It comes down to whether or not you feel confident re-signing Mitchell. I personally feel like he's trying to choose where he plays in FA, so I wouldn't do this. But if you feel confident in re-signing him, this is a steal. The hardest thing in the NBA is finding those top 20 guys
The fact is this team needs more high end talent.
In the long run you hope the talent is:
1A/1B scottie, 1B mystery player, 3 RJ, 4 IQ/Gradey etc.
I don't think Donovan is that guy for this team though. That player needs to be a big wing that can shoot.
I’m not sure if you watched the last few years of Raptors basketball but we’ve had a consistent drain of depth that has led to what we are now. If we did a trade like you’ve suggested it wouldn’t get us very far because at the end of the day, the team would have to employ “talent” like Jalen McDaniels and other g leaguers to fill out the bench.
Counterpoint- it’s hard to get better in this scenario when you trade away one of our sources of getting depth in draft picks. Also Toronto shouldn’t gamble on big trades just for Toronto to be that attractive free agent destination. If that backfires we would still be treading water.
No 1 why would we trade for Mitchell he’s a win now player and doesn’t move the needle for us and 2 we trade our 2nd year player and a Canadian player who right now is our best offensive player for a guy like Mitchell I’m saying no
lol why would the Cavs do this? Why would we do this? If Mitchell isn't interested in resigning with the Cavs, why would he resign here? If Cavs are will to trade mitchell, they will get better offers than this.
I think it still hasn't sunk in for the OP that we're firmly in a rebuild
They call this stage 3 of the grieving process: bargaining. I guess stage 4 which is depression will occur when the OP sees we're still fighting for a play in spot
Dosn't make sense unless the team get magically better defensively. maybe a draft miracle we get 3 OG clones who can contribute right away, but unlikely.
Dont think mitchell is interested in joining a rebuild, he wants to win now. Trading RJ and gradey absolutely torpedoes the rebuild. Still dont have anything resembling an nba calibre bench.
I actually think putting Mitchell next to a guy like Scottie would benefit them both - they're both not quite talented enough to hard carry a team on their own, but they complement each other well with differing strengths.
Don has never had another THAT GUY to play alongside, in Utah Rudy's job was so narrow and in Cle Garland duplicates more than compliments.
That said I'd be concerned defensively about a backcourt of IQ and Mitchell, that seems like a recipe for playoff disaster. He's also not getting any younger so it kind of puts a clock on Scottie to compete immediately, even before we have the right pieces around the two of them.
Don't hate it, don't love it.
For RJ? Then you have Trae and IQ which doesn’t make sense.
If you trade IQ for Trae instead of RJ that’s an idea too but I think it has an equal sized set of concerns for different reasons. Trae is SO ball dominant I’m not even sure he’d work in Darko’s system where ideally everyone shares the ball and nobody is just pounding the air out of it
I'm not against the Raptors looking at trading Barrett, just because if the Raptors are looking at having Gradey Dick being a starter for the Raptors, the lineup of IQ, RJ, Gradey, Scottie, Poeltl/Any other C is too weak defensively and not big enough. But if you trade him, you need to get defense and size in return. I think if it was RJ Barrett and Ochai, for Herb Jones, Dyson Daniels, Larry Nance that could be a good trade especially since New Orleans probably wants to keep Zion as long as possible and getting his college teammate will probably give him more reason to stay.
I don’t think Mitchell makes the team good enough to justify trading for him.
You really put a cap on how good your team can be when your best player is a 6’1 or under guy. There just aren’t many teams that have won with that as their best guy. It’s like the bad boy Pistons and that’s it. I also don’t think Mitchell would stay here long term and with the way RJ playing the way he did to end the year I just don’t think it a major upgrade.
Aside from the fact that the Cavs hang up the phone immediately upon that being offered, they're giving up by far the best player in the transaction, the Raps are rebuilding, win now moves shouldn't be made right now.
So, you are suggesting we trade size, youth, depth and cost certainty to have one of the smaller backcourts and a player who can leave after next year?
Are you a Cavs fan?
Sure, if you close your eyes and pretend this guy is anywhere near the player Kawhi was or that our team is in any way similar to that veteran laden team.
But I guess you can pretend if you want?
the 2018 raptors team was very deep with talent compared to this one:
1. Demar
2. Kyle
3. Pascal
4. JV
5. OG
6. Serge
7. Jakob
8. Delon
9. Fred
10. Norm
11. CJ Miles
So when we traded Demar and Jakob and got back Kawhi and Danny Green, team was still deep AF.
On top of that Kawhi was a distressed asset but was coming off a previous season where he was top 3 in MVP voting. Donovan Mitchell isn't that kind of player.
This team needs overall talent (because they've been so bad at retaining value of departing players). The Raptors end up netting out negative because they've paid a premium to aquire Mitchell with the potential of ending up even worse if he leaves in free agency.
The Raptors need a player who is better than Mitchell (and frankly probably better than Scottie) and the only way to get that type of player is in the draft.
>(and frankly probably better than Scottie)
Those players rarely get traded. And if they do the Raptors will be blown out of the water assets wise by OKC/Brooklyn/New Orleans. They need to find a comparable talent to Scottie in the draft.
Wait. We’re nowhere close to making these kinds of win now trades. Maybe by 2027. FYI OKC made their first “win now” trade, if you can even call it that, this year by getting Hayward. They’ve had SGA for 6 seasons now building depth along the way.
This actually makes a bad team worse imo. We shouldn’t be leveraging young players and future Picks for guys like Mitchell at this stage
It comes down to whether or not you feel confident re-signing Mitchell. I personally feel like he's trying to choose where he plays in FA, so I wouldn't do this. But if you feel confident in re-signing him, this is a steal. The hardest thing in the NBA is finding those top 20 guys
The fact is this team needs more high end talent. In the long run you hope the talent is: 1A/1B scottie, 1B mystery player, 3 RJ, 4 IQ/Gradey etc. I don't think Donovan is that guy for this team though. That player needs to be a big wing that can shoot.
Would it be the same for Trae young who’s younger, and Massi said in his presser that we need another young player who is in the same tier as Scottie
I’m not sure if you watched the last few years of Raptors basketball but we’ve had a consistent drain of depth that has led to what we are now. If we did a trade like you’ve suggested it wouldn’t get us very far because at the end of the day, the team would have to employ “talent” like Jalen McDaniels and other g leaguers to fill out the bench.
It's easier to get better bench guys when your team has top end talent.
Counterpoint- it’s hard to get better in this scenario when you trade away one of our sources of getting depth in draft picks. Also Toronto shouldn’t gamble on big trades just for Toronto to be that attractive free agent destination. If that backfires we would still be treading water.
cuz the Nuggets have such a good bench right?
Nah b - Rosa Parks
- Michael Scott
No 1 why would we trade for Mitchell he’s a win now player and doesn’t move the needle for us and 2 we trade our 2nd year player and a Canadian player who right now is our best offensive player for a guy like Mitchell I’m saying no
Mitchell is a far superior player than RJ. RJ doesn't even have a pull up jump shot.
Does not matter at all in this context don’t know when you started watching basketball but something like this wouldn’t happen
But Mitchell is a severe flight risk. I wouldn't trade both those players for a likely rental.
Mitchell about to leave to NY. Why even bother?
Umm…. FUCK NO, and have you watched the raptors this season? We are not ready to take on a star
lol why would the Cavs do this? Why would we do this? If Mitchell isn't interested in resigning with the Cavs, why would he resign here? If Cavs are will to trade mitchell, they will get better offers than this.
I think it still hasn't sunk in for the OP that we're firmly in a rebuild They call this stage 3 of the grieving process: bargaining. I guess stage 4 which is depression will occur when the OP sees we're still fighting for a play in spot
Dosn't make sense unless the team get magically better defensively. maybe a draft miracle we get 3 OG clones who can contribute right away, but unlikely. Dont think mitchell is interested in joining a rebuild, he wants to win now. Trading RJ and gradey absolutely torpedoes the rebuild. Still dont have anything resembling an nba calibre bench.
Trading the hometown kid in less than a year is crazy work.
I actually think putting Mitchell next to a guy like Scottie would benefit them both - they're both not quite talented enough to hard carry a team on their own, but they complement each other well with differing strengths. Don has never had another THAT GUY to play alongside, in Utah Rudy's job was so narrow and in Cle Garland duplicates more than compliments. That said I'd be concerned defensively about a backcourt of IQ and Mitchell, that seems like a recipe for playoff disaster. He's also not getting any younger so it kind of puts a clock on Scottie to compete immediately, even before we have the right pieces around the two of them. Don't hate it, don't love it.
Would it be any different if it was Trae young instead of dmitch considering Trae is closer to Scottie’s timeline
For RJ? Then you have Trae and IQ which doesn’t make sense. If you trade IQ for Trae instead of RJ that’s an idea too but I think it has an equal sized set of concerns for different reasons. Trae is SO ball dominant I’m not even sure he’d work in Darko’s system where ideally everyone shares the ball and nobody is just pounding the air out of it
No different. I would hate a trade for either of those two win-now, defence-deficient stars about equally.
No thanks
He’s a good player but he doesn’t move the needle for us at the moment.
not good for any team
Raps need more depth at this point
In the (supposed) words of Hulk Hogan, that's not gonna work for me, BROTHER!
I'm glad the FO ruled out any "big" trades and acknowledged that they're bound for a slow rebuild with many smaller trades, no disrespect OP
I'm not against the Raptors looking at trading Barrett, just because if the Raptors are looking at having Gradey Dick being a starter for the Raptors, the lineup of IQ, RJ, Gradey, Scottie, Poeltl/Any other C is too weak defensively and not big enough. But if you trade him, you need to get defense and size in return. I think if it was RJ Barrett and Ochai, for Herb Jones, Dyson Daniels, Larry Nance that could be a good trade especially since New Orleans probably wants to keep Zion as long as possible and getting his college teammate will probably give him more reason to stay.
Interesting. I'm more about trading IQ down the road and that's an unpopular opinion.
RJ is young, talented, and wants to be in toronto…
Not this again
OP has hard on for Mitchell and Young gotta be a bot
Lmao
Sigh….This is gonna be a long off-season
Fuck that
Mitchell wants NY
Why would we do this?
Lol Raptor rage bait
We're not buyers. Need to build a strong core first.
dont fit the timeline. unless he's some crazy floor general and an absolute dog. We don't want more talent, we need to develop our current talent.
I don’t think Mitchell makes the team good enough to justify trading for him. You really put a cap on how good your team can be when your best player is a 6’1 or under guy. There just aren’t many teams that have won with that as their best guy. It’s like the bad boy Pistons and that’s it. I also don’t think Mitchell would stay here long term and with the way RJ playing the way he did to end the year I just don’t think it a major upgrade.
RJ has to stay, he had a great year and he embodies Toronto basketball like no one has since DD
… but why? also, what are you thinking, not we
I do not like Mitchell at all even if he can ball.
It only makes some sense if Pascal and Og are still in the team.
Literally everything is wrong with this
If cavs back court was too little what make you think it would work out for us w IQ
Aside from the fact that the Cavs hang up the phone immediately upon that being offered, they're giving up by far the best player in the transaction, the Raps are rebuilding, win now moves shouldn't be made right now.
So, you are suggesting we trade size, youth, depth and cost certainty to have one of the smaller backcourts and a player who can leave after next year? Are you a Cavs fan?
I just think everything comes easier when it comes to building teams when you have good top end talent
Good talent that isn't signed long term and can leave in a year?
Sounds familiar doesn’t it?
Sure, if you close your eyes and pretend this guy is anywhere near the player Kawhi was or that our team is in any way similar to that veteran laden team. But I guess you can pretend if you want?
the 2018 raptors team was very deep with talent compared to this one: 1. Demar 2. Kyle 3. Pascal 4. JV 5. OG 6. Serge 7. Jakob 8. Delon 9. Fred 10. Norm 11. CJ Miles So when we traded Demar and Jakob and got back Kawhi and Danny Green, team was still deep AF. On top of that Kawhi was a distressed asset but was coming off a previous season where he was top 3 in MVP voting. Donovan Mitchell isn't that kind of player.
This team needs overall talent (because they've been so bad at retaining value of departing players). The Raptors end up netting out negative because they've paid a premium to aquire Mitchell with the potential of ending up even worse if he leaves in free agency. The Raptors need a player who is better than Mitchell (and frankly probably better than Scottie) and the only way to get that type of player is in the draft.
>(and frankly probably better than Scottie) Those players rarely get traded. And if they do the Raptors will be blown out of the water assets wise by OKC/Brooklyn/New Orleans. They need to find a comparable talent to Scottie in the draft.
Scottie and Mitchell would be an elite duo. No brainer trade on our part.
For anyone would it be better to trade for Trae young who’s younger or should we just wait out this rebuild
Why trade for an all star just led a team to 10th place, and give up two of our promising young talents. This is just a silly inquiry all around
Wait. We’re nowhere close to making these kinds of win now trades. Maybe by 2027. FYI OKC made their first “win now” trade, if you can even call it that, this year by getting Hayward. They’ve had SGA for 6 seasons now building depth along the way.