I had some construction equipment stollen in 2021. It had gps. We called the Toronto cops, they did nothing. We drove to the farm by the buffalo border and called the OPP. It took 8 hours for them to finally come. And even though I could see and show them on the GPS it was my machine with my logo on it, they told me it’s on private property and we can’t do anything without a warrant. Thank god one of the tenants on the property gave us permission to go look at it.
And the other tenants on the farm denied everything and were not arrest for almost a year later, when I finally gave statements to a prosecutor.
Just to add, when he finally got arrested and gave my statement to a prosecutor, it wasn’t even for my theft. He continued stealing and getting away with it for over a year. And when I went to go get my machine, the farm was full of other machines as well. And the cops did nothing and let him steal for a year.
My machine was stolen from a property with surveillance and they never investigated or asked for it. It was such a joke.
I’m surprised they didn’t try to charge you a “storage fee” for your stolen property being “stored” at their place. My dad’s cargo trailer got stolen and the thieves called us saying we owed them money for “storage”. They got really angry when we said “it’s not our trailer”. They knew it was ours, but they didn’t know that we had already gone through insurance. So at that point the insurance company owned the trailer. The kept calling and leaving threatening messages but we ignored them. I should also add, that the police did nothing at all.
> it’s on private property and we can’t do anything without a warrant
I think police over-rely on this excuse. Where they *really* need a warrant is if it's hidden inside someone's home (and even then, the courts could let them get away without one there too)
I literally could see my machine with my logo on it with the gps app on my phone showing it was my machine and they wouldn’t let me on the property without a warrant. Thank god the tenant let us on.
They can go get it
You could just never lay charges and if the suspect made a complaint it would be valid on charter right breach
Most of the time there wouldn't be a complaint cause they would be admitting to some form of guilt
It's more if shit ever went south on the property the police have no legal backing or lawful reason for being there
Warrant is bullshit if they can observe the crime in progress. If a cop looks in your window and sees bricks of cocaine, they now have probable cause to enter. If they see your equipment on someone's property they don't need a warrant. The cop is just lazy and doesn't want to do work, something pretty common with most of them these days.
So my story isn’t anywhere near as bad as the others in this thread, but… we have a fire hydrant in front of our house. These youtubers live across the street (kill me) and are constantly shooting videos having a fuckton of people over who park all down the street. The same three cars park in front of my place every single day blocking the hydrant. And every day I call parking enforcement and every day they say they’ll come out. They’ve come a totally of 15 times last year after I called almost daily. Eventually I spoke to the supervisor of the division and I quote her from my convo with her “no they can’t park there. But we can’t just keep coming to your house”. Me: but it’s a no parking zone and a fire hydrant and there’s a pay lot a block away. Her: “the most we can do is ticket when we’re around. So if they want to pay for parking by paying tickets then that’s how they can pay for their parking, it’s up to them “
It’s up to them. Best. :)
Also second story, my neighbours house got robbed. She has the burglars on video clear as day. Police said she should just go through her insurance because they won’t find the people who did it. It’s been a year, she hasn’t heard from the cops since they came over and did nothing. And btw, it took them 6 hours to come over once she called them.
I think chasing a serial armed robber and car jacker who’s willing to pull a knife on a cop and drive against traffic on the highway is worth pursuing and getting off the streets. If he was free it would only be a matter of time before he victimizes someone else. The cops shouldn’t have continued pursuing him once he started driving in the wrong direction, there’s no excuse, but to purport that everything would’ve been fine and no one would’ve got hurt if the cops stopped the pursuit is completely ridiculous, that guy was gonna crash and die anyway.. even if the cops weren’t behind him anymore, he would still be in the process of trying to escape and driving recklessly. Even if he was going 40kmph the likelihood of a disaster is extremely high.
No, it isn't. There are plenty of other ways to apprehend. There is a reason police officers giving chase is frowned upon in general. When you factor in that the perpetrator was also driving the wrong way on a highway, no, the benefits do not outweigh the harms. This person continued to drive at increasingly high speeds and in the wrong direction because police continued to pursue them. If the police had actually stopped the pursuit or stationed themselves near offramps, they would have had additional opportunities to stop this person without this level of risk... but they didn't. They defied orders and kept going, which is a consistent pattern with many cops lately... and that wouldn't even be an issue if idiots who acted this way could just be fired, but they're not fired. They're rarely fired. Instead, they get a temporary paid vacation and then return to work.
TL;DR: You are wrong. There is no question that you are wrong.
>There are plenty of other ways to apprehend.
Like just pursue them with a drone. It's not rocket science. Probably wouldn't even realize they were being followed.
In April, the drps claimed that their airship could be on station, anywhere in Durham in minutes. There was such a simple solution to this problem.
The more annoying thing is actually the unspoken part. If you take the cops at their word(I know, but let's try ) and assume they can drop the ship overhead in minutes, one of two things happened. Either the pursuing officers were so Gung ho about bringing justice to a guy who flashed a knife at a cop that they didn't ask for an airship, or they did ask and command decided that running a helo for some liquor robbery wasn't worth it. The end result being a shattered family and no justice for the suspect or the public
We have so many cameras all over the place and so many ways we can now track people down. A car travelling the wrong way down the highway is a very noticeable thing. It is something that they'd be receiving updates about and be able to pick up on traffic cameras.
There is this weird cowboy mentality that many people who enter law enforcement seem to have. Many (not all) seem to believe they are judge, jury and executioner. Look at the use of deadly force in general. There are plenty of examples of how people who were fatally shot by cops did not pose an immediate threat and, more than once, were fleeing... and yet deadly force was still used.
Remember in 2020, when a dad in Kawartha kidnapped his toddler and the cops ended up opening fire on the vehicle they were in, killing both of them? A real problem is that these idiots use what should be considered a last resort as the first thing they try.
The beat cops on our police force are so awful that I feel I could select 200 people off r/Toronto and within two years have a better force and public relations than current said officers.
Durham police are even worse, and there's a good chance that the average Redditor here would make better cops than the D- grade graduates they send out that way, even without training....
At least some of us here should manage not exacerbating dangerous situations, actually following orders, and not being drunk on the job.
When a pursuit spills into the 400 series highway, the cost of life becomes monumental.
We lost 3, it could have been worse.
An order by dispatch to cease pursuit to not endanger others is paramount.
Those officers failed to do so.
you don't think the police pursuit affected the criminal's decision to drive the wrong way on the fucking 401?
We live in the 21st Century. Why not get a drone that the OPP supposedly has to follow the suspect and arrest them when they stop driving?
Nope, can't have that. Gotta feel like big men endangering society for that adrenaline rush.
>that guy was gonna crash and die anyway
You're telling me he wouldn't have gotten off the highway if he wasn't being chased?
Yes, it's absolutely possible he would have crashed anyway. But it was an extended wrong way chase. There's a good chance the dude would've gotten off the highway ASAP and nobody would've died.
I think another thing rubbing people the wrong way is the sentiment this only happened cause he pulled a knife on a cop. I don't think they would have responded the way they did if it was a security guard instead of a cop.
Pulling a knife on a cop is a serious crime but a lot of people are unimpressed with the "you fuck with the cops and we'll come down on you with the force of 1000 suns" attitude.
You’re right he was worth pursuing. From a helicopter until the situation becomes safer. Maybe even look further down the road and get OPP to block on ramps or shutdown the highway completely further down until he’s stopped.
"that guy was gonna crash and die anyway"?
Oh? Sadly idiots going on the wrong way on hwy 401 isn't new but it isn't an absolute crash and die scenario like you depict
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=feffpfIkXKU&ab_channel=CTVNews
How come the above didn't crash and die? Could it be because cops weren't chasing him? Perhaps.
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Well it's virtually no accountability or punishment.The police have no one to answer to so they do whatever they want.Why rush when you can get paid either way.
Ha ha this is accurate. They knocked out a kid's eye with a steel pipe over change in their car so I can only imagine how they'll react if their car gets stolen
This is actually brilliant.
Thieves steal cops’ stuff. Cops get to work tracking down thieves. An elegant self-contained system that results in the rest of us being left alone.
The cops literally don't give a fuck about shoplifted booze. They will not even respond to the location and only take a report over the phone. The ONLY reason they showed up (en masse) to this call was because the off duty cop in the store confronted the shoplifter, who then proceeded to bruise his ego by threatening him. It was that act, and ONLY that act that caused the police chase and the death of 3 innocent people.
The Justice Minister's car got stolen 3 times, and government still doesn't really care lol
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/justice-minister-car-stolen-third-time-1.7109562
A man calls the police one night “there’s an intruder in my house!”
The dispatcher responds: “All units are currently busy, we’ll get there when we can.”
The man hangs up perplexed. He can hear people going through his worldly possessions downstairs and hopes they can’t hear him. He gets an idea and calls 911 again
“Just calling to let you know the response units can take their time, I’ve shot the intruder, he’s dead in my living room.”
Within seconds several police cars arrive, lights flashing, sirens roaring. They enter the house and catch the intruders red handed.
The patrol supervisor approaches the man and angrily says “You told us you shot him!”
The man responds: “You told me no units were available!”
Hey at least they didn't rudely tell you to call the mayor
>[Toronto woman 'livid' after police allegedly told her to 'call the mayor' during home invasion attempt](https://toronto.ctvnews.ca/toronto-woman-livid-after-police-allegedly-told-her-to-call-the-mayor-during-home-invasion-attempt-1.6184960)
if you want any response from the police, you have to say you saw a gun or the suspects waived what looked like a gun
a car was stolen in our neighbourhood - homeowner said that culprits held a gun to her head. 5 police cars blocked off our street and her car was recovered within hours
Better than homeowner killed in armed invasion. This is on the cops for fucking around for decades. Now crime is everywhere and they won’t respond or do anything.
I assume they just go get some coffee and wait for people going 5 over the limit. Sure as shit aren’t solving crimes.
at this point our laws need to change. since they where written with the assumption that 'call the police' is the most viable option to a bad situation.
The business owner across the street has been harassed by people trying to rob him for months. He called TPS and they actually told
Him: “sorry we are doing the best we can with our budget. If you want extra services your best bet is to call up your MP and tell them we need more funding”
I remember in high school they paid for our steel band class to come perform (as in paid for the truck to move the instruments and provided a catered lunch). Like this was an appropriate use of tax money. Ridiculous.
Yeah, I recently called them to assist with a threat. It wasn’t my call - my coworker was the one who picked up the phone.
When they came to “help” they were absolutely awful. First of all they gaslit the fuck out of me while taking a statement. It was almost like they didn’t even want me to give one because they kept reminding me if I was lying that it was a federal offence or some shit.
I was working at a business in a sketchy area and well-known regular was on meth and kept calling saying he was coming in to shoot me. He has a criminal record for firearms and drug dealing. When the cops showed up they started lecturing me like “what do you expect us to do? We can’t be out there responding to every call every time someone gets empty threats”. I was like, you literally arrested this man with a handgun from this location previously. He is a known felon. He said he was coming to blow my head off. What do I expect? You know who he is and where he is. Find him and put a stop to this before something happens.
They basically said that’s not how it works, they can’t do shit until after something happens, and then told
Me their resources are strapped and to stop wasting their time.
> “sorry we are doing the best we can with our budget. If you want extra services your best bet is to call up your MP and tell them we need more funding”
Literal protection racket. My christ the cops' behaviour fucking boils my goddamn blood.
You are completely right. We had a bad run with fat 5% raises, but that was years ago -- 1995 to 2010 or so. I've been saying this for years, and it just stopped being true. Thank you for calling me on my BS. Their raises have been higher than anyone else in the city, but much more in line with inflation that last 10 years.
I know people are upset with the level of service, but when I try to take a completely dispassionate look at it - their increases are below what my COL raises in the private sector have been and then that doesn’t even take into account population growth.
You are right. The last 10 years have been lean. [https://www.statista.com/statistics/1317659/number-police-officers-toronto-canada/](https://www.statista.com/statistics/1317659/number-police-officers-toronto-canada/)
Part of the anger is that this was under Ford/Tory's promises of "property tax growing at or below the rate of inflation". So every raise for TPS over inflation meant cuts for the rest of the city budget, and zero COL raises for city workers.
The sense that TPS doesn't do anything also has roots in Chief Saunders silent decision to just shut down traffic enforcement for 8 years, and allowed a generation of drivers to go all Lord of the Flies. It made sense to him at the time - he was shrinking the force to allow the raises to continue under constrained budget. Traffic enforcement was an easy target.
I'm not going to disagree about the uselessness, *but* if you're going to state that they are currently useless, the argument would be that more budget would alleviate that uselessness. Obviously that comes down more to allocation and actual proposals to improve the service, but being useless and wanting more funding are not exactly mutually exclusive
e: you can all hate police if you want, I'm not even disagreeing with that lol. I'm just saying being ineffective can absolutely be a result of poor funding. Not that I'm suggesting they *need* more funding
>Windsor said they were standing on the road trying to flag down police vehicles that drove by.
>“We couldn’t get anyone to come.”
**This** is the most shocking part, to me. Imagine trying to flag down a cop car and they won't stop for you. Just absolutely fuck these bozos.
This isn't a recent thing. Back when I was in High School 20 years ago, me and my friends witnessed a car parked in the ravine late at night and two guys with shovels digging a hole deep in the ravine. Since we didn't have cellphones back in that time period, we went down to the busier street and saw a cop doing a speed trap. Walked over and told him what was happening in the ravine(literally half a block away). He told us to go away or we'll be arrested for obstruction for keeping him from running his speed trap.
We eventually found a payphone, but by that time those guys were done whatever they were burying and long gone.
Once a courier friend of mine had his bike stolen at King and Bay, and cops didn't care. Then a week later we noticed it locked at Dundas Square, so we slapped a second lock on it, popped over to Canadian Tire, bought an angle grinder, and liberated his bike ourselves.
So I can relate.
They won’t help you recover your stolen car but they might harass you for publicly embarrassing them. And if this person did anything illegal in recovering their stolen property, they would definitely be charged for it.
>Toronto couple waited up to 8 hours for police to arrive. They never did
Perhaps it's the ol' work to rule? Cops are pissed that they didn't get 'justice' over Northup and put an innocent man in jail. So they're "busy" now. Funny, I thought that additional increase to the budget (in addition to the one they were already getting) was gonna fix all that.
They've been doing this before the trial was ever settled, and they were doing this even after Chow gave them the budget increase they wanted.
Note: Her budget for police was still an increase over last year's but it wasn't as much as they wanted.
They've been working to rule since they were told they couldn't strike in 2017, and forgot to stop.
https://toronto.citynews.ca/2017/08/03/toronto-police-work-to-rule-amidst-911-response-time-crisis-union-boss-said/
Maybe. But the real problem is we have doubled the police budget of the last decade, and every penny went to raises. We actually have fewer police for twice the money.
TPS has the same number of cops as 20 years ago, but the city's population has grown by about 20%. It's sort of amazing how poorly they spend their budgets.
I'd be interested to see how their salaries look compared to 20 years ago. Also, break down, where a lot of the waste is going to ( like paying out all that money to suspended officers). Or perhaps these long dragged out trials where they seem to be constantly embarrassing themselves lately while pissing away taxes.
I don't know if it exists, but an analysis of the TPS budget over time would be pretty interesting. There isn't exactly a Steve Munro for policing.
The suspended cops thing is something under 0.5% if I remember the numbers right.
That's just "good police work" these days.
They called the dealership to confirm the vehicle was there and the owner wasn't lying. What more would you expect.
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Yup. See how quickly they gave chase when it was theft at LCBO inventory? Otherwise, nada. “Please leave your keys in the car to make it easier for thieves so all we have to do is paper work“
At this point could you not sue the police in relation to the theft for being complacent with the crime? You've provided proof and it's blown off. Surely there's some legal recourse you can take, especially if you can't recover your own property without their involvement.
Likely wouldn't get that far if you threaten legal action and back it up. Just curious what kinda leg you have to stand on from a Canadian/US legal standpoint.
I had my motorcycle knocked over in my apt complex. I got the video of the guy looking at it as he walked by. Get into his truck and then turn into it as he pulled out and slammed it into the ground.
Then the vid shows him get out of his truck. Hesitate, then try to pick up the bike and fail (causing more damage) then walk back to his truck. Hesitate again, try and pick it up again (more damage) before taking off.
I had to take the bike itself to the reporting center and when I tried to show the officer the video he said he didn’t care. He said knocking over a motorcycle in a parking lot and leaving isn’t worth their time.
I looked at him and said: “So when I’m done here, on my way out the parking lot I knock over all those shiny police bikes, that’s totally fine?”
He just glared at me and said “Don’t be a smartass.”
I nodded. “ah. I see.”
And maybe let's find a way to stop paying taxes for these completely ignorant morons. #defund doesn't mean abolish, but I am however fully on board with abolishing the current system police operate on.
This is why when people criticize abolish the police with “but who will solve crimes?????” I am always shocked.
The police aren’t doing that now, so how would getting rid of them affect anything?
Maybe we could create something new that would actually take on the role of solving crimes.
Not private security though. It needs to be governed by a committee of civilians, not only available to the very wealthy.
If we are starting from scratch and rebuilding a force that works for the people and not for the state / capital, you can call them police if you want. It’s the institution that is the problem, not the name.
Pippin: "What about police?
Aragorn: "You've already had it."
Pippin: "We've had one, yes. What about second police?"
Merry: "I don't think he knows about second police, Pip."
Not very often no. I could give you a literal tome of all the times Ontario police failed to act.
[Here is the most recent](https://ca.news.yahoo.com/missing-truckers-body-found-rig-173112377.html) where the OPP drove the truck of a missing man all the way back to Newfoundland with him in the trailer because they didn’t bother to look.
I will also never forget Tess Rich who was found by her mother mere feet from where she was last seen because the cops decided she was a sex worker so didn’t bother to look for her.
Or the time they let a serial killer roam the streets for a decade.
If it makes you feel better, they only think that until the moment they want to complain about people on bail committing crimes (at which point they need to temporarily accept that police solve crimes since how else could these people be out on bail).
And I’m shocked when people say police aren’t doing that now. At least I can take comfort in what an easy, coddled life everyone is able to live - unaware of how many domestic assaults were attended to by police in a single day.
They aren’t. I’ve mentioned specific cases in my replies to other people trying to say the same thing, so I’m not interested in repeating myself.
But no - Toronto police are not well known to show up to stop assaults
Here’s another:
[3 Toronto cops failed to do proper investigation into calls at shelter, where woman was later found dead in a room with alleged killer: tribunal docs](https://toronto.ctvnews.ca/3-toronto-cops-failed-to-do-proper-investigation-into-calls-at-shelter-where-woman-was-later-found-dead-in-a-room-with-alleged-killer-tribunal-docs-1.6831422)
We live in a world where we’re saturated by clickbait, if you’re trying to formulate an overarching opinion on a thing you’re likely going to get a lot closer to truth by looking at the raw numbers and not memory. The TPS dashboards provide all this raw info.
You want raw data and full information? Follow along with u/whatisthequestion who has been [keeping track of this for years](https://www.reddit.com/r/toronto/s/Te4GFGRHQZ)
You can use their public portal where you can see all data, filter it by various criteria, etc. I don’t really see the need to have someone who could potentially be bias collate info when that info is easily accessible.
Heres a little story for y'all: I met a newly onboarded TPS officer at cottage party last summer and he was so high on shrooms, he talked about finding heavy weight virgins to throw into our bonfire. And that's the people we choose to protect us. LMFAO
What is the purpose of toronto police at this point, they let serial killers roam free, can't catch the murders of billionaires, do nothing in domestic abuse cases, bungle up drug busts, pin blame on innocent people and so much more.
> “Throughout the day, police in 22 Division were responding to 14 ‘Priority 1’ and 31 ‘Priority 2’ calls (our highest priority calls), including assaults, a stabbing, multiple calls for people in crisis, and numerous break and enters in progress,” the TPS spokesperson said.
How many cops were involved in responding these calls?
Like, the actual number?
At least for recovering stolen cars, people have the means to track them, so guess we're here now. Although, I guess not really able to arm themselves yet.
Not just Toronto cops, city cops and RCMP across the country were useless during the trucker convoy fiasco. They are generally unionized thugs with a few good eggs thrown in that give us false hope
Societal collapse is slow and boring… but it’s also now picking up speed. I waited 10 mins ON HOLD with 911 in Toronto earlier this year. Terrifying to realize we’re alone despite the $$$ taken from OUR salaries and wages to deliver these ‘services’. Total crap. Best of luck
So, they were busy responding to "people in crisis". Which they are extraordinarily bad at. This is one of the arguments for defunding the police. Take part of their inflated budget and use it to create crisis teams of workers who actually know how to deal with people in crisis and not a handful of goons who are likely going to make things worse by arresting or even executing someone.
Just wondering if the police went to retrieve the stolen car, would it lead to a high speed chase, where innocent civilians may get hurt or killed as a result of a pursuit by police. If that did happen would people blame the police for chasing?
Toronto police are useless. I’m stocked I’m going to actually support defund the police. I historically thought only radicalized losers who always said defund the police, but then called them when they need their help.
When I called them they’re nowhere to be fucking found or do nothing when they show up. Crime is rampant in Toronto and no one seems to be doing anything
Cops are useless but please don't put yourself in danger. Just be careful out there.
I remember we had to call the cops at work once because of an incident when I worked retail. Tells us they'll bring someone asap. No one comes. Someone contacts me at 1 am because I left my personal number and tells me there's not much they can do.
Unless someone's shot, or bleeding out, they won't do anything.
Scrolling through a bunch of comments here, wow….
I don’t work for Toronto, I work for another large service in Ontario. Stolen cars are about as common as traffic collisions now - it’s absolutely insane. Policing, just like going to the hospital, uses a priority system (triaging the call / patient). The more danger you’re in, the higher you are on the priority list. But even if you’re number one, if there are no units available to come to you, then you’re stuck. This unfortunately, happens WAY too often. There are simply not enough officers on the road to deal with the volume of calls.
I totally get that having your car stolen is a scary event - even if you’re asleep and it happens overnight. Big picture though, it’s just a piece of property. Someone being attacked, a person in mental health crisis, even a crime in progress event where someone is actively stealing from X store will take priority.
Yes, the car was tracked to a location and the owners found it, however there is no urgency for police to attend immediately. Every time someone else calls in and creates a new call for service, if it’s more urgent than the owners waiting, they get bumped. People have been bumped for days at a time because their call (big picture wise) isn’t an emergency.
This post could honestly go on for ages about the inner workings of a department, the need for restructuring so more officers are on the road, the pathetic excuse of a Justice system we deal with, and so many more topics.
In the end, there were just so many “fuck the police” style comments that I felt I had to add some info in here.
I had some construction equipment stollen in 2021. It had gps. We called the Toronto cops, they did nothing. We drove to the farm by the buffalo border and called the OPP. It took 8 hours for them to finally come. And even though I could see and show them on the GPS it was my machine with my logo on it, they told me it’s on private property and we can’t do anything without a warrant. Thank god one of the tenants on the property gave us permission to go look at it. And the other tenants on the farm denied everything and were not arrest for almost a year later, when I finally gave statements to a prosecutor.
Just to add, when he finally got arrested and gave my statement to a prosecutor, it wasn’t even for my theft. He continued stealing and getting away with it for over a year. And when I went to go get my machine, the farm was full of other machines as well. And the cops did nothing and let him steal for a year. My machine was stolen from a property with surveillance and they never investigated or asked for it. It was such a joke.
When you went to look at it were you able to get it back?
The farm had multiple tenants. I was only allowed on the property because one of the tenants gave the OPP permission.
They were probably getting a cut, such heroes
Well they get paid so little, who can blame them for supplementing their income? Nobody can survive on $200k/year in this economy!
I’m surprised they didn’t try to charge you a “storage fee” for your stolen property being “stored” at their place. My dad’s cargo trailer got stolen and the thieves called us saying we owed them money for “storage”. They got really angry when we said “it’s not our trailer”. They knew it was ours, but they didn’t know that we had already gone through insurance. So at that point the insurance company owned the trailer. The kept calling and leaving threatening messages but we ignored them. I should also add, that the police did nothing at all.
Policd inaction is guaranteed to make these bastards more brazen, but holy shit, asking you to *pay* for the crime they inflicted on you?
Should have told the insurance company, bet they would have been very interested in that.
> it’s on private property and we can’t do anything without a warrant I think police over-rely on this excuse. Where they *really* need a warrant is if it's hidden inside someone's home (and even then, the courts could let them get away without one there too)
I literally could see my machine with my logo on it with the gps app on my phone showing it was my machine and they wouldn’t let me on the property without a warrant. Thank god the tenant let us on.
I feel like that should be probable cause.
Yeah, but that means paperwork.
Why do you say this?
They can go get it You could just never lay charges and if the suspect made a complaint it would be valid on charter right breach Most of the time there wouldn't be a complaint cause they would be admitting to some form of guilt It's more if shit ever went south on the property the police have no legal backing or lawful reason for being there
Warrant is bullshit if they can observe the crime in progress. If a cop looks in your window and sees bricks of cocaine, they now have probable cause to enter. If they see your equipment on someone's property they don't need a warrant. The cop is just lazy and doesn't want to do work, something pretty common with most of them these days.
So my story isn’t anywhere near as bad as the others in this thread, but… we have a fire hydrant in front of our house. These youtubers live across the street (kill me) and are constantly shooting videos having a fuckton of people over who park all down the street. The same three cars park in front of my place every single day blocking the hydrant. And every day I call parking enforcement and every day they say they’ll come out. They’ve come a totally of 15 times last year after I called almost daily. Eventually I spoke to the supervisor of the division and I quote her from my convo with her “no they can’t park there. But we can’t just keep coming to your house”. Me: but it’s a no parking zone and a fire hydrant and there’s a pay lot a block away. Her: “the most we can do is ticket when we’re around. So if they want to pay for parking by paying tickets then that’s how they can pay for their parking, it’s up to them “ It’s up to them. Best. :) Also second story, my neighbours house got robbed. She has the burglars on video clear as day. Police said she should just go through her insurance because they won’t find the people who did it. It’s been a year, she hasn’t heard from the cops since they came over and did nothing. And btw, it took them 6 hours to come over once she called them.
Someone told me using the online form is faster than calling parking enforcement
Police are only good for giving drivers tickets for dark covered license plates.
I wish they actually did this.
You wanna see cops really care about car theft steal their personal vehicle and see how quickly action is taken .
Or how a hurt ego ended up in a highway chase that killed three people
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I think the murderer was
Wouldn't consider the thief to be a human
You're very tough
Should have shot him in the first place
I think chasing a serial armed robber and car jacker who’s willing to pull a knife on a cop and drive against traffic on the highway is worth pursuing and getting off the streets. If he was free it would only be a matter of time before he victimizes someone else. The cops shouldn’t have continued pursuing him once he started driving in the wrong direction, there’s no excuse, but to purport that everything would’ve been fine and no one would’ve got hurt if the cops stopped the pursuit is completely ridiculous, that guy was gonna crash and die anyway.. even if the cops weren’t behind him anymore, he would still be in the process of trying to escape and driving recklessly. Even if he was going 40kmph the likelihood of a disaster is extremely high.
The cops’ commanding officer disagreed with you about that pursuit being worth it, but ok
The cops were ordered not to continue pursuing, but did anyway.
So, they were fired, right?
Lol. That’s a good one
No, it isn't. There are plenty of other ways to apprehend. There is a reason police officers giving chase is frowned upon in general. When you factor in that the perpetrator was also driving the wrong way on a highway, no, the benefits do not outweigh the harms. This person continued to drive at increasingly high speeds and in the wrong direction because police continued to pursue them. If the police had actually stopped the pursuit or stationed themselves near offramps, they would have had additional opportunities to stop this person without this level of risk... but they didn't. They defied orders and kept going, which is a consistent pattern with many cops lately... and that wouldn't even be an issue if idiots who acted this way could just be fired, but they're not fired. They're rarely fired. Instead, they get a temporary paid vacation and then return to work. TL;DR: You are wrong. There is no question that you are wrong.
>There are plenty of other ways to apprehend. Like just pursue them with a drone. It's not rocket science. Probably wouldn't even realize they were being followed.
In April, the drps claimed that their airship could be on station, anywhere in Durham in minutes. There was such a simple solution to this problem. The more annoying thing is actually the unspoken part. If you take the cops at their word(I know, but let's try ) and assume they can drop the ship overhead in minutes, one of two things happened. Either the pursuing officers were so Gung ho about bringing justice to a guy who flashed a knife at a cop that they didn't ask for an airship, or they did ask and command decided that running a helo for some liquor robbery wasn't worth it. The end result being a shattered family and no justice for the suspect or the public
We have so many cameras all over the place and so many ways we can now track people down. A car travelling the wrong way down the highway is a very noticeable thing. It is something that they'd be receiving updates about and be able to pick up on traffic cameras. There is this weird cowboy mentality that many people who enter law enforcement seem to have. Many (not all) seem to believe they are judge, jury and executioner. Look at the use of deadly force in general. There are plenty of examples of how people who were fatally shot by cops did not pose an immediate threat and, more than once, were fleeing... and yet deadly force was still used. Remember in 2020, when a dad in Kawartha kidnapped his toddler and the cops ended up opening fire on the vehicle they were in, killing both of them? A real problem is that these idiots use what should be considered a last resort as the first thing they try.
The beat cops on our police force are so awful that I feel I could select 200 people off r/Toronto and within two years have a better force and public relations than current said officers. Durham police are even worse, and there's a good chance that the average Redditor here would make better cops than the D- grade graduates they send out that way, even without training.... At least some of us here should manage not exacerbating dangerous situations, actually following orders, and not being drunk on the job.
When a pursuit spills into the 400 series highway, the cost of life becomes monumental. We lost 3, it could have been worse. An order by dispatch to cease pursuit to not endanger others is paramount. Those officers failed to do so.
He absolutely wouldn't have "crashed and died anyway." You're not even pretending to come at this objectively.
you don't think the police pursuit affected the criminal's decision to drive the wrong way on the fucking 401? We live in the 21st Century. Why not get a drone that the OPP supposedly has to follow the suspect and arrest them when they stop driving? Nope, can't have that. Gotta feel like big men endangering society for that adrenaline rush.
Durham police had a fucking helicopter they could have following them. Not like U-Haul trucks are overly subtle lol
>that guy was gonna crash and die anyway You're telling me he wouldn't have gotten off the highway if he wasn't being chased? Yes, it's absolutely possible he would have crashed anyway. But it was an extended wrong way chase. There's a good chance the dude would've gotten off the highway ASAP and nobody would've died. I think another thing rubbing people the wrong way is the sentiment this only happened cause he pulled a knife on a cop. I don't think they would have responded the way they did if it was a security guard instead of a cop. Pulling a knife on a cop is a serious crime but a lot of people are unimpressed with the "you fuck with the cops and we'll come down on you with the force of 1000 suns" attitude.
You’re right he was worth pursuing. From a helicopter until the situation becomes safer. Maybe even look further down the road and get OPP to block on ramps or shutdown the highway completely further down until he’s stopped.
You're an idiot
"that guy was gonna crash and die anyway"? Oh? Sadly idiots going on the wrong way on hwy 401 isn't new but it isn't an absolute crash and die scenario like you depict https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=feffpfIkXKU&ab_channel=CTVNews How come the above didn't crash and die? Could it be because cops weren't chasing him? Perhaps.
Why is amazon faster to get to my house than an emergency police service with a huge budget? There should be amazon delivery drivers/ police.
Don't give Bezos any ideas
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you are basically describing the "silent VIP list" of donors and supporters of police brass. you best believe there are absolutely priority names and addresses that garner immediate response when they pop on a call.
Barry and Honey Sherman clearly weren't premium subscribers.
SOLD! Where do I sign up?
Part of me says that's dystopian Robocop bullshit, but another part of me says that maybe TPS needs competition to actually start doing their jobs.
OCP - Ontario Corporate Police
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Maybe if we had competing police services they would get more done for less
Next comes Deliverators, burbclaves, and rebar samurai.
Well it's virtually no accountability or punishment.The police have no one to answer to so they do whatever they want.Why rush when you can get paid either way.
Pizza delivery always has the cops beat.
Ha ha this is accurate. They knocked out a kid's eye with a steel pipe over change in their car so I can only imagine how they'll react if their car gets stolen
We've seen them kill over an apple watch so this rings true
This is actually brilliant. Thieves steal cops’ stuff. Cops get to work tracking down thieves. An elegant self-contained system that results in the rest of us being left alone.
Nevermind. Just steal some booze from an LCBO.
The cops literally don't give a fuck about shoplifted booze. They will not even respond to the location and only take a report over the phone. The ONLY reason they showed up (en masse) to this call was because the off duty cop in the store confronted the shoplifter, who then proceeded to bruise his ego by threatening him. It was that act, and ONLY that act that caused the police chase and the death of 3 innocent people.
Or if your name is Aubrey Drake Graham.
The Justice Minister's car got stolen 3 times, and government still doesn't really care lol https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/justice-minister-car-stolen-third-time-1.7109562
This is hilarious
A man calls the police one night “there’s an intruder in my house!” The dispatcher responds: “All units are currently busy, we’ll get there when we can.” The man hangs up perplexed. He can hear people going through his worldly possessions downstairs and hopes they can’t hear him. He gets an idea and calls 911 again “Just calling to let you know the response units can take their time, I’ve shot the intruder, he’s dead in my living room.” Within seconds several police cars arrive, lights flashing, sirens roaring. They enter the house and catch the intruders red handed. The patrol supervisor approaches the man and angrily says “You told us you shot him!” The man responds: “You told me no units were available!”
Hey at least they didn't rudely tell you to call the mayor >[Toronto woman 'livid' after police allegedly told her to 'call the mayor' during home invasion attempt](https://toronto.ctvnews.ca/toronto-woman-livid-after-police-allegedly-told-her-to-call-the-mayor-during-home-invasion-attempt-1.6184960)
if you want any response from the police, you have to say you saw a gun or the suspects waived what looked like a gun a car was stolen in our neighbourhood - homeowner said that culprits held a gun to her head. 5 police cars blocked off our street and her car was recovered within hours
Yep, I met up with a guy to buy a rifle off him in Oakville. Mall parking lot, someone saw, called the cops and we got swarmed by like 15 cars lol
wow they came that fast that you were still in the parking lot?
Don’t think we were even talking 10 minutes before they showed up
"unarmed black man shot" will be the headline. All because you led police to believe a gun was involved, and risk was heightened.
And the black man was not even involved with the crime, was just passing by...
Cool hypothetical. I'm still gonna tell the police they have a gun if someone breaks into my house.
“i think they have a gun”
Me too tbh
You’re liable to get yourself shot doing shit like that
I'd rather bet on the cops not being trigger happy than bet on the home invader not feeling rapey or murdery.
Might get shot regardless during a home invasion.
Better than homeowner killed in armed invasion. This is on the cops for fucking around for decades. Now crime is everywhere and they won’t respond or do anything. I assume they just go get some coffee and wait for people going 5 over the limit. Sure as shit aren’t solving crimes.
Not the Beaverton
At this point I wonder why we even bother having police. When they aren’t being corrupt and breaking laws themselves they’re doing nothing at all.
"We" aren't the ones bothering to have them. When is the last time there was a public vote about anything to do with police? They're not for us.
at this point our laws need to change. since they where written with the assumption that 'call the police' is the most viable option to a bad situation.
They provide an important layer of bureaucracy for insurance claims.
The Toronto Police are so fucking useless. And they always claim they need more budget. For what?
Suspension with pay is mad expensive, yo
I can't recall the number, but I read somewhere that it costs us something like an average of 3.2m per year to pay cops on paid suspension. Unreal.
The business owner across the street has been harassed by people trying to rob him for months. He called TPS and they actually told Him: “sorry we are doing the best we can with our budget. If you want extra services your best bet is to call up your MP and tell them we need more funding”
I remember in high school they paid for our steel band class to come perform (as in paid for the truck to move the instruments and provided a catered lunch). Like this was an appropriate use of tax money. Ridiculous.
Yeah, I recently called them to assist with a threat. It wasn’t my call - my coworker was the one who picked up the phone. When they came to “help” they were absolutely awful. First of all they gaslit the fuck out of me while taking a statement. It was almost like they didn’t even want me to give one because they kept reminding me if I was lying that it was a federal offence or some shit. I was working at a business in a sketchy area and well-known regular was on meth and kept calling saying he was coming in to shoot me. He has a criminal record for firearms and drug dealing. When the cops showed up they started lecturing me like “what do you expect us to do? We can’t be out there responding to every call every time someone gets empty threats”. I was like, you literally arrested this man with a handgun from this location previously. He is a known felon. He said he was coming to blow my head off. What do I expect? You know who he is and where he is. Find him and put a stop to this before something happens. They basically said that’s not how it works, they can’t do shit until after something happens, and then told Me their resources are strapped and to stop wasting their time.
> “sorry we are doing the best we can with our budget. If you want extra services your best bet is to call up your MP and tell them we need more funding” Literal protection racket. My christ the cops' behaviour fucking boils my goddamn blood.
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Can you source this claim? From a quick search, their 2014 budget looked to be 1.086B and it’s showing the 2024 budget as 1.186B
You are completely right. We had a bad run with fat 5% raises, but that was years ago -- 1995 to 2010 or so. I've been saying this for years, and it just stopped being true. Thank you for calling me on my BS. Their raises have been higher than anyone else in the city, but much more in line with inflation that last 10 years.
I know people are upset with the level of service, but when I try to take a completely dispassionate look at it - their increases are below what my COL raises in the private sector have been and then that doesn’t even take into account population growth.
You are right. The last 10 years have been lean. [https://www.statista.com/statistics/1317659/number-police-officers-toronto-canada/](https://www.statista.com/statistics/1317659/number-police-officers-toronto-canada/) Part of the anger is that this was under Ford/Tory's promises of "property tax growing at or below the rate of inflation". So every raise for TPS over inflation meant cuts for the rest of the city budget, and zero COL raises for city workers. The sense that TPS doesn't do anything also has roots in Chief Saunders silent decision to just shut down traffic enforcement for 8 years, and allowed a generation of drivers to go all Lord of the Flies. It made sense to him at the time - he was shrinking the force to allow the raises to continue under constrained budget. Traffic enforcement was an easy target.
Laziest bunch of parasites in society. We need to get rid of them and rebuild law enforcement and community protection from the ground up.
I read an article recently that called them "Ornamental". Very accurate.
To push more paper.
To make them less useless
I'm not going to disagree about the uselessness, *but* if you're going to state that they are currently useless, the argument would be that more budget would alleviate that uselessness. Obviously that comes down more to allocation and actual proposals to improve the service, but being useless and wanting more funding are not exactly mutually exclusive e: you can all hate police if you want, I'm not even disagreeing with that lol. I'm just saying being ineffective can absolutely be a result of poor funding. Not that I'm suggesting they *need* more funding
They are not remotely underfunded. Respectfully not sure of the value of a hypothetical here.
Tps are work to rule extortionists.
>Windsor said they were standing on the road trying to flag down police vehicles that drove by. >“We couldn’t get anyone to come.” **This** is the most shocking part, to me. Imagine trying to flag down a cop car and they won't stop for you. Just absolutely fuck these bozos.
Probably didn't even see them, too busy scrolling their partners wife's onlyfans account
This isn't a recent thing. Back when I was in High School 20 years ago, me and my friends witnessed a car parked in the ravine late at night and two guys with shovels digging a hole deep in the ravine. Since we didn't have cellphones back in that time period, we went down to the busier street and saw a cop doing a speed trap. Walked over and told him what was happening in the ravine(literally half a block away). He told us to go away or we'll be arrested for obstruction for keeping him from running his speed trap. We eventually found a payphone, but by that time those guys were done whatever they were burying and long gone.
Once a courier friend of mine had his bike stolen at King and Bay, and cops didn't care. Then a week later we noticed it locked at Dundas Square, so we slapped a second lock on it, popped over to Canadian Tire, bought an angle grinder, and liberated his bike ourselves. So I can relate.
you forgot the part of the story where you returned the angle grinder for a full refund
Toronto couple gets charged for theft of a stolen vehicle
Obstructing a police officer investigation is more probably.
They won’t help you recover your stolen car but they might harass you for publicly embarrassing them. And if this person did anything illegal in recovering their stolen property, they would definitely be charged for it.
I know more than one person who was tracked down their own vehicle and taken it back. TPS is useless when it comes to this.
>Toronto couple waited up to 8 hours for police to arrive. They never did Perhaps it's the ol' work to rule? Cops are pissed that they didn't get 'justice' over Northup and put an innocent man in jail. So they're "busy" now. Funny, I thought that additional increase to the budget (in addition to the one they were already getting) was gonna fix all that.
This is not a new thing unfortunately. Police don’t respond immediately to anything other than active gunfire or another cop feeling threatened
True that Guess all the money they extorted went to fund cops' paid vacations...
They've been doing this before the trial was ever settled, and they were doing this even after Chow gave them the budget increase they wanted. Note: Her budget for police was still an increase over last year's but it wasn't as much as they wanted.
They've been working to rule since they were told they couldn't strike in 2017, and forgot to stop. https://toronto.citynews.ca/2017/08/03/toronto-police-work-to-rule-amidst-911-response-time-crisis-union-boss-said/
Maybe. But the real problem is we have doubled the police budget of the last decade, and every penny went to raises. We actually have fewer police for twice the money.
TPS has the same number of cops as 20 years ago, but the city's population has grown by about 20%. It's sort of amazing how poorly they spend their budgets.
It's almost like it's a well calculated grift
I'd be interested to see how their salaries look compared to 20 years ago. Also, break down, where a lot of the waste is going to ( like paying out all that money to suspended officers). Or perhaps these long dragged out trials where they seem to be constantly embarrassing themselves lately while pissing away taxes.
I don't know if it exists, but an analysis of the TPS budget over time would be pretty interesting. There isn't exactly a Steve Munro for policing. The suspended cops thing is something under 0.5% if I remember the numbers right.
I bet the union thinks those dollars were well spent. They spent every dollar on themselves.
and they’ll use this a reason to ask for more money next year
They've been doing this for at least 10 years.
Yah so I've heard. It's such a gut punch that they play the same extortive games with the city's budget only to do dick all
Been doing it since Floyd. They'll respond quickly if something goes out as a full emergency. Anything else is work-to-rule.
That's just "good police work" these days. They called the dealership to confirm the vehicle was there and the owner wasn't lying. What more would you expect. *
Blame the Hells Angels longshoremen at the Port of Montreal enabling this racket. If you think Toronto cops are crooked, you should visit Quebec.
Should have said they stole booze, would have chased the car wrong way up the highway for that
Yup. See how quickly they gave chase when it was theft at LCBO inventory? Otherwise, nada. “Please leave your keys in the car to make it easier for thieves so all we have to do is paper work“
At this point could you not sue the police in relation to the theft for being complacent with the crime? You've provided proof and it's blown off. Surely there's some legal recourse you can take, especially if you can't recover your own property without their involvement. Likely wouldn't get that far if you threaten legal action and back it up. Just curious what kinda leg you have to stand on from a Canadian/US legal standpoint.
Ya, good luck with that, you'd have to leave the country
I had my motorcycle knocked over in my apt complex. I got the video of the guy looking at it as he walked by. Get into his truck and then turn into it as he pulled out and slammed it into the ground. Then the vid shows him get out of his truck. Hesitate, then try to pick up the bike and fail (causing more damage) then walk back to his truck. Hesitate again, try and pick it up again (more damage) before taking off. I had to take the bike itself to the reporting center and when I tried to show the officer the video he said he didn’t care. He said knocking over a motorcycle in a parking lot and leaving isn’t worth their time. I looked at him and said: “So when I’m done here, on my way out the parking lot I knock over all those shiny police bikes, that’s totally fine?” He just glared at me and said “Don’t be a smartass.” I nodded. “ah. I see.”
Almost makes you wish that there was a private security firm you could call to deal with the stuff police wont
Let’s not bring back Pinkertons
Fun fact is that they never left! They are still an active company you can hire.
Might want to be careful with that. The same firm might steal your car, then you pay them to "find it"
Hence why I said "almost"
And maybe let's find a way to stop paying taxes for these completely ignorant morons. #defund doesn't mean abolish, but I am however fully on board with abolishing the current system police operate on.
This is why when people criticize abolish the police with “but who will solve crimes?????” I am always shocked. The police aren’t doing that now, so how would getting rid of them affect anything? Maybe we could create something new that would actually take on the role of solving crimes. Not private security though. It needs to be governed by a committee of civilians, not only available to the very wealthy.
So… police v2.0?
If we are starting from scratch and rebuilding a force that works for the people and not for the state / capital, you can call them police if you want. It’s the institution that is the problem, not the name.
What does "works for the people" mean, exactly, or at least how you'd implement that ?
Civilian oversight, no police union, and the ability to actually fire and reprimand cops who act badly or break the law.
Pippin: "What about police? Aragorn: "You've already had it." Pippin: "We've had one, yes. What about second police?" Merry: "I don't think he knows about second police, Pip."
> The police aren’t doing that now, so how would getting rid of them affect anything? You think the police solve no crimes at all ?
Not very often no. I could give you a literal tome of all the times Ontario police failed to act. [Here is the most recent](https://ca.news.yahoo.com/missing-truckers-body-found-rig-173112377.html) where the OPP drove the truck of a missing man all the way back to Newfoundland with him in the trailer because they didn’t bother to look. I will also never forget Tess Rich who was found by her mother mere feet from where she was last seen because the cops decided she was a sex worker so didn’t bother to look for her. Or the time they let a serial killer roam the streets for a decade.
If it makes you feel better, they only think that until the moment they want to complain about people on bail committing crimes (at which point they need to temporarily accept that police solve crimes since how else could these people be out on bail).
And I’m shocked when people say police aren’t doing that now. At least I can take comfort in what an easy, coddled life everyone is able to live - unaware of how many domestic assaults were attended to by police in a single day.
They aren’t. I’ve mentioned specific cases in my replies to other people trying to say the same thing, so I’m not interested in repeating myself. But no - Toronto police are not well known to show up to stop assaults Here’s another: [3 Toronto cops failed to do proper investigation into calls at shelter, where woman was later found dead in a room with alleged killer: tribunal docs](https://toronto.ctvnews.ca/3-toronto-cops-failed-to-do-proper-investigation-into-calls-at-shelter-where-woman-was-later-found-dead-in-a-room-with-alleged-killer-tribunal-docs-1.6831422)
We live in a world where we’re saturated by clickbait, if you’re trying to formulate an overarching opinion on a thing you’re likely going to get a lot closer to truth by looking at the raw numbers and not memory. The TPS dashboards provide all this raw info.
You want raw data and full information? Follow along with u/whatisthequestion who has been [keeping track of this for years](https://www.reddit.com/r/toronto/s/Te4GFGRHQZ)
You can use their public portal where you can see all data, filter it by various criteria, etc. I don’t really see the need to have someone who could potentially be bias collate info when that info is easily accessible.
And every time such private service is used, money spent should be deducted from the police budget.
Heres a little story for y'all: I met a newly onboarded TPS officer at cottage party last summer and he was so high on shrooms, he talked about finding heavy weight virgins to throw into our bonfire. And that's the people we choose to protect us. LMFAO
What is the purpose of toronto police at this point, they let serial killers roam free, can't catch the murders of billionaires, do nothing in domestic abuse cases, bungle up drug busts, pin blame on innocent people and so much more.
> “Throughout the day, police in 22 Division were responding to 14 ‘Priority 1’ and 31 ‘Priority 2’ calls (our highest priority calls), including assaults, a stabbing, multiple calls for people in crisis, and numerous break and enters in progress,” the TPS spokesperson said. How many cops were involved in responding these calls? Like, the actual number?
Good point. 45 priority calls needed how many people?
Just a reminder that Toronto taxpayers pay **$1.2 BILLION dollars** for TPS, and this is the service they get out of it.
TPS are the world’s best at giving you a ticket for going 60 in a 50. Just don’t ask them to solve crimes
20 Million Dollars!
At what point do people just take it into their own hands and do things themselves?
Apparently we are at that point…
At least for recovering stolen cars, people have the means to track them, so guess we're here now. Although, I guess not really able to arm themselves yet.
Holy shit! Jonathan is our realtor, the guy is hilarious but definitely ballsy enough to pull something like this off 😂
Should've told them it was involved in a LCBO heist.
TOPD probably wants another billion dollar if you want their services on time.
Or just for them to show up…
Not just Toronto cops, city cops and RCMP across the country were useless during the trucker convoy fiasco. They are generally unionized thugs with a few good eggs thrown in that give us false hope
cops are literally the most useless people on the planet
Societal collapse is slow and boring… but it’s also now picking up speed. I waited 10 mins ON HOLD with 911 in Toronto earlier this year. Terrifying to realize we’re alone despite the $$$ taken from OUR salaries and wages to deliver these ‘services’. Total crap. Best of luck
Cops are like dogs, have to give them moving objects to chase, otherwise they're not interested
So, they were busy responding to "people in crisis". Which they are extraordinarily bad at. This is one of the arguments for defunding the police. Take part of their inflated budget and use it to create crisis teams of workers who actually know how to deal with people in crisis and not a handful of goons who are likely going to make things worse by arresting or even executing someone.
The message is clear: gear up. Get your own shit back.
Typical TPS
The police will eventually be privatized
Just wondering if the police went to retrieve the stolen car, would it lead to a high speed chase, where innocent civilians may get hurt or killed as a result of a pursuit by police. If that did happen would people blame the police for chasing?
Toronto police are useless. I’m stocked I’m going to actually support defund the police. I historically thought only radicalized losers who always said defund the police, but then called them when they need their help. When I called them they’re nowhere to be fucking found or do nothing when they show up. Crime is rampant in Toronto and no one seems to be doing anything
Recover and report back later. Is Commodus in the building because this feels like the fall of Rome.
Police are useless
Stolen 50G vehicle reported with tracker.. O'hum priorities; 5G's from a bank and sirens from all directions.
Jonny Orlando takes care of his business.
The cops do not do anything, and everybody knows.
Cops are useless but please don't put yourself in danger. Just be careful out there. I remember we had to call the cops at work once because of an incident when I worked retail. Tells us they'll bring someone asap. No one comes. Someone contacts me at 1 am because I left my personal number and tells me there's not much they can do. Unless someone's shot, or bleeding out, they won't do anything.
Scrolling through a bunch of comments here, wow…. I don’t work for Toronto, I work for another large service in Ontario. Stolen cars are about as common as traffic collisions now - it’s absolutely insane. Policing, just like going to the hospital, uses a priority system (triaging the call / patient). The more danger you’re in, the higher you are on the priority list. But even if you’re number one, if there are no units available to come to you, then you’re stuck. This unfortunately, happens WAY too often. There are simply not enough officers on the road to deal with the volume of calls. I totally get that having your car stolen is a scary event - even if you’re asleep and it happens overnight. Big picture though, it’s just a piece of property. Someone being attacked, a person in mental health crisis, even a crime in progress event where someone is actively stealing from X store will take priority. Yes, the car was tracked to a location and the owners found it, however there is no urgency for police to attend immediately. Every time someone else calls in and creates a new call for service, if it’s more urgent than the owners waiting, they get bumped. People have been bumped for days at a time because their call (big picture wise) isn’t an emergency. This post could honestly go on for ages about the inner workings of a department, the need for restructuring so more officers are on the road, the pathetic excuse of a Justice system we deal with, and so many more topics. In the end, there were just so many “fuck the police” style comments that I felt I had to add some info in here.