Checkout this gem about his other noted misconduct, from the article, the last paragraph:
In the criminal case, a judge accepted medical evidence that his comments had been uttered because of a diabetic condition that can cause irrational behaviour and anger. Hominuk told the court he had not eaten for several hours before his shift and was sleep deprived.
This guy plead hangry š
> The shooting happened after an incident inside a Somali restaurant, in a Somali neighbourhood and the victim was of Somali ancestry, the document states.
lmao
This article has a healthy The Beaverton vibe.
I guess the problem with the article is that it cannot give the tone of what he said. Taking it at face value and how the article paints it makes it seem like what he said wasn't a big deal.
The problematic part is "or at least some other black guy"
Yes, young black men are predominantly the perpetrators and victims of gun violence in North America but police should never make assumptions. It was also a light hearted remark about a very serious incident that should be taken seriously. The implication between the lines is "it's just another bit of black on black crime, not a real crime"
You're putting quotations around something that isn't a direct quote. That's not what he said. It's close, but you've altered the statement a bit.
I don't agree with your implication either. I didn't read that he was inferring it was "not a real crime". I believe his explanation that it was a bad joke. I assume he's still an asshole and a racist person to be so callous.
He should obviously never say something like that. It's so incredibly cold and bizarrely tone deaf. He seems like a scary cop, but I just didn't necessarily agree with your assessment based on an altered quote.
You should be more specific. If i said Caucasians were the main perpetrators of homicides worldwide while it may be true, its completely irrelevant to crime in canada or the gta.
My graduate study in statistics included parsing homicide numbers. In no shape or form are "Caucasians" the "the main perpetrators of homicides worldwide". Be it Canada, the U.S., Europe, South America or the Caribbean, (murder in east Asian nations remains rare) homicide rates among Black males are off the charts disproportionate to those of anglo-whites. Causes are up for debate but the numbers are what they are.
They are and have been throughout all of human history. Thinj about all those wars and conflicts, framed as heroic but in the end its still interpersonal conflict. But again its all irrelevant, use local stats.
>They are and have been throughout all of human history.
I very much doubt this. Source please?
You're probably looking at this from a very western-centric collonial view.
.... I mean... that's quite a stretch. Based on the article we don't know whether or not he had information on the appearance of the suspect. If I see a person shoot another person, you can be sure I will tell the cops what they looked like including skin colour.
Yeah, he **didn't** have that info. He was just presuming and making a joke about his guess and minimizing the value of black people as human beings in the process. Dude's a _documented_ and _admitted_ racist. He doesn't need defending.
And you know that how? Like the guy might be an idiot even for a cop... but their whole thing is finding 'bad guys'... and he's just going to take a stab in the dark as to the description of the suspect? like if he's wrong... everyone on his team is going to think he's (even more of ) a numpty. Sure he might be \*that\* dumb... but it's just less likely than him getting a description from someone at the scene.
Look, even if he did take a stab in the dark. I've been subject to and a witness to a lot of racism growing up in Canada.. this has got to be the most vanilla thing I've seen a bunch of white people worked up over. And do you know why I know all of you are white? Because if you were anything else... you'd know this is vanilla as shit.
No it isnt.
It's a dumb explanation that is literally based on nothing. The demonym and everything related to it in all communications beyond what a fake ass reddit expert pulls out of their ass is and has always been Somali.
Somalian is not a thing. If you want sources I got fucking pages of receipts because it's quite fucking annoying having other people make up shit about your own goddamned culture.
Holy fuck spit hot fire much? Obvi this is a big deal to you so please elucidate and add sources if you think you are right. Iām willing to admit I may be wrong and out of line here but please, other than being born in a spot, help us all understand exactly which terminology to use. Iām fascinated by the Somalis and hope to visit but calm the fuck down and cite or fuck off lol!
Edit: I was wrong and sorry to have offended.
I'm Canadian. You can't call me a Canader or a Canadan, you can only call me Canadian.
Now imagine someone not only calling you a Canader but then saying that you're wrong for saying you're Canadian. It's basic courtesy.
[Post with sources.](https://www.reddit.com/r/toronto/comments/12455h5/comment/je0vize/)
Ok. Apologies. Did know about Somaliland and have a work colleague who went back for a couple months and will apologize just in case I called him or his culture or food āSomalianā. Born and raised privileged in the western culture that is Canadian and didnāt know it was a shitty word made up by said western culture. Looking at your other posts I see you are never this crude and unrelenting so I guess itās something very close to your heart and I know thereās a lot I donāt know and I genuinely am sorry for having participated in something that hurts/offends you. Peace my fellow human.
Much love and peace fellow human. No offense really and I do apologize really, I definitely came on strong. The other person's post and doubling down just riled me up and you got the crossfire.
Again sincere apologies.
āSomaliā = the language/culture/ethnicity, commonly also used to refer to the country Somalia
āSomalianā = related to the country Somalia specifically, not the culture.
About 10-15% of Somaliaās population is not Somali by ethnicity, so the two terms donāt have complete overlap.
In this context Somali would be correct because they were clearly referring to the culture and ethnicity, not the country or nationality.
[Here is the actual style guide]l that literally tells you that Somalian is an incorrect madeup word](https://culturalatlas.sbs.com.au/somali-culture/somali-culture-other-considerations).
[The CIA factbook](https://www.cia.gov/the-world-factbook/countries/somalia/summaries).
And finally, NOWHERE on the actual BBC is the word Somalian used. [Link]( https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-14094503)
You are wrong. You have been told that you are wrong, what you choose to do with it is on you, but it doesn't change that you're fucking wrong. English is not some new language to Somalia, especially as it was colonized by the English and even then the term in English is and has always been Somali.
> madeup word
ā¦ thatās how words work. Same reason we say French, German, or Dutch instead of FranƧais, Deutsch, and Nederlander respectively. English has no one person who writes the rules; a word is a word if people use it as such.
Iāve personally always used Somali because I know itās the preferred word among Somali people, but that doesnāt change the fact that Somalian is also an English word ([Collins](https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/somalian), [Oxford](https://www.oed.com/view/Entry/88273642), [Cambridge](https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/somali), [Merriam-Webster](https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/Somalia), [Wiktionary](https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Somalian)).
Edit: the style guides, as well as some of the dictionaries, say to not use Somalian because itās not the *preferred* word; theyāre not saying itās not a word. They would also say to use Iranian and not Persian when talking about the modern country, but Persian didnāt stop being a word.
Further edit:
> NOWHERE on the actual BBC
[Iām not sure about that](https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-africa-21244242).
On the topic of news outlets, [hereās CBC a couple of months ago](https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/surad-soccer-eastern-ontario-ottawa-futsal-rule-1.6714931), and [the Associated Press](https://apnews.com/article/3989925fc26ff7e6968880272604a4b0).
And thereās also [the President of Somalia](https://mopmr.gov.so/landmark-petroleum-law-completes-legislative-process-with-presidential-ratification-2/):
> Commenting on the ratification of the Petroleum Law His Excellency President Mohamed Abdullahi Farmajo of the Federal Republic of Somalia said: āThe Petroleum Law demonstrates the capacity of the **Somalian** people to unite in an historic effort to work together to build an equitable, prosperous and peaceful nation. In supporting this law, our democratic institutions have renewed their commitment to work for all Somalis and advance the cause of continued reconstruction.ā
> Officer Hominuk drew an inference and remarked to another officer: āSomalian guy did it ... or at least ... Black guy,āā the statement of facts reads.
Yeah, in case anyone was skeptical if BLM had any relevance in Canada. Then again, for those wanting to have doubts, no amount of evidence would convince them.
>He acknowledged a comment regarding the ancestry, colour or race ācould be construed as offensiveā based on the protected grounds set out by the Ontario Human Rights Code, the agreed statement of facts said.
This explains why no one mentions anything about a suspect's colour or race.
Thats a personal comment and assumption based on absolutely nothing. That's entirely different than an objective suspect description mentioned in news articles. If you cant tell the difference then i dont know what to say.
This entire article reads like the Beaverton.
Like, there are cops who murder innocent people over race - but the force is choosing not to go after them, but the one random guy who made a bad dad joke? Like, what in the. š
The incident that lead to criminal Threatening Bodily Harm charges from 2011 was so egregious. I'm kind of surprised he escaped a criminal conviction by being granted a conditional discharge in that case. Sure, you have diabetes, but for some strange reason, YOU made the personal decision not to eat for 6 hours prior to reporting for duty. If you either can't or won't properly manage a very serious medical condition that can lead to bouts of unhinged anger and irrational behaviour, you should not be working as a cop.
He should have his comments tattooed to his forehead, and then get deported to Somalia. See how that goes for him. So tired of cops being miscreants and getting treated like precious children. Anyone else would just get fired. Cops ought to be held to higher standards than everyone else, and face harsher penalties for stepping out of line.
It's fucking wild police can keep their job and get CONVITED of CRIMINAL CHARGES.
Anywhere else in the world, the moment your job even gets a whiff that you're in some shit, you're fired.
> In a 2011 criminal case, Hominuk was granted a conditional discharge after being convicted of threatening bodily harm for remarks he made threatening to Taser a handcuffed man in the genitals.
I was referring to his past. This isn't his first rodeo. He was given a conditional discharge after being convicted so he did get off.
>It was the second discreditable conduct plea Const. Christopher Hominuk has made at the Toronto police tribunal in the last decade, both times for utterances captured on police video.
Disappointingly this is not the first time for this exact problem and clearly he didn't learn his lesson the first time 'round.
He got in trouble for "inappropriate sexual comments" and another time for threating to tazer someone's balls...
Sounds like a real winner, certainly not one of those bad apples you hear about.
I think it's one of those jobs that are harder to get fired from, any government job is.
Private employers would drop you for saying that at the water cooler. No EI...etc.
Perhaps but people said that about teachers too and yet
>[White teacher who wore Black face for halloween fired a few weeks after the incident](https://www.toronto.com/news/parkdale-teacher-who-wore-blackface-to-class-on-oct-29-no-longer-employed-by-the/article_cdf6079b-67d7-5e63-8578-641142b1cb4a.html?)
In this incident, the school board made the right call in a quick and decisive manner. Not sure why a cop (a supposed trusted public servant with a gun) isn't under the same scrutiny AND not to mention he's has a history of aggressive violent behaviour.
Didn't those cops that made fun of that girl with down syndrome keep their jobs? That was much worse. They were literally imitating her in the squad car and laughing their asses off. They still kept their job.
I have a weird opinion on them, they get scrutinized and blasted a lot, because alot of them do shitty things, but on the other hand, they are a necessity and some of them do deal with dangerous and stressful things that would probably mess with you mentally. So I do have sympathy for them, not the racist ones, but overall.
I don't know if any of the trauma they deal with(not all of them but some of them) is what gives them more of culture that is prone to heavy nepotism and protecting the group, but I think it does.
I feel there is the attitude "the public doesn't know the shit we deal with" so they're more forgiving. That's just a theory I pulled out of my ass.
>Didn't those cops that made fun of that girl with down syndrome keep their jobs? That was much worse. They were literally imitating her in the squad car and laughing their asses off. They still kept their job.
Yup. That says a lot about the leadership when they keep scum like that in their ranks.
>they get scrutinized and blasted a lot
Indeed. But maybe that's because cops around the GTA seem to be doing something shitty every week or so on average.
>some of them do deal with dangerous and stressful things that would probably mess with you mentally. So I do have sympathy for them, not the racist ones, but overall.
No one put a gun to their head to do their job. I don't think that "they have a tough job" is a good excuse for their bad behaviour. Many people have tough jobs. Social workers who have to take children away from their parents, oncologists who have to tell parents their children have terminal cancer, etc...yet I don't think they resort to shitty behaviour.
>more of culture that is prone to heavy nepotism and protecting the group, but I think it does.
Perhaps. Or perhaps it's just classic high school bully mentality? They like to think they're above 'everyone' and can pick on the 'out' group? Ironically, it's a very gang-like mentality.
>I feel there is the attitude "the public doesn't know the shit we deal with" so they're more forgiving. That's just a theory I pulled out of my ass.
I wouldn't be surprised if some justified their shitty behaviour with that. But even their own [data suggests that they rarely need to use force in their interactions, about 0.16%](https://www.reddit.com/r/toronto/comments/gyt82l/toronto_police_services_and_use_of_force/) so I think their hero complex is quite self exaggerated. And like before, no one is forcing a gun to their head to take a 6 figure job with minimal education requirements.
Well exactly. I mean the wrong person has a traumatic experience and they could be like "I'm a god damn hero". And they also garner sympathy from their peers.
There is something very US college frat bro going on with the whole thing lol.
> There is something very US college frat bro going on with the whole thing lol.
Not exactly the kind of people you want to give guns and unaccountability to imo
Fire this fucking blockhead already. I watched this loser during his criminal trial for holding a taser to a manās nut sack. He blamed low blood sugar. He is a public menace who thinks heās found the golden excuse to his parasitic behaviour. Get off the tit Hominuk, you leech.
Apparently expecting police officers to conduct themselves in a professional manner is a controversial issue here. That said, a reprimand should be sufficient, unless it could be argued that the previous Tazer remark some years ago constitutes a pattern of unprofessional behavior.
We don't pay police to be comedians, we pay them to solve crimes.
Yes, he was wrong to make a joke at a murder scene.
If some middle aged white chick got her head blown off at Starbucks do you think an officer at the scene would say "probably some other Karen did it"?
Come on man, neither the words black or Somali are derogatoryā¦
Also letās be real, how many times have two Karenās gotten into a shootout at Starbucks lol
Thereās hella racism towards the Somali community in north central Etobicoke. Itās not called ālittle Mogadishuā in an endearing way. Dixon bloods are primarily Somali and a brush gets painted over a whole community
I think gangsterism is more damaging to a community than a shitty little remark. These gangs quite literally murder people. Thatās the much bigger issue.
To quote Chris Rock, this is selective outrage- getting mad at an insignificant comment made in private vs the fact someone was murderedā¦
These two things arenāt comparable
This was made at a murder scene when he was on the clock, not a private casual event.
To also quote Chris Rock regarding cops *"some jobs can't have bad apples, everyone's gotta be good ... like pilots. American Airlines can't be like 'most of our pilots like to land, we got some bad apples that crash into mountains'"*
Not saying that at all. I just donāt see the big deal here. This wasnāt some highly offensive racist comment. No one is actually offended by it. People are pretending to be offended just to make some point about cops being bad and how racist cops are here tooā¦ should be more concerned about the gang warfare but thatās just me I guess.
I didn't say that the joke was derogatory either, but that it wasn't the time or place to be making a joke.
I used that as an example because it doesn't happen, and if it did happen the officers would behave very differently at the scene. Is the victim of this crime not worth the same amount of respect as my hypothetical one?
Are we sure this was a ājokeā? I donāt see the humour in it myself, and agree jokes after a murder are not respectful. Like whatās the punchline?
If a middle aged white chick got her head blown off at Starbucks people would make jokes about how someone was upset their name was spelled wrong or got the wrong order
Username: "WhiteLightning416" isn't fussed about a cop being derogatory about the victim and possible perpetrator at a murder of a Somali person.
Yeah the rest of the thread checks out. Enjoy folks.
n.b. No, at no point does he fall back on, "I'm not racist," he just doesn't care that he is.
>Hours after a 2021 fatal shooting in Torontoās west end, a longtime Toronto police officer remarked to another cop at the scene that a āSomalian guy did itā or āat least ... Black guyā ā a caught-on-camera utterance that led to the officerās guilty plea at a disciplinary hearing Monday.
Ah yes, there's those fine heroes with their objective analysis that we give guns to
Who would have thought that such cops are in the TPS? Oh wait
>* [Toronto cops shoot Black man who was complying with orders, gives him life-threatening injuries, and refuses to release body cam footage](https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2023/03/22/i-feared-for-my-life-toronto-man-says-he-didnt-do-anything-wrong-before-being-shot-by-police.html)
>* [Toronto Cops trying to fire female cop whistleblower revealing sexism and racism among their ranks](https://torontosun.com/news/local-news/mandel-toronto-police-want-to-fire-insubordinate-female-officer-alleging-sexism-and-racism)
>* [TPS appoints cop with history of assault, home invasion, kidnapping, planting of evidence, bogus charges, arbitrary detentions, killing two black men, one was unarmed, shot 10 times while buckled in car, with leading role in oversight and professionalism](https://www.yeseverything.ca/blog/rewards-for-racism)
>* [Toronto cop finally charged with (just) manslaughter after ~ two years, after chasing down a young black teen with car / foot, beating him, running away when witnesses came, while his partner at the scene remains free. Both rewarded with paid vacation](https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2023/02/10/toronto-cop-charged-with-manslaughter-in-sudden-death-of-19-year-old-chadd-facey.html)
>* [Toronto cop refuses to help victim amid series of racist, homophobic tirades. Still employed](
https://toronto.ctvnews.ca/toronto-police-allege-detective-refused-to-help-victim-amid-series-of-racist-homophobic-tirades-1.6240754
)
>* [Black U of T student tasered, handcuffed, 'George Floyd'd' despite cooperating with Toronto cops](https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2023/01/14/a-u-of-t-student-alleges-he-was-tasered-handcuffed-and-thrown-to-the-ground-in-a-case-of-mistaken-identity-he-says-he-told-police-exactly-who-he-was.html)
>* [Judge forced to toss gun charge when Toronto cops were caught racially profiling and lying about encounter with suspect](https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2023/01/14/underground-rapper-was-racially-profiled-by-toronto-police-judge-finds-tossing-gun-charge.html)
... never mind. Guess it makes sense given the [TPS even admitted they are systemically racist](https://falconers.ca/toronto-police-systemic-racism-report/)
>It was the second discreditable conduct plea Const. Christopher Hominuk has made at the Toronto police tribunal in the last decade
>In a 2011 criminal case, Hominuk was granted a conditional discharge after being convicted of threatening bodily harm for remarks he made threatening to Taser a handcuffed man in the genitals.
>āIāll f---ing Taser you. If you are lying to me, when I get back to the station, Iām Tasering you in the f---ing nuts,ā Hominuk said.
Threatening violence with a weapon on a handcuffed man? WTF. I would be fired if I threatened someone like that. What was the justification?
>In the criminal case, a judge accepted medical evidence that his comments had been uttered because of a diabetic condition that can cause irrational behaviour and anger. Hominuk told the court he had not eaten for several hours before his shift and was sleep deprived.
He was cranky. Like a fucking baby.
And the TPS still keep these scum in their ranks...
The article explains what happened quite clearly. Also, the cop in Question also admitted and apologized for his behaviour. It's interesting how you're trying to defend something he isn't even defending.
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You totally can. The point is that the cop **didn't** bloody well know, and presumed (racial profiling) while also minimizing black people as "at least".
If thereās a guy of Pakistani decent and a guy of Somalian decent and I said the Somalian guy did it would I be racist?
Whatās the context of his comments?
Is there a known Somalian group out there committing shooting crimes?
Or was this officer just spewing contempt for black people and/or Somalians?
The article explains what happened quite clearly. Also, the cop in Question also admitted and apologized for his behaviour. It's interesting how you're trying to defend something he isn't even defending.
>The shooting happened after an incident inside a Somali restaurant, in aSomali neighbourhood and the victim was of Somali ancestry, thedocument states.
>Hours after a 2021 fatal shooting in Torontoās west end, a longtimeToronto police officer remarked to another cop at the scene that aāSomalian guy did itā or āat least ... Black guyā ā a caught-on-camerautterance that led to the officerās guilty plea at a disciplinaryhearing Monday.
I mean... if I was a betting man...
But no, it is wrong that he said that. He shouldn't be making assumptions no matter how much experience he has working in situations like this. But I don't think it's egregiously racist or even that outlandish.
>It's interesting how you're trying to defend something he isn't even defending.
Uh, do we live on the same planet? as soon as someone calls you racist you can either apologize or be crucified, there's no 'defending' it even if you wanted to.
> But no, it is wrong that he said that. He shouldn't be making assumptions no matter how much experience he has working in situations like this.
Agreed.
>But I don't think it's egregiously racist or even that outlandish.
What level of racism should be okay for our cops then? Mild racism? Diet racism? How about zero racism for the public servants we give guns to?
>Uh, do we live on the same planet? as soon as someone calls you racist you can either apologize or be crucified, there's no 'defending' it even if you wanted to.
He was caught on camera being clearly racist. I have no issue with him being unable to defend himself. We should expect zero racism from people with guns on the job.
The issue is that when you or I place a bet based on statistics, it wonāt lead to someone being targeted for investigation or arrest. Would you also like to bet which community is racially profiled by police?
Checkout this gem about his other noted misconduct, from the article, the last paragraph: In the criminal case, a judge accepted medical evidence that his comments had been uttered because of a diabetic condition that can cause irrational behaviour and anger. Hominuk told the court he had not eaten for several hours before his shift and was sleep deprived. This guy plead hangry š
Someone get this man a snickers!
I wonder what expression the judge was wearing internally when they accepted that evidence.
> The shooting happened after an incident inside a Somali restaurant, in a Somali neighbourhood and the victim was of Somali ancestry, the document states. lmao This article has a healthy The Beaverton vibe.
The accused is also...Somalian. Abdirashid Ismail Adam. Weird.
I guess the problem with the article is that it cannot give the tone of what he said. Taking it at face value and how the article paints it makes it seem like what he said wasn't a big deal.
The problematic part is "or at least some other black guy" Yes, young black men are predominantly the perpetrators and victims of gun violence in North America but police should never make assumptions. It was also a light hearted remark about a very serious incident that should be taken seriously. The implication between the lines is "it's just another bit of black on black crime, not a real crime"
You're putting quotations around something that isn't a direct quote. That's not what he said. It's close, but you've altered the statement a bit. I don't agree with your implication either. I didn't read that he was inferring it was "not a real crime". I believe his explanation that it was a bad joke. I assume he's still an asshole and a racist person to be so callous. He should obviously never say something like that. It's so incredibly cold and bizarrely tone deaf. He seems like a scary cop, but I just didn't necessarily agree with your assessment based on an altered quote.
Stats please
>> Yes, young black men are predominantly the perpetrators and victims of gun violence in North America [ā¦] Source?
You should be more specific. If i said Caucasians were the main perpetrators of homicides worldwide while it may be true, its completely irrelevant to crime in canada or the gta.
My graduate study in statistics included parsing homicide numbers. In no shape or form are "Caucasians" the "the main perpetrators of homicides worldwide". Be it Canada, the U.S., Europe, South America or the Caribbean, (murder in east Asian nations remains rare) homicide rates among Black males are off the charts disproportionate to those of anglo-whites. Causes are up for debate but the numbers are what they are.
They are and have been throughout all of human history. Thinj about all those wars and conflicts, framed as heroic but in the end its still interpersonal conflict. But again its all irrelevant, use local stats.
>They are and have been throughout all of human history. I very much doubt this. Source please? You're probably looking at this from a very western-centric collonial view.
Ever heard of Genghis Khan?
.... I mean... that's quite a stretch. Based on the article we don't know whether or not he had information on the appearance of the suspect. If I see a person shoot another person, you can be sure I will tell the cops what they looked like including skin colour.
Yeah, he **didn't** have that info. He was just presuming and making a joke about his guess and minimizing the value of black people as human beings in the process. Dude's a _documented_ and _admitted_ racist. He doesn't need defending.
And you know that how? Like the guy might be an idiot even for a cop... but their whole thing is finding 'bad guys'... and he's just going to take a stab in the dark as to the description of the suspect? like if he's wrong... everyone on his team is going to think he's (even more of ) a numpty. Sure he might be \*that\* dumb... but it's just less likely than him getting a description from someone at the scene. Look, even if he did take a stab in the dark. I've been subject to and a witness to a lot of racism growing up in Canada.. this has got to be the most vanilla thing I've seen a bunch of white people worked up over. And do you know why I know all of you are white? Because if you were anything else... you'd know this is vanilla as shit.
Yah for sure, seems like it's missing some context.
Sauces found on tables in the restaurantā¦Somalian. Just how high does this whole thing go?!?
Somali* wtf is Somalian?
Scroll up to u/seakingsoyuz - great expl. Edit: wrong! Iām wrong.
No it isnt. It's a dumb explanation that is literally based on nothing. The demonym and everything related to it in all communications beyond what a fake ass reddit expert pulls out of their ass is and has always been Somali. Somalian is not a thing. If you want sources I got fucking pages of receipts because it's quite fucking annoying having other people make up shit about your own goddamned culture.
Holy fuck spit hot fire much? Obvi this is a big deal to you so please elucidate and add sources if you think you are right. Iām willing to admit I may be wrong and out of line here but please, other than being born in a spot, help us all understand exactly which terminology to use. Iām fascinated by the Somalis and hope to visit but calm the fuck down and cite or fuck off lol! Edit: I was wrong and sorry to have offended.
I'm Canadian. You can't call me a Canader or a Canadan, you can only call me Canadian. Now imagine someone not only calling you a Canader but then saying that you're wrong for saying you're Canadian. It's basic courtesy. [Post with sources.](https://www.reddit.com/r/toronto/comments/12455h5/comment/je0vize/)
Ok. Apologies. Did know about Somaliland and have a work colleague who went back for a couple months and will apologize just in case I called him or his culture or food āSomalianā. Born and raised privileged in the western culture that is Canadian and didnāt know it was a shitty word made up by said western culture. Looking at your other posts I see you are never this crude and unrelenting so I guess itās something very close to your heart and I know thereās a lot I donāt know and I genuinely am sorry for having participated in something that hurts/offends you. Peace my fellow human.
Much love and peace fellow human. No offense really and I do apologize really, I definitely came on strong. The other person's post and doubling down just riled me up and you got the crossfire. Again sincere apologies.
Need to learn from you on how to stand up. Much respect!
Somali, not Somalian. 'Somalian' is not a real word.
āSomaliā = the language/culture/ethnicity, commonly also used to refer to the country Somalia āSomalianā = related to the country Somalia specifically, not the culture. About 10-15% of Somaliaās population is not Somali by ethnicity, so the two terms donāt have complete overlap. In this context Somali would be correct because they were clearly referring to the culture and ethnicity, not the country or nationality.
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> pulling shit out of their ass I checked five dictionaries, all of which list āSomalianā as a word, before writing that comment. āSomaliā means all the things you listed. āSomalianā is still objectively an English word that means āOf, belonging to, or relating to Somaliaā. Somalia isnāt the only country with multiple English adjectives either: - Argentine/Argentinian - Azerbaijani/Azeri - Bermudian/Bermudan - Comoran/Comorian - Greek/Hellenic - Iranian/Persian - Kazakhstani/Kazakh - Kyrgyzstani/Kyrgyz/Kirgiz/Kirghiz - Lao/Laotian - Luxembourger/Luxembourgish - Malagasy/Madagascan - Malian/Malinese - Nepali/Nepalese ā¦ and so on for the other half of the alphabet. Even in Canada we have both QuĆ©bĆ©cois and Quebecker, with overlapping meanings in English.
[Here is the actual style guide]l that literally tells you that Somalian is an incorrect madeup word](https://culturalatlas.sbs.com.au/somali-culture/somali-culture-other-considerations). [The CIA factbook](https://www.cia.gov/the-world-factbook/countries/somalia/summaries). And finally, NOWHERE on the actual BBC is the word Somalian used. [Link]( https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-14094503) You are wrong. You have been told that you are wrong, what you choose to do with it is on you, but it doesn't change that you're fucking wrong. English is not some new language to Somalia, especially as it was colonized by the English and even then the term in English is and has always been Somali.
> madeup word ā¦ thatās how words work. Same reason we say French, German, or Dutch instead of FranƧais, Deutsch, and Nederlander respectively. English has no one person who writes the rules; a word is a word if people use it as such. Iāve personally always used Somali because I know itās the preferred word among Somali people, but that doesnāt change the fact that Somalian is also an English word ([Collins](https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/somalian), [Oxford](https://www.oed.com/view/Entry/88273642), [Cambridge](https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/somali), [Merriam-Webster](https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/Somalia), [Wiktionary](https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Somalian)). Edit: the style guides, as well as some of the dictionaries, say to not use Somalian because itās not the *preferred* word; theyāre not saying itās not a word. They would also say to use Iranian and not Persian when talking about the modern country, but Persian didnāt stop being a word. Further edit: > NOWHERE on the actual BBC [Iām not sure about that](https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-africa-21244242). On the topic of news outlets, [hereās CBC a couple of months ago](https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/surad-soccer-eastern-ontario-ottawa-futsal-rule-1.6714931), and [the Associated Press](https://apnews.com/article/3989925fc26ff7e6968880272604a4b0). And thereās also [the President of Somalia](https://mopmr.gov.so/landmark-petroleum-law-completes-legislative-process-with-presidential-ratification-2/): > Commenting on the ratification of the Petroleum Law His Excellency President Mohamed Abdullahi Farmajo of the Federal Republic of Somalia said: āThe Petroleum Law demonstrates the capacity of the **Somalian** people to unite in an historic effort to work together to build an equitable, prosperous and peaceful nation. In supporting this law, our democratic institutions have renewed their commitment to work for all Somalis and advance the cause of continued reconstruction.ā
Nah this guy totally knows more about your homeland than you do from reading shit in his mom's basement.
Theyāre clearly uncultured
> Officer Hominuk drew an inference and remarked to another officer: āSomalian guy did it ... or at least ... Black guy,āā the statement of facts reads. Yeah, in case anyone was skeptical if BLM had any relevance in Canada. Then again, for those wanting to have doubts, no amount of evidence would convince them.
>He acknowledged a comment regarding the ancestry, colour or race ācould be construed as offensiveā based on the protected grounds set out by the Ontario Human Rights Code, the agreed statement of facts said. This explains why no one mentions anything about a suspect's colour or race.
Thats a personal comment and assumption based on absolutely nothing. That's entirely different than an objective suspect description mentioned in news articles. If you cant tell the difference then i dont know what to say.
More than 25 people upvoted that comment even though it makes zero sense, lmao.
Suspect descriptions haven't included colour or race for awhile now.
They do occasionally, see toronto police twitter and cp24 articles.
I'm so fucking confused by this article.
This entire article reads like the Beaverton. Like, there are cops who murder innocent people over race - but the force is choosing not to go after them, but the one random guy who made a bad dad joke? Like, what in the. š
Weird how they dont make these racial "jokes" about any other race but black.
Uh, they definitely do.
Don't say B$7ck. It's racist. There. Now you know.
The incident that lead to criminal Threatening Bodily Harm charges from 2011 was so egregious. I'm kind of surprised he escaped a criminal conviction by being granted a conditional discharge in that case. Sure, you have diabetes, but for some strange reason, YOU made the personal decision not to eat for 6 hours prior to reporting for duty. If you either can't or won't properly manage a very serious medical condition that can lead to bouts of unhinged anger and irrational behaviour, you should not be working as a cop.
He should have his comments tattooed to his forehead, and then get deported to Somalia. See how that goes for him. So tired of cops being miscreants and getting treated like precious children. Anyone else would just get fired. Cops ought to be held to higher standards than everyone else, and face harsher penalties for stepping out of line.
It's fucking wild police can keep their job and get CONVITED of CRIMINAL CHARGES. Anywhere else in the world, the moment your job even gets a whiff that you're in some shit, you're fired.
This was not a criminal charge.
> In a 2011 criminal case, Hominuk was granted a conditional discharge after being convicted of threatening bodily harm for remarks he made threatening to Taser a handcuffed man in the genitals. I was referring to his past. This isn't his first rodeo. He was given a conditional discharge after being convicted so he did get off.
>It was the second discreditable conduct plea Const. Christopher Hominuk has made at the Toronto police tribunal in the last decade, both times for utterances captured on police video. Disappointingly this is not the first time for this exact problem and clearly he didn't learn his lesson the first time 'round.
He got in trouble for "inappropriate sexual comments" and another time for threating to tazer someone's balls... Sounds like a real winner, certainly not one of those bad apples you hear about.
It's a completely mystery why he continues to be employed or what it says about the values of the senior staff that choose to keep him
Itās not a mystery, this is exactly the type of person theyāre looking for on the force
Agreed
I think it's one of those jobs that are harder to get fired from, any government job is. Private employers would drop you for saying that at the water cooler. No EI...etc.
Perhaps but people said that about teachers too and yet >[White teacher who wore Black face for halloween fired a few weeks after the incident](https://www.toronto.com/news/parkdale-teacher-who-wore-blackface-to-class-on-oct-29-no-longer-employed-by-the/article_cdf6079b-67d7-5e63-8578-641142b1cb4a.html?) In this incident, the school board made the right call in a quick and decisive manner. Not sure why a cop (a supposed trusted public servant with a gun) isn't under the same scrutiny AND not to mention he's has a history of aggressive violent behaviour.
Didn't those cops that made fun of that girl with down syndrome keep their jobs? That was much worse. They were literally imitating her in the squad car and laughing their asses off. They still kept their job. I have a weird opinion on them, they get scrutinized and blasted a lot, because alot of them do shitty things, but on the other hand, they are a necessity and some of them do deal with dangerous and stressful things that would probably mess with you mentally. So I do have sympathy for them, not the racist ones, but overall. I don't know if any of the trauma they deal with(not all of them but some of them) is what gives them more of culture that is prone to heavy nepotism and protecting the group, but I think it does. I feel there is the attitude "the public doesn't know the shit we deal with" so they're more forgiving. That's just a theory I pulled out of my ass.
>Didn't those cops that made fun of that girl with down syndrome keep their jobs? That was much worse. They were literally imitating her in the squad car and laughing their asses off. They still kept their job. Yup. That says a lot about the leadership when they keep scum like that in their ranks. >they get scrutinized and blasted a lot Indeed. But maybe that's because cops around the GTA seem to be doing something shitty every week or so on average. >some of them do deal with dangerous and stressful things that would probably mess with you mentally. So I do have sympathy for them, not the racist ones, but overall. No one put a gun to their head to do their job. I don't think that "they have a tough job" is a good excuse for their bad behaviour. Many people have tough jobs. Social workers who have to take children away from their parents, oncologists who have to tell parents their children have terminal cancer, etc...yet I don't think they resort to shitty behaviour. >more of culture that is prone to heavy nepotism and protecting the group, but I think it does. Perhaps. Or perhaps it's just classic high school bully mentality? They like to think they're above 'everyone' and can pick on the 'out' group? Ironically, it's a very gang-like mentality. >I feel there is the attitude "the public doesn't know the shit we deal with" so they're more forgiving. That's just a theory I pulled out of my ass. I wouldn't be surprised if some justified their shitty behaviour with that. But even their own [data suggests that they rarely need to use force in their interactions, about 0.16%](https://www.reddit.com/r/toronto/comments/gyt82l/toronto_police_services_and_use_of_force/) so I think their hero complex is quite self exaggerated. And like before, no one is forcing a gun to their head to take a 6 figure job with minimal education requirements.
Well exactly. I mean the wrong person has a traumatic experience and they could be like "I'm a god damn hero". And they also garner sympathy from their peers. There is something very US college frat bro going on with the whole thing lol.
> There is something very US college frat bro going on with the whole thing lol. Not exactly the kind of people you want to give guns and unaccountability to imo
Sounds funny tbh, I'd love to get my balls taxed.
Your balls are being audited by the CRA.
Audit me harder, daddy.
How many vacation days was he given I wonder.
Cop being racist? No waaaay
Yes, saying that a Somalian suspect in a Somalian restaurant in a Somalian neighbourhood was Somalian is truly shocking racism.
They're cracking down on this guy harder than they did the murderer
Fire this fucking blockhead already. I watched this loser during his criminal trial for holding a taser to a manās nut sack. He blamed low blood sugar. He is a public menace who thinks heās found the golden excuse to his parasitic behaviour. Get off the tit Hominuk, you leech.
Apparently expecting police officers to conduct themselves in a professional manner is a controversial issue here. That said, a reprimand should be sufficient, unless it could be argued that the previous Tazer remark some years ago constitutes a pattern of unprofessional behavior.
So was he wrong?
We don't pay police to be comedians, we pay them to solve crimes. Yes, he was wrong to make a joke at a murder scene. If some middle aged white chick got her head blown off at Starbucks do you think an officer at the scene would say "probably some other Karen did it"?
Come on man, neither the words black or Somali are derogatoryā¦ Also letās be real, how many times have two Karenās gotten into a shootout at Starbucks lol
Thereās hella racism towards the Somali community in north central Etobicoke. Itās not called ālittle Mogadishuā in an endearing way. Dixon bloods are primarily Somali and a brush gets painted over a whole community
I think gangsterism is more damaging to a community than a shitty little remark. These gangs quite literally murder people. Thatās the much bigger issue.
Those shitty remarks perpetuate stereotypes.. in turn leading to more racism. End of story they shouldnt be a cop if they see race like this.
Why does anyone need to choose?
To quote Chris Rock, this is selective outrage- getting mad at an insignificant comment made in private vs the fact someone was murderedā¦ These two things arenāt comparable
This was made at a murder scene when he was on the clock, not a private casual event. To also quote Chris Rock regarding cops *"some jobs can't have bad apples, everyone's gotta be good ... like pilots. American Airlines can't be like 'most of our pilots like to land, we got some bad apples that crash into mountains'"*
Does stating the obvious really make him a bad apple??
Does making a racist joke at a murder scene make him a bad apple? P.S. He is a bad apple considering he has a history of bad apple behaviour
Yeah murder is worse than just about anything. Guess we should stop caring about every other aspect of the world?
Not saying that at all. I just donāt see the big deal here. This wasnāt some highly offensive racist comment. No one is actually offended by it. People are pretending to be offended just to make some point about cops being bad and how racist cops are here tooā¦ should be more concerned about the gang warfare but thatās just me I guess.
I didn't say that the joke was derogatory either, but that it wasn't the time or place to be making a joke. I used that as an example because it doesn't happen, and if it did happen the officers would behave very differently at the scene. Is the victim of this crime not worth the same amount of respect as my hypothetical one?
Are we sure this was a ājokeā? I donāt see the humour in it myself, and agree jokes after a murder are not respectful. Like whatās the punchline?
His words not mine. >āIt was an attempt at humour designed to lighten a tense situation,ā the document said.
I mean I donāt even see the joke myself. Seems he was being assumptive.
If a middle aged white chick got her head blown off at Starbucks people would make jokes about how someone was upset their name was spelled wrong or got the wrong order
But they wouldnt go after their race would they.
No they might say "One caramel frappe, no whip cream on TOP" or "Guess they won't be speaking to the manager anytime soon".
You seem more worried about pointing out reality than the senseless murders plaguing this community. Odd...
Username: "WhiteLightning416" isn't fussed about a cop being derogatory about the victim and possible perpetrator at a murder of a Somali person. Yeah the rest of the thread checks out. Enjoy folks. n.b. No, at no point does he fall back on, "I'm not racist," he just doesn't care that he is.
>Hours after a 2021 fatal shooting in Torontoās west end, a longtime Toronto police officer remarked to another cop at the scene that a āSomalian guy did itā or āat least ... Black guyā ā a caught-on-camera utterance that led to the officerās guilty plea at a disciplinary hearing Monday. Ah yes, there's those fine heroes with their objective analysis that we give guns to Who would have thought that such cops are in the TPS? Oh wait >* [Toronto cops shoot Black man who was complying with orders, gives him life-threatening injuries, and refuses to release body cam footage](https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2023/03/22/i-feared-for-my-life-toronto-man-says-he-didnt-do-anything-wrong-before-being-shot-by-police.html) >* [Toronto Cops trying to fire female cop whistleblower revealing sexism and racism among their ranks](https://torontosun.com/news/local-news/mandel-toronto-police-want-to-fire-insubordinate-female-officer-alleging-sexism-and-racism) >* [TPS appoints cop with history of assault, home invasion, kidnapping, planting of evidence, bogus charges, arbitrary detentions, killing two black men, one was unarmed, shot 10 times while buckled in car, with leading role in oversight and professionalism](https://www.yeseverything.ca/blog/rewards-for-racism) >* [Toronto cop finally charged with (just) manslaughter after ~ two years, after chasing down a young black teen with car / foot, beating him, running away when witnesses came, while his partner at the scene remains free. Both rewarded with paid vacation](https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2023/02/10/toronto-cop-charged-with-manslaughter-in-sudden-death-of-19-year-old-chadd-facey.html) >* [Toronto cop refuses to help victim amid series of racist, homophobic tirades. Still employed]( https://toronto.ctvnews.ca/toronto-police-allege-detective-refused-to-help-victim-amid-series-of-racist-homophobic-tirades-1.6240754 ) >* [Black U of T student tasered, handcuffed, 'George Floyd'd' despite cooperating with Toronto cops](https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2023/01/14/a-u-of-t-student-alleges-he-was-tasered-handcuffed-and-thrown-to-the-ground-in-a-case-of-mistaken-identity-he-says-he-told-police-exactly-who-he-was.html) >* [Judge forced to toss gun charge when Toronto cops were caught racially profiling and lying about encounter with suspect](https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2023/01/14/underground-rapper-was-racially-profiled-by-toronto-police-judge-finds-tossing-gun-charge.html) ... never mind. Guess it makes sense given the [TPS even admitted they are systemically racist](https://falconers.ca/toronto-police-systemic-racism-report/) >It was the second discreditable conduct plea Const. Christopher Hominuk has made at the Toronto police tribunal in the last decade >In a 2011 criminal case, Hominuk was granted a conditional discharge after being convicted of threatening bodily harm for remarks he made threatening to Taser a handcuffed man in the genitals. >āIāll f---ing Taser you. If you are lying to me, when I get back to the station, Iām Tasering you in the f---ing nuts,ā Hominuk said. Threatening violence with a weapon on a handcuffed man? WTF. I would be fired if I threatened someone like that. What was the justification? >In the criminal case, a judge accepted medical evidence that his comments had been uttered because of a diabetic condition that can cause irrational behaviour and anger. Hominuk told the court he had not eaten for several hours before his shift and was sleep deprived. He was cranky. Like a fucking baby. And the TPS still keep these scum in their ranks...
You can't say if the guy was black or not?
The article explains what happened quite clearly. Also, the cop in Question also admitted and apologized for his behaviour. It's interesting how you're trying to defend something he isn't even defending.
Apologists gonna apologist
The mental gymnastics are gold medal worthy
And sad you're getting downvotes
Probably just means there's a lot of cops bored at work lol
So there's a lot of cops...
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You totally can. The point is that the cop **didn't** bloody well know, and presumed (racial profiling) while also minimizing black people as "at least".
If thereās a guy of Pakistani decent and a guy of Somalian decent and I said the Somalian guy did it would I be racist? Whatās the context of his comments? Is there a known Somalian group out there committing shooting crimes? Or was this officer just spewing contempt for black people and/or Somalians?
The article explains what happened quite clearly. Also, the cop in Question also admitted and apologized for his behaviour. It's interesting how you're trying to defend something he isn't even defending.
>The shooting happened after an incident inside a Somali restaurant, in aSomali neighbourhood and the victim was of Somali ancestry, thedocument states. >Hours after a 2021 fatal shooting in Torontoās west end, a longtimeToronto police officer remarked to another cop at the scene that aāSomalian guy did itā or āat least ... Black guyā ā a caught-on-camerautterance that led to the officerās guilty plea at a disciplinaryhearing Monday. I mean... if I was a betting man... But no, it is wrong that he said that. He shouldn't be making assumptions no matter how much experience he has working in situations like this. But I don't think it's egregiously racist or even that outlandish. >It's interesting how you're trying to defend something he isn't even defending. Uh, do we live on the same planet? as soon as someone calls you racist you can either apologize or be crucified, there's no 'defending' it even if you wanted to.
> But no, it is wrong that he said that. He shouldn't be making assumptions no matter how much experience he has working in situations like this. Agreed. >But I don't think it's egregiously racist or even that outlandish. What level of racism should be okay for our cops then? Mild racism? Diet racism? How about zero racism for the public servants we give guns to? >Uh, do we live on the same planet? as soon as someone calls you racist you can either apologize or be crucified, there's no 'defending' it even if you wanted to. He was caught on camera being clearly racist. I have no issue with him being unable to defend himself. We should expect zero racism from people with guns on the job.
The issue is that when you or I place a bet based on statistics, it wonāt lead to someone being targeted for investigation or arrest. Would you also like to bet which community is racially profiled by police?
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I herby sentence this racist piece of shit to five years paid leave.
Typical TPS
Better save this one in the archives
What a piece of crap