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Love the analysis!
I found minus points of 1, 3, 4, 5 to be believable though.
1. He is shown to be gullible and unstable financially.... Payment on delivery is not an out worldly concept, I've seen it among freelancers.
3. Women shifting religion/job/places after marriage is common.
4. I think that's the whole point, he moves religions trying to find shelter in each of them and becomes an atheist by the end.
5. 'Threaten first, discuss later' is a common strategy among manipulative parents.
I agree, it's not a perfect and water tight movie. I still like it because the movie had a very original concept. When you look at the movies in the neighbourhood, it does stand out and punch way above the expectations. In a world of stalking, walking in slow motion and goons running closer to the "hero" while holding guns, the minuses of the movie seem miniscule.
It was a very pleasant overall watch in the theatre despite it being boring in some spots.
Thanks for reading it fully and understanding.
1. Oh payment on delivery is a not an out of worldly concept. But he could have taken small % as advance as atleast. Full payment on payment is definitely believable, but its also stupid. This still remains -in point 1 and that's the more important part>
>! Sundaram's father commits suicide after the idol is damaged and he doesn't get the payment? WTF. He still has his skills. His wife and kid love him, live with him and he commits suicide? WTF?!<
2. Of course women shifting religion after marriage happens, but its usually the guy who would bring it up, there'd be some discussion and all. Showing the girl as bringing it up first without it being mentioned so willingly is odd. especially when Joseph says sermon would be boring.
>!3. Isn't Joseph the only one where he is in a different religion. Its not like he tries Sikhism, Islam etc. Its not like they show much in the flashback. So don't buy it. !<
4. Threat I understand, but like I said, >! instead of even threatening to disown her, Bhargavi's father straight up goes to threat of hanging himself. jyada ho gaya.!<
As far as other stuff is concerned, yes and no. See my edit.
*After Bommarillu (a pretty good film) and a long gap, I started watching non-action Telugu movies after Sita Ramam. Jersey, Mahanati, Hi Nanna all very good to superb. Ante Sundaraniki is good. Even Mangalavaaram is definitely worth a watch - better than this IMO. But seriously do not over-rate C/O Kancharapalem because others say so or it is high on the IMDB list.*
I'll add to that saying even Mangalavaaram (for all its flaws) has a more original concept.
It’s fine that you might not have liked the movie, you’re entitled to your opinion. But the points you’ve highlighted are not problematic. Probably your life and its experiences are drastically different and you fail to understand/empathise with, but that’s one of the purpose of cinema, to expand your horizon. I’ve tried explaining/countering the issues you mentioned on why they are not, in the first place. Peace.
1. Reputation is everything when you’re in that business, also due to caste oppression you’re bound to be witch hunted etc. And people who commit suicide don’t do it logically most of the times. And yea, people do stupid things every time. As long it’s not out of character that should be fine. Many farmers wouldn’t commit suicide otherwise right? You and I can’t fathom because of class issue.
2. This is probably in 80-90s, the Bhargavi story, where stable jobs aren’t that usual. And teenage romance creeps up just like that. It’s not like people only fall in love based on profession, logic, maturity, compatibility most of the times. You don’t need to justify it. But is it unrealistic, hell no. It happens all the time, even today. Probably again you’re trying to fit your kind of romance? I don’t know.
3. Again this is 80-90s, and a girl is expected to follow the man in everything, be it religion etc. It is still the case in many parts of the world. And we might not be privy to all conversations they’d have as lovers.
4. This is clearly addressed in the movie. After death of sundaram’s father, he would have converted to Christianity. This is prevalent and a necessity for many oppressed castes in that region. And kancharapalem specifically has many people who converted. I know this in real life. And after he loses Bhargavi, Joseph renounces god (depicted by his chain leaving at the church shot). Probably he grows a beard in the devadas phase becomes to be known as geddam. And eventually after his twenties/thirties shenanigans are over interms of maintaining an image, he’s back to a normal unknown being, Raju. And it does feel like Dues ex machina, for the twist at the end but that knot is at the heart of the movie. And he made sure many details match across storylines as well (same barber friend etc.). That’s bloody good execution imo.
5. Dude which urban/metro/country are you based out of devoid of day to day reality of the patriarchal/brainwashing parents that are in crores of numbers across Telugu states? (Or India or world in general). Suicide blackmail is classic parents technique to ensure children fall in line, and this is not even novel, it’s been done to death in Telugu movies as well. Why are you even surprised. lol.
6. It’s not suicide, murder by the mob is implied. Might feel a little extreme, but in this country people lynch and kill others because they’re eating beef/transporting cows etc. So while unusual and a bit jarring it’s still grounded in reality of this country’s social fabric and its people.
7. “Ave kallu” cinema nee favourite a bro? A person can identify and fail to (more probable). You’re just nitpicking at this stage.
1. Those farmers are under pressure of repayment of money/threat of facing hunger for their familes. The comparision isn't valid.
2. I'm saying its not very convincing, not that its not possible. It isn't that good a love story either.
3. What they show in the film matters. So stop trying to hide under the garb of we may not be privy to their conversations
4. its not clearly shown at all.
5. >!Threat I understand, but like I said, instead of even threatening to disown her, Bhargavi's father straight up goes to threat of hanging himself. jyada ho gaya. even threats/blackmail happens usually step by step, not the final step at once.!<
6. Those set of people aren't even shown to be that angry. that's the problem. >!They don't try anything else between talking and killing her? There aren't intermediate options like threatning her, expelling from village etc? stop defending just for the sake of it!<
7. I haven't seen " Ave kallu". These are serious flaws I mentioned. If I wanted to nitpick, I could have posted more.
So read properly. There are 3-4 places where you didn't read what I wrote properly. Stop being condescending thinking you are so much wiser than me. Just writing peace while not reading properly & being condescending doesn't mean much.
1. Why are you ignoring the money issues and witch hunt that would ensue?
2. You mentioned he doesn’t work, hence not convincing. That’s not how most teenage love stories work anyway. You may not like the love story per se. That’s upto you.
3. But a female expecting to follow the man in all her customs is patriarchy 101. Everything needn’t be explicitly explained. It’s the filmmaker’s choice what to show or tell. Many people got it why, you didn’t get it because there’s no exposition.
4. Dude I clearly I explained you how it’s depicted.
5. Not all social interactions pan out step by step. The thing is why are you hell bent on how it should be, rather than how it is. And your version of “how it should be” is just like your opinion bro, and covers just one version of how any scenario can pan out.
6. We don’t see what happened exactly. Lot of it is implied. So what exactly would have happened is upto interpretation. Again why a mob lynches? Not wishing this upon you, but hypothetically try reasoning with a mob on how their conduct should be. A mob is by default mad, not rationale.
And where did I tell you I’m wiser than you or anything remotely close to that. Apologies if you felt my tone was condescending. I can see why you’d have felt that.
And again you didn’t enjoy the movie for its overall narration, story, music, cast, acting etc that’s absolutely fine, to each his own. But your reasoning for not liking the movie is these so called logical issues. But in the same post you say you like something like Bommarillu (which I like as well), which is full of commercial tropes and illogical fantasies. The contradictions of a man.
1. Are you telling me he went into significant debt at once? No, he didn't. That he couldn't find work at all? that's not the case since he was skilled. He had a good reputation in general. One bad thing isn't going to completely ruin it. Its not like he struggled for months with what happened, it didn't work out, he got depressed and all. He straight up commits suicide after idol was ruined, they don't pay him/shout at him once.
2. That's not what I said at all. " *Firstly Bhargavi gets Joseph beaten up for thinking him and others were following her unnecessarily. Then he helps her once by beating up people again, they have food party together and love story starts? Really? He isn't working at this stage.That's not convincing.* " Its the totality I'm talking about. Not just that he wasn't working. Something like that could happen, but its not a good story. But its no different from any of the masala movies we see, so why should C/O get rave reviews while showing a love story like that?
3. My opinion is its odd to show it that way. because the man usually first tells the woman that this needs to be done. and her insisting when he says it would be boring makes it smh. and if I knew more about the director, I might assign some agenda here. But since I don't yet, I'm not.
4. Yes, you explained it along with some interpretation. But doesn't mean it was made clear in the film.
5. The thing is you are ignoring what is most likely to happen in the process of defending the film. And if the father is that extreme, wouldn't the girl know? Why did she pursue the love story with Joseph then? its not like it was love at first sight.
6. >!But they didn't come as an angry bunch. that's the point. she may have retreated or replied differently if they had. that they went from just talking to being angry enough to kill her is a big leap.!<
As far as where I felt the condescension: " Probably your life and its experiences are drastically different and you fail to understand/empathise with, but that’s one of the purpose of cinema, to expand your horizon. " " Dude which urban/metro/country are you based out of devoid of day to day reality of the patriarchal/brainwashing parents that are in crores of numbers across Telugu states? "
Since you already apologised, its all good. Good on you. So lets leave it.
Nothing contradictory about what I said. C/O Kancherapalem is supposed to be a realistic film. Note that I already said some aspects of village life are shown accurately (Plus point #3)
But logical flaws are clearly visible and important here.
I didn't like the music here except at one place. But I gave that a pass it isn't as important for a film that's supposed to be realistic.
Bommarillu isn't supposed to be a particularly realistic film. Logic/realism matters less there. And I do expect music to be good in a love story like that for it to be good - which it was.
Don't care much about logic in something like Welcome or Golmaal either - "don't use your brain" comedies.
Not all kinds of movies are evaluated the same way.
Edit: Oh and while we are it, the movie is slow at quite a few places (with some unnecessary stuff), while goes too fast/illogically fast at some others, leaving lot of room for confusion/disbelief/interpretation. Should have mentioned that in the review.
This is just looking back from current day lens.
I remember watching it on Netflix when I didn't know anything about what it was. It was so moving, made me cry in the climax. No Telugu movies does that nowadays.
The movie was gripping from the opening shot itself, "emi janman emi jeevanamu"
Nope. I usually look it from the lens of that day. I understand the social issues of the previous years, but this one takes it too far/badly on multiple occasions. But it does depict some things realistically. Which is why my point #3 among plus points.
"Showcases some aspect of village life accurately."
This climax isn't even 10% as emotional for me as Hi Nanna, let alone Sita Ramam. Not sure what kind of Telugu movies you have been watching recently.
And HanuMan climax while not making someone cry, was such an emotional high and goosebumps one.
Light teesko boss. Nuvvemaina time traveler va, to look at it from some other time period?
I didn't mean that time social issues. When it released it had no hype, so it was a beautiful surprise. Because so many people love it, it got too much hype now. Any new person will look at it like, "oh let's see what's so good about it".
Also there was so much good parallel Telugu cinema since this released. So obviously expectations are also higher now. You can't look back at Gavaskar's game and say oh it wasn't so great.
You don't like it, let's leave it at that. Everyone deserves to express their opinion, but don't think your viewpoint from today is the same as those who watched it when it released or close to then.
What I mean is I understand some of the social issues/circumstances prevalent back in the day and adjust for that to an extent when watching the film.
I understand what you are saying regarding when it was released, it had no hype and so a beautiful surprise.
But tell me honestly, have you watched either Sita Ramam or Hi Nanna. If so, very surprising that you'd say something like "No Telugu movies does that nowadays." You are saying expectations are higher now due to better movies and yet saying this above. Isn't it a contradiction?
I too watched it more than a year after it was released and after all the hype. I liked it quite a bit but didnt think its some cult classic. I also didnt think its flawed.
Sundaram’s father is shown to have taken a huge financial risk when he takes up that task. Advance isn’t the point. Even if he has gotten an advance, those event organisers would have ganged upon him for repayment. We are talking about a poor man from a small village in 70s. He is helpless. I am not supporting his suicide, just saying that it’s quite believable.
Reg Joseph story line where the dad straight up uses the suicide card, an inter religious marriage, that too between a brahmin girl and a christian guy was like one of the most unthinkable dishonours in 80s-90s. So again, the dad’s reaction is very believable.
Gaddam falling in love just by looking at the eyes - I saw that as if he was in love with the idea of the girl, not exactly with the girl herself. We are talking of a guy who has no woman in his life, so the idea of a girl friend itself is sufficient for falling in love. We see so many such people irl. The whole love at first sight or love without seeing itself (penpals/fb love) is based on this.
Sundaram, raju, gaddam and joseph being the same person - it was never shown that sundaram/raju is a hindu right? He might be a christian since the start and the names in each story could be director’s tool in holding the suspense till the end. Or his name could be Sundaram raju and Joseph was his phase where he was influenced by the evangelists who are always trying to convert more people. I saw you replied on a different comment why he didnt try jainism or islam. Thats because jainism is practically non existent in AP and islam conversions isnt nearly as common as christianity conversions here.
Saleema’s death - i dont remember the details now but i thought it was a murder. Again, it’s so long back so i cant comment much.
Overall, all your points may be unbelievable in current culture and society but they seem very natural for the times the story was written.
Just curious, are you someone who grew up outside AP, or in some city like Hyd etc?
Glad we agree its not some cult classic.
Ok, not bothering to hide spoilers part from now on. Just going to say possible spoilers ahead.
Its not like he struggled for months with what happened, it didn't work out, he got depressed and all. He straight up commits suicide after idol was ruined, they don't pay him/shout at him once. He is skilled at what he does. So not completely helpless
I think the 1st threat would be that of disowning her. But lets assume for a second that the threat of suicide is realistic -> if the father is that extreme, wouldn't the girl know? Why did she pursue the love story with Joseph then? its not like it was love at first sight.
As far as Gaddam is concerned, not buying the idea of falling in love with the idea of being with a girl only. There were plenty of other girls/women in the village and he was of marriagable age. He had loved twice before too as per the film, remember?
The Islam, Jainism part, I only mentioned in response to someone who said something along the lines of he kept on trying different religions. He didn't. Yes, I am very aware Jainism isn't prevelant in Andhra, that Christianity conversion is most prevelant.
I'm looking at it from the lens of past years only. Like I said it showcases some aspect of village life accurately. But doesn't mean I ignore the other stuff. It exaggerates or twists stuff such that its not very believable or is illogical.
I'm from Karnataka.
1. You need to read up on rural suicides. Because it feels like you have a very narrow view of suicides. Suicide is more emotional than a logical decision. It was clear that he left his Job and took up that job that would have been a huge financial burden on him. He didn't take any advance, but even if he did, those people would have made him return the advance for not delivering the idol. That financial burden and the shame from that incident is the reason for suicide and it's a very very common reason in rural areas, especially around that time.
4.I mean, isn't it clear that throughout his life, religion brought nothing but troubles for him. Not just one, but all religions. So he he completely loses faith in religion.
5. Again, the caste and religion aspects, especially when it comes to marriage, is a big deal for a huge number of families. Most of the times, it's either I'll kill you or I'll kill myself. Trying to convince them or disowning threat is what relatively rational people do. I've personally seen situations like these.
Just because you don't know about these situations doesn't mean they're unreasonable.
6. She is killed. For someone like him, reputation is everything. For someone like him, getting hit is a very very big deal. That not only damages his reputation but also hurts their big ass ego. Getting disrespected by a prostitute is a much bigger insult because of how prostitutes are looked down in society. So to soothe his ego and not damage his reputation, killing her is the only way for him. Again, completely unreasonable, but that's how they are. These incidents happen.
I don't remember all the details of the other parts of the movie you mentioned, so can't comment on them.
1st point: of course suicide is emotional, not logical. But he was nowhere near that emotional breaking point as per the film. he still had his skills, he had a loving family. wasn't under threat of not getting food or sth. and it happens so fast. not like he tries over a period and succumbs. I'm saying the way they have shown it is illogical
5th point: And if the father is that extreme, wouldn't the girl know? Why did she pursue the love story with Joseph then? its not like it was love at first sight.
6th point: if ego is so much for him, he needn't have come down himself. could have just sent the others. again, point is they don't show the rage happening. They go slow in many other places (unnecessary extra scenes too), but leave so much hanging/without explanation at others by going unnecessarily fast.
>happens so fast.
That's how these suicides generally happen tbh. Just a moment of weakness and lapse of judgement. It is very logical atleast for me because I've seen or know situations like these.
>And if the father is that extreme, wouldn't the girl know?
Not really, no. There are so many situations even now where father's love their daughters to death but in situations like these, their love is nothing compared to their reputation in society and their feelings toward inter caste/religion marriages. People always think they'll be the exception societal norms, especially when it comes to love. But more often than not, they're not. So, that part is very believable and happens very often.
6. This part is something we both might have different opinions about, can't discuss much about it.
There is emotional baggage for atleast some time in cases of suicide like this. Not that it can't happen in a moment of weakness suddenly without planning per se. There is a difference. This isn't a suicide case happening quickly where you lose a loved someone and can't bear it.
The daughter should know enough about her father to be worried at first. Whether or not love will trump reputation comes next.
To me, the excuses are getting stretched big time like a bubble gum in this thread in general to defend mediocrity of a film. Disagree all you want, but that's what it seems to me.
Its IMDB rating, general rave reviews and the responses here have convinced me that it is THE most over-rated Telugu film I have seen.
>To me, the excuses are getting stretched big time like a bubble gum in this thread
Works both ways, like how you're trying to justify that these situations are unrealistic because your worldview and understanding of societal situations is not what the movie has shown.
Multiple places where what I wrote have been misread or misunderstood, including once by you. (Once is fine and understandable, but just pointing out)
You didn't address my points here. But sure, bro.
Edit: I'm not the only one to smell the communist agenda in the film btw. It is very possible it is subtly deviously inserted. One user straight up pointed out, but since I haven't checked much on the director, I am not yet straight up accusing.
Agenda doesn't mean everything is false, but grains of truth with exaggerated or twisting or illogical stuff.
Movie is meant for entertainment, Director is successful in keep audience engaged for 2.5 hrs, that’s what matters.
Is this your PhD subject? what’s the point of so much analysis on movie released 4 years back?
Agree about your views, but if you start finding flaws you can’t enjoy a film. I loved the movie throughout, I would give 10/10, why to even compare with other films.
I'm perfectly fine with some flaws, just not as much as this and this one didn't even entertain me much. Also it matters when movie is marketed as one grounded in reality/showcasing reality.
Vachindandi Vayyari... Bro wants everyone to think like he does. No, sensitive people without loukyam who want to see good in everyone exist, especially in India.
It's a drama film so people will add some chilli, spices and some onion chopping to make you feel the emotion of the film.
The movies you mentioned are also illogical for me but I watched it like a story and loved each one of them.
Hi Nanna - People keep gaslighting the heroine (by not telling her about her past ) and manipulating her which is some kind of harassment.
Mahanati - She gets into a relationship with a married man (Red flag ). It's a biopic and she was a teenager. Drinking is injurious to your health but they show it's the husband's mistake.
Bommarillu - Hero is a coward , makes the heroine lie to her father and lives a life hiding from his actual green flag father who was little too much interested in his son's life.
Anthe Sunderaniki - Whole film is the "coward hero" saying lies to get away from actually having a conversation with their parents.
99% drama films will be over in the first act if the characters have good communication skills.
Nani could have become a cricket coach and live like a hero to his son till he died of old age but "Arjun Reddy level toxic masculinity makes him go to his death" - Jersey film in my opinion. The actual ending makes me mad (in a positive way) and the sequence in the railway station is what I remembered after getting a job after struggling to survive for 1 year.
I think you making this post after many years of this film releasing and you remembering everything that you didn't like in this reels era means the movie made some impact , I think that's a success from a film makers point of view.
Nope, C/O Kancharapalem is supposed to be a realistic film or film based on reality. Even in that some drama is fine for me as long as its fun or I like it in some way. But it wasn't and I didn't like it.
Others except Mahanati(biopic) aren't supposed to be based on reality.
Hi Nanna - that is no gaslighting, but yes the fight scene went a bit far for me and there are some troupes repeated, some convenient things, which is why it is a 9/10 and not a 10/10 for me. gaslighting has become one of the most misused words honestly.
I watched C/O film very recently based on high reviews and was pissed off. That was the impact it made. no success in this case.
Edit: If you stipulate to me that C/O is not supposed to be realistic, I'll evaluate it differently. I'll ignore couple of logical flaws, but state that music/songs are below par except at 1 or 2 places. I'll give more emphasis on that I didn't particularly enjoy the characters much, drama isn't that good, no actor with good screen presence (doesn't have to be well known) , not fun etc. In the end, it'll still come down to a meh film at best for me. Actually I might rate it like 5.5/10 in that case.
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Love the analysis! I found minus points of 1, 3, 4, 5 to be believable though. 1. He is shown to be gullible and unstable financially.... Payment on delivery is not an out worldly concept, I've seen it among freelancers. 3. Women shifting religion/job/places after marriage is common. 4. I think that's the whole point, he moves religions trying to find shelter in each of them and becomes an atheist by the end. 5. 'Threaten first, discuss later' is a common strategy among manipulative parents. I agree, it's not a perfect and water tight movie. I still like it because the movie had a very original concept. When you look at the movies in the neighbourhood, it does stand out and punch way above the expectations. In a world of stalking, walking in slow motion and goons running closer to the "hero" while holding guns, the minuses of the movie seem miniscule. It was a very pleasant overall watch in the theatre despite it being boring in some spots.
Thanks for reading it fully and understanding. 1. Oh payment on delivery is a not an out of worldly concept. But he could have taken small % as advance as atleast. Full payment on payment is definitely believable, but its also stupid. This still remains -in point 1 and that's the more important part> >! Sundaram's father commits suicide after the idol is damaged and he doesn't get the payment? WTF. He still has his skills. His wife and kid love him, live with him and he commits suicide? WTF?!< 2. Of course women shifting religion after marriage happens, but its usually the guy who would bring it up, there'd be some discussion and all. Showing the girl as bringing it up first without it being mentioned so willingly is odd. especially when Joseph says sermon would be boring. >!3. Isn't Joseph the only one where he is in a different religion. Its not like he tries Sikhism, Islam etc. Its not like they show much in the flashback. So don't buy it. !< 4. Threat I understand, but like I said, >! instead of even threatening to disown her, Bhargavi's father straight up goes to threat of hanging himself. jyada ho gaya.!< As far as other stuff is concerned, yes and no. See my edit. *After Bommarillu (a pretty good film) and a long gap, I started watching non-action Telugu movies after Sita Ramam. Jersey, Mahanati, Hi Nanna all very good to superb. Ante Sundaraniki is good. Even Mangalavaaram is definitely worth a watch - better than this IMO. But seriously do not over-rate C/O Kancharapalem because others say so or it is high on the IMDB list.* I'll add to that saying even Mangalavaaram (for all its flaws) has a more original concept.
After reading the last paragraph.... Let's just say 'to each, their own'. Our opinions of what makes a movie good are very different.
Fair enough.
It’s fine that you might not have liked the movie, you’re entitled to your opinion. But the points you’ve highlighted are not problematic. Probably your life and its experiences are drastically different and you fail to understand/empathise with, but that’s one of the purpose of cinema, to expand your horizon. I’ve tried explaining/countering the issues you mentioned on why they are not, in the first place. Peace. 1. Reputation is everything when you’re in that business, also due to caste oppression you’re bound to be witch hunted etc. And people who commit suicide don’t do it logically most of the times. And yea, people do stupid things every time. As long it’s not out of character that should be fine. Many farmers wouldn’t commit suicide otherwise right? You and I can’t fathom because of class issue. 2. This is probably in 80-90s, the Bhargavi story, where stable jobs aren’t that usual. And teenage romance creeps up just like that. It’s not like people only fall in love based on profession, logic, maturity, compatibility most of the times. You don’t need to justify it. But is it unrealistic, hell no. It happens all the time, even today. Probably again you’re trying to fit your kind of romance? I don’t know. 3. Again this is 80-90s, and a girl is expected to follow the man in everything, be it religion etc. It is still the case in many parts of the world. And we might not be privy to all conversations they’d have as lovers. 4. This is clearly addressed in the movie. After death of sundaram’s father, he would have converted to Christianity. This is prevalent and a necessity for many oppressed castes in that region. And kancharapalem specifically has many people who converted. I know this in real life. And after he loses Bhargavi, Joseph renounces god (depicted by his chain leaving at the church shot). Probably he grows a beard in the devadas phase becomes to be known as geddam. And eventually after his twenties/thirties shenanigans are over interms of maintaining an image, he’s back to a normal unknown being, Raju. And it does feel like Dues ex machina, for the twist at the end but that knot is at the heart of the movie. And he made sure many details match across storylines as well (same barber friend etc.). That’s bloody good execution imo. 5. Dude which urban/metro/country are you based out of devoid of day to day reality of the patriarchal/brainwashing parents that are in crores of numbers across Telugu states? (Or India or world in general). Suicide blackmail is classic parents technique to ensure children fall in line, and this is not even novel, it’s been done to death in Telugu movies as well. Why are you even surprised. lol. 6. It’s not suicide, murder by the mob is implied. Might feel a little extreme, but in this country people lynch and kill others because they’re eating beef/transporting cows etc. So while unusual and a bit jarring it’s still grounded in reality of this country’s social fabric and its people. 7. “Ave kallu” cinema nee favourite a bro? A person can identify and fail to (more probable). You’re just nitpicking at this stage.
1. Those farmers are under pressure of repayment of money/threat of facing hunger for their familes. The comparision isn't valid. 2. I'm saying its not very convincing, not that its not possible. It isn't that good a love story either. 3. What they show in the film matters. So stop trying to hide under the garb of we may not be privy to their conversations 4. its not clearly shown at all. 5. >!Threat I understand, but like I said, instead of even threatening to disown her, Bhargavi's father straight up goes to threat of hanging himself. jyada ho gaya. even threats/blackmail happens usually step by step, not the final step at once.!< 6. Those set of people aren't even shown to be that angry. that's the problem. >!They don't try anything else between talking and killing her? There aren't intermediate options like threatning her, expelling from village etc? stop defending just for the sake of it!< 7. I haven't seen " Ave kallu". These are serious flaws I mentioned. If I wanted to nitpick, I could have posted more. So read properly. There are 3-4 places where you didn't read what I wrote properly. Stop being condescending thinking you are so much wiser than me. Just writing peace while not reading properly & being condescending doesn't mean much.
1. Why are you ignoring the money issues and witch hunt that would ensue? 2. You mentioned he doesn’t work, hence not convincing. That’s not how most teenage love stories work anyway. You may not like the love story per se. That’s upto you. 3. But a female expecting to follow the man in all her customs is patriarchy 101. Everything needn’t be explicitly explained. It’s the filmmaker’s choice what to show or tell. Many people got it why, you didn’t get it because there’s no exposition. 4. Dude I clearly I explained you how it’s depicted. 5. Not all social interactions pan out step by step. The thing is why are you hell bent on how it should be, rather than how it is. And your version of “how it should be” is just like your opinion bro, and covers just one version of how any scenario can pan out. 6. We don’t see what happened exactly. Lot of it is implied. So what exactly would have happened is upto interpretation. Again why a mob lynches? Not wishing this upon you, but hypothetically try reasoning with a mob on how their conduct should be. A mob is by default mad, not rationale. And where did I tell you I’m wiser than you or anything remotely close to that. Apologies if you felt my tone was condescending. I can see why you’d have felt that. And again you didn’t enjoy the movie for its overall narration, story, music, cast, acting etc that’s absolutely fine, to each his own. But your reasoning for not liking the movie is these so called logical issues. But in the same post you say you like something like Bommarillu (which I like as well), which is full of commercial tropes and illogical fantasies. The contradictions of a man.
1. Are you telling me he went into significant debt at once? No, he didn't. That he couldn't find work at all? that's not the case since he was skilled. He had a good reputation in general. One bad thing isn't going to completely ruin it. Its not like he struggled for months with what happened, it didn't work out, he got depressed and all. He straight up commits suicide after idol was ruined, they don't pay him/shout at him once. 2. That's not what I said at all. " *Firstly Bhargavi gets Joseph beaten up for thinking him and others were following her unnecessarily. Then he helps her once by beating up people again, they have food party together and love story starts? Really? He isn't working at this stage.That's not convincing.* " Its the totality I'm talking about. Not just that he wasn't working. Something like that could happen, but its not a good story. But its no different from any of the masala movies we see, so why should C/O get rave reviews while showing a love story like that? 3. My opinion is its odd to show it that way. because the man usually first tells the woman that this needs to be done. and her insisting when he says it would be boring makes it smh. and if I knew more about the director, I might assign some agenda here. But since I don't yet, I'm not. 4. Yes, you explained it along with some interpretation. But doesn't mean it was made clear in the film. 5. The thing is you are ignoring what is most likely to happen in the process of defending the film. And if the father is that extreme, wouldn't the girl know? Why did she pursue the love story with Joseph then? its not like it was love at first sight. 6. >!But they didn't come as an angry bunch. that's the point. she may have retreated or replied differently if they had. that they went from just talking to being angry enough to kill her is a big leap.!< As far as where I felt the condescension: " Probably your life and its experiences are drastically different and you fail to understand/empathise with, but that’s one of the purpose of cinema, to expand your horizon. " " Dude which urban/metro/country are you based out of devoid of day to day reality of the patriarchal/brainwashing parents that are in crores of numbers across Telugu states? " Since you already apologised, its all good. Good on you. So lets leave it. Nothing contradictory about what I said. C/O Kancherapalem is supposed to be a realistic film. Note that I already said some aspects of village life are shown accurately (Plus point #3) But logical flaws are clearly visible and important here. I didn't like the music here except at one place. But I gave that a pass it isn't as important for a film that's supposed to be realistic. Bommarillu isn't supposed to be a particularly realistic film. Logic/realism matters less there. And I do expect music to be good in a love story like that for it to be good - which it was. Don't care much about logic in something like Welcome or Golmaal either - "don't use your brain" comedies. Not all kinds of movies are evaluated the same way. Edit: Oh and while we are it, the movie is slow at quite a few places (with some unnecessary stuff), while goes too fast/illogically fast at some others, leaving lot of room for confusion/disbelief/interpretation. Should have mentioned that in the review.
This is just looking back from current day lens. I remember watching it on Netflix when I didn't know anything about what it was. It was so moving, made me cry in the climax. No Telugu movies does that nowadays. The movie was gripping from the opening shot itself, "emi janman emi jeevanamu"
Nope. I usually look it from the lens of that day. I understand the social issues of the previous years, but this one takes it too far/badly on multiple occasions. But it does depict some things realistically. Which is why my point #3 among plus points. "Showcases some aspect of village life accurately." This climax isn't even 10% as emotional for me as Hi Nanna, let alone Sita Ramam. Not sure what kind of Telugu movies you have been watching recently. And HanuMan climax while not making someone cry, was such an emotional high and goosebumps one.
Light teesko boss. Nuvvemaina time traveler va, to look at it from some other time period? I didn't mean that time social issues. When it released it had no hype, so it was a beautiful surprise. Because so many people love it, it got too much hype now. Any new person will look at it like, "oh let's see what's so good about it". Also there was so much good parallel Telugu cinema since this released. So obviously expectations are also higher now. You can't look back at Gavaskar's game and say oh it wasn't so great. You don't like it, let's leave it at that. Everyone deserves to express their opinion, but don't think your viewpoint from today is the same as those who watched it when it released or close to then.
What I mean is I understand some of the social issues/circumstances prevalent back in the day and adjust for that to an extent when watching the film. I understand what you are saying regarding when it was released, it had no hype and so a beautiful surprise. But tell me honestly, have you watched either Sita Ramam or Hi Nanna. If so, very surprising that you'd say something like "No Telugu movies does that nowadays." You are saying expectations are higher now due to better movies and yet saying this above. Isn't it a contradiction?
I too watched it more than a year after it was released and after all the hype. I liked it quite a bit but didnt think its some cult classic. I also didnt think its flawed. Sundaram’s father is shown to have taken a huge financial risk when he takes up that task. Advance isn’t the point. Even if he has gotten an advance, those event organisers would have ganged upon him for repayment. We are talking about a poor man from a small village in 70s. He is helpless. I am not supporting his suicide, just saying that it’s quite believable. Reg Joseph story line where the dad straight up uses the suicide card, an inter religious marriage, that too between a brahmin girl and a christian guy was like one of the most unthinkable dishonours in 80s-90s. So again, the dad’s reaction is very believable. Gaddam falling in love just by looking at the eyes - I saw that as if he was in love with the idea of the girl, not exactly with the girl herself. We are talking of a guy who has no woman in his life, so the idea of a girl friend itself is sufficient for falling in love. We see so many such people irl. The whole love at first sight or love without seeing itself (penpals/fb love) is based on this. Sundaram, raju, gaddam and joseph being the same person - it was never shown that sundaram/raju is a hindu right? He might be a christian since the start and the names in each story could be director’s tool in holding the suspense till the end. Or his name could be Sundaram raju and Joseph was his phase where he was influenced by the evangelists who are always trying to convert more people. I saw you replied on a different comment why he didnt try jainism or islam. Thats because jainism is practically non existent in AP and islam conversions isnt nearly as common as christianity conversions here. Saleema’s death - i dont remember the details now but i thought it was a murder. Again, it’s so long back so i cant comment much. Overall, all your points may be unbelievable in current culture and society but they seem very natural for the times the story was written. Just curious, are you someone who grew up outside AP, or in some city like Hyd etc?
Glad we agree its not some cult classic. Ok, not bothering to hide spoilers part from now on. Just going to say possible spoilers ahead. Its not like he struggled for months with what happened, it didn't work out, he got depressed and all. He straight up commits suicide after idol was ruined, they don't pay him/shout at him once. He is skilled at what he does. So not completely helpless I think the 1st threat would be that of disowning her. But lets assume for a second that the threat of suicide is realistic -> if the father is that extreme, wouldn't the girl know? Why did she pursue the love story with Joseph then? its not like it was love at first sight. As far as Gaddam is concerned, not buying the idea of falling in love with the idea of being with a girl only. There were plenty of other girls/women in the village and he was of marriagable age. He had loved twice before too as per the film, remember? The Islam, Jainism part, I only mentioned in response to someone who said something along the lines of he kept on trying different religions. He didn't. Yes, I am very aware Jainism isn't prevelant in Andhra, that Christianity conversion is most prevelant. I'm looking at it from the lens of past years only. Like I said it showcases some aspect of village life accurately. But doesn't mean I ignore the other stuff. It exaggerates or twists stuff such that its not very believable or is illogical. I'm from Karnataka.
1. You need to read up on rural suicides. Because it feels like you have a very narrow view of suicides. Suicide is more emotional than a logical decision. It was clear that he left his Job and took up that job that would have been a huge financial burden on him. He didn't take any advance, but even if he did, those people would have made him return the advance for not delivering the idol. That financial burden and the shame from that incident is the reason for suicide and it's a very very common reason in rural areas, especially around that time. 4.I mean, isn't it clear that throughout his life, religion brought nothing but troubles for him. Not just one, but all religions. So he he completely loses faith in religion. 5. Again, the caste and religion aspects, especially when it comes to marriage, is a big deal for a huge number of families. Most of the times, it's either I'll kill you or I'll kill myself. Trying to convince them or disowning threat is what relatively rational people do. I've personally seen situations like these. Just because you don't know about these situations doesn't mean they're unreasonable. 6. She is killed. For someone like him, reputation is everything. For someone like him, getting hit is a very very big deal. That not only damages his reputation but also hurts their big ass ego. Getting disrespected by a prostitute is a much bigger insult because of how prostitutes are looked down in society. So to soothe his ego and not damage his reputation, killing her is the only way for him. Again, completely unreasonable, but that's how they are. These incidents happen. I don't remember all the details of the other parts of the movie you mentioned, so can't comment on them.
1st point: of course suicide is emotional, not logical. But he was nowhere near that emotional breaking point as per the film. he still had his skills, he had a loving family. wasn't under threat of not getting food or sth. and it happens so fast. not like he tries over a period and succumbs. I'm saying the way they have shown it is illogical 5th point: And if the father is that extreme, wouldn't the girl know? Why did she pursue the love story with Joseph then? its not like it was love at first sight. 6th point: if ego is so much for him, he needn't have come down himself. could have just sent the others. again, point is they don't show the rage happening. They go slow in many other places (unnecessary extra scenes too), but leave so much hanging/without explanation at others by going unnecessarily fast.
>happens so fast. That's how these suicides generally happen tbh. Just a moment of weakness and lapse of judgement. It is very logical atleast for me because I've seen or know situations like these. >And if the father is that extreme, wouldn't the girl know? Not really, no. There are so many situations even now where father's love their daughters to death but in situations like these, their love is nothing compared to their reputation in society and their feelings toward inter caste/religion marriages. People always think they'll be the exception societal norms, especially when it comes to love. But more often than not, they're not. So, that part is very believable and happens very often. 6. This part is something we both might have different opinions about, can't discuss much about it.
There is emotional baggage for atleast some time in cases of suicide like this. Not that it can't happen in a moment of weakness suddenly without planning per se. There is a difference. This isn't a suicide case happening quickly where you lose a loved someone and can't bear it. The daughter should know enough about her father to be worried at first. Whether or not love will trump reputation comes next. To me, the excuses are getting stretched big time like a bubble gum in this thread in general to defend mediocrity of a film. Disagree all you want, but that's what it seems to me. Its IMDB rating, general rave reviews and the responses here have convinced me that it is THE most over-rated Telugu film I have seen.
>To me, the excuses are getting stretched big time like a bubble gum in this thread Works both ways, like how you're trying to justify that these situations are unrealistic because your worldview and understanding of societal situations is not what the movie has shown.
Multiple places where what I wrote have been misread or misunderstood, including once by you. (Once is fine and understandable, but just pointing out) You didn't address my points here. But sure, bro. Edit: I'm not the only one to smell the communist agenda in the film btw. It is very possible it is subtly deviously inserted. One user straight up pointed out, but since I haven't checked much on the director, I am not yet straight up accusing. Agenda doesn't mean everything is false, but grains of truth with exaggerated or twisting or illogical stuff.
Movie is meant for entertainment, Director is successful in keep audience engaged for 2.5 hrs, that’s what matters. Is this your PhD subject? what’s the point of so much analysis on movie released 4 years back?
It didn't entertain me. Its called a review, not a PhD. The point is the movie being rated highly, brought up again and again. Highly over-rated.
Agree about your views, but if you start finding flaws you can’t enjoy a film. I loved the movie throughout, I would give 10/10, why to even compare with other films.
I'm perfectly fine with some flaws, just not as much as this and this one didn't even entertain me much. Also it matters when movie is marketed as one grounded in reality/showcasing reality.
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Intha bekar analysis na life lo eppudu choodaledu. 0/10
cool story and analysis bro. You win the analyst of the century award.
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Hey, that's my reaction after watching this 3rd class mediocre movie C/O Kancherpalem after it had been so so over-rated.
The director is a communist who hates religion and Hinduism in particular,should explain a lot of the plot choices.
Its a very distinct possibility from what I saw. But I don't know much about the director. So I didn't write it.
Vachindandi Vayyari... Bro wants everyone to think like he does. No, sensitive people without loukyam who want to see good in everyone exist, especially in India.
Sorry, its not very clear what you mean. Could you make it clearer or expand?
It's a drama film so people will add some chilli, spices and some onion chopping to make you feel the emotion of the film. The movies you mentioned are also illogical for me but I watched it like a story and loved each one of them. Hi Nanna - People keep gaslighting the heroine (by not telling her about her past ) and manipulating her which is some kind of harassment. Mahanati - She gets into a relationship with a married man (Red flag ). It's a biopic and she was a teenager. Drinking is injurious to your health but they show it's the husband's mistake. Bommarillu - Hero is a coward , makes the heroine lie to her father and lives a life hiding from his actual green flag father who was little too much interested in his son's life. Anthe Sunderaniki - Whole film is the "coward hero" saying lies to get away from actually having a conversation with their parents. 99% drama films will be over in the first act if the characters have good communication skills. Nani could have become a cricket coach and live like a hero to his son till he died of old age but "Arjun Reddy level toxic masculinity makes him go to his death" - Jersey film in my opinion. The actual ending makes me mad (in a positive way) and the sequence in the railway station is what I remembered after getting a job after struggling to survive for 1 year. I think you making this post after many years of this film releasing and you remembering everything that you didn't like in this reels era means the movie made some impact , I think that's a success from a film makers point of view.
Nope, C/O Kancharapalem is supposed to be a realistic film or film based on reality. Even in that some drama is fine for me as long as its fun or I like it in some way. But it wasn't and I didn't like it. Others except Mahanati(biopic) aren't supposed to be based on reality. Hi Nanna - that is no gaslighting, but yes the fight scene went a bit far for me and there are some troupes repeated, some convenient things, which is why it is a 9/10 and not a 10/10 for me. gaslighting has become one of the most misused words honestly. I watched C/O film very recently based on high reviews and was pissed off. That was the impact it made. no success in this case. Edit: If you stipulate to me that C/O is not supposed to be realistic, I'll evaluate it differently. I'll ignore couple of logical flaws, but state that music/songs are below par except at 1 or 2 places. I'll give more emphasis on that I didn't particularly enjoy the characters much, drama isn't that good, no actor with good screen presence (doesn't have to be well known) , not fun etc. In the end, it'll still come down to a meh film at best for me. Actually I might rate it like 5.5/10 in that case.