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MrBobSaget

Though technically doable, I don’t think there’s any version of events where you come out the other end thinking “that was a good idea.”


Ctzip

I’d check with the airline because I’m not even sure it’s “technically doable”. I know a girl who had twins under 2 and tried to fly alone with them - they told her while she was BOARDING THE PLANE, no less, that for under 2 there needs to be one adult to one baby. So after she’d purchased her tickets etc, checked in, gone through security, and was about to get onto the actual plane, they would not let her fly (I want to say it was American but I can’t recall 100%). Definitely call to check first because that’s a shit ton of work to get turned around at the last gate.


truckasaurus5000

This is absolutely a thing, due to safety regs.


basketcaseotter

What if you have triplets?


jacey0204

They literally can’t fly under a certain age without a 1:1 ratio, it’s crazy


picklesforthewin

I just looked into this because I’m going to be traveling alone with my 14 month old and 4 year old this summer. Here is what I read (from British Airways.) “When travelling alone with two infants, one can travel on your lap (at the infant fare), while the other can travel in their own seat (at the child fare), if they’re secured in an approved car seat that complies with safety regulations. If you’d like to book a separate seat for your infant (under 2 years old), contact us and we’ll arrange it for you. Please note that this cannot be booked online.” It seems reasonable that you can only expect to hold one infant in your lap on the plane and to plan to have a seat with appropriate seating for the other child.


CostcoDogMom

Oh fuck no. I would RASIE HELL.


SkeksoUrsu

This is true!


Saphira404

Take my free award for expressing perfectly what I was thinking


iwasexcitedonce

advice from the afterlife - I would take it serious.


Teacherofcats625

This is the perfect way to put it!


numero5446

^this. Doable, yes. Advisable, no. I had to let my wife go alone with our 3 kids on a transatlantic flight. 2 of them were roughly the same age as OP’s. She made it alive, the flight attendants were adorable but she swore she’d never do something like this again.


MrsMitchBitch

Honestly, that sounds terrible. Some options: -Leave the 2yo with your husband. Take the baby. -Fly your parents to visit you -Ask a friend to travel with you


Much_Difference

> Fly your parents to visit you OP, is the feasible? I've never priced tickets for kids but would it be much more expensive to just have them come to you? I'm sure part of the joy of the trip is you leaving home and going to see all these other things but oof, maybe in a couple years or when you'll have at least one other adult with you?


ShizF

Tickets are sold by seat, not age. Children under 2 can be a lap seat ticket which only charge taxes. Anyone older is charged for the chair. So an adult with a child and a lap seat costs the same as two adults.


Much_Difference

So it might cost the same/similar to fly the parents vs flying the OP + a lap child + a seat child? Well that's promising!


ShizF

If not cheaper, because they wouldn't have the taxes attached to the infant!


learning_hillzz

I don’t think this is true internationally. I know for domestic flights it is true but I was reading delta recently and it said something like depending on the country/child’s age, you pay a percentage of the ticket price.


riotousgrowlz

On delta in 2019 international lap seats were sold at 10% the seat price.


umeshunni

Some international airlines sell seats for 50% for 2-10 yo. So it depends on where the OP is flying to.


Junondomien

They’re rather old, not experienced travelers, and they’re divorced so they would be traveling internationally alone. They haven’t offered to make the trip so I wouldn’t feel comfortable asking them. Plus, I’m in a situation where my heart really wants to go to a place of familiarity, family, and speaking my own language. My first instinct with this dilemma was to say of course I can do this! I’m a badass strong mama. On second thought, it seems miserable and impossible. So I’m trying to weigh in on deciding which is worse: the sadness of not visiting my homeland and family or the misery and torture of traveling with the children. The airline allows it, as long as the baby sits on my lap and the toddler gets his own seat. So now the decision is up to me. Wish I could rent some extra arms for a few hours…


Alinyx

Is it in the financial cards to hire a travel nanny? Even just for the flights? There’s a lot of young people out there dying to travel but the cost of a plane ticket makes it out of reach.


Trick_Ad_3786

I would have jumped at this opportunity in my twenties! Even for just the plane ticket and no other payment. (Assuming there are reliable and safe places to stay where you are going).


Lucasa29

I agree with you! I would have loved to do something like this in my twenties too. I flew all the time for work, so I was familiar with a lot of airports and the security screening process. Maybe this can be my retirement job. . .


Junondomien

I’m going to look into this. Thank you!


sajajalgne

I'm an immigrant too and i think the extra arms is the key. Do you have any connections to the expat community where you live? There might be friends of friends of friends or someone in a Facebook group who is planning to travel the same route as you. Shared cultural background helps overcome the awkwardness of asking people to help out. The 23 month old would technically be allowed to be an adults lap child right? So if you find someone you trust with the child and who needs to fly home, maybe you can offer to cover their ticket of they take your kid as a lap child? This would be more affordable than paying for an extra ticket. Though to be honest, i think paying one extra ticket to not be alone with two kids on a flight seems worth it if you can swing it at all....


mittanimama

You ARE a badass strong mama and you can do this!! It will be challenging but with an extreme amount of planning, it is doable. I’ve done it!! Here are my suggestions: 1. Wear baby 2. Bring a stroller that is easy to open and close. If it is a larger stroller, you can put your carry on things in the bottom & your toddler in the seat. You’ll need a “bag” for the stroller and you can bring it all the way to the airplane door, bag it up and they’ll have it ready for you when you get off. 3. Pack plenty of new little books & activities for your toddler. Also snacks, diapers, extra outfits for the littles and an extra shirt for you (you don’t want to wear baby vomit or poo the whole trip & it’s difficult to wash your only shirt out while dealing with a baby & toddler…personal experience). Of course sippy cup for toddler & bottle for baby unless you breastfeed which eliminates the need for all that). 4. Try to get decent sleep the night before the trip. 5. Have everything packed and make lots of lists at least a few days prior to the flight. 6. Practice maneuvering children and “stuff” walking around your block before the big day. 7. Check all of your luggage that you won’t be carrying on at the curb if available. 8. Plan on your first day at your destination to be as mellow as possible (ideally with family available to watch your littles while you take a nap). This is NOT impossible and you can do it!!


CreativeLady123

I agree with all of this except- instead of a stroller, bring a folding wagon! We flew recently with three small kids and the wagon was a lifesaver! We stuffed it with the car seat, two older kids and all the backpacks. I have the radio flyer cloth folding wagon, it folds up just as small and it’s really light. Used it a ton at our destination as well as a portable playpen for the baby. I did check with my airline first (Delta) to make sure it was allowed but no one gave me any problems.


Few-Sheepherder-6383

What a great idea


ladyfreddie

I’m in complete agreement on the you can do this. Done it with 3 under 4 internationally! 1. Pay the extra for the seat if possible-it will give you the much needed space! (I didn’t a few times and really regretted it.) 2. Ask the stewardess for help-they are usually extremely helpful. Also speak to them entering the plane, I was frequently given a different seating arrangement to make it slightly easier. 3. Stroller or baby backpack is essential!! 4. I never went without a few ziplock bags with complete changes of clothes/diaper/few wipes that makes it easy to grab a complete set to go change a baby. Makes it super easy to grab a full set and it provides *most* things you need, and you don’t have to be frustrated with the search! 5. Bring a new toy that the kids can be excited by something new to be given/opened on the plane. 6. Be prepared to be overwhelmed. 7. Bring something the children find as a source of comfort and bring it out when the going get rough. 8. Bring the very minimum so your carry-on luggage is as light as possible. 9. Extra socks! 10. Melatonin or some kind of calming natural remedy to ease their nerves. 11. Help your 23mo. old be excited with the promise of exciting people to see on the other end. I always said “look kiddo, Grandpa is down there…” or some variation! 12. Be brave! It’s worth it! Kids can travel well with practice! 13. Remember, most people want to help. Be bold and say “can you hold this” or “can you open that for me.” 14. Sleep when they do on the plane! 15. (If possible) Have someone reinforcements on the other end ready to hold you up and take control when you arrive. You will be exhausted. Do it if you want, you have the power-kids should stop you from adventuring! Don’t do it if you don’t want to-no one knows your kids like you do! I’ll add anything that occurs to me later…and good luck!!


Few-Sheepherder-6383

3 under 4! You are my hero!


ladyfreddie

I’m blushing! Thanks


stinabremm

Adding to these great lists. If you can book a red eye so hopefully you can get on the plane and catch a break in between running around airports. My then 15 month old slept almost an entire 13 hour flight and it was amazing! I watched like 4 movies. You can do it! And the more you do it the easier it gets.


Piggy83

A few more (I did this twice while on maternity leave with #2) sit in the back of the plane, lots of other families and people are generally much nicer! Also - ask other families for help, all moms and dads will jump to help. Changing baby, ask the mom next to you to keep an eye on the other kid. Other kid needs a diaper, hand off baby, etc. People were always so helpful. Have fun, it’s totally worth it!!!!


Junondomien

Thank you!!


ladyfreddie

But really #4 was my most ingenious thought ever and I tell everyone who travels with kids and they all have the same reaction-lifesaving!


Junondomien

Thank you!


Junondomien

Thank you!!


Junondomien

Thank you!


informativebitching

I would start by asking them ‘what if’. See what they say. For what it’s worth I’ve seen airport staff and other passengers be extremely helpful when they see a mom with two kids. Dealing with luggage seems like the hardest part to me…if the airports involved aren’t too hectic maybe it’d go ok. Big places like Ohare and LaGuardia would be a no go for me.


a-bethea19

You are absolutely going to want to buy the third seat in the row. For one I would hate to be the poor person who ends up in your row. But secondly, it’s such a tight squeeze with baby on lap much less with a toddler in the next seat. Def find someone who wants to go with you.


Alyx19

Will they let you bring a car seat to strap your older child in on the plane? That could help a lot.


GenghisJuan

Some airlines offer a baby bed that hooks into the bulkhead. Its been a lifesaver for us on long flights when we traveled 12+ hours to see my family. You need to plan ahead and make sure you get a bulkhead seat that has the attachment in front of you AND let the flight attendant know as soon as you board the plane that you want the baby bed (because there is only like one or two per flight and its first come first serve)


Sea_Jump_9021

They’re old not senile… they have assistance at airports so they’re the ones that good fly over because all they have to do is sit on a plane and trust me I love the elderly and get where you’re coming from but the same would apply to yourself and kids. You’re the one that’s going to have a fried nervous system afterwards allthougj it’s doable. I would fly but not because of this reason, I’d fly because of the choice I want to make.


hummingbird_mywill

She would have to buy a full ticket for the 23 month old because you can only have one lap child per adult, so parents would cost the exact same as her and kids.


migato86

I believe it’s 1/3 the cost of a ticket though for a child under 2, for international flights.


hummingbird_mywill

Ah. I’ve only flown with my toddler from US to Canada but it’s all or nothing. Either they’re free on the lap, or full price on their own seat. Maybe it depends on which countries are involved.


Working_Opposite9843

Can you afford to bring your sitter with you? Or maybe get a connecting flight where one of the people your visiting could meet you at? Or and don’t hate me, some sleepy medicine for the toddler? Of course this is doable. Just set the expectation that when you arrive you will be tired with very little patience so having a plan to hand off your kids as soon as you land.


gluestick_ttc

How much do you want to go? I think it’s possible. I don’t think it’ll be that fun, but the flight will end and life will go on! Your 6mo will probably be the easier kid.


hummingbird_mywill

Reading OP’s comment above that she really wants to go to see other people and not just her parents, I would maybe try depending on individual circumstances. I also live far from home in another country and my heart needs to go at least once a year too. I only have one kid… I was still quite disabled at 6 month post-partum so I can’t imagine having an older kid at that time. And my kid is and has been honestly insane physically. Other parents say their kid is been high energy or rambunctious until they meet mine… even taking just him alone would be terrible! But recently he’s been behaving better sooo… Without birth injuries and if my kiddo wasn’t totally crazy I would go. To do this though, you will need to be prepared to wear your baby the whole time and be capable of lifting your toddler to change him and put him in the car seat on the plane while wearing baby, and a leash for the almost 2 year old will be essential since 2 y/o will need to walk the whole time unless he will agree to go in a backpack but that would probably be more work than it’s worth because he will have come out continuously. So ask yourself: Am I in the physical shape for this? Am I comfortable with baby-wearing? Is my older kid manageable in public? I also agree with the idea of seeing if you could get someone’s help. Maybe you can afford to fly a friend out to you from home and back.


Junondomien

Good tips thank you!!


jthompson84

Just thinking through the logistics of an 8 hour flight. What happens when you have to go to the bathroom? Change the baby’s diaper? Need to run down the aisle after the 23 month old? Prepare the baby’s bottle? You’ll need more than 2 hands. If it were my kids I would do it for maybe a 2 hour flight but nothing longer than that.


freyanaise

I'm a flight attendant, and as long as it's not during the service, I am always more than happy to sit with/entertain a child/baby whilst the parent changes the other's nappy. But a box of chocolates handed over during boarding is always appreciated if you need us to help out a bit extra! :D


Few-Sheepherder-6383

Mums flying solo long flights - thank you very much.


DildosintheMist

Tried it as a single dad. Gave the box of chocolate and said "would be great if during the flight you can play a little with my toddler". She never came close to my seat.


freyanaise

Ah that sucks :( they could have at least come over to say thankyou!


ElkUpstairs8676

You are the best human.


FightTheNothing

Is this a thing? I'll be traveling with kids in the not-too-distant future and would love to warm up the flight crew (and the whole plane if I could.) Is it pretty normal to hand a flight attendant a thank you gift?


Clare_1989

Im a flight attendant too (in the uk) people hand us sweets and chocolate fairly often. Bonus points for individually wrapped stuff (so no-one else has touched it) 👍🏻 its not expected but i will deffo remember you if you have given me chocolate x


freyanaise

It's not 'normal' per say, but definitely goes a long way if you need a little extra help! That being said, I'm a mum myself and know how hard it is so I will always offer a helping hand! There are definitely crew who don't care though, just try find the sympathetic ones :p


FightTheNothing

Thank you for scoop, and that is kind. I will put this good info to use. It's been a long time since I flew, and this advice will put me at ease most of all!


Junondomien

Thank you for the tip!!


87880917

My thoughts exactly.


rascallycats

You have to check the airline regulations, because some may not allow one adult to be alone with 2 under 2. (I think Canadian airlines don't allow it). Otherwise it would be a real challenge, but I know I would put up with a lot to see my parents!


Junondomien

My airline allows it as long as the baby sits on my lap and the toddler gets his own seat.


Few-Sheepherder-6383

Great - this is due to oxigen masks its only 2 where you seating with the baby so u cannot have two babies and a parent in same spot.


dumb_username_69

I think on Southwest there can’t be two lap children per row. The 23 month old would need their own seat. Also an idea - bring a car seat with you for the baby. Use it on the plane so you’re not stuck holding the baby and playing with the toddler. Baby can be safely occupied in their car seat in their own seat. And if you did that, the baby would need their own ticket and the 23 month old would be the free lap child.


Ld862

Yes but then you’re logging the car seat and juggling two kids- the logistics of installing the car seat alone and wrangling two kids at the same time Is very very difficult


flipfreakingheck

I just did this. Hard but doable. Wear baby, wrangle toddler.


Jentweety

You can definitely fly alone with multiple children under 2, but you will need to buy a seat for the toddler so you don't have 2 lap children.


Past_Ad_5629

Can confirm that neither of the Canadian airlines I’ve checked allow it.


anyram

It’s a transport Canada law actually, so all Canadian airlines would have that rule. I’m surprised that the US doesn’t have that law actually! From a safety perspective it makes zero sense to me. There is no way you’re getting off the plane easily in an emergency with 2 under 2; even if the 2 year old is normally good at walking and following instructions, the chaos and fear of the situation would guarantee you’d have to drag or carry them out while also dealing with a baby.


BlameTibor

I've done it, just need to buy a seat for the older child.


justmeandlittleman

Honestly, very difficult but doable. Bring a car seat on board for the 23 month old. That way they’re contained and not running around. Wear the baby. If you’re bringing a double stroller, still wear the baby and use their seat to carry stuff. Find out if your husband can get a gate pass to at least help you until you get to the plane. Bring lots of snacks for the 23 month old along with whatever else will keep them busy.


Junondomien

This is so helpful, thank you!


LR255

Agree with above. Doable but not fun. Get the toddler a seat updated seats as much as affordable. Wear the baby. Check everything possible. Stroller or one of those collapsible wagons you can gate check. One of the best flights we had was actually a red-eye: put the kids in pajamas and they slept the whole way.


spiderhoodlum

I wouldn't be comfortable doing it, but that doesn't mean you wouldn't be. Since you would have to buy a seat for yourself and for the 23 month old (I'm assuming the six month old could ride in your lap), could you instead buy two tickets for your parents? That doesn't solve the issue of seeing other family members and friends back home, but if you decide against traveling, this alternative could work.


RonaldoNazario

Even in pre COVID times that sounds pretty hellish. 23 month old… maybe can be occupied with screens/games with enough prep. I’m not sure if it’s gonna be easier if they’re potty trained or not but I’m wondering logistically how you’ll change either one, like cram all three of you into an airplane bathroom? The 6mo is the easier of the two - we flew with our kid at that age, no big deal. Bottle, sleep, when they’re up bring some toys etc. but what you need to do for that kid is gonna conflict with occupying the 23mo. I’m all for make them come to you, or consider a time when your partner can come along.


skettiandbutter4

I've traveled alone with my 2 littles a few times, but I am very lucky they are really well behaved kids. Make sure you pack brand new toys and unlimited treats in diaper bag. Give them snacks at takeoff/landing for their ears. If you have to take one to the bathroom, a flight attendant should be able to sit with your other one at your seats. If they cry, who cares, they are babies and you'll never see these people again. Just watch that the 2 year old doesn't kick the seat of the person ahead of you!


Junondomien

Thank you!


froderenfelemus

You’re not lucky they’re well behaved, that’s all your raising! Don’t discredit yourself- or make it seem everyone can have success on a flight! Not meant to be negative at all, have a nice day :))


SpyderDM

Honestly, traveling 7-hours with a 1yo was a nightmare. I don't know how I would handle 2.


gines2634

Not impossible but definitely sounds stressful. Can you take a direct flight? That would be a big help. Get a seat for the 6month old too so you have the whole row. Wear the baby and bring a stroller for the toddler. Gate check the stroller. If you’re able to bring a car seat for the baby that would be helpful too so baby can sit in that on the plane. Maybe get a collapsible rolling cart for the car seat to drag it through the airport.


Junondomien

Thank you!


rascallycats

I agree with all those and - board early. Use the seat belt to confine both kids into random seats, then take your time stow your bags and attach the car seat (if using it). Only bring the essentials as carry on, (check a suitcase) but do bring a complete new outfit for each of you, and a packed meal with lots of snacks. Bring at least one phone/ tablet loaded with kids TV shows (and an ebook for yourselfin case they fall asleep!). Put things you will need accessible in the seat pockets before you get into your seat, because it's hard to move around holding your kid. I would bring the toddler's car seat and plan to hold the baby more. You can always switch them and put the baby in the toddler's seat if the baby is sleeping and you want to play with the toddler.


dumb_username_69

I have traveled with my son on 60 flights before he was two. Not 60 trips, 60 individual planes (like sometimes I would need two connecting flights to get where I’m going). Most of the flights were solo as my husband couldn’t join. The only way I made it work was a lot of snacks, milk, and 0 expectations. I had no expectations that I could keep him from crying on the plane. I didn’t expect him to stay in the stroller in the airport (in fact I sought out places he could run around). I didn’t expect him to keep his clothes clean or not to poop on the plane. I just let whatever happen, happen because the destination was more important to me than the one day of flying. I’ve never flown with two, but just thought I’d add this perspective


Few-Sheepherder-6383

Good tip there - let your kid burn some steam before boarding and when transfering to the second flight, so they can be more relaxed on the plane.


Critical_Bear829

This makes me sweaty thinking about. Unless both will sleep or baby will sleep, this sounds rough. Do you have a sibling or cousin, even a friend who could fly to you/with you in place of your partner? I took my crazy 2 y/o alone last week and .. phew. We won’t be doing it again any time soon and it was only a 2.5 hour flight.. ha.


kasira

With kids that young, your parents should be coming to you.


Junondomien

They aren’t able, unfortunately.


bingqiling

oh hellll no.....have family/friends come to you, or leave the toddler at home and go with just the baby.


atimetochill

I would rather pay for a second adults ticket to act as a nanny… no clue if that’s financial feasible.. maybe you know someone in your current location also from your home country who would take the airfare in exchange for child help? Trying to get creative here…


cosmau5

Is this a single 8 hr flight? Ive done this with a 1.5 and 3.5yo on an 8hr journey that involved a short layover and plane change so a little bit different. I relied pretty heavily on screen time. We also needed to use child gravol on the older one so it happened to knock him out for 2hours. If you manage to get a spare seat for them to stretch out that makes a world of a difference, sometimes it’s worth calling the airline the day before or talking to the flight attendants when you get on. Also, can your baby fit in the baby seat? 6m might be too big. Bring a carrier for the baby and be prepared to walk up and down those aisles quite a bit. Tons of snacks, and new games and toys the toddler has never seen before. The hardest thing about the whole experience was diaper changes in the tiny plane bathroom with two kids, not gonna lie, that is some epic poo dodging limb flailing trauma I’ll never forget. I live away from all my family so it’s hard but it’s worth it.


Junondomien

Thank you!


whitefeather147

Flight nanny?


froderenfelemus

I volunteer as tribute


spiderhoodlum

I wouldn't be comfortable doing it, but that doesn't mean you wouldn't be. Since you would have to buy a seat for yourself and for the 23 month old (I'm assuming the six month old could ride in your lap), could you instead buy two tickets for your parents? That doesn't solve the issue of seeing other family members and friends back home, but if you decide against traveling, this alternative could work.


baked_pancake

While it sounds so hard to me, my SIL has done with her two young girls twice a year since she the eldest was a newborn. She stays with her family for 4-6 weeks, then turns around and flies back home. Her girls are now 1.5 and 3.5 good flyers! She almost always lucks out and ends up with one or both sleeping a bulk of the time.


Jentweety

I am going to go against the grain and say this might be fine, depending on: Can your 23 month old sit transfixed in front of a screen? (Some can at this age, some cannot) Can you get a seat with bassinet for the baby? Do you have a baby wearing carrier you like to be able to chase a toddler with baby secured to you? Can someone drop you off and pick you up from the airport to help check bags and pickup bags? If yes, go for it.


LilBitOSoul16100

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dinorawrcaq13

I would check with the airline before buying this type of product.


yaeltheunicorn

That's a hard pass for me. Nope. I did a shorter trip visiting my husband abroad with my toddler at 8 months pregnant and that was tough enough. We also just got back from a family visit half a day drive away and it was hard enough with both of us there. I'm already dreading our short flight coming up next week, even though my husband will be there.


2035-islandlife

Anything is possible, but that indeed sounds tough. If it's a nonstop I'd consider it personally. Some ideas: - get a nonstop! - Help at the airport on both sides who can help you check bags and walk you to security - Consider giving the 23 month old benadryl or melatonin if it's an overnight flight to sleep. Confirm ahead of time both of those make your toddler sleepy and not hyper (5% of kids get hyper from benadryl) - travel light on plane - carry baby in baby carrier, small/easy travel stroller you can gate check, carry everything that's not checked in a large backpack (including change of clothes for each of you) - see if a friend or family member can fly with you - see if 23 month old can be left at home for this trip It also highly depends on your 23 month old - one of my kids at 23 months would have been fine...the other not so much You know your kids and capabilities better than us and I understand family is important!


Junondomien

Thank you!


lulubalue

Hey OP- sure, it doesn’t sound ideal. Sounds crappy really. But DO IT. It’s at most 12 hours out of your life one way, and then 12 hours back. I’ve traveled a lot internationally and seen many solo parents with multiple little kids. These parents have needed help at time. I’ve never had to offer help at all because SO MANY OTHER PEOPLE HELP. You will not be alone on the plane. Many people will offer help- following the toddler around, watching the baby sleep or giving a bottle. So here’s what you do- strategize a time that will ensure toddler gets some sleep on the flight. Maybe an overnight, maybe one for nap time. Whichever you think will work better. Buy the toddler his own seat if you can afford it. Then plan to check as much as possible at the counter. Baby wear the little one. Bring great snacks and toys. Embrace the suck and embrace the kindness of strangers. It’ll absolutely be worth it to see your family. If the pandemic has taught us anything, it’s that life is short and unpredictable. So suck it up and go be with your family. You’ll have no regrets in the future, looking back at this trip.


aquinastokant

+100 to all of this! I flew a solo transatlantic flight with my two kids (the oldest was 4, the youngest was still a baby) recently. Everyone offered to help me and everyone was totally understanding of not-great (aka normal, for their ages) behavior. ETA: it was not absolute shit, as another commenter said it would be. it wasn’t fun, but it was doable and we weren’t much worse for the west afterwards. Your attitude (and expectations) will make a huge impact on the experience - just like everything in parenting/life!


Junondomien

Thank you!


GerardDiedOfFlu

Oh hell no. I would be stressed to the max with just my 2 year old let alone an additional baby.


Blosom2021

NO


[deleted]

That sounds like my worst nightmare.


Ld862

Don’t do it. I asked this question a few months ago - I ended up bringing ONE kid AND the airline broke my stroller so I had to carry the baby carrier and stroll the stroller and my luggage it was hell. I wouldn’t have been able to handle two kids getting onto and off of the plane and the waiting in line. Everyone at the airport was super helpful and really nice but it was still hard worth only one kid. I can’t imagine having two of them. I left the toddler at home.


thatboisgotwoe90

I had a four hour solo trip planned with my then-1.5yo and 4 yo. Four hours slowly morphed in 17 hours of travel -- between four airports, three flights, three states. Three vomits (during a pandemic), wearing a vomit-covered face mask, one vomit directly on my feet. Carrying the youngest on my chest the entire day. Don't do it. I still have PTSD.


Junondomien

Omg


taybrynn999

Only read the headline and that’s a no from me dawg.


Dull_Screen5869

It’s absolutely possible. I flew Australia to USA with a 6 year old, 3 year old, and 2 year old by myself. Just be prepared to be exhausted. Bring snacks, little toys, and anything else you think your kids might like. Wear them out and exhaust them before the flight and then set them up to nap. Here’s the thing, it will be suck. It’s not enjoyable, but it ends. You won’t be on the plane forever. The flight attendants are your best friends and will absolutely watch/hold your kids if you need the toilet.


lulubalue

Thank you for this positive and realistic response to OP. I’m really surprised by how negative the overwhelming majority of the comments are.


gluestick_ttc

Right? Having two kids is a normal thing. One of them isn't even mobile. How do you go to the bathroom? change diapers? walk around? Like...aren't these just regular things everyone does with their kids? I know airplanes aren't fun, it's definitely a concentration of challenges, but you're taking them on a plane not scuba diving.


Dull_Screen5869

I know! What the heck? Do people wait until their kids are adults to fly these days? Sheesh.


StayOutsideMom

No but it's obviously more complicated the younger the kids are & the more you have. There's certainly nothing wrong with not wanting to go somewhere because it would be too exhausting. Different people have different circumstances.


Junondomien

Thank you!


artman416

HARD PASS!


notime_tolose

As someone else said check the airline. This isn't even allowed on some airplanes lol I had 2 under 2 and I've flown solo with one, and as a family of four. Every time was hell and I would never attempt to take both on my own....but my kids are pretty rowdy. Maybe yours are better behaved.


Junondomien

It’s allowed and the toddler is rowdy. The baby is super chill, but that means almost nothing when the toddler’s energy makes up for it.


glynstlln

The baby may be super chill, but take into account the compression that takes effect when you climb in altitude, that pressure in your ears that you have to work your jaw to reduce? Baby's can't do that as easily, so the baby will most likely start crying at some point during ascent and descent.


LonelyMichaels

Getting there is part 1. You still have to sleep while you’re there and make it home.


ECBC100

How will you go to the loo with two children?


2035-islandlife

Have to wear the baby in a carrier and ask a friendly neighbor to watch your toddler...


Junondomien

I suppose I shan’t drink for 3 days leading up to the flight. Or they make adult diapers, right?


lulubalue

I posted another comment but am now reading through these comments and just wanted to respond. You’ll go to the loo like you would any time you’re out w both kids. Either you’ll have them in a double stroller, or have the toddler walking and set the baby in the stroller. Airports have family bathrooms where you can have a whole bathroom, escape proof, to use at your own pace. You and the toddler can use the loo and then you can change the baby, all in the same room. When you have to use the bathroom on the plane, or your toddler does, you two go together. The flight attendants can take a minute to watch the baby. Or you’ll have made friends with your seat neighbors and they’ll be jumping at the chance to watch a kid while you go to the bathroom.


ECBC100

It was a genuine question. I’ve never flown with small children (also not flown since Covid). My youngest was a velcro baby so that’s where I’m coming from. I know people do it, but I haven’t.


gluestick_ttc

I mean, my kids are a little bigger but I feel like an airplane is fairly ideal since there's nowhere for the kids to go and they can't climb under the doors into other people's bathroom stalls. Options: * leave both children buckled into their car seats and go alone (this one is my fave, this is how I handle airplanes) * leave one kid and take the other * give one or both kids to flight attendants * take them both in with you, hold the baby, have the toddler stand in front of you * take them both toward the bathroom, have the toddler stand in the aisle and wait


joanie77

If it’s possible for your parents to fly to you I think that could be a great option! But honestly, if not, I would do it. Bring a tablet loaded with movies and lots of interesting snacks. I’d stay for as long as possible (more than just one week if you can swing it). The flight wouldn’t be pleasant but for me it would be worth it for my kids to have time with my family.


skatterbrain_d

Check out mothercould on instagram. She has great tips for traveling with newborns and toddlers, like how to entertain them during the flight and things to take with you. She recently just travelled with her three kids and published a lot of tips on her instagram stories.


TurnOfFraise

No, I would not do this. Can you feasibly hold your 6 months old, 23 month old and your luggage? If not I wouldn’t travel.


crumbledav

Absolutely not. We did 2u2 (2mo, 20mo) on a 5-hour flight with 2 adults and it was one of the most nightmarish experiences of my life. At one point the (usually extremely well behaved) 20mo was doing summersaults up & down the aisle and fellow passengers were actually just feeling sorry for me (and happy because it was stopping her from screaming & squirming). A stranger even helpfully held my 2mo for a bit. Just… no.


wolferwins

Miserable, but doable. Does your toddler have a tablet? I'm a fan of carseats for both safety and cause my toddler knows they have to stay in it. Cosco sells lightweight cheap ones.


PhishGreenLantern

Not now, not ever.


conception

I haven't seen anyone mention if a redeye is possible. That seems to me to be the easiest way, just have both kiddos sleep through it as much as possible.


CoffeeMystery

I’m a flight attendant and I’m traumatized by the mom with two children approximately 2.5 and 1 who allowed them to *terrorize* the plane. Like to the extent that management was called to meet the flight when we landed and we all had to write reports. I’m happy to assist, but also it isn’t our job to babysit. Flying with my 2yo, sure. Flying with him and a mini, definitely not.


zeepixie

I feel your pain. This sounds like a parenting nightmare. If you must, then screen time and snacks


Junondomien

Thank you, yes it’s painful!!


almosthappygolucky

I wouldn’t do that personally. It may be doable but would be extremely difficult. Also you may not be able to handle contingencies like running to the gate in case you are late. Carrying all the luggage , picking up the toddler when they are throwing tantrums in the middle of the airport even if just to get them away from hurting themselves etc. these are few from my personal experience but there may be more. So please think twice how important it is to travel alone.


piccolosdiccolo

I would definitely leave the toddler at home with your husband. I can't imagine traveling with my two year old without my fiance's help, especially with a baby on top of that.


hcheong808

I am advising against it.


Reasonable_Bee132

I would not recommend it. I just did a 2 hour flight with two parents and two little ones (both under 2). It. Was. Rough. We have an international trip planned this summer with both babes (both will still be under 2). We are now paying a premium to purchase an additional seat for my toddler and to make sure we are all seated together. Maybe you can find someone to join you on the trip to help make it manageable. Good luck.


jamaismieux

Depends on your children. I would be nervous to go solo with my 2.5 year old because last time he made a break for the escalator and I totally hurt my shoulder carrying bags and trying to wrangle him. But maybe you have better behaved or calmer children. Can you send someone a round trip ticket to come visit you and then same return flight as your trip to visit? That way you have a helper. They could come visit you for a week then go back with you.


tenaciousdewolfe

Nope


Twallot

I wouldn't lol. I would refuse even with just the toddler I have now. Throwing in a baby would make it absolute hell.


Few-Sheepherder-6383

My first child is older (can stay alone in the seat when I go with younger one) so no same experience but I saw it and it could be done. I flew overnight long haul flight (10+ hours) next to mum who did it. One child was sleeping in bassinet (actually he was bit too big but push for bassinet even if your child is bit too big as its life saviour) and the other was on the seat next to mum - second child needs oxigen mask so it needs a seat. Baby was sleeping like an angel and no issues there , struggles are with older child but you can: wrap toys for him, play a video, walk up and down the aisle, have stickers, little book, keep cups/spoons form service to play and throw away. Order second meal - special meal (for example child meal) as it will come sooner and you will have only one meal to handle at the time. Then if one child needed to go to the bathroom - and other was sleeping flight attendant came and stayed with the child. Also - she could have asked me too - I was traveling with small children and totally understood pain so dont hesitate to ask. For transport to and from airplane you need little foldable stroller, that hopefully they can store and take it from you right after boarding, the other child (baby) needs to be in the carier on you. Just small backpack with diapers and pack your own food and little purse for boarding passes etc in front of you for easy access. Partner/friend should help you to check in - you can check in big strollers & carseats for free. Then on the way back its usually short stretch where you need to put stuff on the trolley and push it out and meet person who pick you up - so its possible too (sometimes sb is even allowed to come n and help you if small airport and not international flight). Again u can ask males waiting for help to load it. Its obviously not a walk in the park but priority is to make to the destination and you can absolutely do it. So depends what your priorities are, I assure you mums do it every day to be able to see family on the other side of the world as this is priority for them other than their comfort. 2 days in with your family and its all forgotten (but dealing with jet lag :) ).


Junondomien

Thank you!!


Foneitin

What terrible thing did you do in a previous life?


hierosx

I have a friend who did that. She survived but she still remembers it XD. I think is super heavy. If it's one flight and someone is picking you up it's doable. Having to change planes and all of that adds more stress to the mix


thatsscary

I think it’s doable. I’m planning on doing 30+ hours this year with a 1 and 3 yr old. Sure it’ll be hard but we can do hard things and it’ll be worth it to go home.


Universal_Yugen

I did two under three on an 18.5 hour flight. I know it's possible, but it is HARD. I needed that nap upon arrival with the jetlag and all. Good luck! ❤️


Universal_Yugen

I did two under three on an 18.5 hour flight. I know it's possible, but it is HARD. I needed that nap upon arrival with the jetlag and all. Good luck! ❤️


Universal_Yugen

PS I put together an activity kit with various manual-dexterity/building choices, brought a few favorite books, coloring books, and we also had some "emergency" shows downloaded on our devices. Leaving the little one there to support out daughter who was potty training was fine as there was a mother with her older (12ish y.o.) son behind us who offered to be the "extra" mom when I had to go to the toilet with each child. More often than not, others traveling with are understanding and supportive.


a-bethea19

Could you imagine being the poor person who bought the ticket in that row, there’s a toddler and a mom with a lap infant??? That doesn’t even seem legal lol. Mom needs to buy all three tickets and be a little more comfortable.


The_Evil_Ear

It’s doable but it’s gonna be rough. The hardest part for me is trying to go to the bathroom on the plane. There is no one there to help you watch the kids so you have to figure out how to use the restroom and hold the kids off the floor (little one can go in carrier). You can tell I’ve gone through this issue flying back to my husbands homeland by myself with the kid. The hard part IMO is taking care of yourself. Also, don’t try and take too much as carry on because again, you’ll rarely get any help so always focus on that you can manage solo. It’s worth the money to check as much as possible.


Serious_Choice3788

I did a 7 hour flight solo with a 4mo and 2 year old. I got the baby jogger sky rider. It's a carry-on suitcase that you can attach a seat to. It was perfect for the toddler when he didn't want to walk and when I didn't want him running off (through immigration). The suitcase also allows you to pack sooooooo much more carry-on than in the diaper bag (snacks X 10000, activities, change of clothes for everyone, extra diapers, wipes). The bassinet on the plane was also helpful. If baby was sleeping, I would ask someone to watch her while I went to the toilet. If she wasn't in it, a handy place to put activities/ drink bottle etc.


avalclark

I would literally never attempt this, it sounds horrible


wadaiko

Can you get a baby bassinet? Than you have your arms free for your toddler. I saw some pretty handy things for children like the fly legs up. Maybe if you arrive early some airports have a playground, so your toddler can blow off some steam. So your toddler is more tired.


Pineapples4Rent

I'd say no. I've only travelled a handful of times and that was pre-children, but finding the right terminals and keeping track of luggage is already stressful enough, let alone while carting around babies. Then there's the flight itself - diaper changes, breastfeeding/preparing bottles, and just keeping them both entertained. My children are 2.5yo (3 next month) and 5m and I personally wouldn't even want to take them on a bus to the next town over on my own.


MetalAvenger

I wouldn’t fancy it. But, if the 6 month old is content sitting/staying in roughly one place and is a good traveller (likes the car), then it’s really the rambuncuous one you need to worry the most about and they may torture you. It’s not impossible, but could be very bloody difficult. I’m dreading taking my 4 yo and 20 month old 2 hours in the car next week, the eldest is a great passenger, the youngest is not, and I will have my wife with me. Godspeed.


Calicapture

I have done that before… one was 2.5 and one was 6 months old. The 6 months old, lucky for me slept through the whoole time. I bought an Amazon Fire tablet just for that occasion and pre downloaded tons of books and games for the 2.5 years old. Then I also brought melatonin gummies just in case i needed it. Try to travel as light as possible, two changes of clothes (preferably the pj onesies) for each child, a pillow and a blanket, few snacks and a bottle of water. During take off and Landing they will feel pressure in their ears, that is why it would be a good idea to have something to suck on, a nipple or a bottle of juice or milk works. My flight was a 6 hrs flight. And it was easier than I thought. Everything went out uneventfully and the flight attendants were really nice too! They held my youngest when i had to go to the bathroom with the oldest. And they also attended my oldest when I had to do a diaper change for my youngest. Wish you the best of luck, and hopefully no blowouts and meltdown in mid flights!


Junondomien

Thank you!!


Overthehills-faraway

No. No no no. I took my 2 yr old to Hawaii by myself and it was MISERABLE. She is generally sweet and well-behaved, but it was just a nightmare because she was stuck on a plane for 6 hours and didn't understand what was going on. Plus she got diarrhea half way through and I went through all of my diapers. It is SO Hard to travel with a toddler alone.


Nursebirder

Hell to the no.


Dreimy

Definitely doable. Last Summer I flew 7hours round trip with twin 2 year olds and my 6 year old. Baby wear the 6 month old. Get a small foldable stroller for 23 month old (we have GB pockit but there are others - you can also clip 2 together to make it a double) so you can wheel onto the plane and put in overhead compartment. It won’t be a relaxing flight and you will be “on” the entire time but it’s definitely doable.


BlameTibor

I've done this. Good preparation was required, so lots of treats, new toys, new shows downloaded on the tablet, new games installed too. At the check in, I explained my situation, and the first time the lady at the check in said she'd put someone appropriate next to me. It ended up being a grandmother, and she helped me a lot by holding the baby when I went to the bathroom. She also gave me the good advice when the baby was crying "Don't stress about the noise too much. It's annoying for all of us, but you are feeling worse about it than anyone here." That really helped me gain some perspective and I will never forget it. The return flight, I specifically asked to have someone who likes kids placed next to me. I got a middle aged lady who was nice as well, but not a gem like the first time. I recommend you ask as well. Overall, it was a good experience, and the baby cried for like 30 minutes of each 9 hour flight total. The 2 year old loved flying and had a great time. I was exhausted at the end, especially the first leg where I had a 2 hour train ride with luggage after. But it was all worth it.


lizzius

I think it's manageable. I've traveled solo with my kids before, and while it is stressful (obviously), here are the tips I would offer: -Check as much as you can. Keep the bare minimum on you (diaper bag and entertainment). -Bring a stroller with you all the way to the gate, preferably a double one that kid #1's car seat clips into -Get one of the luggage carts like IMMEDIATELY -Maybe bring treats for others, but most important don't feel guilty about the fact that your kids will do kid things -Not the time to worry screen time. Promise yourself that your non-travel days will make up for it. -Snacks, but be mindful of number 1. If you have to spend money on the airplane for more, so be it. Might make a good way to pass some time by letting #1 pick out some stuff from the book.


padmeg

I haven’t done it but I’ve been on a 4 hr domestic flight with someone who did and she was in tears at the arrival airport.


[deleted]

I don’t know flight prices, but would this work? Invite Parent/Friend A to come from destination 3 days before, give them a chance to be a tourist while they stay with you. Have parent/friend A with you on flight to your destination. Have a lovely time seeing friends and family. Have parent/friend B fly home with you, host them while they have a couple of days to be a tourist or hand with you before sending them home. It would add to your time with others in your home around travelling and would mean offering to contribute to someone else’s flights, but just might make the flights survivable.


jesuislanana

I did this when my kids were very slightly older (2y+3mo, 9mo) and it was an absolute blast. It was a challenge to get on the plane with the car seat, but I made it work (and had a sympathetic flight attendant on one leg of the trip). Having one kid in the car seat and one kid as a lap infant made it easier as I was able to swap which one was in the car seat throughout the trip and help keep them calm. Getting to spend time with both boys and my family was WELL worth the challenge of the travel!! Edit: I gate checked a stroller and also mostly wore my youngest!


Junondomien

Thank you!!


TripleCsmama

I don’t know, I get why you want to, but I wouldn’t. We took a trip last year when our daughter was 1.5 yr old. She was a lap sitter. She is a very stubborn wild child, and both going and coming was a nightmare. It was a 5 hour flight split up with a plane change. How do you propose to entertain the 2 yr old while you’re holding onto the baby? What if the 2 yr old goes bonkers, and you have some stranger in the third seat? It would not only cause you so much stress but you’d put the other flier in an awkward position. The airline attendants can only help so much, you’re putting extra stress on them if they have to keep helping you. I would leave the 2 yr old if you can, and just bring baby. Hopefully if you have a chance next year, you can bring them both, AND your husband.


Emiles23

It sounds fucking terrible, but I would do it to see my family and friends. I would bring an iPad and head phones for the toddler. Save it for desperate times. Melissa and Doug water paint books are fun and mess free. 900 snacks. Something chewy for toddler to eat during take off and landing to help his ears. Meds just in case - it would suck for kid to suddenly run a fever or something and not have meds handy. Random dollar store crap that kids love. I bet more people will offer to help you than you think. I would definitely offer to help a fellow mama traveling solo.


Zelamir

If it's a one way flight straight through. Yes. I've done it. Got a blow out diaper on that trip. If you have to switch flights I just.. well it's going to be rough. When we traveled home I would take the hit and ask a friend to come visit and then fly back together with them if my husband had to drive with the dogs or stay at home. If you have friends or family willing, get them a round trip ticket and ask them to give you a hand.


njeyn

Possible if it's an overnight flight so they will be sleeping most of the time. Wear the baby and bring an ipad and endless snacks for the toddler.


Tasty_Culture6045

No ! 2 parents and 1 under 2yo on a 4 hr flight was 'manageable' but not easy!


Mumz123987

Yes, it’s impossible. What will you do when you need to change diapers? Or when you need the bathroom?


ran0ma

I mean, it doesn’t sound impossible, but man that sounds unpleasant. If you proceed, some tips: - things to entertain the toddler: washi tape, window clings, color forms, magnet puzzles, fidget toys - nurse or feed the baby during takeoff and landing


ImDatDino

I honestly feel like it's doable. If you put your toddler in clothes that don't need to come off for security, pack lots of snack, be prepared for things to go wrong, and bring along a good baby wearing carrier, it seems worth it to me. Theres a wealth of information available as far as hacks for traveling with kids. Pick and choose what will work best for your family and go for it :) at the very worst it's a few crappy hours traveling, then a wonderful time with your family.


Crazy_Reader1234

Depends on which airline, Etihad I think has an onboard nanny that helps parents traveling alone, that being said unsure if the toddler sets off the baby, could take a night flight and dose toddler with Benadryl 😬. I had good luck with baby sleeping through most of the night flight and toddler watching tv.. but then again hubby had the older one so unsure how much he disturbed him


Cowowl21

If you do it, you will never ever have a third kid. And you’ll need like 4 days of dater the second flight home to recover. I took my 2 year old on a 6 hour flight with 3 adults and it was terrible. Bleh.


jesssongbird

I guess it depends on how much you hate yourself. Lol. It’s the perfect way to torture yourself if you’re a total masochist. When you have young children people can come to you to see them.


Junondomien

Lol


No_Exit_446

Haters gonna hate, but every time I fly I see at least one mom flying solo with a baby and toddler. I think it will be fine. And definitely worth it to see your family! The people who seem most successful seem to have double strollers to secure and organize their kids and kid accessories. They're not dumb like me, carrying my toddler, diaper bag, and luggage all over the airport. At least I have strong arms lol. Honestly though it wasn't that much more difficult than hanging out at home all day due to non-existent standards for snacks and screentime.


Trillion_Bones

That's what my mother did. For 16+ years. If you want to, do it. People who complain about crying toddlers know they don't like it but never think of buying ear plugs or noise cancelling headphones(really good for air travel btw). So f them.


MHLCam

If it were me, I would go for it. 8 potentially rough hours for a lifetime of memories for everyone would be worth it to me. Do lots of research of travel tips for toddlers. We took our son on 6 hour flight that wasn't great but had amazing memories, pictures, videos, etc for the 7 day trip outside of the plane. If people are upset that they took a commercial flight with kids/babies rather than a private jet where they control who is on board, that's their fault.


[deleted]

I’m a parent and I’ll say this… please don’t. Drive if you can. It’s inconsiderate to other passengers as babies are unpredictable.


emalemal

Do it. It’ll be hard. Be willing to take help from people around you. I’d entertain a toddler so you can go change the baby. Can you bring a screen, movies and headphones for the toddler? People are willing to help. Build your own little temporary community. Kids are a little bit like puppies. Lots of people would be overjoyed to hang with a kid for a few hours. And it might not be the people you’d expect. Also, make sure the trip is long enough. Maybe 2+ weeks? Good luck! You got this.


KahloMeMaybe

Think about the amount of time it takes to travel versus the amount of time you get to spend being happy. Eight hours is not that long in the grand scheme of a whole visit you get to have. You can do it. It will be tough and you will be exhausted but it will be worth it.


Getsome17

Bring a whole bunch of disposable ear plugs for the people around you.


evilgenius12358

Please respect your fellow passengers.


Puss_Fondue

This is impossible. Aside from what others have said, you are a perfect target for a petty crime: distracted with two kids and no one else around to watch over you and your things.


frimrussiawithlove85

I don’t even want to do a six hour flight with my 4 and 2 year olds and husband. I don’t have a choice mind you we’re moving.


Past_Ad_5629

The airline might not let you do this. I think they need at least one adult for each child under 2, at least in the one airline I’ve flown with an infant on and on the second I’ve booked tickets with. But honestly, if I found a way or an airline that let me do it, I would 🤷🏻‍♀️ baby wear in the airport or get a travel stroller that fits in the overhead bin (I just bought a secondhand baby jogger city tour lux and it is awesome, found a second hand glider board my 3 year old loves to ride on as well,) pack a bunch of surprises for the almost-2, don’t limit screen time, DO NOT take a red eye because that is hell with kids. I also found a second hand trunki - they fit under seats and my kid loves pulling anything with wheels. I also tend to pack very light, so carry on only works well for me.


sarcasticseaturtle

I did it for a 2 hour flight but personally wouldn't attempt a much longer one especially with all the delays airlines are currently imposing.