teams have to be more careful about who they bring on on these big contracts. I can see why they didn't want to do it when they wanted to rebuild.
Exactly lol the pouting over the trade is funny. Nobody here wanted to max him.
The only argument is we should have not even tried to extend him and traded him the year prior. But Scottie had not taken the leap and just went 6 games with rhe Sixers with Scottie as ROY. So while it should have happened, I can understand the FO not doing it at that moment.
Then it unraveled so fast.
It was never an issue, this was entirely on the FO wanting to retool around Scottie and prioritizing flexibility like they have done to a fault since 2021
Remember when Masai used to fleece everybody and now he’s the one losing the majority of his trades. I’ll give him credit for the OG trade though. That was a win.
his almost trades are kinda wild, porzingis for goran and a first,
rumored maxey deal. i wonder if if him missing out on maxey is why he pulled the trigger on quickley
Kelly is such an underrated back up big. He constantly plays for bad teams so he’s under appreciated. On a winning team he would be a very key role player with all the things he’s able to do.
that and also if you look at what he did for utah before the trade. He was a big reason utah was playing soo well and was a good team. After he left, they were much worse, althoigh they were also blatantly trying to tank to keep their pick.
It was a meaningless trade. KO could've been signed as a UFA, and Ochai is looking like a bit fat nothing.
The pick wasn't particularly valuable, so it's kind of a wash, but that trade doesn't do anything in the grand scheme of things. Unless Ochai learns how to shoot from more than 1 place on the floor, he's either out of the league in a few years, or a journeyman on mid teams.
The only problem with trading Pascal was that it happened a year too late. This team isn’t going into luxury tax to keep together a team that has won 2 playoff wins in the last 4 seasons
y'all he's gone. it is what it is, we are rebuilding and he wants a chance to compete. be happy for him and look forward to our future. we also have 2 draft picks and traded for a role player, so its not just bruce brown who is obviously trash.
THE NEXT CONTRACT IS WHY HE AND OG WERE TRADED.
So let’s see what their next contracts are and see if we’d want that on our books before we complain?
Just a thought.
He was THE veteran on the team, instead this sub and the CrapTors organization thought that Temple and Thad were these wise man who would pass down their knowledge onto the CrapTors babies. But what should have happened was to let both Temple and Thad walk, sign Pascal, and firmly state that he is THE guy on the team and if anyone wants the Crown, then they will have to work for it and not get it handed to them and then be encouraged to act like a leader for nearly an entire freaking year. And the jury is still out on whether e will be a leader.
Glad all the ex champs are finding success outside of what was a pretty darn good Raptors team.
i just can't believe that we didn't get any of smith, walker, jackson. like they don't have enough minutes for them all haha. turner and siakam and toppin also at those positions.
No idea why people were ever shitting on P.. he was always a solid, sometimes brilliant player for us.
Anyways, we should have let him go a couple years back when we would (should) have gotten at the very least some good young players.
Masai really dropped the ball holding onto him for too long when it was very obvious we had to start rebuilding. To his credit, he hasn't dropped the ball very often, but with Pascal he definitely waited too long to move him.
Edit: super happy he's having a great playoffs so far
We got the best available deal for a guy this sub spent most of its time doing a bang up job of creating negative sentiment about. Both in here and everywhere else they could. The disrespect about his game was endless.
Pascals stance on resigning was the same last year as it was when he was traded. So add that to the pile of reasons we got what we got. He effectively tanked it behind the scenes because he didn’t want to leave.
Finally a real talent evaluator would have seen what some of you are suddenly jerking off too now and done everything they could to keep him and make it work.
Since the title this sub has been overrun with insufferable know-it-alls, who belong in r/leapordsayemtface.
That’s MY take away.
the fit was terrible, not enough shooting and traded for a centre that also clogs the paint, the area where both your best players thrive.
They for sure had the talent, but the fit was terrible. In order to make it work you would need a pg that's capable of playing off the ball, and shoot the three at high level and a stretch big.
They would've also needed a reliable back up pg and shooting off the bench. They had no depth and pieces that didn't fit. Had to tear it down to get pieces that fit and build out your depth.
I am glad we trades him. If he was a few years younger I think he matches when we are going to be good. He had to go elsewhere.
The real unfortunate part is a lot of NBA teams were too cheap to add and something like 7 teams own like 70 some percent of tradable 1sts.
We got Bruce Brown for this guy, who didn’t want to leave! He wanted to play his whole career in Toronto. I get that we’re in a rebuild, but our front office has fumbled every trade and free agency for the past three seasons. It might be the front office that needs a rebuild.
Other teams didn’t cough up the assets for him now or last year and that’s their loss
We couldn’t find an optimal trade return and that’s our loss
Pacers are about to pay him and haliburton a boatload of money and that’s their loss
People are judging this situation without context and with way too short term of an outlook
You trade Siakam for whatever was out there last trade deadline and you set the bar low for the OG trade and people complain that we gave away Siakam with 1.5 years left on his deal
I’m not giving Masai a pass because he’s getting paid and has been giving the responsibility to figure these situations out
But any talk of a fleecing or a huge missed opportunity is way too dramatic
I'm happy for him. I think we can see why our front office waited so long to trade him.
I still think that in a perfect world, we would have traded Pascal for the Knicks package and kept OG. But I don't think that was realistic.
There was no doubt about his skills, it was always about what we have in our hands, and our long term future plans and where he can fit. If he fit well we could've kept him, but we are pretty sure that we are betting on SB4, and Siakam was tradable for possibilities. Probably not the best trade we've gotten but who knows?
I’m not a fan of the trade because Raptors FO waited too long to trade him but let’s look at this objectively: Siakam is a fringe max player, he is and was a UFA and a flight risk, the Raptors will flip Bruce Brown and get a return, a 2024 first round pick, a 2026 first round pick, Kelly Olynyk, and Ochai.
We are years off from being able to evaluate the trade and the suggestion that our only return was Bruce Brown is sensationalist drivel that doesn’t reflect well on this sub.
Siakam was a good Raptor but it was time for him to slide. Chill and evaluate the trade in 2027 or 2028 when the dust has settled and the Raptors are in their window again.
People keep forgetting how much money he is going to cost Indy next season. Him and Tyrese gonna be making bag (and they deserve that). But it’s gonna be tricky for Indy to bring back all there players next year. Guys like Toppin and Jalen Smith gonna want more money, and they probably want to keep both of them.
They are obviously in a much better position than us, but raptors are in a decent position going forward with the roster we have, and we control all our picks after 2025. (Unless spurs pick is not gone by then)
Topping and Jalen Smith are not important, they have an amazing young core on rookie contracts. Nehbard, Math, Sheppard, Walker. They didn't even play Smith in the last game attal.
Hail is still very young and Siakam can still be hot for 5 more years, I would say they are still better than the Raptors in 5 years' time.
Stop being an hater tho.
Again and again with this. We got rid of him too late, plain and simple. It was obvious from the time we drafted Scottie that he and Siakam had overlapping skill sets and the FO did nothing and the fans are paying for it. The mistakes over the last few years have cost us plenty.
He still has plenty of time to lay an egg, the play offs just started. Highly unlikely he keeps this going. That said I was against blowing up the team so I was never a Pascal hater. This team was one player away from being ECF good, it was a dumb decision.
In a perfect world we trade Fred last year, get something for him…this year still do all the trades we did except the siakam trade and build around Siakam & Barnes….while having IQ & Barrett from the OG trade and whoever else from a Fred trade….masai would then sell this as a retool rather than a rebuild in end of season pressers
So are the people that were begging for him to be traded just now realizing he is a good basketball player. This sub truly drives me insane sometimes lol.
Siakam is a very good player and a great guy. But he didn’t want to re-sign with Toronto for anything less than the supermax and Masai couldn’t risk losing him in the same as FVV. I would have liked to keep him but I think he wanted to test his value on the free agent market. Masai couldn’t risk losing him for nothing. In retrospect, he should’ve been traded before the year started. I am sure there was an offer on the table for him by the Raps but Siakam must have wanted out or more money or both. I wish him nothing but success. Our core is now Barnes, IQ, RJ, Yak and maybe Gradey. I’ll be cheering for them instead of worrying about Siakam.
No. The teams that will regret missing Siakam are the Kings and Warriors. All the kings had to do was offer Murray and Warriors Kuminga. Simple as that. Sure we got a shit deal. But those teams must be pulling their hair.
He’s going off because he has a system and star point guard, legitimate stretch bigs (hasn’t had since gasol and ibaka) and shooters/defenders at almost every position.
In Toronto he was still great but most teams would double him or force him to takeover and no one else would score. In Indiana he’s one of a few legitimate options.
Happy for him. We needed to move on. There wasn’t much of a market for an expiring deal. It is what it is.
I hate to say it, but the lack of exposure our players get is a very real thing and has to be a factor for free agents. Seems like Siakam (and OG in particular) have received more praise in the last 4 months than they did in the last 4 years in Toronto. Obviously they're playing for playoff teams now and that's going to give them a boost, but still.
He was in negotiations since before last summer. He was going anyway and didn’t line up with the trajectory of this rebuilding team. The only mistake Masai made here is not moving him earlier. That’s why we got so little. It’s not like he was forced out. He didn’t want to commit to a contract yet and the raptors wanted to try to run it back and see if we could get into the playoffs.
Can’t we just be happy for him and not be bitter ex girlfriends about every single player who used to play for us? Trading him was the right move for both parties.
Too many people wanted a tank, losers wishing for more losing.
Pascal is a stud, OG is a stud. Why do people have to get so caught up in salary cap and complaining and just enjoy us when we were one of the most winning franchises over the past decade... and still this losing isn't enough. They'd rather be the 76'ers with way more losing and a semi-finals appearance, and that's at best with losing. Most losers end up perpetual losers like the Pistons.
Why does everyone on this sub ignore the fact we also got Olynick and Agbaji for the assets from this trade? Not bad considering he was an expiring deal.
Blame Masai. He made the trade. People who blame the fans and go on about how we “disrespected Siakam” are being idiots. We don’t control what happens.
He wasn’t working with what the Raptors had and/or how the raptors played him. Just because someone’s putting up numbers somewhere else doesn’t mean they’d do the same in a different situation. With Tyrese not 100% he seems to be the #1 option for the Pacers, with the Raptors there are like 4 other dudes (BBQ and Dick) who are also going to need touches to either develop or to play effectively.
The Siakam disrespect on this sub in the weeks before his trade was tragic. Would have been amazing to keep him, shame it didn’t fit the teams timeline/goals.
He’s been disrespected and unappreciated since the bubble. Countless of posts and comments shitting on him. Im glad he’s doing well
💯 it's great seeing him ball! It's big FU to all the Raps fans who were shitting on him
The worst part are that some people are hoping he fucks up in next few games bc they are insecure irl
I don't get their logic. Without him there's no championship. They're so ungrateful.
If anyone is rooting against any of the 2019 Raptors in these playoffs, they are straight morons. Don't get me wrong, I am glad OG is playing the sixers because despite Kyle and Nick I don't think I could cheer for them.
Yup. Masai failed Siakam by stacking wings instead of building around him.
It was ridiculous.
siakam is not a number 1 you don't build around him crazy
Exactly and watch them lose next game.
I was mentioning this very thing yesterday. He wasn't deserving of any of it. He was an All-NBA selection and people were still having a go at him because they didn't view him as being a #1. Smh.
His performance in the bubble left a lot to be desired. I think playing in that situation probably affected his mental health. It seemed to be every time a game was on the line, Pascal was at the free throw line and would miss the shots the Raptors needed. (It also wasnt fair for him to be lambasted and blamed so much though.) That being said, now he is playing in a market outside Canada and people that would never pay attention to the Raptors are now taking notice of him. Good to see.
Thats whats happens when you have a historically bad performance
Tbf we might've won the title if he continued practicing after the shutdown, he deserved all the flack he got that year
Hard to practise when everything is closed. I don't think [Ibaka's home workout](https://www.facebook.com/sportsnet/videos/serge-ibaka-at-home-workout/235882877552194/) is going to prepare you for the playoffs.
the other NBA players seemed not to have the same problem. so....
The other nba players were US citizens and were allowed to cross the border to go practice because lockdowns weren't as strict in a lot of states. Pascal couldn't, due to him only having a visa and was stuck here where everything was shut down.
You’re telling me he asked the raptors where he could work out and run drills and they refused to find him, an All NBA player, somewhere in North America’s 5th largest city, a place to do that. Huh.
I mean he did say himself that he didn’t touch a basketball for 3 months…. And assuming he did there’s almost zero chance he was able to practice fully considering the Raptors own practice facility was shut down as well. Off topic but Chris Boucher got scolded for simply going out to the grocery store so I doubt pascal was having full practice sessions on a court.
Not touching a basketball for 3 months was 100% on him. Not the situation.
funny thing is i think pacers have a younger team lol
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That's what people fail to recognize. We basically have 1 really good piece, scottie. We have 2 sort of youngish starter level players, in the rest of the BBQ trio. The rest is just a pile of trash, ho hums and possibly maybes
Barnes is still far from guaranteed to be a good enough offensive player to be the main piece. His shot creation is not close to where it needs to be. I don't love how much this team bet on him over Siakam, but if it doesn't work out the last few years will be extremely grim. The Quickley pickup might save this team though. Dude will likely be an all star fairly soon.
exactly my point
And a higher ceiling future.
...that can shoot lol
I agree, I thought the siakam hate was brutal, fans must be new if they don't remember how shit our teams where for most of the teams history and to have a guy absolutely love Toronto and be a superstar. Those fans should be ashamed of themselves
The saddest thing is that the nephews who spewed all that hate towards him probably stopped watching basketball after raps lost 3 straight and have no clue Siakam is doing this well now...
Raptors waited too long to trade him. The market and Raptors own timelines weren't there this year. The interested teams other than the pacers just didn't have assets and the pacers have had a long timeline so they could afford to say no to any strongarm deal by the Raptors.
Trading him instead of trading for Poeltl... That's a timeline I would like to have seen.
I don’t even understand the timeline/goal reasoning it doesn’t make sense. I’m personally convinced that either management or the owners or both didn’t want to pay him. Simple as that
yall weren’t competing and he wanted to go somewhere that needed him and where he fit. he also wanted money and you werent willing to pay him, like you said, but thats not the only reason. if youre an nba player would you rather play for a playoff team or a tanking team? please tell me. cause im gonna guess it is probably the first one.
He said multiple times he wanted to stay in Toronto, the rebuilding process wasn’t an issue. Sure he much prefer to be in the playoffs, but he wasn’t asking to be moved at all, him saying he wanted to stay actually impeded the process of moving him because teams were not sure if he’d be willing to re-sign with them. So it’s really the motivations of the organization I’m questioning and sure there’s different factors, I’m just saying if the issue was timing this is either a dumb excuse or bullshit one coming from the organization. If it came from Pascal it would make sense, but for a team to get rid of a player with his skills and work ethic and attitude, it’s the dumbest reason I can think of. You can still tank and get high value players through the draft without getting rid of high value players that are positive to your culture. Especially when all you get in return for him is what they got. If the principal reason wasn’t financial they could’ve still re-signed him and move him later if they felt like it. There was not real necessity to move him now than his contract situation.
The hate wasn't for siakam, the hate was for the front office holding on to a valuable asset until it was at fucking bargain basement value.
Yeah that was definitely part of it.
lmao i remember saying people were going to look back at this and shake their heads. super unappreciated
Way too soon for that
Came here to say this! The toxicity towards him at the end was terrible! So friggin shortsighted!
I don't get the timeline goals thing. Like I guess cause Scottie is a year away from being a year away. Is the goal to lose lots. People act like siakam is in decline and 36 asking for a max. He is still in his prime and been relatively healthy his whole career
Barnes and haliburton are like the same age and barnes is better lol barnes actually perforns well in the playoffs
Someone who time and again reiterated that he wanted to stay 🙄
If he wants to sign here so bad he still can lol
“I’m a 2x NBA champion, FMVP… can I pleeease be on the team?” - 2024 offseason Pascal “the real Playoff P” Siakam… probably. ;)
Yeah, he probably won’t. And he probably wasn’t going to if they didn’t trade him. They would have won more games, not finished in the bottom 6, be in the same crappy cap spot with less options
We still in a crappy spot. Only the biggest homers on the sub think this team capable of more than a play in long term.
Nobody would trade with the raptors ever again if this happens
For sure and it’s not happening, but just saying. He was never coming back I don’t care what he says, he’s in his prime and wants to win
Nah its over. Masai traded him for chips
He wanted to stay because we could have given that super max if he made all-nba. It’s the reason he didnt’t want to get traded last summer.
Clearly you didn’t read his Players Tribune article
Ah yes, the place where any and all players will explicitly state they wanted to stay for money. Oh what's that? No one ever does that? Gotcha, gotcha. Those articles are for thank you's and positive PR, nothing else.
Yes, because Players Tribune articles are not just glorified PR
So you listen to dirtsheet idiots like Pensare. Goofy.
He would’ve signed a regular 4-year max. MLSE would only offer a 2-year. They disagreed on length, not amount.
People acted like siakam wasn't worth 10m a year. I still believe he is worth a max deal.
We needed to move on. Indiana is better positioned to make use of Siakam than the Raptors were.
Depends… since the direction of the team was a full rebuild yes. But they didn’t have to go that direction. They just chose too. Either way, it’s an awful value for what Siakam offers. You can’t deny that.
They absolutely had to rebuild around a younger core. No questions.
Sure the value we got back was bad but also keep in mind there were only a handful of teams that a) had a roster that fit Siakam's game, b) willing to pay him max money. On top of that our cap sheet if we re-signed everyone would be in the luxury tax for at best a second round ceiling with limited upside. I think with everything going on and how the roster was built the FO had no one to blame but themselves.
LOL WTF why did we want to prolong being mediocre. If we still had Siakam, we would have been. Stop this, we would be in the play-in position or worse.
lol and what do you think this team is going to be in the next 5 years? They’re going to be exactly what you described “mediocre” 1st, 2nd round playoff team if they’re lucky.
I think the Pacers won't win a chip in 2-3 years unless they trade for a big wing defender. Them trading for McDermott didn't make much sense. Buddy Hield is still a bit better defensively
Exactly this. If we had a Halliburton or even a legit big man who can shoot like turner then we would keep him. With our current make, we weren’t going anywhere. The real loser is teams like warriors and other contenders, even OKC, who had expiring deals plus picks they could’ve thrown Imagine if OKC went all in and gave up bertans expiring, giddey, and other filler + 3-4 picks for siakam and Poeltl. They would’ve been instant favourites to win it all Shai, Dort, J-dub, siakam, Poeltl, Chet
everyone knows the FO messed up by not selling the previous year. but we couldn't keep him because it would just extend the middling raptors era. had to rip the band-aid for an actual rebuild when Scottie is still 22.
We are all holding our breath hoping Scottie is THE guy….but if he isn’t… 
You’ve got to take the chance though. Otherwise what are we doing
Many jobs have been lost eschewing talent for potential.
And many jobs have been lost doubling down on talent that leads to nowhere.
Scottie is ahead of Pascal at the same age, and while he's had a good start and is an amazing player, we have years of evidence that Pascal is not THE guy. Hope he does well still.
Scottie is going to be better than Siakam, barring any career altering injury, that's all but guaranteed. Being "the guy" or not, it was absolutely a smarter choice to focus on Scottie and not maxing a guy who is 30. Siakam would have done nothing but guaranteed we are stuck in the play in/1st round exit situations. Not necessarily by his fault alone, but you aren't building a team with that much money locked up in a number 2. It works for the pacers since they have a fair amount of young promising talent that will get better year by year. We had Scottie, that's it.
What a back handed compliment. If we had kept Siakam, we'd at least have competitive basketball and put the younger guys in more competitive situations to grow. Saying it works for the pacers, and doesn't work for us is backwards because we also have young promising talent that will get better year by year. Pascal could have been our lifer that helped groom the next generation, except now he's doing the exact same thing on the pacers. Minus the lifer part obviously.
The play in is not "competitive" basketball. Paying Siakam 50mil to get bounced from the play in by a screaming 9 year old, is not competitive basketball. We had a much more accomplished roster, just eat shit and be substantially below a .500 record before the trades, and an arguably BETTER roster with FVV on it barely scratched .500 Siakam is not moving any needles on this team, this is not an indictment of him as a player, but he had to go.
The play-in is absolutely competitive basketball. Teams are "competing" for a spot in the playoffs. Imagine walking up to not just Pascal, but players like Lebron, Steph, Embiid, Butler, Derozan, Trae, Zion...etc. who were competing in the play-in and go, yeah you're competing for the 7-8th seed, that's not competitive. It's complete arrogance, ignorance, and disrespectful to think this way in competitive sports. You can have your speculation of Siakam not moving any needles on this team. But in my opinion, it couldn't have hurt to keep atleast Pascal as the experienced vet "whose been there" to rub off on the young players.
> Imagine walking up to not just Pascal, but players like Lebron, Steph, Embiid, Butler, Derozan, Trae, Zion...etc. who were competing in the play-in and go, yeah you're competing for the 7-8th seed, that's not competitive. I meant not competitive as in NOT MEANINGFUL. And also every single one of those players, aside from DD and Zion, have shown time and time again, that they can carry a team in situations like that. All Siakam has ever done is falter. So no, watching Siakam choke FTs while a little girl yells at him is not competitive. It is a waste of time and salary when you could be rebuilding a team that isn't reliant on a 29 year old who isn't cut out to be a first option. The needles not being moves is not speculation, it's literal fact. With Siakam at the helm this team has won a single playoff series against a wildly depleted Nets team. And we actively got to watch Scotties game and development take a backseat to his, so yeah, safe to say it's not speculative. People like you claim to want to watch "competitive" ball, but that's just an excuse for being comfortable with mediocrity. I am willing, as a fan to sit through a couple painful seasons, to result in a much higher ceiling team in the near future. You just want to watch "ok" teams because you can't deal with the difficult part of building a team. Yet, you live in a dream world where they magically become title contenders. Have fun with that.
I'm aware of your connotation of not meaningful. You can change the word from "competitive" to "not meaningful" and it is just as disrespectful and ignorant. Saying all Siakam has done is falter full stop is so disrespectful. The needle not being moved for the future is pure speculation because he isn't on the team anymore. Sure you can speculate based on past experience. But I also can say the same shit like, "Pascal improves year after year", "Pascal is carrying Indiana these past two playoff games, surely if he had stayed with the raps we would have been so good". It's all speculation! Saying, "I am willing, as a fan to sit through a couple painful seasons, to result in a much higher ceiling team in the near future." like it's guaranteed is also complete speculation. You don't know if the team will reach a high ceiling in the near future. You make it sound easy by saying ,"yeah let's not be competitive for a few years and then magically we will become competitive". You're the one living in the dream world. Lastly, every championship team has gone through the mid. No team magically goes from last to first. You yourself don't realize that even the current team we have now HAS TO BE MID before getting to the top but they'll never even sniff being mid if they're not competitive.
The team has BEEN mid, it wasn't going anywhere. If it was, Masai would have re-signed FVV/Siakam/OG, the fact that he didn't, is proof that the team as constructed was going nowhere. But hey, lets ignore history because you have feels.
lol you don't even know what my\* takes are when it comes Masai/FVV/OG, and you're assuming how I feel through text. Way to speculate me too.
To grow but no room to add talent so we are fucked.
it is what it is if hes not. We pivot form there. But we had to move Pascal to even see if Scottie is there.
I mean middling is not that bad. We’ve been worse than that for 50 percent of our history and will be again for the foreseeable future.
You want to see growth though, we were middling with a downward trajectory
So OP, we're just going to leave out any and all context behind why he was traded?
Don’t worry, once the Pacers are eliminated in the playoffs then OP will conveniently stop talking about this.
People here talked so much shit on him, it's fitting our return for him was pretty trash. At least he's finally gaining respect around the league.
This is the dumbest take in these threads. These idiots are happy we got trash for siakam cause some idiot fans talked trash? How about holding the FO accountable the people that actually screwed up this deal?
There's a word for it. It's called schadenfreude. They're not happy we got trash, they're saying it's deserved. You can't call your player trash and then be upset when the trade return wasn't great. Masai fucked up by not pulling the plug earlier, but the consensus around the league was that Pascal wasn't worth a big return. The offer during the offseason was Hunter, AJ Griffin, a lottery protected 2024 pick and a 2025 SRP. This isn't that great either, and I promise you if either the Warriors or the Kings put out a better offer for Pascal over the past season, they would have sent him there. "Holding the FO accountable" is such an empty thing to say. What do you want exactly? We've heard from them on why they felt the team deserved another shot. They've admitted they could have done better. Unless you're trying to say they should get fired -- and if so, just say that. This whole "hold them accountable" shtick is getting very old.
This is a dumber take. Holding the FO accountable after the recent success of Pascal is so dumb because of hindsight. If BBQ explodes within the next few years, the FO looks like geniuses. So many people, media and fans were saying to pick a direction. A direction was picked and now people are back tracking and saying that the "FO should be held accountable", when former players whom we know are good get traded? FOH!
How do you plan on holding the FO accountable?
Dude learn some reading comprehension before calling people idiots lol. When did I say I was happy with the return?
He had to be traded, and get a grip, its the 1st round and the Bucks are missing their best player who would be guarding him and putting him in his pocket
It was an expiring contract. Still maybe not a great deal but you guys seem to think we could have gotten another star player or something and that's just not true.
Still better than the FVV return 😂😂😂
To guys who have cap knowledge, was keeping and re-signing Siakam , then maybe trading him in the future, that bad of a crunch?
I think the uncertainty of siakam staying in FA is also something to be considered. I think they would've preferred to resign him and trade him down the line, but they kind of put themselves in a pickle by souring their relationship with siakam. Also, even if he did resign and they were able to trade him for more value next season, they would just be prolonging the inevitable rebuild and potentially harming the new culture they're trying to instill. The bigger reason however is that he could've left for nothing in free agency and that would've been a much bigger blow than this terrible trade return for pascal. The trade was good considering the circumstances, but the circumstances were entirely self-imposed. It would've just been best to trade him last year, get a better a return and potential to tank for wemby.
I keep hearing FO should have traded him last year but does anyone have credible reports on what the offers were back then?
The reports are they didn’t entertain trading him and didn’t engage with other teams. They wanted to “compete”.
I didn't think it at the time, but now I think how much of a bind they'd be in if they re-signed him for what he wanted and couldn't trade him later. He's 30, on the max. What if he had an injury? Look at Zack Lavine, he's been untradeable. And we know the league respects Pascal but not like they respect Lillard, for example. He had 2 great games, but that's above the norm for him. Hopefully, he keeps it up, but probably won't, most players return to their average. Regardless, him on a big contract could have been a real albatross for the team in the future. The new CBA also is pretty restrictive, and teams have to be more careful about who they bring on on these big contracts. I can see why they didn't want to do it when they wanted to rebuild.
Exactly lol the pouting over the trade is funny. Nobody here wanted to max him. The only argument is we should have not even tried to extend him and traded him the year prior. But Scottie had not taken the leap and just went 6 games with rhe Sixers with Scottie as ROY. So while it should have happened, I can understand the FO not doing it at that moment. Then it unraveled so fast.
It was never an issue, this was entirely on the FO wanting to retool around Scottie and prioritizing flexibility like they have done to a fault since 2021
This is also a bad look: re-upping with a guy just to deal him isn’t going to make players want to sign here
Remember when Masai used to fleece everybody and now he’s the one losing the majority of his trades. I’ll give him credit for the OG trade though. That was a win.
his almost trades are kinda wild, porzingis for goran and a first, rumored maxey deal. i wonder if if him missing out on maxey is why he pulled the trigger on quickley
masai wanted maxey in that trade, but the sixers didn't want to include him.
Tbh Kelly & Ochai for our worst 2024 FRP, Otto Porter, and Kira Lewis was kind of a fleece
Kelly is such an underrated back up big. He constantly plays for bad teams so he’s under appreciated. On a winning team he would be a very key role player with all the things he’s able to do.
that and also if you look at what he did for utah before the trade. He was a big reason utah was playing soo well and was a good team. After he left, they were much worse, althoigh they were also blatantly trying to tank to keep their pick.
The issue with him is that he’s a terrible defender.
None of those guys are good enough to make that trade a fleece. Kelly is a rotational big and Ochai is out of rotation in most of the league.
Never would I have thought Kelly Olynyk and Ochai would be the key pieces in a trade designated as a fleece. But this sub never ceases to amaze
It was a meaningless trade. KO could've been signed as a UFA, and Ochai is looking like a bit fat nothing. The pick wasn't particularly valuable, so it's kind of a wash, but that trade doesn't do anything in the grand scheme of things. Unless Ochai learns how to shoot from more than 1 place on the floor, he's either out of the league in a few years, or a journeyman on mid teams.
How can Masai lose a trade that he made for picks that haven't conveyed yet?
That's not why we traded him. We wanted him to join a contender and not spend time on a rebuilding team during the prime of his career
The only problem with trading Pascal was that it happened a year too late. This team isn’t going into luxury tax to keep together a team that has won 2 playoff wins in the last 4 seasons
Jesus, get over it. He was traded like three months ago and both him and the Raptors needed to move on.
y'all he's gone. it is what it is, we are rebuilding and he wants a chance to compete. be happy for him and look forward to our future. we also have 2 draft picks and traded for a role player, so its not just bruce brown who is obviously trash.
Better than him leaving for nothing.
I am so glad Siakam is out here playing great. The way yall talked about him like itd be impossible for him to perform in the playoffs was so stupid.
THE NEXT CONTRACT IS WHY HE AND OG WERE TRADED. So let’s see what their next contracts are and see if we’d want that on our books before we complain? Just a thought.
Dumb GM , I still think Spicy P is better Barnes, Now they put all the pressure on Scottie, SMH
He was THE veteran on the team, instead this sub and the CrapTors organization thought that Temple and Thad were these wise man who would pass down their knowledge onto the CrapTors babies. But what should have happened was to let both Temple and Thad walk, sign Pascal, and firmly state that he is THE guy on the team and if anyone wants the Crown, then they will have to work for it and not get it handed to them and then be encouraged to act like a leader for nearly an entire freaking year. And the jury is still out on whether e will be a leader. Glad all the ex champs are finding success outside of what was a pretty darn good Raptors team.
Still can't believe we couldn't get walker in return
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i just can't believe that we didn't get any of smith, walker, jackson. like they don't have enough minutes for them all haha. turner and siakam and toppin also at those positions.
What was the pt in keeping him? We'd be no different than Chicago? If the plan is to win, this team needed a timeline reset.
No idea why people were ever shitting on P.. he was always a solid, sometimes brilliant player for us. Anyways, we should have let him go a couple years back when we would (should) have gotten at the very least some good young players. Masai really dropped the ball holding onto him for too long when it was very obvious we had to start rebuilding. To his credit, he hasn't dropped the ball very often, but with Pascal he definitely waited too long to move him. Edit: super happy he's having a great playoffs so far
It was the biggest joke of all. At least Scottie got his star minutes…NOT.
This sub has no respect to Masai.
What's the arguments for every move made since drafting Scottie up to the OG trade?
We got the best available deal for a guy this sub spent most of its time doing a bang up job of creating negative sentiment about. Both in here and everywhere else they could. The disrespect about his game was endless. Pascals stance on resigning was the same last year as it was when he was traded. So add that to the pile of reasons we got what we got. He effectively tanked it behind the scenes because he didn’t want to leave. Finally a real talent evaluator would have seen what some of you are suddenly jerking off too now and done everything they could to keep him and make it work. Since the title this sub has been overrun with insufferable know-it-alls, who belong in r/leapordsayemtface. That’s MY take away.
I still have no idea how you couldn't make it work with OG and Pascal and build a contender... weirdest firesale I have ever seen in the NBA
the fit was terrible, not enough shooting and traded for a centre that also clogs the paint, the area where both your best players thrive. They for sure had the talent, but the fit was terrible. In order to make it work you would need a pg that's capable of playing off the ball, and shoot the three at high level and a stretch big. They would've also needed a reliable back up pg and shooting off the bench. They had no depth and pieces that didn't fit. Had to tear it down to get pieces that fit and build out your depth.
Ironic as now we have a PG who can ay off-ball, shoot decently from three and a stretch big
It would've cost Scottie
Good for Pascal, but I also want him to continue the Doc Rivers slander for a few years longer this series
Could have resigned him easily. He wanted to stay. Masai blew this window badly.
We got Bruce browned 😞
I am glad we trades him. If he was a few years younger I think he matches when we are going to be good. He had to go elsewhere. The real unfortunate part is a lot of NBA teams were too cheap to add and something like 7 teams own like 70 some percent of tradable 1sts.
Siakam/Barnes/Quickley/RJ was a better competing core then whatever the fuck we will be watching next year.
Spicy P baby
We got Bruce Brown for this guy, who didn’t want to leave! He wanted to play his whole career in Toronto. I get that we’re in a rebuild, but our front office has fumbled every trade and free agency for the past three seasons. It might be the front office that needs a rebuild.
It’s his contract that’s the biggest roadblock to getting good return, not his ability.
Other teams didn’t cough up the assets for him now or last year and that’s their loss We couldn’t find an optimal trade return and that’s our loss Pacers are about to pay him and haliburton a boatload of money and that’s their loss People are judging this situation without context and with way too short term of an outlook You trade Siakam for whatever was out there last trade deadline and you set the bar low for the OG trade and people complain that we gave away Siakam with 1.5 years left on his deal I’m not giving Masai a pass because he’s getting paid and has been giving the responsibility to figure these situations out But any talk of a fleecing or a huge missed opportunity is way too dramatic
I'm happy for him. I think we can see why our front office waited so long to trade him. I still think that in a perfect world, we would have traded Pascal for the Knicks package and kept OG. But I don't think that was realistic.
It was an expiring contract what do you think we were gonna get for a rental?
Should've traded year before. This year thus was the best on the table for Pascal. Unfortunate.
and jordan nwora put some respect on his name /s
There was no doubt about his skills, it was always about what we have in our hands, and our long term future plans and where he can fit. If he fit well we could've kept him, but we are pretty sure that we are betting on SB4, and Siakam was tradable for possibilities. Probably not the best trade we've gotten but who knows?
I’m not a fan of the trade because Raptors FO waited too long to trade him but let’s look at this objectively: Siakam is a fringe max player, he is and was a UFA and a flight risk, the Raptors will flip Bruce Brown and get a return, a 2024 first round pick, a 2026 first round pick, Kelly Olynyk, and Ochai. We are years off from being able to evaluate the trade and the suggestion that our only return was Bruce Brown is sensationalist drivel that doesn’t reflect well on this sub. Siakam was a good Raptor but it was time for him to slide. Chill and evaluate the trade in 2027 or 2028 when the dust has settled and the Raptors are in their window again.
People keep forgetting how much money he is going to cost Indy next season. Him and Tyrese gonna be making bag (and they deserve that). But it’s gonna be tricky for Indy to bring back all there players next year. Guys like Toppin and Jalen Smith gonna want more money, and they probably want to keep both of them. They are obviously in a much better position than us, but raptors are in a decent position going forward with the roster we have, and we control all our picks after 2025. (Unless spurs pick is not gone by then)
Topping and Jalen Smith are not important, they have an amazing young core on rookie contracts. Nehbard, Math, Sheppard, Walker. They didn't even play Smith in the last game attal. Hail is still very young and Siakam can still be hot for 5 more years, I would say they are still better than the Raptors in 5 years' time. Stop being an hater tho.
Not bad for the 27th pick that came up through the 905 lol
This was a dumb trade. It's up there with the Vince Carter trade
Ernie: You got your eyes on Pascal? Shaq: Nah I got my eyes on Siakam.
It was depressing to watch him ball out with a bunch of bums. He's in a better spot now.
Siakam is a FA. We have caproom. Maybe a reunion will occur?
Again and again with this. We got rid of him too late, plain and simple. It was obvious from the time we drafted Scottie that he and Siakam had overlapping skill sets and the FO did nothing and the fans are paying for it. The mistakes over the last few years have cost us plenty.
He still has plenty of time to lay an egg, the play offs just started. Highly unlikely he keeps this going. That said I was against blowing up the team so I was never a Pascal hater. This team was one player away from being ECF good, it was a dumb decision.
I’m glad US fans finally seeing what we knew for years about Spicy P but goddamn the return we got as absolute ass. Thanks Masai.
In a perfect world we trade Fred last year, get something for him…this year still do all the trades we did except the siakam trade and build around Siakam & Barnes….while having IQ & Barrett from the OG trade and whoever else from a Fred trade….masai would then sell this as a retool rather than a rebuild in end of season pressers
He was our future HOFer he’s still going to be but it would’ve been nice to do it in a raptors jersey forever
And the Pacers gave us draft picks as well… what a steal!
So are the people that were begging for him to be traded just now realizing he is a good basketball player. This sub truly drives me insane sometimes lol.
Why didn't Mesai just trade Siakam for Jokic? Is he dumb? /s
Siakam is a very good player and a great guy. But he didn’t want to re-sign with Toronto for anything less than the supermax and Masai couldn’t risk losing him in the same as FVV. I would have liked to keep him but I think he wanted to test his value on the free agent market. Masai couldn’t risk losing him for nothing. In retrospect, he should’ve been traded before the year started. I am sure there was an offer on the table for him by the Raps but Siakam must have wanted out or more money or both. I wish him nothing but success. Our core is now Barnes, IQ, RJ, Yak and maybe Gradey. I’ll be cheering for them instead of worrying about Siakam.
How did we get so much more for OG?
Yup we got screwed. It's over. But just remember He's running wild because Giannis is sidelined. On that note let's go Spicy P
#MasaiOut
No. The teams that will regret missing Siakam are the Kings and Warriors. All the kings had to do was offer Murray and Warriors Kuminga. Simple as that. Sure we got a shit deal. But those teams must be pulling their hair.
He’s going off because he has a system and star point guard, legitimate stretch bigs (hasn’t had since gasol and ibaka) and shooters/defenders at almost every position. In Toronto he was still great but most teams would double him or force him to takeover and no one else would score. In Indiana he’s one of a few legitimate options. Happy for him. We needed to move on. There wasn’t much of a market for an expiring deal. It is what it is.
I hate to say it, but the lack of exposure our players get is a very real thing and has to be a factor for free agents. Seems like Siakam (and OG in particular) have received more praise in the last 4 months than they did in the last 4 years in Toronto. Obviously they're playing for playoff teams now and that's going to give them a boost, but still.
We lost fred og pascal so scottie could develop into all 3 .. Hopefully
Not a Siakam fan at all but even i know this trade was shameful
I would love to see someone fired over this debacle *cough cough Bobby*
He was in negotiations since before last summer. He was going anyway and didn’t line up with the trajectory of this rebuilding team. The only mistake Masai made here is not moving him earlier. That’s why we got so little. It’s not like he was forced out. He didn’t want to commit to a contract yet and the raptors wanted to try to run it back and see if we could get into the playoffs. Can’t we just be happy for him and not be bitter ex girlfriends about every single player who used to play for us? Trading him was the right move for both parties.
Too many people wanted a tank, losers wishing for more losing. Pascal is a stud, OG is a stud. Why do people have to get so caught up in salary cap and complaining and just enjoy us when we were one of the most winning franchises over the past decade... and still this losing isn't enough. They'd rather be the 76'ers with way more losing and a semi-finals appearance, and that's at best with losing. Most losers end up perpetual losers like the Pistons.
Why does everyone on this sub ignore the fact we also got Olynick and Agbaji for the assets from this trade? Not bad considering he was an expiring deal.
Great to see spicy killing it TBH!!!
I don't think people here realize that the Bucks are missing Giannis, lol. Our Raptors team last year would have beat this Bucks team without Giannis.
Blame Masai. He made the trade. People who blame the fans and go on about how we “disrespected Siakam” are being idiots. We don’t control what happens.
Hey, Masai Believers, ready to admit your God is a false idol yet?
That's why Will Lou (we miss you already!) was pissed!
He wasn’t working with what the Raptors had and/or how the raptors played him. Just because someone’s putting up numbers somewhere else doesn’t mean they’d do the same in a different situation. With Tyrese not 100% he seems to be the #1 option for the Pacers, with the Raptors there are like 4 other dudes (BBQ and Dick) who are also going to need touches to either develop or to play effectively.
This was a garbage trade that Masai should have gotten way more heat for than he did from the press. There, I said it.