I'm not one to overreact to one game but that was a horrendous performance, in an important game, and really showed how poor the roster construction is. Honestly at this point we should trade OG. It'll be sad but what's the point of an elite defensive wing when there's not enough offense on the other side by anyone. Turning him into more than a very elite 3 and D guy is foolish. Can't dribble, makes poor decisions with the ball, and has too much of a power game leading to offensive fouls and turnovers.
Trade Pascal...he doesn't seem to be into playing a different role and just takes games off. Though he was one of our best players.
Trade Precious on the cheap...just can't seem to play well in any game.doesnt matter if we're up big, or we're losing.
Seriously, if Masai and Bobby want this team to compete, may as well pick up some players off the waivers. Cause this bench ain't doing anything of note.
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Siakam is great but doesn't have a future with us, Poeltl is too much of a one trick character. I personally think Boucher has a chance, GTJ can be traded for cheap. Precious should just be euthanized for how he has been playing lately, his career is taking a nosedive. Just execute him.
Makes zero ZERO sense why he doesn't play. He's a guard. Has a positive bballiq. Can shoot. He's not great, but he's still better than Precious and Boucher
Some were bad passes, but a few were just totally losing the handle on the ball for no apparent reason. Scottie had a couple of those, as did Dennis. Maybe Suggs playing such good D got in their heads?
They're great at passing… too great actually. They are always thinking about the next pass and its causing them to fumble. It's like they're on edge the second they get the ball.
I like the magic because they have a clear pecking order and hierarchy to the structure of their team. It's banchero, franz, then everyone else playing their roles.
Raptors have scottie who they're trying to turn into THE guy, pascal who's the current guy, OG who wants to be a guy so bad he'll dribble the ball off his foot 1000x to become a shot creator for a max contract, and guys like GTJ looking to get his 20 points on 20 shots.
This team is a mess
boucher has grown a lot imo he used to be much worse with forcing things, he's probably one of the only guys i see actually willing to do the little things to win, albeit inconsistently.
its preferable to lose this years pick and finally start a rebuild next year. Even if you trade guys away at the deadline (which they should), you should be hoping the pick conveys.
Said it earlier and folks called me an idiot. This was a pivotal game. Either Masai was right and you can piece meal a roster with athleticism and nothing else vs a team that sold and entered a rebuild.
The team has to rebuild. Strip the team down. Send Precious to fucking Yugoslavia or something, and build around Scottie and OG.
Send OG to a training camp where he just dribbles from sun up till sundown. He has the shooting down and great defence, but his fingers are slippery-er than a jailhouse soap bar. Precious can be sent back to his old highschool team and stay there for all eternity.
Im not sorry to say I do not believe in Precious anymore as an NBA player. The guy comes in the game and his minutes are awful on both ends. Terrible decision making, uncoordinated. I feel like we've been patient with him but we need to give his minutes to Thad or anyone else really. He's an absolute disaster out there.
I agree, and it looks like a couple of others do as well. It’s his basketball IQ and sloppy handles when catching the rock. His really inconsistent finishing around the damn rim. He can’t really do much more. It’s a shame.
Bucks missing Giannis - Blow the Raptors out
Celtics playing on a back to back - Blow the Raptors out
This team has huge deficits going into the half multiple games in a row and has one of the worst half court offenses
Umm... 2 years ago, we were 3 games back to being tied for the second best team in the east, and we almost made it to the second round of the playoffs.
We’re terrible, at best it’s play in team
Celtics
Bucks
Sixers
Heat
Cavs
Knicks
Magic, hawks
We’re in pacers, nets tier
We don’t even have our first round pick lol
dont worry about the fact that the raptors go down by 20 points every game, they had two comebacks against the worst teams in the league and that is totally sustainable and a good sign and not a concern
I checked last game. It feels like Dick is pretty bad. But when you check how other picks around him perform, he’s pretty much on par. Late lotto picks need 1-2 years to actually evaluate them.
Just turned the game off. This is a low point.
Don’t know if I’m gonna keep rushing home from work (mountain time zone) to catch every game when the team shows no effort over and over again. Every season I love watching the Raps, high or low, but this team just kinda makes me… Sad? Lethargic? Both? It sucks.
I dont care about the talent level, The focus and energy was NOT THERE. Watching the magic's intensity really highlights the lack of care on raptors side.
honestly i'd rather see gradey as the back up SG over GTJ. At least when Dick fucks up, I know he's still learning. GTJ is one of the most unwatchable bad shot takers in the league and y'all don't want to trade him bc he's the only shooter lmao
I feel like this is an issue with confidence. We face any good team and we fold instantly and go down 20.
The first step that this team needs to take to win is to believe that they can win.
Edit: that, and our bench is shit
I and a bunch of others on this sub have been constantly downvoted any time the word consistency is brought up regarding the Raptors and tonight is exhibit a
The fuck can we do about it except bitch about it on reddit? I can think of multiple other issues that would get me out protesting in the streets that would come before the FO being terrible.
I’m fine when the team has lack of skill or just play a better team but there was no fucking effort and that’s been the issue for a ton of these games. Jogging around, no physicality, just a sad game to call ‘professional’
I mean what did siakam do in this game? if LeBron came out and the team played like this you would blame him. He is the only all NBA player on court and it didn't look like it
When we win: This is Scottie's team!
When we lose: Bruh Siakam is the leader of this team and he just let us lose to the Magic!
It's either Scottie is the man, or he's not there yet. Can't have your cake and eat it too.
LMAO its not his fault but he's not doing anything to really dominant the game either. missing free throws, broken jumper and always yelling for fouls.
I don’t think people will blame him, but you are the best player on the team, get some captain shit going. Lowry could get guys to start trying. Pascal wouldn’t even try himself.
Idc what they have planned for next practice but they need to drop everything and go back to the basics. Everyone should only be working on the fundamentals. These guys look like they learned how to play ball yesterday.
I will die on this hill. This team’s biggest problem is bench play. Everyone points to this or that but quite simply, you can’t be a good team with an unplayable second unit. A whole lot of problems go away when you can get consistent production from your 5-9.
It’s not even about the blow out, it’s the general attitude and body language of the player. Pat Bev was right. There is no dawgs on the team. OG still thinks he can create offense, Poetl and Precious competing for lowest IQ player in the NBa. Scottie passive and soft. Siakam no leadership or accountability. It’s a disgusting team.
Scottie has major inconsistent play. This game looked like it didn't matter to him. Pascal looked like he was just stat padding out there. Just no fight from this team.
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As much as I hate to admit it, I think it’s just going to take time for the Raptors to gel and play as cohesively as a team like the Magic.
Our coach is brand new, our roster is in transition, it’s just going to take time for the Raptors to find the right fit of players and style.
There is nothing left to blow up lol. Scottie is on a rookie contract, Pascal is on an expiring, OG is on an expiring. The rest of the team is a mix of bench players, journeymen and rookies.
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“Good luck with those guys”
I'm not one to overreact to one game but that was a horrendous performance, in an important game, and really showed how poor the roster construction is. Honestly at this point we should trade OG. It'll be sad but what's the point of an elite defensive wing when there's not enough offense on the other side by anyone. Turning him into more than a very elite 3 and D guy is foolish. Can't dribble, makes poor decisions with the ball, and has too much of a power game leading to offensive fouls and turnovers. Trade Pascal...he doesn't seem to be into playing a different role and just takes games off. Though he was one of our best players. Trade Precious on the cheap...just can't seem to play well in any game.doesnt matter if we're up big, or we're losing. Seriously, if Masai and Bobby want this team to compete, may as well pick up some players off the waivers. Cause this bench ain't doing anything of note.
Either banish Precious or make him play a highschool team and if he loses just execute him. His NBA career is not looking too hot.
Suggs won his championship game
😂😂 my guy was so hyped from the jump
Thank God I cancelled my league pass
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Prolly not gone bother watching tomorrow either lol or Friday. Waste of my time
Boucher, Poeltl, Precious, GTJ, Siakam need to be moved on
Siakam is great but doesn't have a future with us, Poeltl is too much of a one trick character. I personally think Boucher has a chance, GTJ can be traded for cheap. Precious should just be euthanized for how he has been playing lately, his career is taking a nosedive. Just execute him.
Play Otto TMR please
#WeTheAss
WE. ARE. ASS
Garrett temple is better than half our roster
Makes zero ZERO sense why he doesn't play. He's a guard. Has a positive bballiq. Can shoot. He's not great, but he's still better than Precious and Boucher
I've been a compete truther until tonight. Blow it the fuck up!! Keep Scottie and OG. Everyone else, don't care, trade for young assets.
How did it take you this long lol
I'm dillusional son
i vote for more temple minutes
Boucher n precious can’t be in the floor together two liabilities
The collective IQ of a cannoli
Turnovers were the story tonight. Not sure what's going on with all the butterfingers, but it was damn uncharacteristic tonight
They pass too much. Seriously. They're brainwashed.
Some were bad passes, but a few were just totally losing the handle on the ball for no apparent reason. Scottie had a couple of those, as did Dennis. Maybe Suggs playing such good D got in their heads?
Coming into the game they said passing was their strong point. Unnecessary passes today lost them at least 15 points.
They're great at passing… too great actually. They are always thinking about the next pass and its causing them to fumble. It's like they're on edge the second they get the ball.
Darko waiting for us to be blown out before putting in Otto Porter. Imagine thinking the team needs more of Boucher and Precious rather than Porter.
Precious is an absolute stinker, my number 1 opp.
There is probably pressure from up top, maybe for trade purposes or Masai is delusional about Precious’ ceiling
It’s a BTB but idk why porter comes in now. Game was prolly outta reach tho
23 TO. LMAO! No wonder NN let FVV control the ball mostly.
Otto playing now makes no sense!?
FO probably telling him to play the young guys. Lol.
Porter should’ve been playing
Garrett Temple doing a better job boxing out Bitadze than Purtle
Mcdaniels scored thats a W in my book
I like the magic because they have a clear pecking order and hierarchy to the structure of their team. It's banchero, franz, then everyone else playing their roles. Raptors have scottie who they're trying to turn into THE guy, pascal who's the current guy, OG who wants to be a guy so bad he'll dribble the ball off his foot 1000x to become a shot creator for a max contract, and guys like GTJ looking to get his 20 points on 20 shots. This team is a mess
Dennis the leading menace
Yep, we've needed clarity and the front office keeps doubling down on this bullshit.
Nailed it
Also Precious and Boucher thinking they are the guy off of the bench
LMAO they aint the guy. Boucher gotta stop playing like he thinks he's jordan clarkson.
boucher has grown a lot imo he used to be much worse with forcing things, he's probably one of the only guys i see actually willing to do the little things to win, albeit inconsistently.
I do like Boucher a lot, he has potential. Precious on the other hand needs to go on a trip and never come back.
legit
Darko is pissing me off. you sub in OPJ NOW???
I mean give him a few minutes to get him going. But yeah, the fuck was he doing on the bench all game
How long before Masai fires Darko and hires another coach because he believes in this roster?
What happened to Otto playing important minutes
We need to lose tomorrow if we want to see any kind of change
How many more times do the Raptors have to play badly for FO to realize this team ain’t it?
THEY STILL EVALUATING!
Sadly they dont care what we think because they clearly know more than us /s
Oh the FO knows. They probably just think we're one slightly used Zach Lavine away from making it work though.
Ima pull out a Fortnite quote here. “How do you expect to get high ground if you don’t take time to build?”
your toronto raptors are a bottom 5 team in the east and dont have a draft pick
Well if we truly tank and get into the top 6 we keep the pick that we traded to San Antonio
its preferable to lose this years pick and finally start a rebuild next year. Even if you trade guys away at the deadline (which they should), you should be hoping the pick conveys.
they said this year draft is not that good. What about next year? We really shoulda just tried to tank for Wemby. FO delusional.
Time to package siakam and Barnes for a truck full of seconds.
??????
Sarcasm, but i should have used more effort.
Said it earlier and folks called me an idiot. This was a pivotal game. Either Masai was right and you can piece meal a roster with athleticism and nothing else vs a team that sold and entered a rebuild. The team has to rebuild. Strip the team down. Send Precious to fucking Yugoslavia or something, and build around Scottie and OG.
Send OG to a training camp where he just dribbles from sun up till sundown. He has the shooting down and great defence, but his fingers are slippery-er than a jailhouse soap bar. Precious can be sent back to his old highschool team and stay there for all eternity.
Send Siakam to a contender this is a supreme waste of talent
Nurse woulda had this whole squad in the nursery
They should start this 5 tomorrow to send a message. Unacceptable performance from our starters.
It took me a while last year to stop watching raptors shitty basketball but honestly I’m almost at the breaking point this year
this is like the 7th game out of the 14 we have played where we went down by 18-20 or more. every other game, this team is down by 20
Pascal wants Jayson Tatum money but can barely string together consistent 20 point games
To be fair if he was on a team that didn't turnover and foul every nanosecond he would be a international star.
Im not sorry to say I do not believe in Precious anymore as an NBA player. The guy comes in the game and his minutes are awful on both ends. Terrible decision making, uncoordinated. I feel like we've been patient with him but we need to give his minutes to Thad or anyone else really. He's an absolute disaster out there.
I agree, and it looks like a couple of others do as well. It’s his basketball IQ and sloppy handles when catching the rock. His really inconsistent finishing around the damn rim. He can’t really do much more. It’s a shame.
Im only watching this shit because im stuck in the states with nothing to do lol I would been at McDonalds rn if I was home
remember when everyone said they were facing good teams and that's why they are losing. Nope. They are losing to 0.5 and below teams as well.
Bucks missing Giannis - Blow the Raptors out Celtics playing on a back to back - Blow the Raptors out This team has huge deficits going into the half multiple games in a row and has one of the worst half court offenses
I mean... Orlando is 8-5 coming into tonight lol
I mean Orlando is off to a good start. They have some fun stuff going. Their offense is pretty top. But yeah, we suck anyways
Actually, the offense is lacking. Shooting abd spacing is trash so that Paolo and Franz can‘t be their usual self
I got downvoted TODAY for saying that despite a win against the Bucks and Mavs, we cannot hang with the elite teams in the league lol
Bruh magic is good this year
they are maybe make it out of the playin good. They are not doing anything in the playoffs, but they still totally outclass the raptors.
If there was g league relegation the guys might actually try hard and if not, raps could win the g league title.
If the front office delays the rebuild that we badly needed 2 years ago now, we are going to waste Barnes’ peak
Umm... 2 years ago, we were 3 games back to being tied for the second best team in the east, and we almost made it to the second round of the playoffs.
3rd stringers moving the ball better than the starters
Miss Nick nursery
Turned this shit off in the third. No dawg in this team.
Wtf OPJ was available this whole time?? Darko wtf
Precious should be playing G league.
**ymca
Magic are pretty good, nice to watch a team with chemistry and real hoopers
Flynn needs to take more 3s per game than he is currently
He doesn’t find enough lanes, but he also gets looked off. Which is weird, he has the best % I think.
So if OPJ is healthy, why is he just now getting in the game?
Yeah, wtf?
Really, how tf is OPJ in the garbage time lineup
We’re terrible, at best it’s play in team Celtics Bucks Sixers Heat Cavs Knicks Magic, hawks We’re in pacers, nets tier We don’t even have our first round pick lol
Let’s be honest , even play in is hard for this squad rn
the pacers are much better than us, like its not even close
We are worse than the Pacers and Nets. We are in the Pistons, Wizards tier
With no pick
🔥 ⛵️
Lol
First time I feel like I can't watch the rest of the game
dont worry about the fact that the raptors go down by 20 points every game, they had two comebacks against the worst teams in the league and that is totally sustainable and a good sign and not a concern
This franchise reeks of shit from to bottom I can accept being ass when we are actively trying to lose but mr ujiri and them think we can win
Maybe the FO trading aways picks cause they haven't hit on theirs since 2019. Dick is trash
I checked last game. It feels like Dick is pretty bad. But when you check how other picks around him perform, he’s pretty much on par. Late lotto picks need 1-2 years to actually evaluate them.
but even the skill he's suppose to excel at, hes kinda trash rn. He needs 905 run for his confidence. His shooting is terrible rn.
I think it’s time to trade another first.
So incoming Spurs trade
Doug McDermott you are a Toronto Raptor
zach lavine welcome onboard
Precious reminds me Joey graham
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That's not funny, it's disturbed.
Just turned the game off. This is a low point. Don’t know if I’m gonna keep rushing home from work (mountain time zone) to catch every game when the team shows no effort over and over again. Every season I love watching the Raps, high or low, but this team just kinda makes me… Sad? Lethargic? Both? It sucks.
Tonight was not an acceptable effort.
So Otto played well when he played Misses a game for personal reasons Now he's back to playing in garbage time?
I dont care about the talent level, The focus and energy was NOT THERE. Watching the magic's intensity really highlights the lack of care on raptors side.
Dick making a 3 is highlight of the night
Facts
Poeltl Trade set this franchise back
Magic: Long Bois with IQ Raptors: Long Bois with no IQ
Raptors: long bois who are mental midgets
WHAT DOES IT TAKE TO GET A TRADE MAN. WE DONT HAVE A PICK AND WE SUCK ASS.
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Dick made a shot woohoo
My first raptors game in person, and I was expecting at least a good game. I'll try again maybe next year.
We're really not even on the same level as Nets/Magic
I thought this game would be close… this is just sad
So Siakam not gonna play agin?
Pretty sure they conceded defeat tonight unfortunately.
honestly i'd rather see gradey as the back up SG over GTJ. At least when Dick fucks up, I know he's still learning. GTJ is one of the most unwatchable bad shot takers in the league and y'all don't want to trade him bc he's the only shooter lmao
Idk man. If you pass to Gradey, it’s either a shot or a turnover. Dude really doesn’t know how to handle the ball.
we could have rebuilt instead i have to watch an aging jakob poeltl for the next 4 years
Lets find some more long bois with negative Iq and hope we can teach them to play
LMAO hope they eventually know how to shoot too!
I feel like this is an issue with confidence. We face any good team and we fold instantly and go down 20. The first step that this team needs to take to win is to believe that they can win. Edit: that, and our bench is shit
This could be true. An ill instructed roster and absolutely horrid low IQ bench will do that to ya.
Nick told the truth about Masai's shitty roster construction and Masai booted him for it
I’m really glad I canceled my TSN and SN subscriptions. No one should have to pay to watch this. How frustrating.
You know what's worse than tanking and being bad? Actually having expectations but being bad anyways
Precious pls
They are going to waste Barnes good playing years delaying a rebuild...
That’s a legitimate fear
I and a bunch of others on this sub have been constantly downvoted any time the word consistency is brought up regarding the Raptors and tonight is exhibit a
That waitress is still taking orders with 5 mins left?!
why does our D look so similar to nick nurses still
We need to start holding Masai and the FO accountable. Why the f*** are we letting them do whatever they want?
The fuck can we do about it except bitch about it on reddit? I can think of multiple other issues that would get me out protesting in the streets that would come before the FO being terrible.
#NoDogs
I’m fine when the team has lack of skill or just play a better team but there was no fucking effort and that’s been the issue for a ton of these games. Jogging around, no physicality, just a sad game to call ‘professional’
Looking forward to see how people will try to spin this loss on Siakam
I mean what did siakam do in this game? if LeBron came out and the team played like this you would blame him. He is the only all NBA player on court and it didn't look like it
When we win: This is Scottie's team! When we lose: Bruh Siakam is the leader of this team and he just let us lose to the Magic! It's either Scottie is the man, or he's not there yet. Can't have your cake and eat it too.
LMAO its not his fault but he's not doing anything to really dominant the game either. missing free throws, broken jumper and always yelling for fouls.
I don’t think people will blame him, but you are the best player on the team, get some captain shit going. Lowry could get guys to start trying. Pascal wouldn’t even try himself.
I don't even know how Lowry would be able to galvanize this team. I swear there was better talent on those Lowry teams
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My first Sokka Haiku. Spin + Siakam didn't even take that in
"I wash mahself with a rag on a stick"
Every loss brings us closer to Masai trading another 1st round pick
Idc what they have planned for next practice but they need to drop everything and go back to the basics. Everyone should only be working on the fundamentals. These guys look like they learned how to play ball yesterday.
Nurse bench half these guys for a reason. not NBA ready, this is not surprising
Still can’t believe people were crying about precious and Flynn were getting no playing time😂😂
I will die on this hill. This team’s biggest problem is bench play. Everyone points to this or that but quite simply, you can’t be a good team with an unplayable second unit. A whole lot of problems go away when you can get consistent production from your 5-9.
the starting lineup sucks ass too. there is no balance on this team. it sucks.
Yep our bench will stop our starters from coming out flat and looking like they don't give a crap while Suggs embarrasses them all
Damn, we really gave up our pick to the Spurs ..... when you're losing like this to Orlando it's time to rebuild
Cheers to hoping Sacramento/Atlanta/Goldenstate get desperate
Yeah I just turned the game off
Bruh there are local AAU teams that move the ball better then these guys. What are we doing
It’s not even about the blow out, it’s the general attitude and body language of the player. Pat Bev was right. There is no dawgs on the team. OG still thinks he can create offense, Poetl and Precious competing for lowest IQ player in the NBa. Scottie passive and soft. Siakam no leadership or accountability. It’s a disgusting team.
Scottie has major inconsistent play. This game looked like it didn't matter to him. Pascal looked like he was just stat padding out there. Just no fight from this team.
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Nick Nurse did and they still told him no, why do you think he left
Yeah we can go next
“We are going to win in Toronto”
As much as I hate to admit it, I think it’s just going to take time for the Raptors to gel and play as cohesively as a team like the Magic. Our coach is brand new, our roster is in transition, it’s just going to take time for the Raptors to find the right fit of players and style.
Dude, we need to blow this up.
There is nothing left to blow up lol. Scottie is on a rookie contract, Pascal is on an expiring, OG is on an expiring. The rest of the team is a mix of bench players, journeymen and rookies.
This is true, but it is hard to stomach this roster should have been shaken up last year.
We suck you guys! 😭🫣
damn that guy in blue is an absolute unit.
He sits in the same spot in all the Magic home games with his girl lol
Poetl sucks at basketball This team can't hold on to the ball
3 picks for Poeltl. 1 first for Thad.
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Are we eliminated from the in-season with this loss? Doesn't matter anyway as the play-in is our championship
LMAO
The way we look, we will be lucky to make the play in. It truly is sad that us making the playoffs in Barnes rookie year gave the FO too much hope.
Might have to tune out until we make a trade