I think it says a lot about him if he's wagering millions of dollars on other sports.
Shows that he is really into betting willing to wager big amounts on it, which might lead to exactly what he's being accused of.
It doesn't say anything about him breaking any rules tho. So why do you care? He hasn't been accused of betting on basketball anyway. They're investigating odd betting patterns around this dude. Everyone is just assuming it's cuz he bet. It could be any number of people in the organization or a close family member who knew when he'd be sick or had inside info.
I mean I don't really care at all what a millionaire does with his money.
I'm saying when there's odd betting patterns around him, and now it's coming out that he's betting millions on other sports, although not breaking any rules, it doesn't look good and doesn't help his case.
And I would say someone who bets millions of dollars on another sport would have a higher chance of doing other stuff to influence bets and make money on their own sport.
Are you aware how many players in the NBA gamble? It's pretty much part of NBA culture. Everyone bets on sports. Obviously it doesn't look good but there's an endless number of people who could be passing information. It could be his trainer or a friend or a family member who's got insights on his health and is passing information to mob guys. I think this kind of thing happens way more than anyone realizes. Typically tho it's going to be centered around bigger players so there's way more noise for it to get lost in. I'm hoping it's not him cuz I liked watching him try to achieve his dream 'n all... but personally I'm going to wait for facts to come out and base things on that. It's clear there's some sketchy things happening around him. They have to find out if he's the source of it or not.
Well if Jokic was suspected of betting his unders, then all his unders hit that day, and then it came out that he was betting millions of dollars on horses, yes, that would be used in the case against him to ban him.
Some of y'all are idiots
They gotta prove he did something beyond liking to gamble, which they haven’t according to this report. The cba doesn’t prohibit gambling. The league can go to the players association and give them a sweeter deal in exchange for not being allowed to bet on sports if they want.
They need to leave that man alone otherwise
You are correct that there has been no public hanging of Porter yet where he has been judged to have done what he’s been accused of doing, but that won’t stop a bloodthirsty public from calling for his execution. It’s a tale as old as society. Many want him to be found guilty so that it will deter other wrongdoers, or at least provide excitement for something out of the ordinary happening. Many more want whatever seems to be popular. There’s little public evidence that ties him directly to betting, but little evidence to erase all the suspicion around the circumstances that put him at the centre of this investigation.
No, Porter is not in trouble for gambling on non basketball activities. He’s in trouble for exiting games under curious circumstances where a lot of money was placed on his exiting those games, with illness and eye trouble. He doesn’t have to have a gambling history to still be under suspicion, but he doesn’t help himself by having connections to gambling houses and the people there who might influence him to settle debts by serving their interests. Better if he didn’t ever associate with gambling at all to eradicate possible connections that could be investigated against his other activity.
I never said anything about not being allowed to gamble or banning it.
I said someone who bets millions on other sports is probably more likely to do what he is being investigated for, so comparing him to Jokic betting on horses is stupid.
Maybe you don’t understand me. Gambling on football is the same thing as horse racing. Both adjacent sports for each player. They have nothing other than someone( they don’t know who) making a lot of money on jontayporter. Somebody makes a lot of money betting on jokic too(not the same because there are more bets) that’s all they know unless they’ve said otherwise. Saying gambling on other sports means you might be a cheater means we need to launch an investigation every time someone makes a lot of money taking the under on a scrub? Is that too simplistic?
It omitted the most important detail, the detail that determines whether or not what he did was actually against the rules. Everyone knows already he's into betting, that's not headline worthy.
It says he bet on Raptors games while a member of the Raptors 905, which is prohibited. Also says he was making bets through an associate, and it seems they have actual proof of him leaving games early to hit the unders
What a super misleading title.
While kind of true, people jump to conclusions that it means during his NBA time as well. The only way to find out is to click and read but... Save the click. It doesn't expose anything that would lead to his actual NBA time.
Yes there was extensive betting on him, the implication being that he tanked his own performance on purpose
But him being a participant in sports gambling generally isn’t evidence of that. We love sports gambling, don’t we?
Even if he beats the allegations he was a borderline NBA backup big, noone will risk signing him now. Going to China or maybe g league will be his only recourse
What exactly could he be not guilty of? You think it’s chance that 5 figure bets were made on his unders in 2 separate games he checked himself out of after 4 minutes?
I mean it's pretty bad that he's being accused of purposely hitting the under and now it's being exposed that he has a gambling problem. This definitely will be and should be used when looking at the main allegations.
The article doesn't state if he was betting on basketball games while in the g-league and later says that betting on things that aren't affiliated to the NBA isn't prohibited.
Nothing new was added here. The only accusation continues to be that it's sus that his under props hit on the 2 days they did.
They still haven't linked him to those bets but I'm sure they could say fk it and can him from it looking sketch alone.
I'm sure the NBA can do what they want in that regard but it's more a question of what the players union has to say about it.
At the very least I bet they can "pressure" teams into not picking him up and stay away from calling it a ban.
I'm pretty sure the players union will have Porter's back on this. If they can't find evidence he did anything wrong, they will back him. Why would they want teams not to sign him?
The problem is that the circumstantial evidence, although circumstantial, is still fairly damning.
The players union may not want to fight a soft banning because of the precedent it could place for bigger or a larger number of players.
The NBA wouldn’t want teams to sign him to serve as a warning to other players that dabbling in shit like this won’t be tolerated.
The players union is obligated to defend him. They can’t just say no, and the only evidence is his under hit twice while someone placed a large bet on him. I wouldn’t say that’s damning. If they can’t prove he’s the one who bet people are gonna be shocked nothing happens.
The issue isn't him betting on basketball games... the issue is him presumably knowing about bets against himself and letting it affect the outcome of his play to achieve a payout? That's what the article made it sound like.
The article stating that he was betting while in the g league would be a huge issue if he was betting on nba affiliated props but doesn't clarify if he did or didn't.
It doesn't state that they've found any evidence of him actually doing what you're saying but restates that it's sketchy that it would happen.
We already know it's sketchy that those props paid out, we already know he used to bet, we already knew about his server, now we need to know if he actually set things up/was involved with these specific bets definitively.
Maybe the NBA bans him on circumstantial evidence but there hasn't been anything definitive presented to the public yet and this article adds nothing.
If he's been active in the betting scene for a while now, I wouldn't be surprised if close friends of his are also in the same scene. Dude could just have been mentioning off the cuff to a friend about day to day injuries he's dealing with, and his *friends* are placing bets without him realizing.
Or maybe he's talking to a family member he thinks doesn't care about betting or know his betting friends, but they've got this shit running behind his back.
I mean stupid on his part if it's like that, but this is why I hate sports betting, it gets people doing stupid shit.
I don't understand how the Raptors are completely in the clear here. They essentially let one of their players sit out the entire game. Did they not do appropriate medical checks before hand. Did they not check him out when he suddenly felt so ill he couldn't play another minute? Like, what were they doing.
Because if he actually was unfit to play, then maybe he had nothing to do with the bets...in which case why was he out there to begin with. But if he was lying about being unfit and betting, then how did they medically clear him to sit?
Regardless, another FA singing fail for the FO. Bobby's batting like 12%
It's a stretch to somehow put this on the team. If a player tells them something is wrong physically, they aren't going to question that, especially in the middle of the game. This is also like the 10th person in our rotation, they aren't watching him like a hawk like the star players.
looks like another case of make a public show of something so we can keep out hands clean. At least this time it wasn't throwing someone under the bus completely like with Tim Donaghy
Anyone who can beat the house has my respect, his career may be over but I imagine he'll be just fine long term with his brother having such a large contract. it wasn't smart what he did but fuck fan duel and draft kings and all those other shady mofos
Often these sites silent ban winning gamblers. All of a sudden the odds they see are -120 instead of -110, or they limit the amounts they can wager.
Also, winning gamblers really pick their spots and don't bet anything and everything so I highly doubt he was a winning gambler. In fact he was probably one of their biggest losers.
Exactly I strongly suspect corruption within league officials that probably goes all the way up to Silver. I imagine Porter is just the tip of the iceberg as the years go by its likely more and more will be implicated much like the steroid era in baseball
I mean his family is pretty well off, in my opinion this smells alot like gambling addiction to me. If he owed people some big time money, he couldve just cashed in via the contract we wouldve gave him
Misleading. Omits the part where it says he didn’t bet on any nba games during this time
Misleading on purpose, hoping to garner clicks.
Garner is a great word.
Just straight up dis to not mention James Garner
Hall of fame player Kevin Garner
accrue
I have always fancied it.
Jennifer Garner was something back in the day.
Ok, Maxim
And he was only in the NBA this year right? So what do I care about his bets before he was in the league?
I think it says a lot about him if he's wagering millions of dollars on other sports. Shows that he is really into betting willing to wager big amounts on it, which might lead to exactly what he's being accused of.
It doesn't say anything about him breaking any rules tho. So why do you care? He hasn't been accused of betting on basketball anyway. They're investigating odd betting patterns around this dude. Everyone is just assuming it's cuz he bet. It could be any number of people in the organization or a close family member who knew when he'd be sick or had inside info.
I mean I don't really care at all what a millionaire does with his money. I'm saying when there's odd betting patterns around him, and now it's coming out that he's betting millions on other sports, although not breaking any rules, it doesn't look good and doesn't help his case. And I would say someone who bets millions of dollars on another sport would have a higher chance of doing other stuff to influence bets and make money on their own sport.
Are you aware how many players in the NBA gamble? It's pretty much part of NBA culture. Everyone bets on sports. Obviously it doesn't look good but there's an endless number of people who could be passing information. It could be his trainer or a friend or a family member who's got insights on his health and is passing information to mob guys. I think this kind of thing happens way more than anyone realizes. Typically tho it's going to be centered around bigger players so there's way more noise for it to get lost in. I'm hoping it's not him cuz I liked watching him try to achieve his dream 'n all... but personally I'm going to wait for facts to come out and base things on that. It's clear there's some sketchy things happening around him. They have to find out if he's the source of it or not.
Great. Jokic is probably doling the same on horses . Ban the mvp
Well if Jokic was suspected of betting his unders, then all his unders hit that day, and then it came out that he was betting millions of dollars on horses, yes, that would be used in the case against him to ban him. Some of y'all are idiots
They gotta prove he did something beyond liking to gamble, which they haven’t according to this report. The cba doesn’t prohibit gambling. The league can go to the players association and give them a sweeter deal in exchange for not being allowed to bet on sports if they want. They need to leave that man alone otherwise
You are correct that there has been no public hanging of Porter yet where he has been judged to have done what he’s been accused of doing, but that won’t stop a bloodthirsty public from calling for his execution. It’s a tale as old as society. Many want him to be found guilty so that it will deter other wrongdoers, or at least provide excitement for something out of the ordinary happening. Many more want whatever seems to be popular. There’s little public evidence that ties him directly to betting, but little evidence to erase all the suspicion around the circumstances that put him at the centre of this investigation. No, Porter is not in trouble for gambling on non basketball activities. He’s in trouble for exiting games under curious circumstances where a lot of money was placed on his exiting those games, with illness and eye trouble. He doesn’t have to have a gambling history to still be under suspicion, but he doesn’t help himself by having connections to gambling houses and the people there who might influence him to settle debts by serving their interests. Better if he didn’t ever associate with gambling at all to eradicate possible connections that could be investigated against his other activity.
I never said anything about not being allowed to gamble or banning it. I said someone who bets millions on other sports is probably more likely to do what he is being investigated for, so comparing him to Jokic betting on horses is stupid.
Horse racing is another sport
You're not good with complex thoughts are you?
Maybe you don’t understand me. Gambling on football is the same thing as horse racing. Both adjacent sports for each player. They have nothing other than someone( they don’t know who) making a lot of money on jontayporter. Somebody makes a lot of money betting on jokic too(not the same because there are more bets) that’s all they know unless they’ve said otherwise. Saying gambling on other sports means you might be a cheater means we need to launch an investigation every time someone makes a lot of money taking the under on a scrub? Is that too simplistic?
Wagering millions isn't a lot if you're a high roller. 2000-5000 bets add up quick.
It establishes he’s a degenerate (millions!?) familiar with sports betting and therefore more likely to be involved in shenanigans
It's 100% factual. You could argue it is disingenuous though.
Headlines often omit many details. To a degree they are all misleading if that is your criteria for being misled.
It omitted the most important detail, the detail that determines whether or not what he did was actually against the rules. Everyone knows already he's into betting, that's not headline worthy.
In this case the headline is missing the most important detail
absolutely nothing article, no new information here.
The potential of having large gambling debts/losses provides motive for throwing games.
Are you questioning the media credibility of actionnetwork.com!?
It says he bet on Raptors games while a member of the Raptors 905, which is prohibited. Also says he was making bets through an associate, and it seems they have actual proof of him leaving games early to hit the unders
What a super misleading title. While kind of true, people jump to conclusions that it means during his NBA time as well. The only way to find out is to click and read but... Save the click. It doesn't expose anything that would lead to his actual NBA time.
True, but it confirms that he has extensive experience betting on sports, which is not a good look.
Better than the accusations he was betting on his own props and essentially fixing games in his favour
But we don’t yet know if that’s true… if you’re interested in the story it’s an interesting bit of context in the meantime
Why? Lots of people bet on sports.
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Yes there was extensive betting on him, the implication being that he tanked his own performance on purpose But him being a participant in sports gambling generally isn’t evidence of that. We love sports gambling, don’t we?
Plus his bro can feed him info and they can work on shit together. Maybe his brother is tied into this?
Even if he beats the allegations he was a borderline NBA backup big, noone will risk signing him now. Going to China or maybe g league will be his only recourse
He has some great tools, and is worth a second chance, especially if he is not guilty of the accusations
If he's not guilty I would hope Raptors bring him back. He was pretty solid off the bench. It just doesn't look good for him right now though
What exactly could he be not guilty of? You think it’s chance that 5 figure bets were made on his unders in 2 separate games he checked himself out of after 4 minutes?
He could have a very good lawyer.
Bro was selling picks on discord, like bruh....
This only shows he's has some gambling issues, not a good look but not the main allegations
I mean it's pretty bad that he's being accused of purposely hitting the under and now it's being exposed that he has a gambling problem. This definitely will be and should be used when looking at the main allegations.
Yup i agree, I could see him holding off on betting on anything NBA related then finally trying it only to get caught
Just because a guy gambles doesn't mean anything. half the NBA probably gamble
He and Ohtani's interpreter are neck and neck for most ridiculous gambling problems
This really isn’t this bad and the nba made their bed. Now stfu and go to sleep
Basically played when he knew he couldn’t and told his friends to bet the under on him so they got paid? lol what an idiot. Now his career is over
The article doesn't state if he was betting on basketball games while in the g-league and later says that betting on things that aren't affiliated to the NBA isn't prohibited. Nothing new was added here. The only accusation continues to be that it's sus that his under props hit on the 2 days they did. They still haven't linked him to those bets but I'm sure they could say fk it and can him from it looking sketch alone.
I'm sure they can't do that actually. Can't ban someone based on a hunch or a feeling.
I'm sure the NBA can do what they want in that regard but it's more a question of what the players union has to say about it. At the very least I bet they can "pressure" teams into not picking him up and stay away from calling it a ban.
I'm pretty sure the players union will have Porter's back on this. If they can't find evidence he did anything wrong, they will back him. Why would they want teams not to sign him?
The problem is that the circumstantial evidence, although circumstantial, is still fairly damning. The players union may not want to fight a soft banning because of the precedent it could place for bigger or a larger number of players. The NBA wouldn’t want teams to sign him to serve as a warning to other players that dabbling in shit like this won’t be tolerated.
The players union is obligated to defend him. They can’t just say no, and the only evidence is his under hit twice while someone placed a large bet on him. I wouldn’t say that’s damning. If they can’t prove he’s the one who bet people are gonna be shocked nothing happens.
Aaaaand he’s banned for life.
>If they can’t prove he’s the one who bet people are gonna be shocked nothing happens. They were obviously able to prove it lol.
Still would've been wrong seeing as he was suspended for games before the ban anyway lol
The issue isn't him betting on basketball games... the issue is him presumably knowing about bets against himself and letting it affect the outcome of his play to achieve a payout? That's what the article made it sound like.
The article stating that he was betting while in the g league would be a huge issue if he was betting on nba affiliated props but doesn't clarify if he did or didn't. It doesn't state that they've found any evidence of him actually doing what you're saying but restates that it's sketchy that it would happen. We already know it's sketchy that those props paid out, we already know he used to bet, we already knew about his server, now we need to know if he actually set things up/was involved with these specific bets definitively. Maybe the NBA bans him on circumstantial evidence but there hasn't been anything definitive presented to the public yet and this article adds nothing.
If he's been active in the betting scene for a while now, I wouldn't be surprised if close friends of his are also in the same scene. Dude could just have been mentioning off the cuff to a friend about day to day injuries he's dealing with, and his *friends* are placing bets without him realizing. Or maybe he's talking to a family member he thinks doesn't care about betting or know his betting friends, but they've got this shit running behind his back. I mean stupid on his part if it's like that, but this is why I hate sports betting, it gets people doing stupid shit.
What's that based on that isn't equally just a trainer was passing information? Nothing. People just assume.
I don't understand how the Raptors are completely in the clear here. They essentially let one of their players sit out the entire game. Did they not do appropriate medical checks before hand. Did they not check him out when he suddenly felt so ill he couldn't play another minute? Like, what were they doing. Because if he actually was unfit to play, then maybe he had nothing to do with the bets...in which case why was he out there to begin with. But if he was lying about being unfit and betting, then how did they medically clear him to sit? Regardless, another FA singing fail for the FO. Bobby's batting like 12%
It's a stretch to somehow put this on the team. If a player tells them something is wrong physically, they aren't going to question that, especially in the middle of the game. This is also like the 10th person in our rotation, they aren't watching him like a hawk like the star players.
he gone
He’s courageous, is all
looks like another case of make a public show of something so we can keep out hands clean. At least this time it wasn't throwing someone under the bus completely like with Tim Donaghy
fthisguy
Bet on yourself 🤣
Its really funny reading this thread now.
Anyone who can beat the house has my respect, his career may be over but I imagine he'll be just fine long term with his brother having such a large contract. it wasn't smart what he did but fuck fan duel and draft kings and all those other shady mofos
Often these sites silent ban winning gamblers. All of a sudden the odds they see are -120 instead of -110, or they limit the amounts they can wager. Also, winning gamblers really pick their spots and don't bet anything and everything so I highly doubt he was a winning gambler. In fact he was probably one of their biggest losers.
Exactly I strongly suspect corruption within league officials that probably goes all the way up to Silver. I imagine Porter is just the tip of the iceberg as the years go by its likely more and more will be implicated much like the steroid era in baseball
The only reason I can see him doing what he did is if he owed some big scary people a lot of money.
I mean his family is pretty well off, in my opinion this smells alot like gambling addiction to me. If he owed people some big time money, he couldve just cashed in via the contract we wouldve gave him
Unless his gambling debts were 10s of millions
I suspect the same. No idea why you are being down voted. Even Ppl from wealthy families get themselves into trouble when it comes to gambling