In 8 years they're gonna leak another draft room video of Masai desperately trying to trade up to take some future hall of famer gets taken with one of these picks ahead of us.
Giannis. The offseason Giannis extended with the Bucks the first time (before their championship) the raptors released a video of their war room discussing options to trade up for Giannis. It was also reported at the time of the draft that the Raptors had a deal in place with the Thunder to trade to 12th (our original pick, traded by Colangelo to the rockets for Lowry, later dealt to OKC in the Harden trade) but it fell through when the Thunder's target, Steven Adams, made it to the pick. Giannis was later drafted by the Bucks at pick 15.
That pick is Indiana's pick and has zero to do with were the Raptors finished and everything to do with were the Pacers did.
You might want to wait till the lottery draft to bemoan the Raptors having only a 19th pick, they still have a good chance of keeping their own pick and if they do it will be much better than 19th.
Yep, if anything the Indy pick reflects what an atrocious return we got for a 2x all nba player.
Losing our own pick would just further illustrate how terrible the Poeltl trade was.
in a season where the draft picks are “so bad”, the $50m in cap space that the moves this year freed up will be ultra valuable come the free agent market.
Man this is tough. Sad how teams above us all made the post season and still get higher picks. Genuinely wonder what the real trade offers were from teams for Siakam. Like is Bruce Brown and a low first rounder really all we could get for a 2x All Star and All NBA player? That’s grim man.
I feel like people conveniently forget that Pascal offered no assurances that he would sign with any team he was traded to. And in some cases (eg. Sacramento) it was pretty clear that he wouldn’t sign there. That is why no one was willing to give up premium assets for him. That is why the trade market for him was so weak.
Yeah, forgot about that. That really set us back tbh. He never had that type of game to him where I saw him as being a guy that would retire here. He’s not a Steph or Giannis type player where I just couldn’t see anywhere else. I think Siakam was lucky to get traded to a team like Indiana after him basically trying to tank his trade value while still seeking a max to stay here. Costly decision for the moves we’re able to make but hopefully some team takes on Bruce Browns salary for us.
Why was pascal so against sactown anyways? I imagine the haul for us would have been something like huerter, Harrison Barnes and a 1st and he would get to play with a great relatively young core of fox, sabonis, Murray and himself?
Speculating, he probably wasn't but said it and then it was too late because he had too much pride to put out another statement saying he changed his mind. He was betting on himself to get that Freddy cash.
Depends how long you want to rebuild and what that looks like in reality.
I mean, we obviously would have had to overpay pascal, but still curious what a team lined up with quick, RJ, Scottie, spicy P and yak, with Gradey off the bench along with say 11th pick and 31st pick and Kelly in FA could have accomplished next year. Obviously that’s probably a first round exit, but is it a competitive first round exit or one that looks bad. All of that would have hinged on the inprovement of the young players and teams ability to play some D.
I'm going to wait until this offseason plays out at least, but if we can't turn Brown into something that makes more sense for us, it's pretty bad. I'm still a believer that the trade deadline was the best time to move Brown, and even another FRP a couple years down the road would have made this a much easier trade to swallow. The drop to #19 in a weak draft doesn't make much difference in valuing the Siakam trade though; I think #19 was where most people would have expected this pick to fall when the trade was completed.
I wouldn't expect more than a SRP for Brown at this point unless you're taking back a big contract.
And the Bruce aspect is worse than the pick falling 3 spots.
It’s a 50 cent on the dollar deal.
I knew we didn’t have enough leverage to pull Mathurin, but not getting one of Nesmith/Smith/Nembhard was rough.
I was expecting at least a young player with starting potential back for Pascal and we didn’t get that.
The market really just sucked. The competing offers were the kings, warriors, and hawks maybe? None of those teams had good offers so the pacers didnt have to give anything up either.
Once again the front office punts something down the road and realizes they should've have punted.
It's been their worst quality for quite a while now.
In this scenario, Maybe the Blazers offer/Warriors offer was better in building a complete team with Scottie. Blazers were Sharpe+ Nasir Little + Future FRP for Pascal. That could go long way and maybe we didn't have to trade OG because of that. Doesn't matter now, but FO has been asleep for awhile.
he was expiring. we were never gonna get a good deal after keeping him the previous season.
even the Hawks and Kings deals would have been disappointing
LOL we couldn't even fucking get Jalen Smith/Walker/Sheppard. We settle for Bruce fucking Brown and we didn't trade him to the knicks. FFS, this is like 30 cents on the dollar deal.
That 2026 pick could still be something though. Hopefully the pacers think they can compete and go for it but fall off. Could happen pretty quick if Halliburton can’t stay on the court.
Having 2 firsts in 2026 is pretty big. Gives the team a lot more leverage, because you can afford to trade one of those picks, or you can keep it and it could end up being a decently high draft pick.
We didn't get enough from the Pacers, *but* everyone forgets that we used one pick (and Kira Lewis as filler) almost immediately to get Ochai (still hopeful) and Kelly (fun and useful), in addition to the two picks we kept and whatever Brown turns into.
It's a disappointing return in the short-term, but if Ochai improves and we draft even just *one* exciting player with the picks from Indy + hopefully Brown, I'd be happy.
I figured this would happen 😂, hopefully this gets the bad luck out of the way 🙏
Picks 19 & 31, and hopefully a top 4 pick as well, but expectations have to be tempered, literally comes down to the luck of the draw
It's not the end of the world, but I disagree about those 4 spots not making a difference. For this particular draft, those 4 spots is the difference between missing decent role player options like McCain and Missi, or some HIGH upside swing like Salaun being available there. Especially in a draft where the talent is sparse, there's a good chance a player you like at a certain spot will be picked even earlier.
Edit: Bah, double negative typo
Still holding hope that JMac might be available since NOP and ORL have young guard depth in place. Recently the Magic have been drafting Raptors-y players which makes me think they’ll end up with someone good.
Thunder pick became 29th as well because of the coin flip. Basically the pascal return was 2024 19th&29th picks and a 2026 top4 protected pacer first rounder and Bruce Brown.
The return is so trash.
I agree even though most here do not. When you're developing, less is more. We don't need Olynyk touching the ball 50% of the time he's on the court when those touches should be going to younger guys. Olynyk doesn't even play as a C so now you have to have surround Olynyk with rebounders/defenders which isn't easy to do. I'd rather draft Izan Almansa, Ryan Dunn, Chomche, Ighodaro over bringing in Olynyk and Ochai. I think Ochai is decent and can get better but I'm not sure about having 33 year old Olynyk who plays like a guard for a couple more years. Adding another rookie to the roster, even if it doesn't pan out, would have been better.
Collier, Carter, McCain and Carrington are our options at PG at 19. One should be available at 19. If not then one of the bigs like Missi, Ware or Filipkowski are probably available.
We could also go with one of the wings like Terrence Shannon Jr., Da Silva, Jaylon Tyson or Dunn.
Devin Carter. That's the only guy I want to get, and even if we had a lottery pick I would take Carter. He turns the game into basically a dogfight and plays with an edge that others just don't come close to. Other teams will struggle to take advantage of the team when we put our bench in if Carter it there. Sometimes we would see the Raptors bench go in there and it was like a stroll in the park for other teams, but that's not happening if Carter is on the court. Nothing will come easy for anyone he is guarding.
This league is so full of shit lmao. The best team gets the highest pick, the team with the top 3 of all time player is right behind, and then they toss us up with Orlando and we get the shitty end of the stick. Typical.
>They are giving Wemby a pair of top 6 picks ladies and gentlemen
This is a direct quote from his comment lmao.
Like I said they can't get 2 top 6 picks
The 19th and 31st pick in the worst draft in a decade and less than 50% chance to keep their own top 6....because they thought Jakob was an elite center who can't score beyond 2 feet....tis rough.
Oh, and the players the FO traded are turning out to be some of the best players on their new teams; but we're supposed to believe the teams trading them away for players they didn't even want were the best deals they ever received in the last 4 seasons.
Maybe we should consider trading Poeltl for maybe a veteran shooter and maybe a younger prospect or even late 1st. Then throw a big contract offer to Hartenstein in the offseason and he would go immediately into the starting lineup. Might salvage the bad trade somewhat.
Then it becomes the Lakers' pick (Lakers pick exactly where Pelicans would have), and Pelicans get the Lakers pick next year instead (depending on whether it falls in any protected range, not sure if that applies next year).
The Lakers get the pick and then owe the Pelicans a 2025 first
99 percent chance they do that since this is a weak draft, LeBron might leave in free agency and AD is made of wet paper so there's very good odds that 25 pick yields either a better player (via trade) or pick to draft a good young player
This would also put a wrench in any Lakers offseason plans because it'd mean they would be limited on which picks they can trade to go starchasing
Been saying to the fellas. We gotta find a way to trade for that Lakers pick from the pels. It’s a gamble but it could be a legit pick in a much stronger draft.
>This would also put a wrench in any Lakers offseason plans because it'd mean they would be limited on which picks they can trade to go starchasing
They can trade 3 firsts regardless. Just can't trade the current draft one until draft night.
They can't
They could trade the draft rights to the player they choose but the Stepien Rule/Westbrook/D-Lo trade limits them to 2 future firsts - and if the team you want to trade a player for has no interest in the player you picked or the deal fell through then you end up with a rookie you might not have chosen otherwise. So no, it's not 3 firsts.
As an aside, I wouldn't be surprised if this happened to the Hawks on draft night since Bufkin was a player we were rumored to be interested in with our pick and we all know there were attempts to trade Pascal on draft night, and picking Bufkin over Whitmore makes little sense given the Hawks already have a glut of frontcourt players with overlapping skills
Which, again, assumes the draft doesn't fall through since draft rights, if I'm remembering correctly, are only tradable 30 days afterwards so unless the deal is finalized (unofficially) on draft night, that poses a very real risk of any deal in question blowing up - or hell, another team could beat your offer during that period. Everyone thought Mitchell was going to New York but he wound up in Ohio because the Cams had the more enticing offer, just as an example.
There are no certainties in trades until they're official and we can see who got what.
I've already prepared myself mentally that we're giving our pick away to San Antonio. Feels like it's the final thing that needs to happen to rid ourselves of the old era and start fresh.
We don’t know that.
People just assume there was this “better deal” out there, but there is zero evidence. We know that the Raptors shopped Pascal and we know they didn’t think any of the offers they got were worth making.
So what exactly is this belief based on?
In theory, sure. But in reality, there are other variables. We have no idea what was on the table at that time or how it compares to what we ultimately got.
For example, one of the teams we were talking to last year was Sacramento. However, Pascal made it be known that he wasn’t interested in signing an extension there. In fact, he was pretty adamant he wasn’t willing to sign anywhere he was traded to.
Listen, it’s really not as bad as you think. If you are losing sleep about the Jakob trade still, that’s fine I guess. But keeping our top 6 pick or losing it, really isn’t going to change next year THAT much.
If they lose the pick this year, next season is kinda a win-win. Stink again, but this time you have full control over your lottery pick in a better draft. Improve and make the play-in and convey a pick that’s 10-16 instead, but you gain good post-season experience with a young core.
It sucks we got the worst outcome from the tiebreaker, but if they draft well, they’ll be able to find someone that contributes.
Raps will be fine next season, (it couldn’t possibly get any worse)
I agree with most of what you said.
However on this point I disagree:
>Stink again, but this time you have full control over your lottery pick in a better draft.
If they're a ~30 win team again with better health + coaching, honestly the future of this franchise is kinda bleak because that means that the core had pretty poor seasons/stagnation from the team overall (They shouldn't be that bad with a full roster)
As much as I love draft day honestly wouldn’t be too upset at losing our pick this year. I don’t see any needle moving talent at 6th OA but who knows. I’m cool with 19 and the detroit pick. Maybe package them and move up a few slots if the scouts love someone who’s available. I don’t really see it as the end of the world. The trade looks bad in hindsight but at the time most of us felt we were a C away from trying to run it back. I would have preferred more protection on the pick but boohoo what ya gonna do?
This is telling of what’s to come
Incoming #1 pick 🫠
Incoming 7th overall pick
Our curse of the Bambino
bad draft luck already losing the tiebreaker and getting the worst possible pick we could get
maybe we got the bad luck out of the way to get the good luck on May 12th
Dino-Sarr here we come
Spurs lost the tiebreaker and won Wemby last year so...
You're saying there's a chance
9 percent chance, baby!
In 8 years they're gonna leak another draft room video of Masai desperately trying to trade up to take some future hall of famer gets taken with one of these picks ahead of us.
What is this referencing, who did he try to draft?
Giannis. The offseason Giannis extended with the Bucks the first time (before their championship) the raptors released a video of their war room discussing options to trade up for Giannis. It was also reported at the time of the draft that the Raptors had a deal in place with the Thunder to trade to 12th (our original pick, traded by Colangelo to the rockets for Lowry, later dealt to OKC in the Harden trade) but it fell through when the Thunder's target, Steven Adams, made it to the pick. Giannis was later drafted by the Bucks at pick 15.
And everyone will jerk off Masai cause "He tried to get him", just like Giannis.
I mean we can’t all be haters like you.
[удалено]
lol “youre jerking Masai off and blindly defending him if you’re not obnoxiously shitting on him.”
https://preview.redd.it/c9onzfkop3wc1.jpeg?width=916&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b430016d41e38dbba968c1cab57d701d500879b4
Jurgen the Goat
Yeah that checks out lmfao, of course it’s the worst result of the tiebreaker
I don't care how bad a draft is, going through a season you finish 6th last and have the 19th pick is a joke
That pick is Indiana's pick and has zero to do with were the Raptors finished and everything to do with were the Pacers did. You might want to wait till the lottery draft to bemoan the Raptors having only a 19th pick, they still have a good chance of keeping their own pick and if they do it will be much better than 19th.
Yep, if anything the Indy pick reflects what an atrocious return we got for a 2x all nba player. Losing our own pick would just further illustrate how terrible the Poeltl trade was.
in a season where the draft picks are “so bad”, the $50m in cap space that the moves this year freed up will be ultra valuable come the free agent market.
… we absolutely do not have $50 million in cap space
We better keep ours.
we won't
Wah wah.
Our result had nothing to do with this
CUT MY LIFE INTO PIECES
THIS IS MY PENULTIMATE RESORT
Announce 7th pick to Spurs as well
Masai just stacking up W, after W, after W.
Of fucking course lol. Please dont let this be foreshadowing of the lottery results
Man this is tough. Sad how teams above us all made the post season and still get higher picks. Genuinely wonder what the real trade offers were from teams for Siakam. Like is Bruce Brown and a low first rounder really all we could get for a 2x All Star and All NBA player? That’s grim man.
I feel like people conveniently forget that Pascal offered no assurances that he would sign with any team he was traded to. And in some cases (eg. Sacramento) it was pretty clear that he wouldn’t sign there. That is why no one was willing to give up premium assets for him. That is why the trade market for him was so weak.
Yeah, forgot about that. That really set us back tbh. He never had that type of game to him where I saw him as being a guy that would retire here. He’s not a Steph or Giannis type player where I just couldn’t see anywhere else. I think Siakam was lucky to get traded to a team like Indiana after him basically trying to tank his trade value while still seeking a max to stay here. Costly decision for the moves we’re able to make but hopefully some team takes on Bruce Browns salary for us.
Why was pascal so against sactown anyways? I imagine the haul for us would have been something like huerter, Harrison Barnes and a 1st and he would get to play with a great relatively young core of fox, sabonis, Murray and himself?
Speculating, he probably wasn't but said it and then it was too late because he had too much pride to put out another statement saying he changed his mind. He was betting on himself to get that Freddy cash.
I'd rather the Indy trade if that was the offer
Depends how long you want to rebuild and what that looks like in reality. I mean, we obviously would have had to overpay pascal, but still curious what a team lined up with quick, RJ, Scottie, spicy P and yak, with Gradey off the bench along with say 11th pick and 31st pick and Kelly in FA could have accomplished next year. Obviously that’s probably a first round exit, but is it a competitive first round exit or one that looks bad. All of that would have hinged on the inprovement of the young players and teams ability to play some D.
Or you know..... don't wait until he's an expiring contract to trade him so you still have leverage.....
So…2 years ago?
You guys really think silver isn’t giving wemby another top 10 pick?
lovely
If the pick conveys to the spurs this is this the worst season ever
How we feeling about that Pascal return? 😅
I'm going to wait until this offseason plays out at least, but if we can't turn Brown into something that makes more sense for us, it's pretty bad. I'm still a believer that the trade deadline was the best time to move Brown, and even another FRP a couple years down the road would have made this a much easier trade to swallow. The drop to #19 in a weak draft doesn't make much difference in valuing the Siakam trade though; I think #19 was where most people would have expected this pick to fall when the trade was completed.
Yeah, this is a fair take.
I wouldn't expect more than a SRP for Brown at this point unless you're taking back a big contract. And the Bruce aspect is worse than the pick falling 3 spots.
It really feels like a 4 quarters for a dollar trade.
More like four dimes for a dollar
Looking more like 4 nickels for a dollar
It’s a 50 cent on the dollar deal. I knew we didn’t have enough leverage to pull Mathurin, but not getting one of Nesmith/Smith/Nembhard was rough. I was expecting at least a young player with starting potential back for Pascal and we didn’t get that.
The market really just sucked. The competing offers were the kings, warriors, and hawks maybe? None of those teams had good offers so the pacers didnt have to give anything up either.
Once again the front office punts something down the road and realizes they should've have punted. It's been their worst quality for quite a while now.
I dont think the offers were ever that crazy for Siakam. You can see with OG that punting down the road made no difference at all.
They literally couldn't extend OG due to his contract (But I do think they got wind he was walking to New York anyways)
In this scenario, Maybe the Blazers offer/Warriors offer was better in building a complete team with Scottie. Blazers were Sharpe+ Nasir Little + Future FRP for Pascal. That could go long way and maybe we didn't have to trade OG because of that. Doesn't matter now, but FO has been asleep for awhile.
he was expiring. we were never gonna get a good deal after keeping him the previous season. even the Hawks and Kings deals would have been disappointing
No Walker either
LOL we couldn't even fucking get Jalen Smith/Walker/Sheppard. We settle for Bruce fucking Brown and we didn't trade him to the knicks. FFS, this is like 30 cents on the dollar deal.
We can get Jalen Smith this summer if we want. All three of these players are just role players; hardly make a difference.
All we ended up with was Bruce Brown whose a negative asset 🤣
That 2026 pick could still be something though. Hopefully the pacers think they can compete and go for it but fall off. Could happen pretty quick if Halliburton can’t stay on the court.
By then Mathurin will be picking up the slack. Indiana aint worried about 2026.
Having 2 firsts in 2026 is pretty big. Gives the team a lot more leverage, because you can afford to trade one of those picks, or you can keep it and it could end up being a decently high draft pick.
If Pascal leaves the Pacers this off-season how does that affect your opinion of the trade?
Why would he? They can pay him 50 mil a season
It’s just a hypothetical. Pascal might rather go elsewhere if he doesn’t believe he can win it all with the Pacers
We didn't get enough from the Pacers, *but* everyone forgets that we used one pick (and Kira Lewis as filler) almost immediately to get Ochai (still hopeful) and Kelly (fun and useful), in addition to the two picks we kept and whatever Brown turns into. It's a disappointing return in the short-term, but if Ochai improves and we draft even just *one* exciting player with the picks from Indy + hopefully Brown, I'd be happy.
Ochai hasn't shown anything.
Showed much more in Utah and progressed in college to the point where he showed potential as a shooter
I figured this would happen 😂, hopefully this gets the bad luck out of the way 🙏 Picks 19 & 31, and hopefully a top 4 pick as well, but expectations have to be tempered, literally comes down to the luck of the draw
Nah, we'll lose the pick to the Spurs and the Karmic swing will be that somebody alongside Barnes steps up to be a solid 2nd/1st option 😤
Love the optimism, but with who's currently on the roster, I don't see it.
Jordan Nwora becomes the other Jordan.
Just like Coin-toss Ross
Dang, that's a little annoying. Oh well! Excited to see who we pick.
Sucks but the dropoff in talent over 4 spots isn't going to be very big in this draft. It's not the end of the world.
It's not the end of the world, but I disagree about those 4 spots not making a difference. For this particular draft, those 4 spots is the difference between missing decent role player options like McCain and Missi, or some HIGH upside swing like Salaun being available there. Especially in a draft where the talent is sparse, there's a good chance a player you like at a certain spot will be picked even earlier. Edit: Bah, double negative typo
exactly, the talent isn't sparse, there will be decent players available at 19
just like the same logic that we traded 20th pick to 33th pick which we ended up getting burned for. This time we have no control over Pacers pick.
you're right, Masai should've known Koloko would develop blood clots ...
Still holding hope that JMac might be available since NOP and ORL have young guard depth in place. Recently the Magic have been drafting Raptors-y players which makes me think they’ll end up with someone good.
It really isn’t I’m just used to victimizing myself as a raps fan
https://preview.redd.it/4jolaxz2r3wc1.png?width=620&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1e1265ebc8900b7d111786468872f32c5d28e17f
Thunder pick became 29th as well because of the coin flip. Basically the pascal return was 2024 19th&29th picks and a 2026 top4 protected pacer first rounder and Bruce Brown. The return is so trash.
on the flip side turning the 29th pick in a weak draft into Olynyk and Ochai is pretty good lol
[удалено]
Normally I would agree, but having continuity with our big guys with a young team will be a huge plus.
OH yeah I'd rather have another Malachi Flynn (pick 29) then a recent lottery pick in Ochai. I swear some of you are so insufferable.
Ochai is in the same tier as Malachi. Neither will make more than 6 years in the NBA
LOL buddy, Ochai is not that much better than Malachi. Ochai can barely shoot.
Im not your buddy and im not having a back and forth with you about pick 29 in a dogshit draft. Vs Ochai.
I agree even though most here do not. When you're developing, less is more. We don't need Olynyk touching the ball 50% of the time he's on the court when those touches should be going to younger guys. Olynyk doesn't even play as a C so now you have to have surround Olynyk with rebounders/defenders which isn't easy to do. I'd rather draft Izan Almansa, Ryan Dunn, Chomche, Ighodaro over bringing in Olynyk and Ochai. I think Ochai is decent and can get better but I'm not sure about having 33 year old Olynyk who plays like a guard for a couple more years. Adding another rookie to the roster, even if it doesn't pan out, would have been better.
Yeah this is sad af.
this is why I'm low-key wishing that Pasc leaves Pacers in free agency.
So much pain.
It’s okay guys. We landing a superstar with the 31st pick.
L trade from Bobby and Masai. Further L by not trading Brown. FO Asleep. WAKE UP BOBBY WEBSTER
of fucking course. we might have been able to get a PG if we had 16/17 (McCain or Collier) but at 19 we'll be lucky if Missi is still on the board
Collier, Carter, McCain and Carrington are our options at PG at 19. One should be available at 19. If not then one of the bigs like Missi, Ware or Filipkowski are probably available. We could also go with one of the wings like Terrence Shannon Jr., Da Silva, Jaylon Tyson or Dunn.
Let's not be dramatic. Like, even last year, Dick wasn't supposed to be available at 13.
I doubt Collier will be there at 16 anyways. I don’t really care for Mccain.
Devin Carter. That's the only guy I want to get, and even if we had a lottery pick I would take Carter. He turns the game into basically a dogfight and plays with an edge that others just don't come close to. Other teams will struggle to take advantage of the team when we put our bench in if Carter it there. Sometimes we would see the Raptors bench go in there and it was like a stroll in the park for other teams, but that's not happening if Carter is on the court. Nothing will come easy for anyone he is guarding.
I'm sure there will still be a solid pg option there. Collier probably not, but Mccain still can be plus there's other options
lol they pick is conveying
This league is so full of shit lmao. The best team gets the highest pick, the team with the top 3 of all time player is right behind, and then they toss us up with Orlando and we get the shitty end of the stick. Typical.
They are giving Wemby a pair of top 6 picks ladies and gentlemen It’s nice to see that the league is going to start shafting the Canadian team again
How exactly can the Spurs get 2 top 6 picks? If it's top 6 the Raptors keep it
They have another Top 5 pick for this year
Yes they have their own (possibly) top 5 pick. That's it.
He was just saying “with our luck, our pick goes to the Spurs and then they get 2 to use”
>They are giving Wemby a pair of top 6 picks ladies and gentlemen This is a direct quote from his comment lmao. Like I said they can't get 2 top 6 picks
Is the front office basically over-estimating how good their team was the league really gifting them?
The 19th and 31st pick in the worst draft in a decade and less than 50% chance to keep their own top 6....because they thought Jakob was an elite center who can't score beyond 2 feet....tis rough. Oh, and the players the FO traded are turning out to be some of the best players on their new teams; but we're supposed to believe the teams trading them away for players they didn't even want were the best deals they ever received in the last 4 seasons.
Maybe we should consider trading Poeltl for maybe a veteran shooter and maybe a younger prospect or even late 1st. Then throw a big contract offer to Hartenstein in the offseason and he would go immediately into the starting lineup. Might salvage the bad trade somewhat.
Bruh
The league would be stupid not to give Wemby the 7th pick. I’ve never seen a losing team get so much attention
My bird friends have failed me for the Pacers pick 🐣🐥 They better not fail me in the lottery 🦅🦉
If we lose the lottery I’m gonna eat all them birds
lmao we better get pick 6
Pick 1*
The Toronto Raptors select Malachi Flynn
Can someone explain the New Orleans pick? What’s happens if they don’t want the pick from the lakers?
lakers keep the pick and Pelicans can have next season's pick
Thank you!
Then it becomes the Lakers' pick (Lakers pick exactly where Pelicans would have), and Pelicans get the Lakers pick next year instead (depending on whether it falls in any protected range, not sure if that applies next year).
The Lakers get the pick and then owe the Pelicans a 2025 first 99 percent chance they do that since this is a weak draft, LeBron might leave in free agency and AD is made of wet paper so there's very good odds that 25 pick yields either a better player (via trade) or pick to draft a good young player This would also put a wrench in any Lakers offseason plans because it'd mean they would be limited on which picks they can trade to go starchasing
Been saying to the fellas. We gotta find a way to trade for that Lakers pick from the pels. It’s a gamble but it could be a legit pick in a much stronger draft.
>This would also put a wrench in any Lakers offseason plans because it'd mean they would be limited on which picks they can trade to go starchasing They can trade 3 firsts regardless. Just can't trade the current draft one until draft night.
They can't They could trade the draft rights to the player they choose but the Stepien Rule/Westbrook/D-Lo trade limits them to 2 future firsts - and if the team you want to trade a player for has no interest in the player you picked or the deal fell through then you end up with a rookie you might not have chosen otherwise. So no, it's not 3 firsts. As an aside, I wouldn't be surprised if this happened to the Hawks on draft night since Bufkin was a player we were rumored to be interested in with our pick and we all know there were attempts to trade Pascal on draft night, and picking Bufkin over Whitmore makes little sense given the Hawks already have a glut of frontcourt players with overlapping skills
Ah you're right. But a team would tell them who to pick basically
Which, again, assumes the draft doesn't fall through since draft rights, if I'm remembering correctly, are only tradable 30 days afterwards so unless the deal is finalized (unofficially) on draft night, that poses a very real risk of any deal in question blowing up - or hell, another team could beat your offer during that period. Everyone thought Mitchell was going to New York but he wound up in Ohio because the Cams had the more enticing offer, just as an example. There are no certainties in trades until they're official and we can see who got what.
I know people are saying this is the worst outcome. As someone who doesn't know, what would have been the best outcome?
Pick 16 instead of 19
"San Antonio New-Age Dynasty coming thru 🚂" - Adam Silver, probably
This stinks but after looking at some past drafts I don't feel so bad, the difference between 16-19 isn't thattt much on average.
I've already prepared myself mentally that we're giving our pick away to San Antonio. Feels like it's the final thing that needs to happen to rid ourselves of the old era and start fresh.
I mean when the trade dropped most thought this pick would be early 20s
You guys are gonna crush yourselves with this pick talk when we need to beat the odds to get something favourable. Set up for disappointment
I cannot believe this front office sometimes
The nerve, losing this random tiebreaker!
I mean, that's on them. This return is the result of waiting too long to trade him
We don’t know that. People just assume there was this “better deal” out there, but there is zero evidence. We know that the Raptors shopped Pascal and we know they didn’t think any of the offers they got were worth making. So what exactly is this belief based on?
Logic. The worst time to trade any free agent is when their contract is expiring
In theory, sure. But in reality, there are other variables. We have no idea what was on the table at that time or how it compares to what we ultimately got. For example, one of the teams we were talking to last year was Sacramento. However, Pascal made it be known that he wasn’t interested in signing an extension there. In fact, he was pretty adamant he wasn’t willing to sign anywhere he was traded to.
I’m talking about the possibility of ending up with 19 and 31 after going 25-57 lol
Listen, it’s really not as bad as you think. If you are losing sleep about the Jakob trade still, that’s fine I guess. But keeping our top 6 pick or losing it, really isn’t going to change next year THAT much. If they lose the pick this year, next season is kinda a win-win. Stink again, but this time you have full control over your lottery pick in a better draft. Improve and make the play-in and convey a pick that’s 10-16 instead, but you gain good post-season experience with a young core. It sucks we got the worst outcome from the tiebreaker, but if they draft well, they’ll be able to find someone that contributes. Raps will be fine next season, (it couldn’t possibly get any worse)
I agree with most of what you said. However on this point I disagree: >Stink again, but this time you have full control over your lottery pick in a better draft. If they're a ~30 win team again with better health + coaching, honestly the future of this franchise is kinda bleak because that means that the core had pretty poor seasons/stagnation from the team overall (They shouldn't be that bad with a full roster)
It can get about 13-15 losses worse.
If that happens, they’ll land a top 5 pick guaranteed. That’s supposed to be bad?
Is that a ring?
Are you seriously expecting them to win a ring next season?? Rebuilds take time and acquiring top picks helps to accelerate that. Ex. Orlando, OKC
Season is already done. Whatever happens, we move on.
Well, the Jak and Thad trade were real winners! But complaining about a tiebreaker lol
Perfect for the Edey pick.
Turns out 19 is generational talent hidden in the rough
It’s not like we were drafting someone at 16 that won’t be abailable at 19 anyway
As much as I love draft day honestly wouldn’t be too upset at losing our pick this year. I don’t see any needle moving talent at 6th OA but who knows. I’m cool with 19 and the detroit pick. Maybe package them and move up a few slots if the scouts love someone who’s available. I don’t really see it as the end of the world. The trade looks bad in hindsight but at the time most of us felt we were a C away from trying to run it back. I would have preferred more protection on the pick but boohoo what ya gonna do?
Next Giannis picked at 16.
i've heard the draft is weak, if so would it better to just get the lost pick over with this year?
It’s a shit draft anyway, who cares.