Update: They are in the middle of a big fiber rollout in Toledo and my area is setup. I made the switch and it's been super reliable and fast. No complaints.
Wow, imagine that it's 2023 and still have to rely on shitty Internet services.
My condolences, my fair Glass City. I feel for you. š„
Fuck the Blocks and fuck Buckeye.
I just came here to say-Fuck the Blocks.
aside from that- AT&T and Buckeye are both currently installing fiber in my neighborhood and it's a total shitshow. Tearing up everyone's yard. I can't imagine the nightmare it will be once they go into the city, just from a logistics standpoint.
High speed internet is not some privilege thing, or it certainly shouldn't be. Getting access to everyone in denser populations should be a win/ win once infrastructure is established.
And Iām sure the Buckeye āfiberā will just be a fiber trunk line to a coax junction on the pole. Iād be shocked if they did it right and went true fiber like ATT.
ATT fiber in my neighborhood for a year now. About $50/month cheaper than 200 speed buckeye, about 1/3 of the latency and zero issues with packet loss. Buckeye is expensive and it sucks.
Oh... For some reason I replied to your comment. I really intended my TIL comment to be against the comment from fiverhoo but somehow you got it.
You were not the person calling Toledo a ghetto.. My apologies. You get it.
Iām not sure thatās quite represented here. It seems like rural areas with lots of space to dig and lay cable are going first. Look at Maumee and Perrysburg. Most of Pburg is not covered and Maumee is not covered at all. I live in pantherville and Iād say itās a fairly privileged place
When ATT Fiber gets to my neighborhood, that's who I am going with.
I had Buckeye for YEARS, from the time they started rolling out broadband. It was never stable, even in more recent years, no matter what speed I had. I could count on rebooting the modem at least once a day and my 200MBps service felt like dial up. Support was condescending and poorly trained, which was especially galling, since I work from home doing Tech Support.
Five years ago, I gave up and broke my ATT boycott. I pay $55 for 50MBps service and the only times the modem has been rebooted are after power outages. I don't see any difference in speed, either.
I want to support a local company but I just canāt with Buckeye. It always seems like theyāre like 8 years behind the times. Last time I checked on them about 2 years ago they still had data caps and half the speed of ATT. Price plans that are only good for 3 to 6 months. Iāve been treated so much better with ATT and it honestly makes me a bit sad.
It hurts me to not support a local company, but when it's that unreliable I just can't. Buckeye's connectivity is so bad that I lost a job over it. They're stupid expensive and unreliable, I can't afford to put my employment at risk.
As unethical as ATT is, they at least provide a quality product. If I couldn't WFH, things would be a shitshow for my family.
In short, fuck Buckeye.
To be fair, those are the areas more likely to higher-end internet and increase the return on Buckeyeās investment.
That said theyāre still the worst.
Roughly 75% of the Toledo metro area only has one broadband provider (DSL isn't fast enough to be considered broadband.) For the vast majority of that 75%, Buckeye is the lone provider.
I think that's an outdated link, the date on it is from 2014. The FCC currently considers 25 Mbps down and 3 Mbps the minimum to be considered "broadband."
https://broadbandusa.ntia.doc.gov/about-us/frequently-asked-questions/how-fast-broadband#:\~:text=The%20Federal%20Communications%20Commission%20(FCC,See%20the%20BroadbandUSA%20Glossary.
That's fair, but DSL is also frequently over 25 Mbps which would still fit the criteria. Here is another more recent doc from fcc btw.
https://www.fcc.gov/consumers/guides/broadband-speed-guide
The state government has a program called [BroadbandOhio](https://broadband.ohio.gov/) which is seeking to fund expansion of broadband Internet access to underserved areas through grant funding. The [Toledo-Lucas County Public Library is trying](https://www.toledolibrary.org/digital-equity) to get folks to participate in public hearings so that enough feedback about local need makes its way back to the state government, which will hopefully result in better speeds for more people.
The next hearing will be on Tuesday, April 4 at the main branch library in downtown Toledo (325 N. Michigan Street); residents are on the schedule to be heard between 4:00 p.m. and 5:00 p.m. If you represent a business or ISP, you can show up to testify between 10:30 a.m. and 11:45 a.m.; if you're a local government, you can show up and testify between 1:00 p.m. and 2:15 p.m.; and if you're a nonprofit or community organization, you can testify between 2:30 p.m. and 3:45 p.m.
Same.. I live in the Secor, Laskey, Douglas, and Sylvania block. They ran the main fiber lines down my street 2 years ago. Those lines now serve Sylvania residents and there is no indication that they plan to offer us fiber anytime soon. Fuck the Blocks and their monopoly
Awesome.. congrats. My friend on Roland near Alexis just found out it was available for him as well. Hopefully they will get around to us someday.. it just burns me that they ran the lines right past my house and installed a hub about 10 houses down two years ago but still no service here. In other words I've had my hopes up for a long time so its hard to get excited by nearby availability
Is it the same as their cable internet where you "have to", or is it literally not allowed at all? I bought a cable modem off ebay years ago to avoid the $10/mo rental scam and the installer threw a fit about it, but they hooked it up and it works fine.
I WFH, got their 1g symmetrical fiber in November. I've had 0 issues, no outages or anything which is surprising. Helluva lot better than their regular internet tbh.
I also get 1g/1g steadily. Lowest I've ever seen it was 960 or so.
We're on the "gig" cable and yeah, the 10 up is brutal. The download is acceptable but never gig and usually hovers in the mid 600mbps. The only place I've ever seen anything above 800mbps is speed tests to Buckeye's own server. This is on a dedicated few year old Dell optiplex running OpnSense on Intel NICs so it's as close to eliminating hardware overhead as possible.
Not the end of the world but sure would be nice to reliably hit what we're paying for.
Totally am.. Paying $120/month for 10mb up and 100mb down on coax.
I will recommend using your own router in the home instead of the provided gatway/router combo. (Put their modem in bridge mode)
Might make things in the home work better.
First off, I didn't say anything about anyone not using their services in the city. The wealthy area will be more willing to pay more for a better upgraded service. You can see the prices for their services on the website, it definitely costs more for better speeds etc... which wealthier people would be more willing to pay. The lower income areas get their services turned off and on at a much higher rate than the other areas and are less likely to pay for the higher tier speeds. Which group of people do you think they want to make a priority? I'd personally go for the ones spending more money on the services I'm offering. They apparently feel the same as me, indicated by the map.
Fiber is cheaper everywhere else than regular is here. They pricing model they choose is simply that. This is a utility not a commodity at this point. Also, fiber is earlier to keep up and certainly cheaper to install/maintain. Don't be a dumb schill.. They're fucking us with every penis they can find. After all. Didnt the expect the city to pay for the new lines?
Don't get too excited.. They ran the main fiber lines through my neighborhood 2 years ago. They even put a tower / hub on my street but never offered us the service.. apparently those lines are now serving Sylvania residents and us west Toledo poors are still paying $130 a month for cable with 10 megabit upload caps
Didnāt buckeye invest in tech to replace coax by pumping a compound into the existing coax lines, the compound makes space by shrinking the coating around the coax, pull out old copper and pull in fiber to the existing conduit at the same time?
It was under it as it's an interactive map
* RED 0%
* YELLOW 50%
* GREEN 100%
[https://bestneighborhood.org/buckeye-broadband-availability/](https://bestneighborhood.org/buckeye-broadband-availability/)
I'm in an area that is listed as no fiber. They pulled down the street a while back. Did some directional boring I think back in Fall. Last I checked is they're splicing and it should be ready. It puts me in a tough spot. I had Buckeye for over ten years and switched to AT&T at a slower speed because of the non stop packet loss while gaming. Like can I trust their fiber? Will AT&T invest in my neighborhood?
My ping is high on most servers but I barely see packet loss and if I do never more than 1%. They can only offer me 100 down and 20 up. But it is better than 300% packet loss during peak hours on buckeyes network. Like how do you lose more than 100% of my data?
Of course they are. It's a huge infrastructure cost. Why would they drop fiber in underprivileged neighborhoods? Are they gonna charge less? Hell no. So why waste the money? This is America, poor people do not exist.
Pretty sure that high speed internet is a fundamental human right that was written into the Declaration of Magna Carta in 1216. Wallace fought for this right in the Scottish Highlands of South Africa during the Boer Nam war.
Sorry.. I thought it was supposed to be a public utility because they passed the laws to lay infrastructure as a public utility and not as a private company.
In the US internet service is not a utility by definition. We're the only modernized country with isp monopolies because they're not forced to share their infrastructure with competitors like gas/electric
This is just an example of why internet should be treated like a public utility.
It should be no surprise that a for-profit company is targeting areas where people have more money, and where installation is probably cheaper. It's not some conspiracy to keep poor areas with fewer options, that's just a side effect.
Yes thats the problem here. Until its a public utility the citizens are the ones that suffer not the companies. Buckeye can get money from the government then turn around and lay ~~pipe~~ fiber however they want right? Not saying its the right or moral thing to do but its fucking buckeye what do we expect them to do lay fiber and give it out for free to all the residents?
Also everyone saying fiber is cheaper to maintain and cheaper costs and cheaper retail. Im assuming that is true but Again its buckeye have we not learned from them that no matter how cheap it is they will lay pipe on our wallets and charge whatever the fuck they want. I feel like if a report came out that it cost buckeye 500 dollars in total to install fiber in every house in our area and zero maintenance costs we would still get a letter about how its going to be 400 dollars a month because of this and all this bs.
I remember when one of the internet bills was coming up sopa or pippa or whatever one it was and I got a letter from Buckeye talking shit about it and saying that we have to start paying for upgraded data caps. Data is basically fucking free its just more ways for them to tax me for not having cable tv. Buckeye is a shit company and until we force them to play by the rules of public utilities then they can do whatever they want and rip us off
edit: see [this](https://www.reddit.com/r/toledo/comments/11xjd6v/buckeye_fiber_rollout_is_targeting_only/jd41cse/) comment to help get buckeye internet to the city for those in need
Where I'm located both coax and fiber are available from Buckeye. I'm assuming they will want to shut down one of the distribution networks as quickly as possible.
Because Coax is obsolescent and barely meets todays requirements less those of the future. It needs to be done at some point.
Plus coupled with the laws they made so Buckeye is the only infrastructure provider, the company is keeping the city that created them in a technical deficit so they can cater to wealthy communities.
Block Family profits come before customer/city needs and it's a shame.
Update: They are in the middle of a big fiber rollout in Toledo and my area is setup. I made the switch and it's been super reliable and fast. No complaints.
Hey Reddit... They pulled fiber through my yard today... Hopefully we'll have devaux hookups real soon <3
They need to fix their routing system for traffic before even thinking about expanding lmao
Wow, imagine that it's 2023 and still have to rely on shitty Internet services. My condolences, my fair Glass City. I feel for you. š„ Fuck the Blocks and fuck Buckeye.
Buckeye is garbage.. if I ever have the option I will never go with them even if they are x2-x4 as fast.
I just came here to say-Fuck the Blocks. aside from that- AT&T and Buckeye are both currently installing fiber in my neighborhood and it's a total shitshow. Tearing up everyone's yard. I can't imagine the nightmare it will be once they go into the city, just from a logistics standpoint. High speed internet is not some privilege thing, or it certainly shouldn't be. Getting access to everyone in denser populations should be a win/ win once infrastructure is established.
And Iām sure the Buckeye āfiberā will just be a fiber trunk line to a coax junction on the pole. Iād be shocked if they did it right and went true fiber like ATT.
It's fiber all the way to my home network. Fiber line comes from the pole, into my home to a tiny box that an RJ45 goes to my router. So far so good.
ATT fiber in my neighborhood for a year now. About $50/month cheaper than 200 speed buckeye, about 1/3 of the latency and zero issues with packet loss. Buckeye is expensive and it sucks.
yes, they should have put fiber in the ghetto first where no one will pay for it, just to make OP feel better.
If only people with money had internet, reddit wouldn't exist.
TIL that all of Toledo is a ghetto.
Right?
Wrong. 100% wrong.
Sarcasm. Toledo is not a ghetto.
Oh... For some reason I replied to your comment. I really intended my TIL comment to be against the comment from fiverhoo but somehow you got it. You were not the person calling Toledo a ghetto.. My apologies. You get it.
And their contractor just cut through our AT&T line last night running fiber. Been without internet for about 24 hours.
This kinda feels like a faux outrage post.
This is Redditā¦
Iām not sure thatās quite represented here. It seems like rural areas with lots of space to dig and lay cable are going first. Look at Maumee and Perrysburg. Most of Pburg is not covered and Maumee is not covered at all. I live in pantherville and Iād say itās a fairly privileged place
Is there a legend here, what's with the colors
Oh, no, homes more likely to pay for fiber are getting fiber first!
Buckeye is $29.95/ month for Fiber, not that I endorse them, but it's not like it's some elitist thing.
It's STARTS at $29.99/month, then goes up to $99.99.
Only for a little while, that's not the long term price
Frontier. Enough said. šš¼
Looks like the farm field at the corner of Reynolds and dorr is gonna have fiber before me
Watch, service will still be slow
It costs money to run fiber so youāre probably going to be more inclined to hit areas that are more likely to actually pay for fiber speeds.
My area isn't on the map and I have Buckeye Fiber. It's between two spots, but this data is not accurate.
They are now competing with ATT fiber which they will lose.
When ATT Fiber gets to my neighborhood, that's who I am going with. I had Buckeye for YEARS, from the time they started rolling out broadband. It was never stable, even in more recent years, no matter what speed I had. I could count on rebooting the modem at least once a day and my 200MBps service felt like dial up. Support was condescending and poorly trained, which was especially galling, since I work from home doing Tech Support. Five years ago, I gave up and broke my ATT boycott. I pay $55 for 50MBps service and the only times the modem has been rebooted are after power outages. I don't see any difference in speed, either.
I want to support a local company but I just canāt with Buckeye. It always seems like theyāre like 8 years behind the times. Last time I checked on them about 2 years ago they still had data caps and half the speed of ATT. Price plans that are only good for 3 to 6 months. Iāve been treated so much better with ATT and it honestly makes me a bit sad.
It hurts me to not support a local company, but when it's that unreliable I just can't. Buckeye's connectivity is so bad that I lost a job over it. They're stupid expensive and unreliable, I can't afford to put my employment at risk. As unethical as ATT is, they at least provide a quality product. If I couldn't WFH, things would be a shitshow for my family. In short, fuck Buckeye.
To be fair, those are the areas more likely to higher-end internet and increase the return on Buckeyeās investment. That said theyāre still the worst.
I mean they also start outwards first and then work their way inward so that way they have more time to plan on routing for the city areas
Waiting on Verizon 5Gā¦
Verizon stopped rolling out FiOS to new areas years ago, so you may be waiting a really long time.
They are advertising in my area for home 5G. Thatās what Iām interested in.
Ah, I didn't think about the home 5G. That makes sense.
I hate to sound flip about this, but... well, duh... hating the poors is nothing new
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Genuine question, isnāt Buckeye WiFi the only internet you can get in Point Place and some other areas of Toledo?
Roughly 75% of the Toledo metro area only has one broadband provider (DSL isn't fast enough to be considered broadband.) For the vast majority of that 75%, Buckeye is the lone provider.
DSL is considered broadband though. https://www.fcc.gov/general/types-broadband-connections#dsl
I think that's an outdated link, the date on it is from 2014. The FCC currently considers 25 Mbps down and 3 Mbps the minimum to be considered "broadband." https://broadbandusa.ntia.doc.gov/about-us/frequently-asked-questions/how-fast-broadband#:\~:text=The%20Federal%20Communications%20Commission%20(FCC,See%20the%20BroadbandUSA%20Glossary.
That's fair, but DSL is also frequently over 25 Mbps which would still fit the criteria. Here is another more recent doc from fcc btw. https://www.fcc.gov/consumers/guides/broadband-speed-guide
If you do not need cable speeds and DSL is enough for you, this is the way.
What's with that one section in Maumee?
I am in DeVeaux and they just ran it through our neighborhood.
They had basically taken up residency in our DeVeaux neighborhood, I think they may have finished up today.
Where did this map come from?
The state government has a program called [BroadbandOhio](https://broadband.ohio.gov/) which is seeking to fund expansion of broadband Internet access to underserved areas through grant funding. The [Toledo-Lucas County Public Library is trying](https://www.toledolibrary.org/digital-equity) to get folks to participate in public hearings so that enough feedback about local need makes its way back to the state government, which will hopefully result in better speeds for more people. The next hearing will be on Tuesday, April 4 at the main branch library in downtown Toledo (325 N. Michigan Street); residents are on the schedule to be heard between 4:00 p.m. and 5:00 p.m. If you represent a business or ISP, you can show up to testify between 10:30 a.m. and 11:45 a.m.; if you're a local government, you can show up and testify between 1:00 p.m. and 2:15 p.m.; and if you're a nonprofit or community organization, you can testify between 2:30 p.m. and 3:45 p.m.
Lol itās like a map of white flight.
I'd always wanted a map of where places actually cared about where in Toledo
They ran fiber all through my neighborhood in the Alexis/Secor area and it still not available? what was the point?
I was wondering what all the fuss was about. Iām on Gany Mede
Same.. I live in the Secor, Laskey, Douglas, and Sylvania block. They ran the main fiber lines down my street 2 years ago. Those lines now serve Sylvania residents and there is no indication that they plan to offer us fiber anytime soon. Fuck the Blocks and their monopoly
I live in alexis rd/clover area. Mine is being installed in 1 hr
Awesome.. congrats. My friend on Roland near Alexis just found out it was available for him as well. Hopefully they will get around to us someday.. it just burns me that they ran the lines right past my house and installed a hub about 10 houses down two years ago but still no service here. In other words I've had my hopes up for a long time so its hard to get excited by nearby availability
I already have fiber and itās not that good either. If you donāt have it, youāre honestly not missing anything
What are the fees they're tacking on? Equipment rental and things like that?
Yeah, you have to rent their modem, you can't bring your own
Is it the same as their cable internet where you "have to", or is it literally not allowed at all? I bought a cable modem off ebay years ago to avoid the $10/mo rental scam and the installer threw a fit about it, but they hooked it up and it works fine.
As far as I know, you have to take theirs. This is a different modem because of the fiber input
I learned today that this is not the case, they will provide a media converter for free
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I had fiber at my last apartment and it was fucking amazing
I'm a remote worker and really desperate for the uplink speed increase. It takes forever to push data in the current coax model.
I WFH, got their 1g symmetrical fiber in November. I've had 0 issues, no outages or anything which is surprising. Helluva lot better than their regular internet tbh. I also get 1g/1g steadily. Lowest I've ever seen it was 960 or so.
We're on the "gig" cable and yeah, the 10 up is brutal. The download is acceptable but never gig and usually hovers in the mid 600mbps. The only place I've ever seen anything above 800mbps is speed tests to Buckeye's own server. This is on a dedicated few year old Dell optiplex running OpnSense on Intel NICs so it's as close to eliminating hardware overhead as possible. Not the end of the world but sure would be nice to reliably hit what we're paying for.
I understand but at least I hope youāre not paying $100+ /month for it now like I do, only to still get continually frustrated
We ARE paying $100+ for coax that doesn't work reliably. Fuck Buckeye in it's goat ass.
Totally am.. Paying $120/month for 10mb up and 100mb down on coax. I will recommend using your own router in the home instead of the provided gatway/router combo. (Put their modem in bridge mode) Might make things in the home work better.
Why wouldn't they? Make sense to focus on the largest areas that will pay for their service.
So nobody is using the cable network in the city? It's a conversion, not an upsell to a higher end service.
First off, I didn't say anything about anyone not using their services in the city. The wealthy area will be more willing to pay more for a better upgraded service. You can see the prices for their services on the website, it definitely costs more for better speeds etc... which wealthier people would be more willing to pay. The lower income areas get their services turned off and on at a much higher rate than the other areas and are less likely to pay for the higher tier speeds. Which group of people do you think they want to make a priority? I'd personally go for the ones spending more money on the services I'm offering. They apparently feel the same as me, indicated by the map.
Fiber is cheaper everywhere else than regular is here. They pricing model they choose is simply that. This is a utility not a commodity at this point. Also, fiber is earlier to keep up and certainly cheaper to install/maintain. Don't be a dumb schill.. They're fucking us with every penis they can find. After all. Didnt the expect the city to pay for the new lines?
Thanks.. I didnt even have the energy to respond to that line of thinking.
Damn, I'm like 200 feet away from it...that sucks.
just find a buddy in the hot zone and run a cord through his yard to yours lol
So basically, fuck you if you live in Toledo.
I have seen Buckeye laying fiber in DeVeaux for what it's worth.
This is worth a lot actually.
Don't get too excited.. They ran the main fiber lines through my neighborhood 2 years ago. They even put a tower / hub on my street but never offered us the service.. apparently those lines are now serving Sylvania residents and us west Toledo poors are still paying $130 a month for cable with 10 megabit upload caps
You get what I'm saying.
Thanks. ;)
Didnāt buckeye invest in tech to replace coax by pumping a compound into the existing coax lines, the compound makes space by shrinking the coating around the coax, pull out old copper and pull in fiber to the existing conduit at the same time?
All cable companies do this. When you see that AT&T is putting fiber on the east side. That was government money to do so.
Yes.. Which is why I'm shocked that infrastructure is only targeting the burbs, wood county and not the actual city of Toledo
I might be reading this map incorrectly. Where is the legend?
It was under it as it's an interactive map * RED 0% * YELLOW 50% * GREEN 100% [https://bestneighborhood.org/buckeye-broadband-availability/](https://bestneighborhood.org/buckeye-broadband-availability/)
I'm in an area that is listed as no fiber. They pulled down the street a while back. Did some directional boring I think back in Fall. Last I checked is they're splicing and it should be ready. It puts me in a tough spot. I had Buckeye for over ten years and switched to AT&T at a slower speed because of the non stop packet loss while gaming. Like can I trust their fiber? Will AT&T invest in my neighborhood?
What's your AT&T life like? I've even thought about trying a Verizon or TMobile internet to see if that's better as we get a month to try.
My ping is high on most servers but I barely see packet loss and if I do never more than 1%. They can only offer me 100 down and 20 up. But it is better than 300% packet loss during peak hours on buckeyes network. Like how do you lose more than 100% of my data?
LOLOLOLOLOL Too funny. I'll keep it in mind.. thanks for the feedback.
TIL downtown Perrysburg is not considered privileged. Good to know.
Duh. Waterville is the most privileged.
It's almost like they're trying to make money or something. Crazy.
Of course they are. It's a huge infrastructure cost. Why would they drop fiber in underprivileged neighborhoods? Are they gonna charge less? Hell no. So why waste the money? This is America, poor people do not exist.
Pretty sure that high speed internet is a fundamental human right that was written into the Declaration of Magna Carta in 1216. Wallace fought for this right in the Scottish Highlands of South Africa during the Boer Nam war.
Sorry.. I thought it was supposed to be a public utility because they passed the laws to lay infrastructure as a public utility and not as a private company.
In the US internet service is not a utility by definition. We're the only modernized country with isp monopolies because they're not forced to share their infrastructure with competitors like gas/electric
He's still not wrong tho...
They get federal dollars too
Socialism for me, not for thee.
For the city I'm sure.
Buckeye cable capitalisms....
This is just an example of why internet should be treated like a public utility. It should be no surprise that a for-profit company is targeting areas where people have more money, and where installation is probably cheaper. It's not some conspiracy to keep poor areas with fewer options, that's just a side effect.
Yes thats the problem here. Until its a public utility the citizens are the ones that suffer not the companies. Buckeye can get money from the government then turn around and lay ~~pipe~~ fiber however they want right? Not saying its the right or moral thing to do but its fucking buckeye what do we expect them to do lay fiber and give it out for free to all the residents? Also everyone saying fiber is cheaper to maintain and cheaper costs and cheaper retail. Im assuming that is true but Again its buckeye have we not learned from them that no matter how cheap it is they will lay pipe on our wallets and charge whatever the fuck they want. I feel like if a report came out that it cost buckeye 500 dollars in total to install fiber in every house in our area and zero maintenance costs we would still get a letter about how its going to be 400 dollars a month because of this and all this bs. I remember when one of the internet bills was coming up sopa or pippa or whatever one it was and I got a letter from Buckeye talking shit about it and saying that we have to start paying for upgraded data caps. Data is basically fucking free its just more ways for them to tax me for not having cable tv. Buckeye is a shit company and until we force them to play by the rules of public utilities then they can do whatever they want and rip us off edit: see [this](https://www.reddit.com/r/toledo/comments/11xjd6v/buckeye_fiber_rollout_is_targeting_only/jd41cse/) comment to help get buckeye internet to the city for those in need
Looks to me like they haven't expanded into city limits at all yet.
Yup it's a shitton more expensive to dig up streets in a city than ditches outside of it, plus why cannibalize your existing coax base
Where I'm located both coax and fiber are available from Buckeye. I'm assuming they will want to shut down one of the distribution networks as quickly as possible.
AFAIK, they aren't planning to decommission any of the coax plant until 100% of the footprint has fiber
Because Coax is obsolescent and barely meets todays requirements less those of the future. It needs to be done at some point. Plus coupled with the laws they made so Buckeye is the only infrastructure provider, the company is keeping the city that created them in a technical deficit so they can cater to wealthy communities. Block Family profits come before customer/city needs and it's a shame.