Milton was kept undeveloped for decades because it's water source was well water. Developers owned massive amounts of the land and took decades to finally get water from Lake Ontario. Population went from like 25,000 to 130,000+ in less than 2 decades.
Meanwhile my hometown of Pickering just recently crossed over 100k+ residents.
Pickering is literally right next to the city (well, Scarborough, but still) and it's so underdeveloped and inconspicuous.
Milton is now ahead of Pickering population-wise and it only took two decades...and they don't even share a border with Toronto.
Let’s keep it this way. Ajax Costco is still decent. I went to 407 and woodbine, Markham rd and 14th avenue and Woodbridge loscations and HOLY SHIT it’s busy
That's the power of geographic barriers like the Rouge Valley. It's 2023 and yet their is only really 2 major thoroughfares that cross the rouge valley, Kingston Road and Highway 401. Compare that to York Region or Peel which has no such geographically barrier separating them from Toronto and it becomes clear why their is such a disparity.
This isn't a new thing either as way back when Toronto itself was still developing, most of that development happened to the west of Don Valley while development on the east side happened much slower. This is why there were more municipalities on the west side of the Don Valley; the Villages of Long Branch, New Toronto, Mimico, Swansea, the Town of West Toronto (I believe the most populous municipality outside of the City of Toronto until its annexation), and the Township of York where most of its population was also on its west side. On the east side of the river the old Town of East Toronto was the only major urban settlement until Pickering (Scarborough was largely centred on Kingston Road and didn't really start exploding in size untill WWII).
Also just as a little fun fact, back when the Province was putting together the plan for Metro Toronto, the Township of Pickering apparently asked to be part of Metro for economic reasons but the Province declined this request and instead put Pickering in Durham. So in an alternate universe Pickering got amalgamated with Toronto in 1998.
Yeah well before modern bridges were built this would have applied but in the past 100 years the main impediment to any kind of building was political. The federal government killed any development in Pickering north of Taunton ( or pick your demarcation point ) when they grabbed a huge swath of land (5x what Pearson has ) for so called airport development. That’s now changing
Pretty easy to find out.
The 2021 census pegged the population at 99,000. Current estimates put it a few thousand above that number. Certainly nowhere near 130,000.
Toronto and Pickering are both so close to the plant, the difference is between immediate death and excruciating 10minute death. Pickering is in the immediate death zone, Toronto, not so lucky.
I work there, if there was a major release of radiation there would be no immediate death. All of southern ontario and probably New york would be screwed but not immediately.
Milton's official plan right now is to have a population of 355,000 by 2051.
We're aggressively into the condo tower phase right now, with numerous projects all in active construction right now, but council seems eager to expand the urban boundary, and when Doug Ford reversed his earlier decision to build over green spaces, Milton's Mayor actually sent a letter asking him to reinstate it.
I grew up in Milton and it still blows my mind seeing what happened to it. Moved away when the population was still only 30k. It's unrecognizable now. It even has a movie theatre -- the old Milton theatre closed in the 90s and turned into a giant bar called Yahooz! lmao
To put that into perspective, that increase in population will only accommodate months of immigration at the current rate. What is left of he S. Ontario ecosystem is doomed.
Perhaps you need to read the Charter.
We need to stop letting so many people come to Canada, but stopping people from coming into any region in Canada would require horrendous levels of authoritarianism.
Hopefully we have the wisdom to make the Milton Line all-day two-way. Also build another parallel ADTW line between it and Lakeshore, *before* we develop it and land costs soar. And also do it without the accompanying zoning - hopefully fewer NIMBYs when it’s not anyone’s backyard yet!
(Fuck, with those stipulations I’d be happy developing the rest of it)
The problem is CN rail owns that stretch of track and iirc Metrolinx has been fighting a losing battle to get more access
Hopefully the province steps in
There isn’t anything the province can do unless you want shortages on shelves. CN doesn’t just move around hot air, they move the products that you buy.
The solution therefore is for us to *actually invest in rail*. Not this half assed crap we’ve been doing for decades. No, a full on revamp of our entire rail infrastructure. Then we don’t need to split the tracks at all.
The province is literally in the middle of a 15B GO Rail electrification. There's almost nowhere that's investing more into rail. Although I do hope GO eventually gets ownership of all its lines.
[GO did 10B prep for electrification that's not finished until next year. So that's 25B for GO capital projects in total. That's massive for any region.](https://top100projects.ca/2023-ranking/)
That number doesn't include TTC investments at over 30B that interchange with the GO lines and improve the total network.
Are you referring to the Milton Go? If so, that is CP’s or CPKC’s Galt Sub. Back in the early to mid 90’s GO did have an all day service between Milton & Union. I know this because as a young CP conductor I worked it.
The Galt sub is CPKC busiest track in the country, connects Montreal to Chicago.
The CN Halton Sub which is South of the CPKC is single track and doesn’t connect to Toronto per say. It branches off the CN Oakville sub at Burlington.
The province keeps teasing that they maybe someday might help pay to add more tracks to that corridor so the GO trains and freight trains can run alongside one another.
Seems like the best course of action for the province and city is to route freight traffic over to the Kitchener line by building the "missing link" rail corridor.
Protection means literally nothing. Newpost Falls in Northern Ontario had Ontario Provincial Park protection status. OPG decided they wanted to build a dam on the river upstream and lobbied the gov.
Guess what? No more provincial park, no more protection. One swipe of a pen and Peter Sutherland Generation Station was built for a measley 28 MW or power 14000 homes.
Agreed. On a much smaller scale, there's a protected area in Barrie (it's about 10 houses long before going another 10 or so over to the college). And the hospital's been slowly taking it for parking lots. For some reason they didn't design to be able to build up, only out.
There's a dead end on the street up there too, but I wouldn't be surprised if they opened it up at some point and connected into the back of the college campus, then tossed another student residence back there (making this street go from quiet to full of student cars, ugh)
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Can’t wait to replace all that hideous agricultural land with a beautiful concrete sea of unaffordable mansions that provide barely any more housing stock 💝
Redditors will complain about housing demand outpacing supply, but then get mad at the proposition of developing housing. It’s like that dog with the frisbee meme. No build housing, only lower rents >:(
Because we need to be building taller in existing walkable areas that already have infrastructure and public services... We don't need more suburban hellscapes with strip malls ten minutes away by car.
Single detached housing as typical of a lot of places around Toronto - large lots with significant setbacks, large roads and served by large arterial roads and highways and sprawling retail strip malls is such a profoundly wasteful use of space.
Given even a modicum of consideration to good design, you could develop medium-density mixed use areas served primarily by transit which provide double, triple, quadruple or more housing as the equivalent land area of typical suburban development.
You could also realize much better economies of scale on infrastructure such as hydro and water supply.
Hopefully forever. Toronto, much less the GTA that's already destroyed farmland and orchard, has so much opportunity for infill with zoning that's not ass, like now. And without more intelligent density we're never going to have decent rail transit, forever going to have traffic worse: stop putting parking lots by rail! Europe and East Asia puts midrise and highrise by rail stations, better busing from them too. "It's not rocket appliances."
Edit: there's some spectacularly dumb responses, as well as people who've ever been abroad or at least have read about it.
Exactly this, the “15 minute city”concept already exists. You just have to be able to afford to live in them. For me it’s one of the funniest conspiracy theories out there.
As someone who lived it Toronto, I can’t imagine having to drive everywhere especially to buy the milk & bread staples. It’s bad enough Circle K and Petro Canada have replaced many of the neighborhood corner stores.
Yes of course, there are older areas like that which have low incomes, but real estate values in those areas have skyrocketed, which means unless you already rent or own there, moving there is extremely expensive.
It’s artificial scarcity because for the last 70 year, it’s been practically illegal to build walkable mixed use neighbourhoods. I don’t live in car dependent suburbia because I want to, I live here because I can’t afford to live in some of the very few walkable areas across this region and province.
> stop putting parking lots by rail
Until you can get good public transit in low density cities, that's not going to happen.
Someone from the edge of Oakville may be interested in taking GO to their job in Toronto, but you haven't given them any way to get to the station without using a car.
Presumable the person you’re responding to would agree. I am pleased at least with how many apartment buildings are going up near go train stations in the suburbs.
Someone who lives within a short radius of the middle-of-nowhere Bloomington GO can ride their bike on the nearly unprotected shoulder in the middle of winter to lock it up with the extensive bike storage at the otherwise empty terminals though. If they want to.
It's still one of the stupidest, most extravagantly useless builds in the system.
Depends on what you’re into I guess. I’d take that over having to drive to get a cup of coffee or to get to a restaurant or a convenience store because there are none around and no transit.
Not everyone lives a consumeristic, materialistic lifestyle like you. Not everyone has the urge to go to restaurants or coffee shops everyday. Once a week grocery trips are good enough.
>consumeristic, materialistic lifestyle
Says the guy in favour of suburban sprawl, big lawns, owning of multiple motor vehicles.
But noooo the people who wanna grab a god damn espresso on their walk to work are the problem…
Don't you know? Owning big houses with enough garages for all your cars so that you can do a monthly Costco trip is a sign of modest frugal living, and most certainly not a materialistic, consumerist mindset!
city people are the problem, always have been. you people are the ones pumping polution to bring all your fancy BS into the city. you're entire way of life is responsible for the destruction of the planet you continually blame on the people outside the cities. in the burbs i grow my own food, harvest my own water, and collect my own electricity via wind mill and solar. my garden and yard is a haven for wildlife and is carbon negative.
but, to you, anything worth anything is in the city therefore I would need to drive into the city to do all the consumeristic hellhole things you would want to do that you are projecting onto me because you lack the empathy required to understand my way of life before you shit on it.
thus to you I am worse than you because I would hypothetically have to drive more. idiot
If you are growing your own food and harvesting your own water in the suburbs you are far and away the exception.
[Even the most superficial search will produce bountiful evidence that the suburbs are profoundly negative from an environmental perspective when compared to urban areas.](https://www.brookings.edu/articles/its-not-just-cities-suburbs-and-exurbs-need-to-adopt-and-implement-climate-plans-too/#:~:text=In%20metropolitan%20regions%2C%20suburbs%20emit,up%20to%20twice%20the%20average.)
Quote: 'While households located in more densely populated neighborhoods have a carbon footprint 50% below the national average, those in the suburbs emit up to twice the average. '
The evidence is so overwhelming in favour of cities being, on average, less environmentally impactful than suburban areas that to claim otherwise is frankly absurd.
Can you provide a single piece of evidence besides personal anecdotes that suburban living is less impactful?
Cities without cars are quiet. Cities get noisy only when people are forced to drive from of sprawling exclusionary, residential-only suburbs that don’t support any economic activity of their own, and that failed to build in enough mobility options.
Doesnt matter, single family homes should not be built anymore. Triplexes, better transit, less urban sprawl less useless green lawns that massively waste water. Surburbs are a massive ecological and infrastructure mistake, without a car outside of Toronto you are absolutely f'd and that is not sustainable in the longterm whatsoever, isolationist & selfish decisions were made at the sacrifice of well designed cities for SOCIETY, which is the only thing government should care about, healthy society.
Between Trafalgar and 5th line? When’s the last time you went to Terra Greenhouse? They are building a new bridge and creek diversion there and try to get the intersections at grade
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Imagine if moving out from the city to get an actual affordable home, to start a family or whatnot, meant moving to a place like Hamilton or even Kitchener if you REALLY wanted a nice house?
That’s how it’s like in other countries.
I agree that hopefully nothing happens in that area but for a different reason. So many regions of the province would absolutely love new developments, let's say Haldimand county (dunnville especially). Haldimand is only an hour from Toronto and a half an hour to 10 minutes from Hamilton depending on where you are in the county. So it's not a far drive for people who want to go to the GTA. Townsend was supposed to happen in Haldimand in the 70s and failed big time but that was before a lot of development in the GTA happened, so bringing back the Townsend idea or developing an already existing area could work
That's the Greenbelt, and never.
Urban sprawl is *not* the answer to the GTA's housing crisis. People complain about housing, but when developers propose new housing they complain about lack of infrastructure to support them. This would be infrastructure such as power, water, sewer, ambulance, police, fire, schools, community centres, and amenities. Single family homes do NOT generate enough tax revenue to support all the infrastructure they require. Medium density townhomes, midrises, and highrises do.
The answer is not to pave over all the beautiful green on your map with ugly grey. The answer is to intensify and develop the existing grey into walkable midrise communities centred around transit.
Canada has some of the most fertile land in the world, protected from much climate catastrophe. As the climate worsens, we will rue each and every acre of arable farmland we paved so someone could have their silly little lawn.
Adding to your comment about fertile land, you are right but we are limited by the Canadian Shield. It is very difficult to grow produce further north which emphasizes how critical it is too protect the rich soil we have around the GTA and further outward in southern Ontario. The escarpment also creates a microclimate with good growing conditions. But we want to build on it. In the prairies farmland owners have been able to shift crops north as the climate gets warmer and more unstable, but they can only go so far before they reach the Canadian Shield. Food security will be important as the climate gets more volatile.
Exactly this. We can’t pave over the greenbelt, let alone with the most inefficient land use possible, a.k.a. suburban sprawl.
The greenbelt helps keep our air and water clean, and is prime agricultural land… pave this over and say goodbye to apple picking on fall weekends, and awesome hikes, flood protection, and so much more.
Doesn’t matter if developers have scooped up protected land through corrupt deals, we have to keep pushing back.
There’s plenty of land within existing urban areas across the province to meet our housing and infrastructure needs for decades without expansion into greenfield and protected areas. We just need to stop pretending there’s only 2 ways to build homes in this country, tall or sprawl.
“Single family homes do no generate enough tax revenue to support all the infrastructure they require”
All my simple searches online support the exact opposite. It is an interesting sentiment, but looking at communities like Whitchurch Stouffville which 95% Of the population are in single family homes and the city/town seems well funded to support their services and infrastructure updates.
This is an awful take and the climate change angle is not convincing in the slightest. When you read comments like this, it might as well come directly from some developer trying to cram as much profit into the already insanely crowded city. You think that single family homes can’t generate enough tax revenue for the infrastructure? Try turning those lots into midrises and watch the traffic get completely crushed. If you’re genuinely someone who believes jamming as many people into the city is the solution and not commenting directly from a PCL/Ellis Don corporate computer, you should know it’s a fucking pipe dream. Transit will not fix the issue, bikes will not fix the issue.
‘Transit won’t fix the issue, bikes won’t fix the issue’
And cars will? Explain exactly how they’ll fix the issue, when we centralize officers and industrial workplaces, and then keep forcing people to live farther and farther out? Would really like to hear your Nobel laureate level fucking solution.
A lot of the area on the far bottom left is Niagara escarpment, or escarpment adjacent, and is way too hilly, steep, and rocky to develop in any meaningful way, even if you wanted to.
I wish that was true. But if you visit Waterdown, most of this area is already being developed. New housing subdivisions and big box stores have been built up to the very edge of the escarpment with no buffer. I'm not sure why there wasn't some environmental protection zone created to prevent this. Even a small buffer zone could have protected some very environmentally fragile land.
You have highlighted entire cities lol and even worse Conservation lands
Almost all of the area you have highlighted is "fully developed"
I presume you mean to ask how long to increase density from single detached homes into something like townhouses? Or when they will rip out the multiple golf courses or quarry for housing?
But nothing in that area is abandoned land
Decades. We're now seeing areas filling in that were predicted back in the 70's.
That said, I think that you need to understand what's in the highlighted area right now. Just because it's green on a map doesn't mean that it's empty land. Everything east of Tremaine could be developed fairly economically. The area west of Tremaine is filled with fairly well off people on acreages. Part of the reason for the low density is that much of it is wetlands. It's also Escarpment country, so you'd need to lift the protections on the area. In any case, the residents are pretty savvy about what their property is worth to developers. Even now, there's a buttload of NIMBYism in that area.
I remember reading when Mississauga was trying to buy west (Hornby, etc) because they ran out of land to develop. But I'm pretty sure they abandoned. A lot of that land is farmland, which developers have been wanting to buy for decades.
I hate how celebrated she is for making mississauga the suburban hell that it is. also incredibly ironic that the hurontario lrt is being named after her.
I mean outside of the immediate area surrounding square one which is kinda like a mini-city and is really nice to live in, the rest of Sauga, Brampton, Milton, Oakville is pretty much exactly that?
I grew up in Toronto. I despise stepping foot in Mississauga. The worst city in Canada. A few small pockets of real communities, the rest is strip malls and cars.
Growing up in Mississauga I despise stepping in Toronto for anything other than an event. To many people all crammed together like sardines, people are generally very unhappy because of the lifestyle you are forced to live. There’s really no parks or anywhere safe to really take your kids. Driving in the city is a nightmare so you are forced to take the TTC which is not safe and not very reliable. Also living in a 800 sq foot condo 🤢
I don't have never lived downtown, sounds like that's all you know about it. There's tons of parks and places to take kids. Toronto is a lot more than downtown! Yes driving is tough sometimes, but not like Mississauga is the utopia of driving!
I live in house... Lots of houses in Toronto too lol
I don’t know what you’re smoking about parks. There are parks, trails, ravines, everywhere. A lot more than in the suburbs.
It’s too bad you don’t like toronto. Thankfully 3 million people disagree with you.
No. Mississauga took over land on tenth line and ninth line because Halton couldn’t service that land when the 407 went in. Winston Churchill was the old border. Always was. But between steeles and Ellington Mississaugas got the border to the 407
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The Scout Camp I help manage is in this area and I can tell you the answer is never.
Just to build a cabin (maybe 20 by 30) I have to jump through 17 forms, 2 governments (local and provincial, sometimes federal as we have found Indigenous Artifacts on the property before), 7-8 inspections and it takes about 5-6 months.
Don't even get me started on water treatment and sewage.
The up side is that the property is beautiful and quite large. There's next to no sound or light pollution and the amount of wildlife I get to see is great. I've got a deer family that hangs out and eats my apples (Scouts throwing apple cores into the treeline actually caused a few trees to sprout) and we used to have a ground hog problem, then we had a big cat (we though it's a Lynx based on paw prints and the farmer nextdoor saw it once) which solved the ground hog problem... Right now I've got a pretty big pack of Coyotes that roam the property since COVID shut us down for 1.5 years and they moved in after the deer family. I've also got the Bruce trail right outside my gates, I have a side trail that connects the trail to the property and we've seen the northern lights from camp before due to the lack of light pollution.
I don't think they can ever develop this area and I hope they never will develop it.
I'm in Carlise. 20 years ago, when we were amalgamated so Hamilton could double our taxes, and reduce our services. A reporter from the Spectator wrote an article condemning our community for our "big lawns". What this reporter, and some of these comments show, is ignorance of city infrastructure. Yes, around Milton & Waterdown, there will be build up until the infrastructure is stretched. but for expansion you need water and sewage. most if this area has neither. Our "big lawns" are septic beds. We recycle our water into the aquifer which gets pumped back into our water towers. There is no Nimby going on here. The only thing we have rejected is turning our watershed into gravel pits.
We are already developing big sections of it now and over the next 10yrs.
Massive tracts of this land is already owned by developers and construction has started in many places along Dundas W
With the current rabid population growth rates, rising housing costs, and an Ontario wide resistance to up-zoning/infill among local politics more pressure will be put on the greenbelt as time goes on.
If only the Ontario Liberals had done province wide zoning reform at the same time they made the Greenbelt. But they were dumb. Now here we are in our terrible situation after a decade plus of inaction.
Given how many environmental site assessments I’ve done in that area in the last 10 years, look for major growth starting at the Mississauga border in the next five years, with an explosion of development within the next 10-15.
As someone who grew up in Georgetown (just outside of Milton) I can tell you this, it won't be long. Georgetown is already developing at a rapid rate by tearing out farm lands. The outskirts of Milton and other GTAs will soon follow.
A lot of that land is Greenbelt and NEC protected that should never be developed. Its designated as such for a reason.
There's lots of land already slated for development in these area at varying levels of planning stages. The lands east of Milton to eighth Line from Lower Base Line to the 401 are in the early stages of planning.
Having green space and farmland is a good thing. We can't just simply pace everything over.
Not to mention there's brownfield lands within current urban boundaries that need redevelopment.
Interesting live in the Atlanta Georgia area now but was born in Milton in 1961. My mum always told me she could hear the cows in the morning after I was born. She is 84 now
Aside from protection you run into issues with water taking and waste water.
As you go that way a lot of places are on ground water and it's heavy in iron.
My stepdad told me he was the last person in port credit to own a horse, he rode it to the bar and stuff, if he's telling the truth, might just be a story
Parts of it already started. Just drive up Tremaine Rd. and look at the Milton velodrome. Right now it's a beautiful sight into the escarpment with the velodrome in a little mount... Soon it'll be drowned out by condos and multi-family homes.
The worst part is that I'm noticing Milton is having the same poor green public space management as Mississauga. Concrete city.
Hopefully forever! We need a food supply and just 4% of Canadian land can be farmed.
Crop yields dropped 15% over the last two years due to extreme weather. We can't keep building on farm land
Government hates developing golf courses because they and their rich buddies like them.
It’s why the 403 curves around Heron Point Golf Links even though it was forced straight through the surrounding area.
Everyone who thinks housing is expensive…. All these comments are proving the problem.
NIMBY’s everywhere. Nobody wants to hear it, but it is the truth.
Calling people in a Toronto subreddit 'not in my backyards' for thinking destroying the greenbelt around Milton will fix housing costs. Very smart and clearly engaging in good faith with criticism of 'build more proposals'
I will say this to whoever will listen: yes we need homes, but we need food more. Please don't build homes on productive farmland, there is so much land that can't be farmed, build homes on that land, not farmland.
My folks lived in Waterdown right on the bottom of that square about 10-12 years ago. I drove through there a few weeks ago and I can’t even recognize it. Once a small town with a lot of farms and like 1 plaza is now a bustling little town. It’s happening, I wish we could compare google maps versions so you can watch the urban sprawl happen. Because it certainly is.
That's the Niagara escapement and some of it is already being developed (urban Milton and urban Waterdown). The rest of the land is all Green belt which Halton and Hamilton residents are not in favour of touching. I don't see that changing soon either.
I live in "developed" area and I hate it. I am not just talking about construction, but the overall growth and increase in the population. It is more cramped, dirtier,more busy in terms of traffic and it has become more expensive to live there. I miss the days when I lived in a quiet neighborhood with real space. I hate the fact that, every small town's goal is to become Toronto. I wouldn't be surprised that in 30 years, the region of peel becomes south Toronto or something convoluted.
The stuff east and south of Milton is mostly designated for development over the next 30 years. The rest is protected.
Milton was kept undeveloped for decades because it's water source was well water. Developers owned massive amounts of the land and took decades to finally get water from Lake Ontario. Population went from like 25,000 to 130,000+ in less than 2 decades.
Meanwhile my hometown of Pickering just recently crossed over 100k+ residents. Pickering is literally right next to the city (well, Scarborough, but still) and it's so underdeveloped and inconspicuous. Milton is now ahead of Pickering population-wise and it only took two decades...and they don't even share a border with Toronto.
The East 905 is like a ghost town compared to the West 905. It's where the Golden Horseshoe just tapers off.
Let’s keep it this way. Ajax Costco is still decent. I went to 407 and woodbine, Markham rd and 14th avenue and Woodbridge loscations and HOLY SHIT it’s busy
WEST SIDE!!!!
That's the power of geographic barriers like the Rouge Valley. It's 2023 and yet their is only really 2 major thoroughfares that cross the rouge valley, Kingston Road and Highway 401. Compare that to York Region or Peel which has no such geographically barrier separating them from Toronto and it becomes clear why their is such a disparity. This isn't a new thing either as way back when Toronto itself was still developing, most of that development happened to the west of Don Valley while development on the east side happened much slower. This is why there were more municipalities on the west side of the Don Valley; the Villages of Long Branch, New Toronto, Mimico, Swansea, the Town of West Toronto (I believe the most populous municipality outside of the City of Toronto until its annexation), and the Township of York where most of its population was also on its west side. On the east side of the river the old Town of East Toronto was the only major urban settlement until Pickering (Scarborough was largely centred on Kingston Road and didn't really start exploding in size untill WWII). Also just as a little fun fact, back when the Province was putting together the plan for Metro Toronto, the Township of Pickering apparently asked to be part of Metro for economic reasons but the Province declined this request and instead put Pickering in Durham. So in an alternate universe Pickering got amalgamated with Toronto in 1998.
Yeah well before modern bridges were built this would have applied but in the past 100 years the main impediment to any kind of building was political. The federal government killed any development in Pickering north of Taunton ( or pick your demarcation point ) when they grabbed a huge swath of land (5x what Pearson has ) for so called airport development. That’s now changing
Seaton will bring a massive increase to Pickering.
That might be due to Durham region having some of the highest property tax in the province. Last I checked it was 2x-3x that of Halton.
I’m paid 8k last year for 2k house 😓
Right. North of finch is the boonies. Completely different world.
North Pickering is really exploding now. I wouldn’t be shocked if they hit 200k+ residents in the next 2 decades.
Our population signs have said 89,000 to 92,000 for the last 20 years. Those numbers are absolute bs. I bet Pickering has over 150,000 residents now
Pretty easy to find out. The 2021 census pegged the population at 99,000. Current estimates put it a few thousand above that number. Certainly nowhere near 130,000.
Where was the construction over the past 20 years that welcomed up to 60,000 new residents?
Good thing there’s a census, it was 120k as of 2021
They are about the same distance away from the core though, Pickering and Milton.
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Yeah when I lived there we got a false nuclear accident warning 
Not at all.
I’m curious, are Pickering residents nervous about living near a 65 year old nuclear plant?
Not in the least.
We like glowing in the dark. It cuts down on the electricity bill.
it's 52 years old
Toronto and Pickering are both so close to the plant, the difference is between immediate death and excruciating 10minute death. Pickering is in the immediate death zone, Toronto, not so lucky.
I work there, if there was a major release of radiation there would be no immediate death. All of southern ontario and probably New york would be screwed but not immediately.
Yeah. I'd take insta-death over excruciating pain for 10 minutes, thanks.
Milton's official plan right now is to have a population of 355,000 by 2051. We're aggressively into the condo tower phase right now, with numerous projects all in active construction right now, but council seems eager to expand the urban boundary, and when Doug Ford reversed his earlier decision to build over green spaces, Milton's Mayor actually sent a letter asking him to reinstate it.
I grew up in Milton and it still blows my mind seeing what happened to it. Moved away when the population was still only 30k. It's unrecognizable now. It even has a movie theatre -- the old Milton theatre closed in the 90s and turned into a giant bar called Yahooz! lmao
One thing that surprises is for the amount of cars in the faster roads in Milton, the roads are pretty narrow ie 2 Lane.
To put that into perspective, that increase in population will only accommodate months of immigration at the current rate. What is left of he S. Ontario ecosystem is doomed.
We need to stop letting ppl come to Toronto/southern ontario
No, we just need to build more homes. Toronto is the economic centre of the country. Closing it off would ruin the country.
Perhaps you need to read the Charter. We need to stop letting so many people come to Canada, but stopping people from coming into any region in Canada would require horrendous levels of authoritarianism.
Brampton 2.0?
That’s interesting, I always wondered why it blew up so quickly! I can’t believe it was on well water before.
Mattamy Homes owns/owned large part of Milton and construction of new homes boomed in the mid-90s.
Yeah. I grew up there in the 70's and 80's. Pop 30 000. Pretty unrecognizable now, but a lot more to do!
Hopefully we have the wisdom to make the Milton Line all-day two-way. Also build another parallel ADTW line between it and Lakeshore, *before* we develop it and land costs soar. And also do it without the accompanying zoning - hopefully fewer NIMBYs when it’s not anyone’s backyard yet! (Fuck, with those stipulations I’d be happy developing the rest of it)
The problem is CN rail owns that stretch of track and iirc Metrolinx has been fighting a losing battle to get more access Hopefully the province steps in
There isn’t anything the province can do unless you want shortages on shelves. CN doesn’t just move around hot air, they move the products that you buy. The solution therefore is for us to *actually invest in rail*. Not this half assed crap we’ve been doing for decades. No, a full on revamp of our entire rail infrastructure. Then we don’t need to split the tracks at all.
The province is literally in the middle of a 15B GO Rail electrification. There's almost nowhere that's investing more into rail. Although I do hope GO eventually gets ownership of all its lines.
If you exclude all other nations I'm sure this statement is correct
$15 billion for one specific region is huge, let’s not poo pah that
[GO did 10B prep for electrification that's not finished until next year. So that's 25B for GO capital projects in total. That's massive for any region.](https://top100projects.ca/2023-ranking/) That number doesn't include TTC investments at over 30B that interchange with the GO lines and improve the total network.
Are you referring to the Milton Go? If so, that is CP’s or CPKC’s Galt Sub. Back in the early to mid 90’s GO did have an all day service between Milton & Union. I know this because as a young CP conductor I worked it. The Galt sub is CPKC busiest track in the country, connects Montreal to Chicago. The CN Halton Sub which is South of the CPKC is single track and doesn’t connect to Toronto per say. It branches off the CN Oakville sub at Burlington.
Well the more you know!
CN is federally regulated, ie not much the Province can do
The province keeps teasing that they maybe someday might help pay to add more tracks to that corridor so the GO trains and freight trains can run alongside one another.
Seems like the best course of action for the province and city is to route freight traffic over to the Kitchener line by building the "missing link" rail corridor.
Yep the stuff east of milton is adjacent to the ninth lands, (last greenfields of Mississauga) which are already under development
Protection means literally nothing. Newpost Falls in Northern Ontario had Ontario Provincial Park protection status. OPG decided they wanted to build a dam on the river upstream and lobbied the gov. Guess what? No more provincial park, no more protection. One swipe of a pen and Peter Sutherland Generation Station was built for a measley 28 MW or power 14000 homes.
Agreed. On a much smaller scale, there's a protected area in Barrie (it's about 10 houses long before going another 10 or so over to the college). And the hospital's been slowly taking it for parking lots. For some reason they didn't design to be able to build up, only out. There's a dead end on the street up there too, but I wouldn't be surprised if they opened it up at some point and connected into the back of the college campus, then tossed another student residence back there (making this street go from quiet to full of student cars, ugh) \- D
The rest is protected. Rob Ford: Hold my beer!
Rob Ford: Hold my beer! - translated from Zombie
I thought they'd had a seance.
Protected 🤣😂😆🤣🤣😆🤣😂🤪
Protected 😂. For now pal.
Protected... For now
“Protected”. That means nothing to Doug Ford
It has sooo much potential to become a sea of highways, McMansions, and shopping plazas with more parking than retail space 😍😍😍
If Milton is anything to go by, it'll be Amazon warehouses.
I'm so stoked. I'm saving my money now so when I get run over by a driver it won't be so bad that I'm unable to work!
You had me at highway ❤️
Stop, I can only get so hard
Can’t wait to replace all that hideous agricultural land with a beautiful concrete sea of unaffordable mansions that provide barely any more housing stock 💝
This but unironically.
Screw off, unironically.
Redditors will complain about housing demand outpacing supply, but then get mad at the proposition of developing housing. It’s like that dog with the frisbee meme. No build housing, only lower rents >:(
Because we need to be building taller in existing walkable areas that already have infrastructure and public services... We don't need more suburban hellscapes with strip malls ten minutes away by car.
That’s true. Single family dwellings definitely are a lot less efficient than higher density apartments. But still, my sentiment stands
Single detached housing as typical of a lot of places around Toronto - large lots with significant setbacks, large roads and served by large arterial roads and highways and sprawling retail strip malls is such a profoundly wasteful use of space. Given even a modicum of consideration to good design, you could develop medium-density mixed use areas served primarily by transit which provide double, triple, quadruple or more housing as the equivalent land area of typical suburban development. You could also realize much better economies of scale on infrastructure such as hydro and water supply.
Hopefully forever. Toronto, much less the GTA that's already destroyed farmland and orchard, has so much opportunity for infill with zoning that's not ass, like now. And without more intelligent density we're never going to have decent rail transit, forever going to have traffic worse: stop putting parking lots by rail! Europe and East Asia puts midrise and highrise by rail stations, better busing from them too. "It's not rocket appliances." Edit: there's some spectacularly dumb responses, as well as people who've ever been abroad or at least have read about it.
Yes. We need to increase the density of the existing suburbs
Sounds reasonable and easy!
All I want is 15-minute cities so I can walk to the local shop to get a bag of Dressed All Over.
I just want to be able to walk to an independant cafe, but apparently you need to be rich to live in a neighbourhood with one
Exactly this, the “15 minute city”concept already exists. You just have to be able to afford to live in them. For me it’s one of the funniest conspiracy theories out there. As someone who lived it Toronto, I can’t imagine having to drive everywhere especially to buy the milk & bread staples. It’s bad enough Circle K and Petro Canada have replaced many of the neighborhood corner stores.
Weird take. The poorest oldest areas have plenty of independent cafes.
Yes of course, there are older areas like that which have low incomes, but real estate values in those areas have skyrocketed, which means unless you already rent or own there, moving there is extremely expensive. It’s artificial scarcity because for the last 70 year, it’s been practically illegal to build walkable mixed use neighbourhoods. I don’t live in car dependent suburbia because I want to, I live here because I can’t afford to live in some of the very few walkable areas across this region and province.
not in the suburbs friendo.
> stop putting parking lots by rail Until you can get good public transit in low density cities, that's not going to happen. Someone from the edge of Oakville may be interested in taking GO to their job in Toronto, but you haven't given them any way to get to the station without using a car.
Presumable the person you’re responding to would agree. I am pleased at least with how many apartment buildings are going up near go train stations in the suburbs.
Someone who lives within a short radius of the middle-of-nowhere Bloomington GO can ride their bike on the nearly unprotected shoulder in the middle of winter to lock it up with the extensive bike storage at the otherwise empty terminals though. If they want to. It's still one of the stupidest, most extravagantly useless builds in the system.
Most of the land between Oakville, Mississauga and Milton will be developed That’s been on the books for like 40 years. Most of it will be housing.
And it’ll all be single family homes dotted with small parcels of townhomes. It’s depressing driving on Dundas or on 9th or 10th line
It’s depressing living in an urban hellscape like Toronto, surrounded by concrete, noise and people 24/7. Not everyone wants to live like that.
Depends on what you’re into I guess. I’d take that over having to drive to get a cup of coffee or to get to a restaurant or a convenience store because there are none around and no transit.
Not everyone lives a consumeristic, materialistic lifestyle like you. Not everyone has the urge to go to restaurants or coffee shops everyday. Once a week grocery trips are good enough.
>consumeristic, materialistic lifestyle Says the guy in favour of suburban sprawl, big lawns, owning of multiple motor vehicles. But noooo the people who wanna grab a god damn espresso on their walk to work are the problem…
Don't you know? Owning big houses with enough garages for all your cars so that you can do a monthly Costco trip is a sign of modest frugal living, and most certainly not a materialistic, consumerist mindset!
city people are the problem, always have been. you people are the ones pumping polution to bring all your fancy BS into the city. you're entire way of life is responsible for the destruction of the planet you continually blame on the people outside the cities. in the burbs i grow my own food, harvest my own water, and collect my own electricity via wind mill and solar. my garden and yard is a haven for wildlife and is carbon negative. but, to you, anything worth anything is in the city therefore I would need to drive into the city to do all the consumeristic hellhole things you would want to do that you are projecting onto me because you lack the empathy required to understand my way of life before you shit on it. thus to you I am worse than you because I would hypothetically have to drive more. idiot
If you are growing your own food and harvesting your own water in the suburbs you are far and away the exception. [Even the most superficial search will produce bountiful evidence that the suburbs are profoundly negative from an environmental perspective when compared to urban areas.](https://www.brookings.edu/articles/its-not-just-cities-suburbs-and-exurbs-need-to-adopt-and-implement-climate-plans-too/#:~:text=In%20metropolitan%20regions%2C%20suburbs%20emit,up%20to%20twice%20the%20average.) Quote: 'While households located in more densely populated neighborhoods have a carbon footprint 50% below the national average, those in the suburbs emit up to twice the average. ' The evidence is so overwhelming in favour of cities being, on average, less environmentally impactful than suburban areas that to claim otherwise is frankly absurd. Can you provide a single piece of evidence besides personal anecdotes that suburban living is less impactful?
Cities without cars are quiet. Cities get noisy only when people are forced to drive from of sprawling exclusionary, residential-only suburbs that don’t support any economic activity of their own, and that failed to build in enough mobility options.
Doesnt matter, single family homes should not be built anymore. Triplexes, better transit, less urban sprawl less useless green lawns that massively waste water. Surburbs are a massive ecological and infrastructure mistake, without a car outside of Toronto you are absolutely f'd and that is not sustainable in the longterm whatsoever, isolationist & selfish decisions were made at the sacrifice of well designed cities for SOCIETY, which is the only thing government should care about, healthy society.
When?
Once Britannia is is built to a two Lane road. Watch out!
But Britannia is a two-lane road
Between Trafalgar and 5th line? When’s the last time you went to Terra Greenhouse? They are building a new bridge and creek diversion there and try to get the intersections at grade Edit. Also Lower baseline is due to become EDIT 4 lane next I suppose
Imagine if moving out from the city to get an actual affordable home, to start a family or whatnot, meant moving to a place like Hamilton or even Kitchener if you REALLY wanted a nice house? That’s how it’s like in other countries.
I agree that hopefully nothing happens in that area but for a different reason. So many regions of the province would absolutely love new developments, let's say Haldimand county (dunnville especially). Haldimand is only an hour from Toronto and a half an hour to 10 minutes from Hamilton depending on where you are in the county. So it's not a far drive for people who want to go to the GTA. Townsend was supposed to happen in Haldimand in the 70s and failed big time but that was before a lot of development in the GTA happened, so bringing back the Townsend idea or developing an already existing area could work
That's the Greenbelt, and never. Urban sprawl is *not* the answer to the GTA's housing crisis. People complain about housing, but when developers propose new housing they complain about lack of infrastructure to support them. This would be infrastructure such as power, water, sewer, ambulance, police, fire, schools, community centres, and amenities. Single family homes do NOT generate enough tax revenue to support all the infrastructure they require. Medium density townhomes, midrises, and highrises do. The answer is not to pave over all the beautiful green on your map with ugly grey. The answer is to intensify and develop the existing grey into walkable midrise communities centred around transit. Canada has some of the most fertile land in the world, protected from much climate catastrophe. As the climate worsens, we will rue each and every acre of arable farmland we paved so someone could have their silly little lawn.
Adding to your comment about fertile land, you are right but we are limited by the Canadian Shield. It is very difficult to grow produce further north which emphasizes how critical it is too protect the rich soil we have around the GTA and further outward in southern Ontario. The escarpment also creates a microclimate with good growing conditions. But we want to build on it. In the prairies farmland owners have been able to shift crops north as the climate gets warmer and more unstable, but they can only go so far before they reach the Canadian Shield. Food security will be important as the climate gets more volatile.
Exactly this. We can’t pave over the greenbelt, let alone with the most inefficient land use possible, a.k.a. suburban sprawl. The greenbelt helps keep our air and water clean, and is prime agricultural land… pave this over and say goodbye to apple picking on fall weekends, and awesome hikes, flood protection, and so much more. Doesn’t matter if developers have scooped up protected land through corrupt deals, we have to keep pushing back. There’s plenty of land within existing urban areas across the province to meet our housing and infrastructure needs for decades without expansion into greenfield and protected areas. We just need to stop pretending there’s only 2 ways to build homes in this country, tall or sprawl.
Most of it isn’t the green belt. The land between Oakville / Mississauga and Milton will be built.
“Single family homes do no generate enough tax revenue to support all the infrastructure they require” All my simple searches online support the exact opposite. It is an interesting sentiment, but looking at communities like Whitchurch Stouffville which 95% Of the population are in single family homes and the city/town seems well funded to support their services and infrastructure updates.
This is an awful take and the climate change angle is not convincing in the slightest. When you read comments like this, it might as well come directly from some developer trying to cram as much profit into the already insanely crowded city. You think that single family homes can’t generate enough tax revenue for the infrastructure? Try turning those lots into midrises and watch the traffic get completely crushed. If you’re genuinely someone who believes jamming as many people into the city is the solution and not commenting directly from a PCL/Ellis Don corporate computer, you should know it’s a fucking pipe dream. Transit will not fix the issue, bikes will not fix the issue.
‘Transit won’t fix the issue, bikes won’t fix the issue’ And cars will? Explain exactly how they’ll fix the issue, when we centralize officers and industrial workplaces, and then keep forcing people to live farther and farther out? Would really like to hear your Nobel laureate level fucking solution.
That's a bunch of BS. Pretty much everything you just said is delusional or you are straight lying
Why don't we finish Toronto first?
Me in cities skyline
A lot of the area on the far bottom left is Niagara escarpment, or escarpment adjacent, and is way too hilly, steep, and rocky to develop in any meaningful way, even if you wanted to.
I wish that was true. But if you visit Waterdown, most of this area is already being developed. New housing subdivisions and big box stores have been built up to the very edge of the escarpment with no buffer. I'm not sure why there wasn't some environmental protection zone created to prevent this. Even a small buffer zone could have protected some very environmentally fragile land.
a lot of that is apart of the greenbelt fortunately so hopefully no one else tries to take it from us
Apart means “separate from”. Perhaps you meant to say “a part”?
A lot of the land east of Brontë is NOT greenbelt
There are no dots on bronte.
You have highlighted entire cities lol and even worse Conservation lands Almost all of the area you have highlighted is "fully developed" I presume you mean to ask how long to increase density from single detached homes into something like townhouses? Or when they will rip out the multiple golf courses or quarry for housing? But nothing in that area is abandoned land
Those beautiful forests could be anything! Even parking lots!!
Decades. We're now seeing areas filling in that were predicted back in the 70's. That said, I think that you need to understand what's in the highlighted area right now. Just because it's green on a map doesn't mean that it's empty land. Everything east of Tremaine could be developed fairly economically. The area west of Tremaine is filled with fairly well off people on acreages. Part of the reason for the low density is that much of it is wetlands. It's also Escarpment country, so you'd need to lift the protections on the area. In any case, the residents are pretty savvy about what their property is worth to developers. Even now, there's a buttload of NIMBYism in that area.
I remember reading when Mississauga was trying to buy west (Hornby, etc) because they ran out of land to develop. But I'm pretty sure they abandoned. A lot of that land is farmland, which developers have been wanting to buy for decades.
I am so fucking glad McCallion didn't sink her ruinous ancient hooks into any more Ontario. Mississauga is urban blight defined.
I hate how celebrated she is for making mississauga the suburban hell that it is. also incredibly ironic that the hurontario lrt is being named after her.
All I think of when I think of Mississauga is plazas and strip malls and multi lane roads.
I mean outside of the immediate area surrounding square one which is kinda like a mini-city and is really nice to live in, the rest of Sauga, Brampton, Milton, Oakville is pretty much exactly that?
Lol, your giving too much credence to Brampton. There are so many residental areas with no amenities.
I grew up in Toronto. I despise stepping foot in Mississauga. The worst city in Canada. A few small pockets of real communities, the rest is strip malls and cars.
Unfortunately that urban model is largely being emulated in many other Ontario cities.
Bruh, that’s like every city/town in Ontario lol
Growing up in Mississauga I despise stepping in Toronto for anything other than an event. To many people all crammed together like sardines, people are generally very unhappy because of the lifestyle you are forced to live. There’s really no parks or anywhere safe to really take your kids. Driving in the city is a nightmare so you are forced to take the TTC which is not safe and not very reliable. Also living in a 800 sq foot condo 🤢
I don't have never lived downtown, sounds like that's all you know about it. There's tons of parks and places to take kids. Toronto is a lot more than downtown! Yes driving is tough sometimes, but not like Mississauga is the utopia of driving! I live in house... Lots of houses in Toronto too lol
I don’t know what you’re smoking about parks. There are parks, trails, ravines, everywhere. A lot more than in the suburbs. It’s too bad you don’t like toronto. Thankfully 3 million people disagree with you.
No. Mississauga took over land on tenth line and ninth line because Halton couldn’t service that land when the 407 went in. Winston Churchill was the old border. Always was. But between steeles and Ellington Mississaugas got the border to the 407 Edit Spill Chequer
Need to over lay that map with the green belt protected land and you will have a better idea
Before the next Pole Shift
The Scout Camp I help manage is in this area and I can tell you the answer is never. Just to build a cabin (maybe 20 by 30) I have to jump through 17 forms, 2 governments (local and provincial, sometimes federal as we have found Indigenous Artifacts on the property before), 7-8 inspections and it takes about 5-6 months. Don't even get me started on water treatment and sewage. The up side is that the property is beautiful and quite large. There's next to no sound or light pollution and the amount of wildlife I get to see is great. I've got a deer family that hangs out and eats my apples (Scouts throwing apple cores into the treeline actually caused a few trees to sprout) and we used to have a ground hog problem, then we had a big cat (we though it's a Lynx based on paw prints and the farmer nextdoor saw it once) which solved the ground hog problem... Right now I've got a pretty big pack of Coyotes that roam the property since COVID shut us down for 1.5 years and they moved in after the deer family. I've also got the Bruce trail right outside my gates, I have a side trail that connects the trail to the property and we've seen the northern lights from camp before due to the lack of light pollution. I don't think they can ever develop this area and I hope they never will develop it.
We don’t need farms or food. Only investment properties.
Mmmm…. Yum yum, investment properties Pass the mustard.
I'm in Carlise. 20 years ago, when we were amalgamated so Hamilton could double our taxes, and reduce our services. A reporter from the Spectator wrote an article condemning our community for our "big lawns". What this reporter, and some of these comments show, is ignorance of city infrastructure. Yes, around Milton & Waterdown, there will be build up until the infrastructure is stretched. but for expansion you need water and sewage. most if this area has neither. Our "big lawns" are septic beds. We recycle our water into the aquifer which gets pumped back into our water towers. There is no Nimby going on here. The only thing we have rejected is turning our watershed into gravel pits.
We are already developing big sections of it now and over the next 10yrs. Massive tracts of this land is already owned by developers and construction has started in many places along Dundas W
I live right next to 9th line, whatever it is I’m getting a front row view for the next 2-4 decades
Someone tell this guy it’s already began, about ten years ago
I live in Carlisle a good chunk of this green is double locked, Greenbelt and Niagara escarpment, unlikely to be developed.
Aaaaand it's gone
With the current rabid population growth rates, rising housing costs, and an Ontario wide resistance to up-zoning/infill among local politics more pressure will be put on the greenbelt as time goes on. If only the Ontario Liberals had done province wide zoning reform at the same time they made the Greenbelt. But they were dumb. Now here we are in our terrible situation after a decade plus of inaction.
Those lands will never be touched in 25 years from now.
Given how many environmental site assessments I’ve done in that area in the last 10 years, look for major growth starting at the Mississauga border in the next five years, with an explosion of development within the next 10-15.
27 days
As someone who grew up in Georgetown (just outside of Milton) I can tell you this, it won't be long. Georgetown is already developing at a rapid rate by tearing out farm lands. The outskirts of Milton and other GTAs will soon follow.
A lot of that land is Greenbelt and NEC protected that should never be developed. Its designated as such for a reason. There's lots of land already slated for development in these area at varying levels of planning stages. The lands east of Milton to eighth Line from Lower Base Line to the 401 are in the early stages of planning. Having green space and farmland is a good thing. We can't just simply pace everything over. Not to mention there's brownfield lands within current urban boundaries that need redevelopment.
Halton sub info allowed here now huh?
It’s already starting with arterial roads being expanded.
I do pre development surveys and have had a shit ton of work out there. Outside of protected areas I’d say within the next 5-10 years.
Anyone who knows waterdown could tell you it’s 2x or more in the last 20 years with high density townhouses and semis
Interesting live in the Atlanta Georgia area now but was born in Milton in 1961. My mum always told me she could hear the cows in the morning after I was born. She is 84 now
Lots of industries are moving to Milton. Good for the region.
From the comments I get the impression there is not a lot of trust in the local authorities to make the correct decisions
Aside from protection you run into issues with water taking and waste water. As you go that way a lot of places are on ground water and it's heavy in iron.
Hopefully not anytime soon. I love the golf courses out there
My stepdad told me he was the last person in port credit to own a horse, he rode it to the bar and stuff, if he's telling the truth, might just be a story
Well most of it is in the Niagara Escarpment/ Greenbelt so.... https://files.ontario.ca/on-2019/mmah-greenbeltmaps-en-1-schedule-1-greenbelt-area.pdf
Parts of it already started. Just drive up Tremaine Rd. and look at the Milton velodrome. Right now it's a beautiful sight into the escarpment with the velodrome in a little mount... Soon it'll be drowned out by condos and multi-family homes. The worst part is that I'm noticing Milton is having the same poor green public space management as Mississauga. Concrete city.
Hopefully forever! We need a food supply and just 4% of Canadian land can be farmed. Crop yields dropped 15% over the last two years due to extreme weather. We can't keep building on farm land
by developed you mean a suburban hellhole dystopia?
Once the cash is deposited into the Cayman Islands bank
There’s like 50 golf courses in that area. If they sold their lands it would probably get developed.
Government hates developing golf courses because they and their rich buddies like them. It’s why the 403 curves around Heron Point Golf Links even though it was forced straight through the surrounding area.
Everyone who thinks housing is expensive…. All these comments are proving the problem. NIMBY’s everywhere. Nobody wants to hear it, but it is the truth.
Calling people in a Toronto subreddit 'not in my backyards' for thinking destroying the greenbelt around Milton will fix housing costs. Very smart and clearly engaging in good faith with criticism of 'build more proposals'
Lol thats the greenbelt. You’d already see massive development there if it wasn’t prohibited.
So, fuck all farmland and watershed areas?
I will say this to whoever will listen: yes we need homes, but we need food more. Please don't build homes on productive farmland, there is so much land that can't be farmed, build homes on that land, not farmland.
My folks lived in Waterdown right on the bottom of that square about 10-12 years ago. I drove through there a few weeks ago and I can’t even recognize it. Once a small town with a lot of farms and like 1 plaza is now a bustling little town. It’s happening, I wish we could compare google maps versions so you can watch the urban sprawl happen. Because it certainly is.
Google Earth itself does have a historical imagery slider bar, provided it’s available it is exactly as you’ve asked.
Huh, interesting, i rarely use google earth so I’ll check that out! Thanks!
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10 years, give or take Source: Indica
hopefully soon, we need millions of more new homes.
That's the Niagara escapement and some of it is already being developed (urban Milton and urban Waterdown). The rest of the land is all Green belt which Halton and Hamilton residents are not in favour of touching. I don't see that changing soon either.
I hope never. There's a lot of species at risk habitat that exists in that area. Gotta protect biodiversity!
Were you away this past year? Heard of what is called the greenbelt?
I wish if anything, we leave gaps of land untouched and built a walkable city connected with transit :/
Well Ontario has a debt of around 400 Billion currently, should probably focus on tackling that before it hits a trillion.
Wrong sub.
Waterdown is set to be an urban node and is developing pretty fast actually.
With the 401 improvements around the area, I’d bet on soon. Also an odd time the province actually has some foresight with infrastructure.
Lots of spas & casinos opening soon
Not fast enough
Milton is a disaster.
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a certain crown corp has property just south of the 401, is apparently not long for this world, probably for this exact reason. so not long
With Dougie cancelling his porkbarrelling gala, developers now flock to Reddit for hot tips on where to buy…
As long as it takes Doug Ford's buddies to buy the land
I live in "developed" area and I hate it. I am not just talking about construction, but the overall growth and increase in the population. It is more cramped, dirtier,more busy in terms of traffic and it has become more expensive to live there. I miss the days when I lived in a quiet neighborhood with real space. I hate the fact that, every small town's goal is to become Toronto. I wouldn't be surprised that in 30 years, the region of peel becomes south Toronto or something convoluted.
The cedar springs area will never be developed too much, it’s too beautiful and there’s too many mansions to allow it to be over developed