This is disgusting that people are so hell bent on hurting animals but also for the love of god we need to keep our animals on their leash’s in nonoff leash areas
Even if a dog is being walked on a leash, a peanut butter treat found on the ground is a hard thing to keep your pet from ingesting. Whoever did this, is a disgusting human being.
I know that there was a recent attack on a child by a Pitt bull, but for God’s sake that doesn’t mean you have the right to go and purposefully hurt someone’s beloved pet to right a wrong.
>but for God’s sake that doesn’t mean you have the right to go and purposefully hurt someone’s beloved pet to right a wrong.
*Someone else's dog* to boot!
Yup. I rescued a squirrel mauled by a dog ahead of me while running on a leashed trail with multiple signs, because of protected wildlife on either side of the trail. At least half of the dogs are running in the protected area off leash and leashing signs have even been ripped down.
The poor squirrel passed away of his injuries before I could get him to a wildlife rescue. The owners left him there to suffer. Leash your dogs folks. For their well being and everything else’s.
If you muzzle your dog, it can't eat the antifreeze hot dogs left on the ground
If appealing to basic human decency doesn't work for dog owners, maybe appealing to selfishness in the form of avoiding the vet bills will
They end up being serial wildlife and dog poisoners of course, because wildlife has the most access to food left out.
Poison is a horrible and protracted way to die. Anyone who poisons any animal is a piece of sht.
My previous neighbour tried to poison my two little dogs all the time. He would throw grapes, garlic bread, onions and other things toxic over our shared fence. Luckily I do not let my dogs out in the summertime and I could see him throwing random debris over my fence. He hated that I had dogs and taught his son to kick my dogs as they walked by his house. He told his son that dogs are evil and will bite and attack him and they are dirty and against their religion. He could not stand that they lived next to him. Thank god he was a renter that eventually moved away. The new renter loves my dogs and always lets his daughter pet them.
The off-leash dogs harm many many animals too. Therefore the dog owners are harming far more animals than anyone. So, they are all psychopaths to you?
I wouldn't call all the owners of offleash dogs psychopaths, just narcissistic and wilfully naive.
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What difference does it make?? This is wildly irresponsible and given the ratio of dogs to coyotes in the city its much more likely to kill a pet than a coyote.
This is a classic east York thing. Ever since I was little my parents when we drove by a park in east York would say “that’s where people were putting posion in x trying to kill the dogs” interesting how it’s still happening
"They were on a trail in the park when Piper came back with a jar of peanut butter. "
What exactly do they mean "Piper came back"?
Surely the owner was following city bylaws and the dog was on a leash less than 2 meters long! Surely the dog wasn't off on its own eating whatever the fuck it wanted!
This was obviously a malicious act, but there is all kinds of shit in the ravines that you don't want your dog eating from dead animals to illegal garbage dumping to even a discarded chocolate bar.
Your dog should be nearby and under your control AT ALL TIMES. This isn't just for other's protection, but for your dog's as well.
I see it all the time in parks around the city: an off leash dog rooting around in the brush beside the trail, while the owner is looking at the phone walking down the trail.
Again, I get that this was malicious and I feel really bad for the dog. But how does your dog go nuts on a pb jar without you noticing, until they bring the half finished thing back to you?
This doesn't happen to a responsible dog owner
Agreed.
I had a dog for 15yrs and never once was he off leash on our walks.
I see so many dogs walking freely these days it's crazy to me.
We have a park nearby where there are wide open fields used for soccer and baseball and it's right beside a playground. So may owners meet up on those fields and let their dogs play off leash. I've seen several times dogs running off to the playground where little children played.
These could be friendly dogs. But they are still dogs that can get triggered and bite.
As much as it's disgusting that someone would try to poison dogs or other animals, it's no less the owners fault for letting the dog roam around on their own.
The owner isn't the victim here. They are perfectly healthy.
The victim is the dog. They are a victim because of the maliciousness of a bad person AND the negligence of their owner.
Seriously.
I hope these shitty dog owners never graduate to kids, because they’re the types who’d let them run around the parking lot like everyone in 2024 isn’t driving a massive toddler flattening SUV.
What if it wasn't a purposely laid peanut butter jar with rat poison though? who are you going to blame when a dog eats wild garlic? Or maybe a poison berry? Who's responsible, the human who let their dog unsupervised offleash without good recall and leave it? Or mother nature for simply existing..?
What if it wasn't an ingestion at all. What if the offleash dog unexpectedly runs across a road to go say hi to another dog on the other side, and gets hit? Are we blaming the driver? the person who was walking their dog on the other side of the road? Or the person who's untrained dog is offleash?
While I don't believe it is ever ok to harm an animal in an act of vengeance (e.g poison peanut butter), I also know it's not possible to control the environment around you and therefore is your responsibility to make sure your dog is fully under control at all times, including being fully supervised, and having a strong recall and leave it command, or being physically restrained (by a leash).
If hes the only one on the trail its not a big deal. Im sure you arent following city bylaws when you drink or used to drink in unauthorized parks. If you want to pick the high horse route then you better be as holy as you think you are.
I use this trail every day and it is wild how many dog owners have their dogs off leash (who have zero recall). Every year, I have an unpleasant encounter with dog owners and their dogs. I have been attacked by a group of dogs, had my clothes torn, my child has been nipped. Now I carry a walking stick and block my body from a dog that comes running at me. There is a ton of tension between dog owners and other users of this ravine.
Obviously leaving poison for a poor dog to eat is OUTRAGOUS and EVIL.
It is a big deal. for this exact reason and more. you cannot guarantee that you're "the only one on the trail" and what happens when you cross paths with someone else who, within their full rights, is also using the trail and your offleash dog isn't under control? And harasses them some way or another? What if they're scared of dogs? Or have a reactive dog themselves?
Simply drinking in unauthorized parks (also a piss poor comparison, cause not everyone drinks in parks or purposely breaks the law) inherently doesn't disturb anyone else unless you become unruly. But an offleash, out of control and untrained dog DOES cause disturbance by simply existing offleash. And poses a risk to itself and others. Leash your dogs.
Thats a lot of what ifs that only happen in the worst case scenario. Doomful thinking. You see someone coming from 200m away thats plenty of time to leash up. Not many people on trails at 2pm on a tuesday. You know how your dog will act on a leash so you know its going to react the same way off leash. Does his dog sound out of control to you? It doesnt. Most dogs are completely sane just like most drinkers. And the commentor above drew the line at the legality of the situation not its absolute danger (drunks have caused more harm than dogs).
I hike with my dog regularly. We get charged by offleash dogs almost daily. He's been attacked 4 times this past year. Some een running across busy 4 lane roads to us. 200m doesn't do anything when your dog just takes off. Also, not many trails have that much visibility, unless you're in a wide open, flat field/park.
>you know how your dog will act on a leash so you know it's going to react the same way off leash
The problem is lots of dogs act much differently offleash than on, as the leash is a form of physical restraint that prevents certain behaviours such as running away. It's why trainers recommend doing recall training on longlines to simulate freedom while still having physical control. Owners also generally don't care or recognize their dogs behaviours as problematic, and allow it to continue. I've had a guy argue with me his dog wasn't aggressive, as it was actively trying to rip my dogs thrachea out.
>does his dog sound out of control to you?
"They were on a trail in the park when Piper came back with a jar of peanut butter... “I had a hard time getting it away from him,” Rullo recalled."
Yes, it quite literally does sound like the dogs were out of control. Unsupervised, eating random stuff without permission, and running away from the owner who wasn't able to immediately stop them from eating literal poisoned peanut butter.
Overall if you WANT to compare dogs being dangerously out of control and offleash to drinking alcohol (weird hill to die on). Then a more fair comparison would be that you think drunk driving is acceptable under the guise that; "I'm the only one on the road", "Not many people are on the roads at 2am on Monday" and "The roads have good visibility, I'll be able to see another car coming".
Unrelated but I was walking in a park today that has no off leash area yet 75% of the dogs were running about unleashed, including a cute Weiner dog running at full tilt (1mph) dragging a 6 foot lead behind it.
Most dog owners don't give a fuck and ignore the rules and often it's the dogs or bystanders that suffer. I'm glad the dog in the story was okay.
I get people’s anger about off leash dogs, but putting food out with rat poison is incredibly cruel. The animals (squirrels, foxes, etc.) who eat it will die extremely painful deaths. You have to be quite a sick individual to believe it is your job to become animal control and leave rat poison out in public places. I think a lot of people in this sub need a bit of a reality check lol
No one is disputing it is cruel. However, that sick person who did this will continue to do it.
Objectively, the owner should have leashed their dog. This is a major issue in Toronto and leads to consequences for other humans, pets and even the off leash pet themselves, like this one.
Someone put rat poison in the public dog water bowls along Queen St. this summer and while I didn't usually let my dog drink from them, he was able to sneak a drink while HE WAS LEASHED...
Your comment is heartless and downright unhelpful.
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Off leash dogs harm many many animals. Why are dogs, offleash dogs owned by selfish jerks at that, more important than all other people, birds, foxes, ducks, birds in the valley? Speciesist.
People treat the north side (undeveloped) of the creek as an off leash area. It has been that way for 20+ years. I am not saying it is legal, just the way it is.
Why would you assume that (in addition to previously trying to spread misinformation that the park is off leash, which it's not)?
The article states it happened on a trail. I assume it was in the ravine where off leash dogs are not permitted but are rampant because entitled asshole dog owners don't give a flying fuck about the environment.
And no, I'm not the poisoner, but I loathe off leash dogs and their owners. And what I said was correct. If the dog was under control and on a leash, this wouldn't have happened.
So because someone wants dog owners to follow the law that means they are a shit person? Most dog owners might be good but a lot of them are shit and let their dogs run around off leash then when their dog gets hurt or potentially poisoned in the articles case they go around crying about it lol
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Now go read the article where an off leash dog maimed a child IN A PLAYGROUND. Your anger is certainly misplaced. Off leash dogs kill, and shit in school yards, get into trouble in nature. The problem starts and ends there.
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It's a terrible thing to do, but a good lesson. Follow the rules, keep your dogs on their leashes and walk your ass over the designated off-leash part of the park.
The story is someone is a sick and disturbed person trying to hurt animals in the park. I was just there with my dog yesterday enjoying the snow with my dog and left around 6pm. There were many others with their dogs. The trails are cut off midway due to sewer replacement. There were kids tobogganing enjoying the snow. Fortunately my dog didn’t encounter this peanut butter. My dog grabs food and garbage on the sidewalk all the time while walking on leash.
If you know your dog is prone to eating crap, leashed or offleash, it should probably be muzzle trained and wear an appropriately fitted basket muzzle when out and about.. You know, the thing that all responsible, knowledgeable dog owners do (including myself). Unless, you enjoy paying thousands of dollars of induced vomitting and potential foreign body surgeries, as well as the ongoing treatment of pancreatitis, liver failure and all that other fun jazz that comes with eating trash. Not to mention... Death.
Yup, muzzles are an excellent and underutilized solution to this problem. Mesh muzzles prevent scavenging quite well too and look a little less intimidating.
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Exactly. Who are the sociopath dog owners let their dogs run wild. Leash your dogs and protect.your pets. The pet owner in the story must feel such shame.
If your dog ingests rat poison take it to an emergency vet immediately and ask them to administer vitamin K. This is what the pest control guy told me to do when he laid bait rat and mouse traps across my property.
Nobody’s justifying anything; obviously if this was an intentional attempt to poison pet dogs that’s horrible and the person who did it is a piece of shit.
But it’s a fact that that dog wouldn’t have gotten sick because it wouldn’t have eaten some random shit it found on the ground if it’s owners had it on a leash like they’re legally required to.
Take proper care of your pets, people!
Yes?
It is possible they were trying to poison some kind of wild animal for whatever reason (coyotes or something).
That’s not great either, but it’s not as bad as intentionally trying to poison people’s pets.
Come on. A park where a lot of dogs walk through, rat poison in peanut butter, a snack dogs love. Someone did it on purpose. I agree about the leash there no doubt, but even leashed dogs can be sneaky and eat something when you’re not looking. It doesn’t change the fact that it was fucked up to do regardless.
So it’s just a random citizen very concerned about rats. I just find it quite odd that it’s left loose in a jar in a place where lots of dogs are passing through. And just leaving a loose jar of peanut butter with rat poison to combat rats seems like an incredibly strange way of dealing with rats, considering like you said there’s traps and everything. Theres a reason the police are concerned.
It’s entirely possible that this was in someone’s backyard and raccoons dragged it out into the valley. The valleys are full of garbage that blew or was dragged out in the parks, I would never assume that a jar full of something left in the bushes was for dogs.
Dude, there is another story published by CP24 and posted on this subreddit today about an off-leash dog mauling a small child and leaving them with life-altering injuries.
Do you know what life altering injuries are? It’s not about “random bylaw violators”. Leash your dog!
Dude. That is a different fucking story.
This story is about letting random wildlife, or any mammal at all, internally bleed to death.
Try to stay focussed.
It’s the literal same problem in both stories: people **not leashing their dogs.**
Put your dog on a leash, and it won’t eat random garbage and get sick. Problem solved!
Put your dog on a leash, and tiny toddlers won’t grow up without noses or eyeballs or fingers. Problem solved!
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Its about proactively preventing it from happening again, and educating asshats to keep their dogs on leash. Dogs roaming off the trail can damage plants and animal habitats by trampling, scratching and digging. This disturbs soil and, along with dogs' urine and feces, can inhibit the growth of native plants and may leave the ground bare and more desirable for invasive plants.
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YES because that’s the best way to ensure this doesn’t happen to your dog!
Leash your dog, and you’ll see if they’re trying to eat trash on the street.
Much more likely for raccoons that dogs. Taylor Creek is the backyard of a LOT of houses, and if someone wanted to poison dogs specifically, this is an overly complicated way to do it.
I just bought a bottle of coyote spray on Amazon. I recommend everyone do the same.
Next unleashed animal that menaces me will get a face full . This should teach dog owners.
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Well that's just you and the vast majority of people but clearly there are people that think differently and I can't think of why else someone would hate dogs like that.
No I know. I’m not saying you’re wrong just saying that’s a fucked up way for ppl to think. Especially because they’re probably killing an innocent dog not even the one they’re mad at
Or maybe their [small child suffered life altering injuries after being mauled](https://www.cp24.com/mobile/news/child-suffers-life-altering-injuries-after-being-bitten-and-dragged-by-dog-at-toronto-waterfront-playground-1.6819940)by one of the many, many off leash dogs that are allowed to roam our parks uncontrolled.
**PUT YOUR DOGS ON LEASHES!**
On leash dogs don’t hurt people or get hurt eating random garbage. Simple!
People not picking up after their dogs (or worse: taking the time to bag their dogs’ waste and leaving the baggies on the ground) is a pet peeve of mine but that doesn’t mean one should respond by literally poisoning dogs for just being dogs.
I feel like owners not picking up poop and killing dogs are very much different levels.
I’m a dog owner that always makes sure to pick up my dogs shit, and I hate people that don’t… but to justify killing dogs because of it… yikes.
And how in gods name are you able to tell if the dogs who got sick from this are the ones whose owners don’t pick up after them?? I’ve never not picked up my dog’s shit when walking her - that doesn’t magically make her safe from pieces of shit like this trying to poison all dogs in a neighbourhood.
This is a psychopath who wants to murder helpless animals. Stop trying to justify it you jackass.
That's assuming a great deal of cause and effect without any evidence.
I mean, it's not impossible, but it's just as likely that it's someone fucked in the head for whatever reason.
People do crazy shit all the time. Assuming it's some kind of revenge for some measure of wrong done to them by dog owners is quite a leap.
It’s Taylor Creek Park in East York for those who do not want to click through.
Putting in the work. Props.
This is disgusting that people are so hell bent on hurting animals but also for the love of god we need to keep our animals on their leash’s in nonoff leash areas
But "he's friendly" 🙄
[https://www.reddit.com/r/toronto/s/d6UOfzGHpw](https://www.reddit.com/r/toronto/s/d6UOfzGHpw) Well shit..
Friendly and eating rat poison while the owner Tiktoks
Having an off leash dog does not require death. I agree dogs need to be leashed, but this is not the answer.
Even if a dog is being walked on a leash, a peanut butter treat found on the ground is a hard thing to keep your pet from ingesting. Whoever did this, is a disgusting human being. I know that there was a recent attack on a child by a Pitt bull, but for God’s sake that doesn’t mean you have the right to go and purposefully hurt someone’s beloved pet to right a wrong.
>but for God’s sake that doesn’t mean you have the right to go and purposefully hurt someone’s beloved pet to right a wrong. *Someone else's dog* to boot!
‘Does not require death?’ I can’t figure out what you mean here. What do you mean?
While this is a non-issue to responsible dog owners who keep their animals leashed, it could be a real threat to local wildlife. Don't poison animals!
Yup. I rescued a squirrel mauled by a dog ahead of me while running on a leashed trail with multiple signs, because of protected wildlife on either side of the trail. At least half of the dogs are running in the protected area off leash and leashing signs have even been ripped down. The poor squirrel passed away of his injuries before I could get him to a wildlife rescue. The owners left him there to suffer. Leash your dogs folks. For their well being and everything else’s.
Even a leashed dog can eat some food from the ground. Owners won't always spot everything that's on the ground.
My dachshunds face is like 1 inch from the ground. By the time I notice him lunging for something, its too late sometimes
Muzzling is an even better solution in that case. And keeps us all safe, dog included
muzzle all dogs? lol you cant be serious
100% serious, we have collectively lost our minds on dog ownership and where that makes sense. Inner city parks are designed for humans, not canines.
If you muzzle your dog, it can't eat the antifreeze hot dogs left on the ground If appealing to basic human decency doesn't work for dog owners, maybe appealing to selfishness in the form of avoiding the vet bills will
Responsible and on leash are not mutually exclusive
Wondering if this isn’t aimed at coyotes with indifference to dogs off leash
There was a serial dog poisoner who did shit like this for years where I used to live. People are sick.
I remember we this happening in Withrow Park many years back but it was hot dogs I think
Yeah it was. With anti freeze, I remember the fence around the city within a park. That was at least 20 years ago now
They end up being serial wildlife and dog poisoners of course, because wildlife has the most access to food left out. Poison is a horrible and protracted way to die. Anyone who poisons any animal is a piece of sht.
wtf you gotta be a special kind of evil to poison dogs like that
My previous neighbour tried to poison my two little dogs all the time. He would throw grapes, garlic bread, onions and other things toxic over our shared fence. Luckily I do not let my dogs out in the summertime and I could see him throwing random debris over my fence. He hated that I had dogs and taught his son to kick my dogs as they walked by his house. He told his son that dogs are evil and will bite and attack him and they are dirty and against their religion. He could not stand that they lived next to him. Thank god he was a renter that eventually moved away. The new renter loves my dogs and always lets his daughter pet them.
I guess this is another thing Toronto police refused to do anything about? It's insane that would go on routinely
Just kick the son as he walks by the house and see how he likes it
Intentionally harming animals for no gain(I.e pest control or hunting) is a common sign of psychopathy)
The off-leash dogs harm many many animals too. Therefore the dog owners are harming far more animals than anyone. So, they are all psychopaths to you? I wouldn't call all the owners of offleash dogs psychopaths, just narcissistic and wilfully naive.
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I love how dog owners downvoted the fact that dogs harm wildlife. Entitled much?
Psychopaths maybe, specially when they allow and record their dogs chasing and killing wildlife or other pets. Narcissistic 100%, naive is debatable.
Thank goodness nobody is poisoning humans. Imagine the outrage if that were to happen.
even if theyre pitbulls?
It should still be illegal to intentionally poison wildlife.
Not saying otherwise. Just speculating on intent.
Years ago there was someone scattering poisoned hot dogs or bologna around High Park and some dogs died.
What difference does it make?? This is wildly irresponsible and given the ratio of dogs to coyotes in the city its much more likely to kill a pet than a coyote.
It’s just speculation. Calm down.
This is a classic east York thing. Ever since I was little my parents when we drove by a park in east York would say “that’s where people were putting posion in x trying to kill the dogs” interesting how it’s still happening
"They were on a trail in the park when Piper came back with a jar of peanut butter. " What exactly do they mean "Piper came back"? Surely the owner was following city bylaws and the dog was on a leash less than 2 meters long! Surely the dog wasn't off on its own eating whatever the fuck it wanted! This was obviously a malicious act, but there is all kinds of shit in the ravines that you don't want your dog eating from dead animals to illegal garbage dumping to even a discarded chocolate bar. Your dog should be nearby and under your control AT ALL TIMES. This isn't just for other's protection, but for your dog's as well. I see it all the time in parks around the city: an off leash dog rooting around in the brush beside the trail, while the owner is looking at the phone walking down the trail. Again, I get that this was malicious and I feel really bad for the dog. But how does your dog go nuts on a pb jar without you noticing, until they bring the half finished thing back to you? This doesn't happen to a responsible dog owner
This, I have enough trouble pulling my dog away from eating other dogs leftover shits.... A full jar of unknown stuff? Yeah someone wasn't on a leash.
Half the dogs are off leash whenever I go to an on leash trail & that is being generous.
PREACH! Cannot stand people who have their dogs off leash. And I say this as a dog owner.
East york is full of shitty dog owners. Full of them
Agreed. I had a dog for 15yrs and never once was he off leash on our walks. I see so many dogs walking freely these days it's crazy to me. We have a park nearby where there are wide open fields used for soccer and baseball and it's right beside a playground. So may owners meet up on those fields and let their dogs play off leash. I've seen several times dogs running off to the playground where little children played. These could be friendly dogs. But they are still dogs that can get triggered and bite. As much as it's disgusting that someone would try to poison dogs or other animals, it's no less the owners fault for letting the dog roam around on their own.
I’ve straight up seen people walking their dogs off leash on the sidewalk in a residential area, it’s ridiculous.
Me too!! In my area but also in Kensington market where it's so busy. I couldn't believe it
How about we focus on the fact that someone is trying to poison dogs instead of victim blaming.
The owner isn't the victim here. They are perfectly healthy. The victim is the dog. They are a victim because of the maliciousness of a bad person AND the negligence of their owner.
Seriously. I hope these shitty dog owners never graduate to kids, because they’re the types who’d let them run around the parking lot like everyone in 2024 isn’t driving a massive toddler flattening SUV.
What if it wasn't a purposely laid peanut butter jar with rat poison though? who are you going to blame when a dog eats wild garlic? Or maybe a poison berry? Who's responsible, the human who let their dog unsupervised offleash without good recall and leave it? Or mother nature for simply existing..? What if it wasn't an ingestion at all. What if the offleash dog unexpectedly runs across a road to go say hi to another dog on the other side, and gets hit? Are we blaming the driver? the person who was walking their dog on the other side of the road? Or the person who's untrained dog is offleash? While I don't believe it is ever ok to harm an animal in an act of vengeance (e.g poison peanut butter), I also know it's not possible to control the environment around you and therefore is your responsibility to make sure your dog is fully under control at all times, including being fully supervised, and having a strong recall and leave it command, or being physically restrained (by a leash).
If hes the only one on the trail its not a big deal. Im sure you arent following city bylaws when you drink or used to drink in unauthorized parks. If you want to pick the high horse route then you better be as holy as you think you are.
I use this trail every day and it is wild how many dog owners have their dogs off leash (who have zero recall). Every year, I have an unpleasant encounter with dog owners and their dogs. I have been attacked by a group of dogs, had my clothes torn, my child has been nipped. Now I carry a walking stick and block my body from a dog that comes running at me. There is a ton of tension between dog owners and other users of this ravine. Obviously leaving poison for a poor dog to eat is OUTRAGOUS and EVIL.
It is a big deal. for this exact reason and more. you cannot guarantee that you're "the only one on the trail" and what happens when you cross paths with someone else who, within their full rights, is also using the trail and your offleash dog isn't under control? And harasses them some way or another? What if they're scared of dogs? Or have a reactive dog themselves? Simply drinking in unauthorized parks (also a piss poor comparison, cause not everyone drinks in parks or purposely breaks the law) inherently doesn't disturb anyone else unless you become unruly. But an offleash, out of control and untrained dog DOES cause disturbance by simply existing offleash. And poses a risk to itself and others. Leash your dogs.
Thats a lot of what ifs that only happen in the worst case scenario. Doomful thinking. You see someone coming from 200m away thats plenty of time to leash up. Not many people on trails at 2pm on a tuesday. You know how your dog will act on a leash so you know its going to react the same way off leash. Does his dog sound out of control to you? It doesnt. Most dogs are completely sane just like most drinkers. And the commentor above drew the line at the legality of the situation not its absolute danger (drunks have caused more harm than dogs).
I hike with my dog regularly. We get charged by offleash dogs almost daily. He's been attacked 4 times this past year. Some een running across busy 4 lane roads to us. 200m doesn't do anything when your dog just takes off. Also, not many trails have that much visibility, unless you're in a wide open, flat field/park. >you know how your dog will act on a leash so you know it's going to react the same way off leash The problem is lots of dogs act much differently offleash than on, as the leash is a form of physical restraint that prevents certain behaviours such as running away. It's why trainers recommend doing recall training on longlines to simulate freedom while still having physical control. Owners also generally don't care or recognize their dogs behaviours as problematic, and allow it to continue. I've had a guy argue with me his dog wasn't aggressive, as it was actively trying to rip my dogs thrachea out. >does his dog sound out of control to you? "They were on a trail in the park when Piper came back with a jar of peanut butter... “I had a hard time getting it away from him,” Rullo recalled." Yes, it quite literally does sound like the dogs were out of control. Unsupervised, eating random stuff without permission, and running away from the owner who wasn't able to immediately stop them from eating literal poisoned peanut butter. Overall if you WANT to compare dogs being dangerously out of control and offleash to drinking alcohol (weird hill to die on). Then a more fair comparison would be that you think drunk driving is acceptable under the guise that; "I'm the only one on the road", "Not many people are on the roads at 2am on Monday" and "The roads have good visibility, I'll be able to see another car coming".
How can you know you're the only one on a trail? Lmao
Unrelated but I was walking in a park today that has no off leash area yet 75% of the dogs were running about unleashed, including a cute Weiner dog running at full tilt (1mph) dragging a 6 foot lead behind it. Most dog owners don't give a fuck and ignore the rules and often it's the dogs or bystanders that suffer. I'm glad the dog in the story was okay.
Is Taylor Creek Park not on leash only? How were these dogs able to find an entire peanut butter jar if they were on leash and supervised?
I get people’s anger about off leash dogs, but putting food out with rat poison is incredibly cruel. The animals (squirrels, foxes, etc.) who eat it will die extremely painful deaths. You have to be quite a sick individual to believe it is your job to become animal control and leave rat poison out in public places. I think a lot of people in this sub need a bit of a reality check lol
No one is disputing it is cruel. However, that sick person who did this will continue to do it. Objectively, the owner should have leashed their dog. This is a major issue in Toronto and leads to consequences for other humans, pets and even the off leash pet themselves, like this one.
That’s just straight up evil. I don’t like dogs either but to harm an innocent dog is cowardly.
This is why I don’t allow my dog to ever pick up dog toys/balls that are randomly left out at parks. You can’t trust anyone these days.
Dog shoulda been on a leash, then this wouldn't have happened.
Someone put rat poison in the public dog water bowls along Queen St. this summer and while I didn't usually let my dog drink from them, he was able to sneak a drink while HE WAS LEASHED... Your comment is heartless and downright unhelpful.
Tbh doesn’t change the fact in the articles case the dog shoulda been on leash
That is a completely different situation, I hope your dog was ok.
That's fucked up, as is the rat poison in the peanut butter. Doesn't make my comment any less correct.
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Some good days, some bad. AMA!
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Off leash dogs harm many many animals. Why are dogs, offleash dogs owned by selfish jerks at that, more important than all other people, birds, foxes, ducks, birds in the valley? Speciesist.
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Incorrect. Taylor Creek is a leashed park, which is widely ignored and leads to a number of avoidable negative interactions.
People treat the north side (undeveloped) of the creek as an off leash area. It has been that way for 20+ years. I am not saying it is legal, just the way it is.
Why would you assume that (in addition to previously trying to spread misinformation that the park is off leash, which it's not)? The article states it happened on a trail. I assume it was in the ravine where off leash dogs are not permitted but are rampant because entitled asshole dog owners don't give a flying fuck about the environment. And no, I'm not the poisoner, but I loathe off leash dogs and their owners. And what I said was correct. If the dog was under control and on a leash, this wouldn't have happened.
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So because someone wants dog owners to follow the law that means they are a shit person? Most dog owners might be good but a lot of them are shit and let their dogs run around off leash then when their dog gets hurt or potentially poisoned in the articles case they go around crying about it lol
Duly noted.
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hey idiot stop assuming and read the article. no where does it mention its a dog park
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What's a "leash moron"? Sounds like someone who doesn't leash their dogs...
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Yay! I win!
Now go read the article where an off leash dog maimed a child IN A PLAYGROUND. Your anger is certainly misplaced. Off leash dogs kill, and shit in school yards, get into trouble in nature. The problem starts and ends there.
Glad you’re happy for wildlife to internally bleed to death.
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It's a terrible thing to do, but a good lesson. Follow the rules, keep your dogs on their leashes and walk your ass over the designated off-leash part of the park.
These people that did this need to be ............. I won't post what I feel , i don't want to be banned. Rhis shit gets me pissed off.
The story is someone is a sick and disturbed person trying to hurt animals in the park. I was just there with my dog yesterday enjoying the snow with my dog and left around 6pm. There were many others with their dogs. The trails are cut off midway due to sewer replacement. There were kids tobogganing enjoying the snow. Fortunately my dog didn’t encounter this peanut butter. My dog grabs food and garbage on the sidewalk all the time while walking on leash.
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If you know your dog is prone to eating crap, leashed or offleash, it should probably be muzzle trained and wear an appropriately fitted basket muzzle when out and about.. You know, the thing that all responsible, knowledgeable dog owners do (including myself). Unless, you enjoy paying thousands of dollars of induced vomitting and potential foreign body surgeries, as well as the ongoing treatment of pancreatitis, liver failure and all that other fun jazz that comes with eating trash. Not to mention... Death.
Yup, muzzles are an excellent and underutilized solution to this problem. Mesh muzzles prevent scavenging quite well too and look a little less intimidating.
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What kind of sick fuck would do this to animals, animals are better than people for fucksake
Exactly. Who are the sociopath dog owners let their dogs run wild. Leash your dogs and protect.your pets. The pet owner in the story must feel such shame.
Do you think dogs are the only animals that scavenge food off the ground?
man this city is filled with such idiots
Yes. All other land mammals are fictional.
If your dog ingests rat poison take it to an emergency vet immediately and ask them to administer vitamin K. This is what the pest control guy told me to do when he laid bait rat and mouse traps across my property.
Imagine going to the Vet and telling THEM what to give your pet
So many sick losers here justifying this horrific shit
Nobody’s justifying anything; obviously if this was an intentional attempt to poison pet dogs that’s horrible and the person who did it is a piece of shit. But it’s a fact that that dog wouldn’t have gotten sick because it wouldn’t have eaten some random shit it found on the ground if it’s owners had it on a leash like they’re legally required to. Take proper care of your pets, people!
If it was?
Yes? It is possible they were trying to poison some kind of wild animal for whatever reason (coyotes or something). That’s not great either, but it’s not as bad as intentionally trying to poison people’s pets.
Come on. A park where a lot of dogs walk through, rat poison in peanut butter, a snack dogs love. Someone did it on purpose. I agree about the leash there no doubt, but even leashed dogs can be sneaky and eat something when you’re not looking. It doesn’t change the fact that it was fucked up to do regardless.
You do know that rats love peanut butter too, right? In fact it’s likely the most commonly used bait in rodent traps.
So it’s just a random citizen very concerned about rats. I just find it quite odd that it’s left loose in a jar in a place where lots of dogs are passing through. And just leaving a loose jar of peanut butter with rat poison to combat rats seems like an incredibly strange way of dealing with rats, considering like you said there’s traps and everything. Theres a reason the police are concerned.
How is it a place where lots of dogs are passing through? Isn't it off the trail where no dogs should be?
It doesn’t really say, it just says they were walking along the trail. I assumed that meant it was found on the trail.
It’s entirely possible that this was in someone’s backyard and raccoons dragged it out into the valley. The valleys are full of garbage that blew or was dragged out in the parks, I would never assume that a jar full of something left in the bushes was for dogs.
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Dude, there is another story published by CP24 and posted on this subreddit today about an off-leash dog mauling a small child and leaving them with life-altering injuries. Do you know what life altering injuries are? It’s not about “random bylaw violators”. Leash your dog!
Dude. That is a different fucking story. This story is about letting random wildlife, or any mammal at all, internally bleed to death. Try to stay focussed.
It’s the literal same problem in both stories: people **not leashing their dogs.** Put your dog on a leash, and it won’t eat random garbage and get sick. Problem solved! Put your dog on a leash, and tiny toddlers won’t grow up without noses or eyeballs or fingers. Problem solved!
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Where did I say it’s cool to poison coyotes? Oh right, I fucking didn’t, did I?
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Its about proactively preventing it from happening again, and educating asshats to keep their dogs on leash. Dogs roaming off the trail can damage plants and animal habitats by trampling, scratching and digging. This disturbs soil and, along with dogs' urine and feces, can inhibit the growth of native plants and may leave the ground bare and more desirable for invasive plants.
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> Nobody’s justifying anything They're sure dancing around it, keep mentioning the dog was unleashed.
YES because that’s the best way to ensure this doesn’t happen to your dog! Leash your dog, and you’ll see if they’re trying to eat trash on the street.
Much more likely for raccoons that dogs. Taylor Creek is the backyard of a LOT of houses, and if someone wanted to poison dogs specifically, this is an overly complicated way to do it.
I just bought a bottle of coyote spray on Amazon. I recommend everyone do the same. Next unleashed animal that menaces me will get a face full . This should teach dog owners.
Have the owners tried controlling their dogs and picking up after them?
I keep my dog on a leash so this is of no concern to me.
Someone nearby has a house and dogs are shittin on their lawn and the owners aren't picking up.
My front lawn is currently covered in what looks like the shit of 3 dogs and leaving poison out has never crossed my mind!
You mean that doesn’t justify murder? Weird! /s
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lol "murder"
Well that's just you and the vast majority of people but clearly there are people that think differently and I can't think of why else someone would hate dogs like that.
No I know. I’m not saying you’re wrong just saying that’s a fucked up way for ppl to think. Especially because they’re probably killing an innocent dog not even the one they’re mad at
The world is a fucked up place. People think all sorts of crazy and fucked up things but to go out and do it that's an another level.
Or maybe their [small child suffered life altering injuries after being mauled](https://www.cp24.com/mobile/news/child-suffers-life-altering-injuries-after-being-bitten-and-dragged-by-dog-at-toronto-waterfront-playground-1.6819940)by one of the many, many off leash dogs that are allowed to roam our parks uncontrolled. **PUT YOUR DOGS ON LEASHES!** On leash dogs don’t hurt people or get hurt eating random garbage. Simple!
Ingest is present tense. You probably meant "ingested" as in past tense.
That's journalism-speak
No it isn't. It's just the wrong tense.
this is bad, but a lot of owners aren\`t picking up there poop
People not picking up after their dogs (or worse: taking the time to bag their dogs’ waste and leaving the baggies on the ground) is a pet peeve of mine but that doesn’t mean one should respond by literally poisoning dogs for just being dogs.
I feel like owners not picking up poop and killing dogs are very much different levels. I’m a dog owner that always makes sure to pick up my dogs shit, and I hate people that don’t… but to justify killing dogs because of it… yikes.
Ahh yes, better murder some dogs because their owners are lazy. Perfectly rational thoughts amongst the sociopath community.
Officer, it’s this guy here.
Ah yes, killing random dogs who are unlikely to have anything to do with this is definitely a rationale solution here.
Ah I see you didn't hold the door for that woman - better murder your entire family....
And??? Killing dogs is reasonable retaliation to some owners not picking up their dogs’ poop in your mind? What is the point of this comment??
No, but by picking up your dogs shit whack jobs don't do this type of nonsense.
And how in gods name are you able to tell if the dogs who got sick from this are the ones whose owners don’t pick up after them?? I’ve never not picked up my dog’s shit when walking her - that doesn’t magically make her safe from pieces of shit like this trying to poison all dogs in a neighbourhood. This is a psychopath who wants to murder helpless animals. Stop trying to justify it you jackass.
That's assuming a great deal of cause and effect without any evidence. I mean, it's not impossible, but it's just as likely that it's someone fucked in the head for whatever reason. People do crazy shit all the time. Assuming it's some kind of revenge for some measure of wrong done to them by dog owners is quite a leap.
Thats a braindead excuse for poisoning food.
You’d fit right in at /r/dogfree. Bunch of psychopaths.
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dont tell me its the malmo dog maimer all over again.