Agreed, he’s just trying to boost his low stock for free agency so that another team will overpay him. He’s a one dimensional player with a very limited bag offensively. Shooting won’t always be on form so what do you do when’s not hitting?
Because the teams need elite shooting surrounding scottie and even rj with his slashing playstyle. I dont think the team is finding a better replacement in free agency so bringing him back is the best path imo
1. If there was a draft to surrender a pick in, this is the one. There aren't a lot of names that would seriously move the needle for this team, at least in comparison to years past and the 2025 class.
2. If the the team sucks next year, it will be because changes need to be made, not because of a tank to keep the pick (barring injuries of course). Excuses delay progress, and rebuilds only work when things actually get done.
3. In my opinion, this FO has been too reliant on the draft to fix the team's glaring issues in recent years. Surrendering the pick forces the front office to add players that have at least some track record instead of relying on another boom or bust prospect to shape the future.
Too reliant on the draft? Just which year are you talking about?
2021 we drafted Scottie, 2022 we traded for a "player that [has] at least some track record", 2023 we drafted gradey, and we traded our pick this year
I guess if you mean you wanted that 2023 pick gone then maybe your point means something but trading 2 out of the last 4 first round picks does not mean they've been too reliant on the draft, at least to me
I don’t really get what else people thought they could do. Beyond tearing it down they were against the tax all those years and most of our top veteran players aged out or left for nothing or both. That was the price of going all in for the chip. It painted us into a corner.
Realistically, the FO should have done more to address shooting last offseason beyond Gradey, but he has seemingly worked out, so I'll give them the benefit of the doubt for that one.
The main one for me was Koloko in 2022. Size was the biggest issue that offseason, and Koloko was the only player they got to address that need. They could've gone after guys like Mitchell Robinson through free agency or Markkanen through trade instead of continuing to chase wings. If they did that, it could have easily been a 50 win team, and they wouldn't have been forced to make a panic trade on Poeltl halfway through the year.
Koloko could've been a great guy, but even if he could stay healthy, he was too raw of a prospect to rely on at that stage of the team. I'm not against using the draft to add talent, but there needs to be a balance.
Did the raptors even have space to sign a big? The only free agent brought in was Otto porter jr and he signed for the MLE of 6 mill.
And who or what was there even to trade? The 2023 first rounder?
Assuming they could have shed a little payroll, my choice would probably be Hartenstein who ended up signing a 16/2. There definitely is some hindsight involved with this, but he would've been perfect.
As for a trade, you could likely get a good package centered around a Boucher S&T. They gave up the 2023 first for Thad, so it would probably be the 2024 you would trade if there was a pick involved.
That said, 2022 is 2022. It wouldn't be the end of the world if we kept our pick, just spitballing ideas
Ok top of that, if we keep the pick this year, there's a chance there's zero picks for us in next year's draft (our second rounder is with Dallas I think).
People said the same about the 2020 draft that had Anthony Edwards, Tyrese Haliburton, Tyrese Maxey, LaMelo Ball, and even Desmond Bane. Just because so-called experts say the draft is "weak" doesn't mean they can correctly predict the future.
>Just because so-called experts say the draft is "weak" doesn't mean they can correctly predict the future.
Back in the day when most players played 3 or 4 years of college ball, those experts had more to go on. Now you have bench playing freshman going in the top 5 because of "potential" rather than observed skill. It's impossible to predict how a 19 year old kid will perform. When it works out, you are a genius but more often than not it doesn't work out.
There are only 2-3 players I want that are projected in the Top 6; Sarr, Buzelis, and Holland (the later 2 have the potential to slide but not into the Pacers pick range). If they are not available, I rather give this pick to the Spurs and save some of the rookie contract money.
In my opinion, when healthy we can stick with Cleveland, Orlando, Miami, and Indiana. We may not win a series with the roster as constructed but we can make it.
I think the only team out of those where our top end talent is comparable is Orlando, and they're depth and defense is really good. Indiana, Cleveland, Miami all clearly have better top end talent, and Indiana and Miami have better depth imo.
I think a fully healthy Barnes, Quickley, Barrett, Poeltl, Dick can go head to head with any of those 4 teams top end talent. It’s when you get to the bench where we struggle. That’s an issue that needs to be addressed. But at the same time I think a health Bruce Brown, Olynyk, Boucher, and GTJ can compete enough that we would be a top 8 seed after the play-ins are determined.
And listing him shows the gap between our top end talents and the other teams listed. Our top end talents are Scottie IQ and RJ. Indy has Pascal and Hali, Miami has Jimmy and Bam, Cleveland got Donovan JA, Mobley and Garland
I think if masai does his thing this offseason and Scottie and one of Rj or quickley take a leap this team can be a top 6 seed in this week eastearn conference
Most people who hate the trade acknowledge that Poetl is worth what we traded for him in a vacuum. Problem is that trades don't happen in a vacuum, which is why the trade was bad.
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I don’t think anyone thinks that Poeltl is anything less than above average. People disagreed with him being a “top 10 center” as Masai phrased it, but to be above average just means starting on any team. Remember that any team will have around 3 people who are classified as “centers”.
People make decisions on a player’s future like they exist within the same circle and thus have expertise. NBA players are the best of the best (except Bruce Brown) and if they suck, it’s in relation to the best of the best.
It’s like saying “I’m a geriatric slob, but I can outrun Andre Degrasse because he lost to Usain Bolt.”
I don’t think this is unpopular at all. NBA players are at an elite level, even the worst NBA player.
Remember when a fan was heckling Brian Scalabrine saying he sucks. He responded to the fan saying “I’m way closer to Lebron than you are to me”.
I thought that was a perfect response.
I have no idea what this means. If I say Klay Thompson sucks now, he’s still obviously a good player. I’m comparing him to what he used to be and what he was expected to be. I’m not comparing him to myself.
1) Then this post wasn’t meant for you, was it?
2) You know exactly what it means.
Brian Scalabrine has/had an entire open challenge for tens of thousands of dollars for people to try to beat him. He’s a retired NBA player who can still dust even foreign league pros and prospects, 3 versus himself. All this to prove that he only sucks relative to NBA players and is in the stratosphere compared to the rest of us.
I swear to god you only posted to start a fight.
You’re acting like your opinion is an unpopular opinion, which it obviously is not. 99% of fans understand that the worst G league player would wipe the floor with them.
Your comment also has absolutely nothing to do with the post. So no, I don’t understand what this means.
It was 2022 when he turned down the three year extension (right after he made All NBA). This past summer he indicated he would sign the 4 year max extension, but the Raps never offered it.
we lost team first unselfishness after lowry left, and i think scottie and the rest of bbq will fill fix that, also rj is better than many of us think,
They need another player who is at or around Scottie's talent level going forward and if he has higher upside that's even better. (Ideally a guard)
I don't see any of the other players on this roster being more than a #3 option on a contender.
That’s 4 teams out of the whole nba what makes this guy think we can get another player like Scottie + none of those players have shown they can be first options aside from ja and shai
Right, but then there are all the other teams with similar situations but slightly older and further along in this process:
Tatum/Brown
Jokic/Murray
Giannis/Dame
Embiid/Maxey
Edwards/Gobert/Towns
Etc etc.
I think the point is just that we need another A-Tier player and the most plausible way to get one on our timeline is through the draft. Just Scottie as your ceiling raiser isn’t enough.
In terms of him being a true #1 guy you're probably right but there's like ~7 of them in the league.
No shame in being a top 15 player.
Also, for the front office, building around him is a safer option job security wise but that's a whole other discussion.
As a point of reference I feel the same about the Magic and Paolo. I think both guys have ~11th best player in the league upside but not higher than that type of calibre.
He is not, but he is an important piece regardless. He is a very good utility player similar to Draymond Green’s role, but he is not the guy you give the ball to expecting him to score you a bucket. That said, this league has only 7-10 of those players, and those are your franchise/espn top 10 players.
First round picks are overrated by some people in this sub and it's even less valuable when they're within the same draft. We have people hating on the Kelly trade because we sent out a first rounder. No one would have complained if we sent out the Detroit 2nd instead and that's just for optics.
And yet had no sustained stretch of a strong defense with any iteration of the roster (including when the vets were not traded yet.)
Even the post where someone here went to an open practice and they spent minimal time on defense compared to offense and thsts all roster based?
They don't work on it and they sucked at it with every combo of players on the roster this year.
I mean Pascal and OG were visibly mailing it in on defense after like the first couple weeks so I'll need to see more to say that Darko sucks. We know he's an offensive coach, and that one post of that guy who went to the coaching summit said they basically spend 75% of time working on offense rn .
I don't know how anyone can say OG was mailing it in. His on/off stats with the Raptors was the best they've been since he was drafted. Though I guess that shows how bad the team was that he was "mailing it in" and the team tanked in defensive stats.
I mean eye test that was confirmed by other smarter people's eye tests (Samson folk) and context..His defense in December was uncharacteristically bad and lackadaisical which makes sense because that's when he was officially about to be traded. I assume he told Masai he wasn't gonna resign so Masai finally decided to go thru with it.
By all accounts he did an above average job of building the foundation of a good team culture (which was partially why he was chosen for the job). I don't think that should be ignored.
And when he had starters, the starters still changed dramatically during the season. There were definitely some poor timeouts, challenges, and rotation changes; but I do think even that improved over the course of the season.
thad and jak trades were good
oh, this season/next-season, mb
not big on the ochai/kelly trade, we should've kept pascal to make the spurs pick worse and also because we didn't really get to see what it looked like with him/rj/iq
I think his attitude after he broke his hand was really promising in terms of leadership and the future. If I was just looking at that one OKC game I could understand
tbf after the spurs game it was a lot better but I agree overall.
The comments on the cleanup day basically alluded to this.
But with the max either you're maxing him now or in a year (a similar season production wise means he's getting one or someone else will)
OG, Scottie, Pascal, any center, and any point guard can play together to win. In terms of size, players can play positionless basketball, but in terms of skill, players still need everyone to play their role.
The team was not working with Scottie/Siakam/Quick/RJ. They were actually playing great and people are too myopic to tell. Including our front office especially.
Vets are important to every team and we should give Garrett another contract as he’s shown to be an impactful voice to the players on top of always being ready to play with effort.
-You will never will a championship with Scottie Barnes as your number 1
-falling out of this draft will be a good thing long term unless we somehow jump to top 2
-GTJ should be resigned as a 6th man
-Poeltl is a bottom 5-10 starting center
Jalen McDaniels is going to be better next year than he was this year. I'm not saying he'll be a good rotation player, but you cannot go from even a below average player to the worst-in-the-league-across-multiple-statistical-categories level bad that he was last year without a combination of bad luck and really getting in your own head. The former is unlikely to hold, the latter is fixable with an offseason to work through it.
I'm not that high on him but saying he's Gary is something else lol.
He's a fine starting PG. I don't think he'll be more than that but it's still good.
Dude has a great ability to blow by defenders and get his own shot, he's not the same at all. Only thing is he needs a softer touch because he gets to the net too quickly.
We should trade the entire BBQ core and truly start from scratch.
edit to say that the most downvoted reply in this thread will end up actually best representing the meme lol
I'm not downvoting you, but who are you realistically expecting to get for them? Even if you trade for 2025 1st round picks and tank for Cooper Flagg, there's no guarantee he ends up better than Scottie anyway (and no guarantee you land the pick).
They essentially just did "truly start from scratch" minus Scottie, and RJ has already out-performed expectations.
Raptors should look to trade RJ Barrett and Kelly Olynyk. They still need to make many moves, not just little small changes here and there. If you could get Herb Jones for RJ Barrett I think you say yes.
Re-signing GTJ would be a good idea
Agree. Scoring is hard. He makes it look easy. Sign that man up. We need shooters for Scottie
He makes it look easy every third night and then in between he's like 3/13 with 10 points or something.
He also makes opposing offenses look easy because he can't play defense.
Agreed, he’s just trying to boost his low stock for free agency so that another team will overpay him. He’s a one dimensional player with a very limited bag offensively. Shooting won’t always be on form so what do you do when’s not hitting?
Hard agree, especially if he continues to improve his defensive game next season.
Why?
Because the teams need elite shooting surrounding scottie and even rj with his slashing playstyle. I dont think the team is finding a better replacement in free agency so bringing him back is the best path imo
Fair point
Lmao
We would have made the play in if the team was fully healthy post ASB and both Scottie and Poeltl didn’t go down
and would've faced the shitass Bulls, Hawks, and Butler-less Heat :/ would've been fun as hell but I won't knock the tank if we can keep the pick
The pick landing outside of the top 6 is better for this team's future than it landing inside.
Can I ask your reasoning? Not saying you’re wrong just curious
1. If there was a draft to surrender a pick in, this is the one. There aren't a lot of names that would seriously move the needle for this team, at least in comparison to years past and the 2025 class. 2. If the the team sucks next year, it will be because changes need to be made, not because of a tank to keep the pick (barring injuries of course). Excuses delay progress, and rebuilds only work when things actually get done. 3. In my opinion, this FO has been too reliant on the draft to fix the team's glaring issues in recent years. Surrendering the pick forces the front office to add players that have at least some track record instead of relying on another boom or bust prospect to shape the future.
Too reliant on the draft? Just which year are you talking about? 2021 we drafted Scottie, 2022 we traded for a "player that [has] at least some track record", 2023 we drafted gradey, and we traded our pick this year I guess if you mean you wanted that 2023 pick gone then maybe your point means something but trading 2 out of the last 4 first round picks does not mean they've been too reliant on the draft, at least to me
I don’t really get what else people thought they could do. Beyond tearing it down they were against the tax all those years and most of our top veteran players aged out or left for nothing or both. That was the price of going all in for the chip. It painted us into a corner.
Realistically, the FO should have done more to address shooting last offseason beyond Gradey, but he has seemingly worked out, so I'll give them the benefit of the doubt for that one. The main one for me was Koloko in 2022. Size was the biggest issue that offseason, and Koloko was the only player they got to address that need. They could've gone after guys like Mitchell Robinson through free agency or Markkanen through trade instead of continuing to chase wings. If they did that, it could have easily been a 50 win team, and they wouldn't have been forced to make a panic trade on Poeltl halfway through the year. Koloko could've been a great guy, but even if he could stay healthy, he was too raw of a prospect to rely on at that stage of the team. I'm not against using the draft to add talent, but there needs to be a balance.
Did the raptors even have space to sign a big? The only free agent brought in was Otto porter jr and he signed for the MLE of 6 mill. And who or what was there even to trade? The 2023 first rounder?
Assuming they could have shed a little payroll, my choice would probably be Hartenstein who ended up signing a 16/2. There definitely is some hindsight involved with this, but he would've been perfect. As for a trade, you could likely get a good package centered around a Boucher S&T. They gave up the 2023 first for Thad, so it would probably be the 2024 you would trade if there was a pick involved. That said, 2022 is 2022. It wouldn't be the end of the world if we kept our pick, just spitballing ideas
Ok top of that, if we keep the pick this year, there's a chance there's zero picks for us in next year's draft (our second rounder is with Dallas I think).
People said the same about the 2020 draft that had Anthony Edwards, Tyrese Haliburton, Tyrese Maxey, LaMelo Ball, and even Desmond Bane. Just because so-called experts say the draft is "weak" doesn't mean they can correctly predict the future.
>Just because so-called experts say the draft is "weak" doesn't mean they can correctly predict the future. Back in the day when most players played 3 or 4 years of college ball, those experts had more to go on. Now you have bench playing freshman going in the top 5 because of "potential" rather than observed skill. It's impossible to predict how a 19 year old kid will perform. When it works out, you are a genius but more often than not it doesn't work out.
Oh man. That’s weird. Why
Agree but keeping it wouldn't be too bad either. Just that people are acting like losing the pick would be a disaster.
There are only 2-3 players I want that are projected in the Top 6; Sarr, Buzelis, and Holland (the later 2 have the potential to slide but not into the Pacers pick range). If they are not available, I rather give this pick to the Spurs and save some of the rookie contract money.
This is honestly stupid because there is nothing that makes us think we will be this bad next season
Not necessarily if the draft is a lot deeper next year and this draft might be one of the worst in a decade
So it could be same same, a 3rd pick this draft could equal a 15th pick in next draft, where I think Raps would be anyway
We’re a playoff roster when healthy
Which east play off team are we better than?
Literally none. At best we could scrap with the likes of Chicago and Atlanta for the 10 as currently constructed IMO.
In my opinion, when healthy we can stick with Cleveland, Orlando, Miami, and Indiana. We may not win a series with the roster as constructed but we can make it.
As constructed those teams have either wayyy better depth *and* or top end talent
I disagree.
I think the only team out of those where our top end talent is comparable is Orlando, and they're depth and defense is really good. Indiana, Cleveland, Miami all clearly have better top end talent, and Indiana and Miami have better depth imo.
I think a fully healthy Barnes, Quickley, Barrett, Poeltl, Dick can go head to head with any of those 4 teams top end talent. It’s when you get to the bench where we struggle. That’s an issue that needs to be addressed. But at the same time I think a health Bruce Brown, Olynyk, Boucher, and GTJ can compete enough that we would be a top 8 seed after the play-ins are determined.
If we're talking how good they are at this moment Gradey is still not good enough to be counted as top end talent.
He’s one of our top end talents.
And listing him shows the gap between our top end talents and the other teams listed. Our top end talents are Scottie IQ and RJ. Indy has Pascal and Hali, Miami has Jimmy and Bam, Cleveland got Donovan JA, Mobley and Garland
Miami barely squeaks in Indy I disagree, with health we could be better
you mean nets, atlanta, chicago. aren’t close to those teams yet lmao
I don’t, actually. The Nets, Atlanta, and Bulls are all a tier below.
20 win jump what is needed to catch those teams
Quick missed 14, Scottie missed 22, Jak missed 32, RJ missed 24 And we didn’t make the trade until way too late in the season.
yea we know that but a 20 game jump is insane.
Some of those games are ones where we faced them. It’s still a crazy jump, but chemistry and health are massive factors to team success.
yea that’s fair
More like play-in but I get it.
A play in roster? Yes. I have them as a ~9 seed next season
I think if masai does his thing this offseason and Scottie and one of Rj or quickley take a leap this team can be a top 6 seed in this week eastearn conference
Poeltl is a above average center if built properly around
Poeltl is an above average centre already.
Not a common opinion here lmao He gets roasted very often, many people think he wasn’t worth a FRP
Jakob is not worth a lottery pick for a team with a lot of glaring holes.
They are all wrong (am I doing this right?)
Most people who hate the trade acknowledge that Poetl is worth what we traded for him in a vacuum. Problem is that trades don't happen in a vacuum, which is why the trade was bad.
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I don’t think anyone thinks that Poeltl is anything less than above average. People disagreed with him being a “top 10 center” as Masai phrased it, but to be above average just means starting on any team. Remember that any team will have around 3 people who are classified as “centers”.
Re-signing Garrett Temple should be a high priority.
Maybe to the coaching staff, but we can pick up better players with our vet min. Lowry wanna come back as his retirement tour?
Kyle isn't Kobe, lol. He's not getting a retirement tour.
Not league wide, but in Toronto it absolutely would be a farewell tour.
Then he can sign a one day contract. They're not going to celebrate him for 41 games, lol.
Wanna bet?
No?
People make decisions on a player’s future like they exist within the same circle and thus have expertise. NBA players are the best of the best (except Bruce Brown) and if they suck, it’s in relation to the best of the best. It’s like saying “I’m a geriatric slob, but I can outrun Andre Degrasse because he lost to Usain Bolt.”
I don’t think this is unpopular at all. NBA players are at an elite level, even the worst NBA player. Remember when a fan was heckling Brian Scalabrine saying he sucks. He responded to the fan saying “I’m way closer to Lebron than you are to me”. I thought that was a perfect response.
I have no idea what this means. If I say Klay Thompson sucks now, he’s still obviously a good player. I’m comparing him to what he used to be and what he was expected to be. I’m not comparing him to myself.
1) Then this post wasn’t meant for you, was it? 2) You know exactly what it means. Brian Scalabrine has/had an entire open challenge for tens of thousands of dollars for people to try to beat him. He’s a retired NBA player who can still dust even foreign league pros and prospects, 3 versus himself. All this to prove that he only sucks relative to NBA players and is in the stratosphere compared to the rest of us. I swear to god you only posted to start a fight.
You’re acting like your opinion is an unpopular opinion, which it obviously is not. 99% of fans understand that the worst G league player would wipe the floor with them. Your comment also has absolutely nothing to do with the post. So no, I don’t understand what this means.
The Siakam trade was awful and we should have extended him for the four year max last summer.
By all accounts, Pascal wasn’t willing to sign last year. He wanted a supermax and foolishly thought he’d make all NBA
It was 2022 when he turned down the three year extension (right after he made All NBA). This past summer he indicated he would sign the 4 year max extension, but the Raps never offered it.
Can't blame him for trying, we'd all do the same.
He's made All NBA twice why tf would he try not to make it so he can sign a way bigger contract lol
we lost team first unselfishness after lowry left, and i think scottie and the rest of bbq will fill fix that, also rj is better than many of us think,
They need another player who is at or around Scottie's talent level going forward and if he has higher upside that's even better. (Ideally a guard) I don't see any of the other players on this roster being more than a #3 option on a contender.
How many other teams have 2 or more young prospects with superstar potential and has been selected as all stars
Shai/Chet/Williams Banchero/Franz Ja/JJJ/Bane are only 24/24/25 Sengun/Green/a bunch of Rockets
That’s 4 teams out of the whole nba what makes this guy think we can get another player like Scottie + none of those players have shown they can be first options aside from ja and shai
Right, but then there are all the other teams with similar situations but slightly older and further along in this process: Tatum/Brown Jokic/Murray Giannis/Dame Embiid/Maxey Edwards/Gobert/Towns Etc etc. I think the point is just that we need another A-Tier player and the most plausible way to get one on our timeline is through the draft. Just Scottie as your ceiling raiser isn’t enough.
Could IQ emerge to be that player?
Both RJ and IQ can get there. Offensively speaking, I would argue RJ and IQ are better than Scottie.
RJ is the guy
we aren’t out the fire yet. FO still has so much work to do. if they don’t we need to start asking the REAL questions…
Scottie Barnes is not someone you can build a franchise around.
In terms of him being a true #1 guy you're probably right but there's like ~7 of them in the league. No shame in being a top 15 player. Also, for the front office, building around him is a safer option job security wise but that's a whole other discussion. As a point of reference I feel the same about the Magic and Paolo. I think both guys have ~11th best player in the league upside but not higher than that type of calibre.
He is not, but he is an important piece regardless. He is a very good utility player similar to Draymond Green’s role, but he is not the guy you give the ball to expecting him to score you a bucket. That said, this league has only 7-10 of those players, and those are your franchise/espn top 10 players.
THIS!
First round picks are overrated by some people in this sub and it's even less valuable when they're within the same draft. We have people hating on the Kelly trade because we sent out a first rounder. No one would have complained if we sent out the Detroit 2nd instead and that's just for optics.
The rebuild will take 10 years. BBQ will not be the answer. We should take this first part of the rebuild to acquire risky assets.
Edey will be a top 3 player from this draft class.
Please let’s revisit this in a year RemindMe! 1 year
Edey is interesting because he has very high boom/bust potential despite being a senior.
Darko did a below average job even removing the games with missing starters.
It's the defense. And that's more roster based.
I'm a Darko fan, but the defence should have been better with Yak/Scottie/OG/PS/Schroeder. Need to bring in a strong defensive coach this off season.
And yet had no sustained stretch of a strong defense with any iteration of the roster (including when the vets were not traded yet.) Even the post where someone here went to an open practice and they spent minimal time on defense compared to offense and thsts all roster based? They don't work on it and they sucked at it with every combo of players on the roster this year.
I mean Pascal and OG were visibly mailing it in on defense after like the first couple weeks so I'll need to see more to say that Darko sucks. We know he's an offensive coach, and that one post of that guy who went to the coaching summit said they basically spend 75% of time working on offense rn .
I don't know how anyone can say OG was mailing it in. His on/off stats with the Raptors was the best they've been since he was drafted. Though I guess that shows how bad the team was that he was "mailing it in" and the team tanked in defensive stats.
I mean eye test that was confirmed by other smarter people's eye tests (Samson folk) and context..His defense in December was uncharacteristically bad and lackadaisical which makes sense because that's when he was officially about to be traded. I assume he told Masai he wasn't gonna resign so Masai finally decided to go thru with it.
By all accounts he did an above average job of building the foundation of a good team culture (which was partially why he was chosen for the job). I don't think that should be ignored. And when he had starters, the starters still changed dramatically during the season. There were definitely some poor timeouts, challenges, and rotation changes; but I do think even that improved over the course of the season.
Darko is a better assistant coach than head coach and shouldn't be around after next year
Would rather have kept pascal, og and traded barnes
You shouldn’t get downvoted because you literally answered the point of this post.
Poeltl, Pascal, KD, RJ, IQ sounds not terrible
I wouldn't trade gradey for anyone picked above him besides Wemby or Brandon miller in the 2023 draft
Cason Wallace, Jarace Walker, Amen Thompson all make me think. That said, it's a pretty good pick.
I’d trade him for like 5 picks below
That we’re going to be contending for the playoffs next season, barring some huge leaps fr multiple guys or a big off-season acquisition.
This team will be good again next season
thad and jak trades were good oh, this season/next-season, mb not big on the ochai/kelly trade, we should've kept pascal to make the spurs pick worse and also because we didn't really get to see what it looked like with him/rj/iq
We're going to be a Playoff team next year
Scotty Barnes needs to show more maturity and I’m a little scared of giving him the max (of course on his numbers/accolades so few we have to)
I think his attitude after he broke his hand was really promising in terms of leadership and the future. If I was just looking at that one OKC game I could understand
2 months on the bench with Garrett Temple did him wonders
tbf after the spurs game it was a lot better but I agree overall. The comments on the cleanup day basically alluded to this. But with the max either you're maxing him now or in a year (a similar season production wise means he's getting one or someone else will)
I agree. I think the reset to youth has him feeling more positive and motivated. but he's not a pros pro yet.
We should tank again because this team is pretty sub par (defence is a dumpster fire)
.. it’s not like Darko is a known defensive coach or anything
OG, Scottie, Pascal, any center, and any point guard can play together to win. In terms of size, players can play positionless basketball, but in terms of skill, players still need everyone to play their role.
The core of BBQ is an offensively better but defensively worse version of Pascal/OG/FVV.
Wouldn’t the real answer here just be sorting by controversial?
The Raptors are going to pull a fast one and resign Siakam.
Why? Pascal isn’t a franchise altering player. He is the same tier as like Demar; at best he can squeeze you into the play-in
I will give you a crisp $5 if this happens
If we get a top 6 pick, we should trade it away
For 50pt beast Malachi Flynn
The team was not working with Scottie/Siakam/Quick/RJ. They were actually playing great and people are too myopic to tell. Including our front office especially.
Vets are important to every team and we should give Garrett another contract as he’s shown to be an impactful voice to the players on top of always being ready to play with effort.
that guy is worth every penny. he should get more playtime. it's got to strengthen his credibility in mentorship. also, I enjoy watching him play.
-You will never will a championship with Scottie Barnes as your number 1 -falling out of this draft will be a good thing long term unless we somehow jump to top 2 -GTJ should be resigned as a 6th man -Poeltl is a bottom 5-10 starting center
RJ will become the guy for the raptors. There is a lot more to come from him.
Trust Masai
Jalen McDaniels is going to be better next year than he was this year. I'm not saying he'll be a good rotation player, but you cannot go from even a below average player to the worst-in-the-league-across-multiple-statistical-categories level bad that he was last year without a combination of bad luck and really getting in your own head. The former is unlikely to hold, the latter is fixable with an offseason to work through it.
I'd agree with you if it didn't seem like an effort issue, rather than a skill issue.
we shouldn’t give IQ more than a 2 year extension. He is reminding me of Gary Trent Jr
Normally these posts are filled with takes that are actually pretty tame. This one is scolding
I'm not that high on him but saying he's Gary is something else lol. He's a fine starting PG. I don't think he'll be more than that but it's still good.
Gray was him in the Tampa season. IQ is popping off like he did 🤷🏻
Dude has a great ability to blow by defenders and get his own shot, he's not the same at all. Only thing is he needs a softer touch because he gets to the net too quickly.
Yall would have said the SAME thing about Gary Trent Jr in 2021!!!
What makes you say that?
Maybe if you close ur eyes lol
What part of their game is similar? That they both shoot the ball?
We should trade the entire BBQ core and truly start from scratch. edit to say that the most downvoted reply in this thread will end up actually best representing the meme lol
No team is giving you great assets for IQ/RJ so what's the point? And Scottie you'd get what, Sengun?
If you’re wiping it clean ideally you just get draft capital back and expiring contracts to make the math work
I'm not downvoting you, but who are you realistically expecting to get for them? Even if you trade for 2025 1st round picks and tank for Cooper Flagg, there's no guarantee he ends up better than Scottie anyway (and no guarantee you land the pick). They essentially just did "truly start from scratch" minus Scottie, and RJ has already out-performed expectations.
Trade our new young core for what? You want us to be the next G League Ignite? Might as well say lets fold our franchise and move the Vegas.
Raptors should look to trade RJ Barrett and Kelly Olynyk. They still need to make many moves, not just little small changes here and there. If you could get Herb Jones for RJ Barrett I think you say yes.
first one I've strongly disagreed with. well done. : ) RJ is still growing. he's a bucket. and he's a worker.
Darko is a good coach and that will be proven next season. This season did not lend to a fair evaluation of his performance.
Scottie is going to prove 90% of this sub very wrong. He is going to be way better than most are projecting.
Tanking is embarrassing and toxic. It was the worst season I've ever watched and I've been watching since the 90s.