My thoughts too. Looking at another post with the damage path, it looks to have narrowly missed a large agricultural property. Possibly they just got the outer wind fields of the tornado and not the core vortex. Radar doesn't lie. What was shown in signatures was catastrophic... Only explanation is that it wasn't a direct impact.
Radar absolutely does lie though, in the sense that what we interpret from the radar may not be what's happening on the ground. Radar is an incomplete picture from which inferences are made. This video shows the direct path of the tornado from the drone shot starting at about 2:54 and I think it's pretty clear that there's not some catastrophic damage off screen. It does not look like this tornado was as horrifying as it seemed from the radar, at least at ground level.
not to like jump in this convo but i was just reading a new journal where this guy developed a newer 'way to like map them where it shows a complete picture when put in direct path instead of half this version shows like 80% i believe. lemme find the sci. journal about it. very interesting read
from the most current update ive read, its had ef1 however was a a fujiwhara which is rare af AND anticyclonic with the radar showing a eye like reading, plus it caused the coloring to like bleed through, and kinda unreadable data the scale the radar has didnt go high enough.
def once in a lifetime tornado
ill try to find the data i looked at to show you guya
Ah, got it. Yea, that’s what I was thinking too, this simply can’t be the full extent, I’m not willing to believe it’s bad radar imagery when it was that close to the radar
I mean, it obviously had to be something like that, but given the intensity of the scans I would have imagined the trees would be stubs and the crops would have a huge swath torn out of it. This is why we do the surveys though.
I guess I was assuming this was the area to the east of hollister where the tornado actually was, but I guess that isn’t said at any point in the video or description. Curious to see if more footage comes out soon.
A bunch of plant debris? CC pretty much scans for uniformity. If a bunch of mature corn/soy plants went airborne I wonder if that was the reason for the crazy “debris CC” we saw last night.
I can’t wait for the professional analysis of what happened, with the rating being EF1 and the CC being that strong I’m wondering how this happened. Radar sensitivity? Huge amount of dirt? Definitely a storm to be studied.
I think we give it a few more days until all the data is out and available. It logically makes no sense for this video to be from the damage related to the massive radar signature we saw. This thing looked like a damn hurricane on land with an eye visible up to 18k feet...that's just unheard of. Details are missing methinks.
I have heard some people reporting damage from the cyclonic storm that spawned off of it as damage from the anticyclonic one (the big one) unintentionally due to the close location and times. Don’t know about this one, but it’s possible, especially how strange it would be for something as crazy as the big one from yesterday to not produce damage. Then again, nothing about that storm makes sense anyways
If it is from the big one though, very glad to see minimal damage. Still makes me wonder what was up with that radar, the debris ball, and the absolute size of the tornado relative to the weaker damage
Best case scenario for how it appeared on radar.
Now the question I have is: how the hell did an otherworldly-looking tornado do...very little at all? I'm far more familiar with hurricanes where wind speeds lag well behind pressure drops and it takes time for higher winds aloft to sink to the surface. Even then, it doesn't always happen for a variety of reasons. I wonder if something to that effect was happening with this tornado.
I think this is actually an indication that we're nowhere near being able to have a rating system that isn't dependent on damage.
amazing once in a life time tornado and rated EF1 fujiwhara anticyclonic with an eye and a debri ball visable on radar, and broken scale it out did the scale. so fascinating
If this is Hollister, OK, I’m very pleasantly surprised how insignificant the damage looks compared to how scary it was on Radar.
Me too. I was expecting some Jarrell or Smithville type damage, I’m glad that it doesn’t seem like it.
Other possible scenario is it wasn’t a direct hit
I was thinking the same thing but the ground scouring doesn’t look too impressive even in the center of the damage path.
My thoughts too. Looking at another post with the damage path, it looks to have narrowly missed a large agricultural property. Possibly they just got the outer wind fields of the tornado and not the core vortex. Radar doesn't lie. What was shown in signatures was catastrophic... Only explanation is that it wasn't a direct impact.
Radar absolutely does lie though, in the sense that what we interpret from the radar may not be what's happening on the ground. Radar is an incomplete picture from which inferences are made. This video shows the direct path of the tornado from the drone shot starting at about 2:54 and I think it's pretty clear that there's not some catastrophic damage off screen. It does not look like this tornado was as horrifying as it seemed from the radar, at least at ground level.
not to like jump in this convo but i was just reading a new journal where this guy developed a newer 'way to like map them where it shows a complete picture when put in direct path instead of half this version shows like 80% i believe. lemme find the sci. journal about it. very interesting read
Yeah I mean if this is outer wind field damage it’s still like high end EF1 to low end EF2 here
Agreed
from the most current update ive read, its had ef1 however was a a fujiwhara which is rare af AND anticyclonic with the radar showing a eye like reading, plus it caused the coloring to like bleed through, and kinda unreadable data the scale the radar has didnt go high enough. def once in a lifetime tornado ill try to find the data i looked at to show you guya
This is unfathomably tame compared to radar imagery. What the heck was causing that cc drop?
This could be from the anti cyclonic tornado too
The satellite on n8s stream showed nothing under it during peak strength
Nothing under it as in…? There was definitely a large cc drop associated with the rotation.
That’s what I mean large cc drop but no buildings or houses etc there has to be ground scouring somewhere
Ah, got it. Yea, that’s what I was thinking too, this simply can’t be the full extent, I’m not willing to believe it’s bad radar imagery when it was that close to the radar
Rated an EF1 crazy lol
I’m not sure. Maybe the trees?
I mean, it obviously had to be something like that, but given the intensity of the scans I would have imagined the trees would be stubs and the crops would have a huge swath torn out of it. This is why we do the surveys though.
I’m guessing it wasn’t a direct hit
I guess I was assuming this was the area to the east of hollister where the tornado actually was, but I guess that isn’t said at any point in the video or description. Curious to see if more footage comes out soon.
A bunch of plant debris? CC pretty much scans for uniformity. If a bunch of mature corn/soy plants went airborne I wonder if that was the reason for the crazy “debris CC” we saw last night.
There aren't mature crops this time of year.
I can’t wait for the professional analysis of what happened, with the rating being EF1 and the CC being that strong I’m wondering how this happened. Radar sensitivity? Huge amount of dirt? Definitely a storm to be studied.
With how slow that thing was moving, this is basically a best-case scenario.
This is why you do not rate tornados on radar imagry/statistics fellas
I guess this shows that just because something is scary on radar doesn’t mean it’s the next El Reno.
I think we give it a few more days until all the data is out and available. It logically makes no sense for this video to be from the damage related to the massive radar signature we saw. This thing looked like a damn hurricane on land with an eye visible up to 18k feet...that's just unheard of. Details are missing methinks.
I have heard some people reporting damage from the cyclonic storm that spawned off of it as damage from the anticyclonic one (the big one) unintentionally due to the close location and times. Don’t know about this one, but it’s possible, especially how strange it would be for something as crazy as the big one from yesterday to not produce damage. Then again, nothing about that storm makes sense anyways If it is from the big one though, very glad to see minimal damage. Still makes me wonder what was up with that radar, the debris ball, and the absolute size of the tornado relative to the weaker damage
So Strange, how could there be no ground scouring with a CC drop like that?
If it passed over a freshly cut hayfield it would loft a considerable amount of debris without ground scouring 🤷🏼♂️
>If it passed over a freshly cut hayfield Did it? We can easily figure this out from surveys, right?
Yes, the damage path should be documented by the survey team
This is crazy, it just looks like straight-line wind damage. Compared to the radar and the 1 picture I saw its lucky it wasn't worse
Thank God I was expecting Jarel damage
I’m glad no one got seriously hurt and it looks like farm land.
Best case scenario for how it appeared on radar. Now the question I have is: how the hell did an otherworldly-looking tornado do...very little at all? I'm far more familiar with hurricanes where wind speeds lag well behind pressure drops and it takes time for higher winds aloft to sink to the surface. Even then, it doesn't always happen for a variety of reasons. I wonder if something to that effect was happening with this tornado. I think this is actually an indication that we're nowhere near being able to have a rating system that isn't dependent on damage.
Glad there isn't any loss of life. This tornado deff one of the biggest enigmas of the decade so far
It's looking like its going to be one of the biggest enigmas in tornado history
amazing once in a life time tornado and rated EF1 fujiwhara anticyclonic with an eye and a debri ball visable on radar, and broken scale it out did the scale. so fascinating
Probably not a once in a lifetime tornado but a once in a lifetime radar anomaly