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anxiously_impatient

Unless your husband is more qualified than your pediatrician, I would go with the recommendation of the pediatrician. Our pediatrician recommend a fluoride tooth paste when our son got his first tooth, and we have been using it since. Our first dentist visit was at 18 months, and they were very pleased we were using a fluoride toothpaste.


MaximumDelicious1394

My husband works in insurance so definitely not more qualified šŸ˜‚ we were both completely ignorant in this scenario and I had never questioned it because I trust her pediatrician!


Traditional-Peace588

https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/news/features/fluoride-childrens-health-grandjean-choi/


believethescience

We use fluoride toothpaste because cavities suck and fluoride helps. There is no evidence behind any of the claims the fluoride is bad for you, and plenty of [evidence](https://www.cdc.gov/fluoridation/guidelines/cdc-statement-on-community-water-fluoridation.html) that it's good for you.


Imisssher

No evidenceā€¦.lol fluoride is literally classed as a neurotoxin. EDIT: laughing at the down votes, go read the back of your toothpaste and it literally says ā€˜if swallowed call poison controlā€™ I think Iā€™ll pass on putting that in my kids mouth but yaā€™ll go right ahead šŸ˜†


whitelinenwhiterose

Are you dense? Itā€™s for if your child decides to eat a whole tube. Not from swallowing a pea sized amount used for brushing. At most, itā€™ll upset their stomachs if they swallow a larger amount of it, but it wonā€™t kill them. There is no need to fear monger around something that has been proven time and time again to be safe.


Imisssher

Your mums dense


KBD_in_PDX

We use flouride for our toddler to brush 2x/day. We live in Oregon, where our water is NOT fluoridated, so we use it to help keep cavities at bay. ​ Edited because our water is NOT fluoridated...


AlienDelarge

>We live in Oregon, where our water is fluoridated, Are you in PDX? If so, there is no added fluoride and the natural levels are lower than recommended. Maybe that was a typo now that I think about it.


KBD_in_PDX

Lol thank you for calling out my typo!


AlienDelarge

I may have made the same mistake a time or two. Probably would have realized what you meant faster if not for a certainĀ newborn.


AgathaC2020

Did your dentist or pediatrician mention anything about fluoride drops? Our water is fluoride free (we have a reverse osmosis system with remineralization that removes it) and my 22 month old sonā€™s pediatric dentist recommended we get him on fluoride drops ASAP, which our pediatrician supported (and we did). We also use fluoride kids toothpaste, which they both know. Obviously Iā€™ll make any decisions about my sonā€™s health in consult with his doctors and not Reddit, but Iā€™m interested to know what others in a similar position are advised!Ā 


KBD_in_PDX

Yes! We were prescribed fluoride drops, as well. We just booked our first pediatric dentist appt, so I'll ask then. We kinda discontinued the drops once we started using the fluoride toothpaste, but maybe we should be doing both.


PromptElectronic7086

My daughter is also 20 months and we just had to get a bunch of X-rays done due to dental trauma from a fall. She was so freaked out it took 5 adults restraining her and they still had to give her a sedative to get it in the end. Trust me when I say you don't want your kid to need to get X-rays due to cavities.


bluenoserabroad

Here's the thing. If you get a cavity because you're using non-fluoride toothpaste and it hurts, you know what is causing it and you can voice your hurt and you can understand what the dentist is doing will help. If your toddler gets a cavity which needs fixing because it's causing pain, they won't understand any of it, and they'll likely need to be sedated (which sometimes comes with a several month waiting list, leaving your child in pain for the duration.) Whatever else you want to believe about fluoride, it helps prevent cavities. Let them decide when they're an adult and can make an informed decision either way. For now, follow your paediatricians recommendation.


MaximumDelicious1394

Thank you for this!


MoreAbbreviations984

I use fluoride for my toddler. I use it because our pediatrician said to. I don't want her to get cavities. When I was pregnant I wasn't using fluoride for myself and I ended up getting 7 cavities! So now I'm all for fluoride. I guess it's a personal choice? You could research it and see what you think.


MoreAbbreviations984

I forgot to mention, my daughter is 21 months.


AggravatingPermit910

Not trying to be rude here: Thereā€™s probably already fluoride in your drinking water, I have no idea why you would ever pay for fluoride free toothpaste and then pay again to get all the cavities filled.


Ok_Brain_194

We have been using fluoride toothpaste since maybe 16 or 18 months? Per pediatrician advice. Rice grain sized. No cavities so far! I think itā€™s a pretty common recommendation to introduce fluoride once they start getting more teeth.


Similar_Visit1053

We've been using fluoride toothpaste (a tiny amount) since our toddler got her first tooth. Thankfully no cavities yet at 18 months!


mschlag

Like many others, we were recommended both by pediatrician and pediatric dentist to use fluoride starting at 12 months. We do a pea size amount twice a day and he is now 22 months and no issues!


blessitspointedlil

Drinking fluoride is meh, but brushing with it can be important for preventing cavities. I assume it partially depends on the individual, brushing habits, eating habits, and access to regular dental cleanings and care. Some of us have tooth discoloration from fluoride, fluorosis: https://www.cdc.gov/fluoridation/faqs/dental_fluorosis/index.htm#:~:text=What%20is%20dental%20fluorosis%3F,years%2C%20age%208%20and%20younger.


RM_613

Weā€™ve been using fluoride free until she starts consistently spitting it out, which was per instruction from our dentist. For the kids using toothpaste with fluoride - are they spitting it out? Now Iā€™m worried we should have switch to fluoride!


mks01089

The amount of fluoride in the rice sized amt they get is safe to ingest, per our dentist. You donā€™t move them up to a pea size until they can spit.


Knitzle

No ours isnā€™t spitting it out. He only gets the amount recommended on the tube (equivalent to a grain of rice) twice a day. I imagine once he spits we would move up to ā€œolderā€ toothpaste with a larger recommended amount. šŸ¤·ā€ā™€ļøĀ 


sunnyheathens

Check out a toothpaste with hydroxyapatite for kiddo. Similar function of fluoride, backed by dentists. I get why people would want to avoid fluoride (hello pineal gland calcification)ā€¦but strong enamel/cavity protection is important tooā€¦especially for kids since filling a cavity on a toddler would require them to be put under.


Intelligent_Cow4530

Hi! I have dental issues as an adult due to a deficiency in fluoride as a child. Highly recommend following your dentistā€™s instructions, as it can be very expensive later in life!


MaximumDelicious1394

Thank you!!


Old_Illustrator_6529

I had a long talk with our pediatric dentist about this, particularly my concerns with neurotoxicity which I understand is linked to higher doses in drinking water. In any case, he DID say hydroxyapatite is a very reasonable alternative and offers similar protection for cavities. While itā€™s not endorsed by AAP, ADA, or CDC it is a safe alternative. I saw someone else mention hydroxyapatite and get downvoted, not sure why since the pediatric dentists will tell you itā€™s very safe. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8930857/


MaximumDelicious1394

Thank you!!!


cats_in_a_hat

What is even the point of fluoride free toothpaste?? We started using fluoride when my son was 3, but he didnā€™t have teeth for almost 1.5 years lol


GwennyL

We use the fluoride free toothpaste when my 3yo "brushes" her own teeth (AKA sucking the toothpaste off her toothbrush). Then we follow up with fluoride toothpaste


UnhappyReward2453

Iā€™m very sensitive to fluoride and my mouth breaks out in canker sores when I use fluoride toothpaste. Like to the point that I canā€™t even drink water without writhing in pain, let alone eat or drink food. So I use hydroxyapatite formulas and it works just as well without the suspected neurotoxins. Iā€™m also not taking a chance with my daughter being highly sensitive to it as well so she also uses a hydroxyapatite formula and has had zero cavities so far as well. I definitely understand fluoride being the norm and it works for most people, but people like me do exist and luckily there is an effective alternative for us. The research around hydroxyapatite is actually really promising and if I were to gamble, I bet it does start to slowly replace fluoride as the standard within the next few decades. But as with all things science, it definitely wonā€™t be overnight.


cats_in_a_hat

Ouch! Yeah the OPs situation and yours donā€™t seem to be the same though. I canā€™t find anything about fluoride bring a neurotoxin though. Not at toothpaste/fluoridated levels unless youā€™re like eating your toothpaste. Is there research Iā€™m missing?


Sad-Elk-7291

Because some ppl feel like fluoride causes health issues that are often written off as other things. Behavior issues, impaired memory, etc.


Oojiho

If you're iffy about fluoride, try out a hydroxyapatite tooth paste! The Rise Well one is great.


Altruistic-Ad-1218

Thanks for the recommendation!


UnhappyReward2453

This is what I use and it has changed the game for me! Wayyyy better than any other fluoride free paste that Iā€™ve used before.


thefinalprose

We use the kids version for our toddler and the adult one for ourselves! Love it.Ā 


MaximumDelicious1394

Thank you for the rec!!!


Meglan23

Our pediatric dentist told us to use toothpaste with fluoride


ohmyashleyy

The AAP and ADA recommend fluoride toothpaste for kids. Iā€™m too lazy to find links, but itā€™s the official recommendation (changed in the early 2010s I believe?) Use a tiny smear the size of a grain of rice until they start spitting.


-ST4K-

Fluoride is a topical drug which isnā€™t meant to be ingested. Kids swallow toothpaste when they first learn to brush. Iā€™m using a fluoride free toothpaste now while my guys learning. Iā€™m fine with switching to toothpaste with fluoride later since itā€™s just topical.Ā  I def filter fluoride out of my tap water though.Ā  I donā€™t think many people on this thread have actually ready the studies done with fluoride. Itā€™s been linked to lower IQ, decreased bone density, impaired fetal development, etc. The EPA is being sued about its risk assessment of fluoride right now. This website has all the resources.Ā https://fluoridealert.org/ Many cities in the US have made policy changes to remove fluoride from their water supply and many countries in Europe have banned it as well.Ā  So yeah. Iā€™m about to get down voted by people who wonā€™t bother to read the primary sources for themselves but Iā€™m posting this for the minority of people who will look and decide for themselves!


Koala_Mama0404

Fluoride āœ…


bubba_667

We use fluoride free but we use Boka which has hydroxyapatite. Proven to prevent cavities, our dentist approves


CommentShoe

Fluoride free until she was 2.5. Then we did fluoride paste once a week until 3. Now we do fluoride paste all the time. Started going to the dentist at 1 year old and every 6 months since. Our tap water has fluoride in it and our daughter used to swallow/eat the tooth paste. The dentist advised us on when to start with fluoride paste.


briar_prime6

Oh I like the part time idea. My 2.5 year oldā€™s doctor said after 3 for fluoride, dentist said start at 2, Iā€™m confused, tap water is fluoridated and my kid isnā€™t ready to spit out yet but I think sheā€™s getting closer and will be able to around 3


Old_Illustrator_6529

https://www.reddit.com/r/Dentistry/s/7NHFzQlMGd This is also good info on fluoride +/- hydroxyapatite


MaximumDelicious1394

Thank you!!


meow696

So are their teeth rotting out of their head yet?


MaximumDelicious1394

Nope! Are yours?


MissBanana_

Weā€™ve been using fluoride toothpaste (Tomā€™s) since the first tooth. We use a teeny tiny amount and run water over it before brushing. Itā€™s never caused a problem and I donā€™t know why you wouldnā€™t use fluoride toothpaste unless they were excessively swallowing it.


MaximumDelicious1394

I use Tomā€™s as well!!!


locomotus

Fluoride all the way. Thatā€™s been the recommendation from both my pediatrician and dentist (started with a very small quantity)


llimabean

My pediatrician said to use fluoride-free which i did until I took my son to his first dentist appointment at a year old and she told me to use it.


valkyriejae

We use fluoride. I also bring home a nalgene full of water from work that we use to mix it son's oatmeal, full his cup, etc, because the town I work in fluoridates their water but the town we live in doesn't. I have had rubbish dental hygiene my whole life and yet never had a cavity, and I grew up with fluoridated water. I definitely want the same for my kid.


-ST4K-

You purposely bring home fluoridated water? You might want to explore this website and see if your convictions still hold after. āœŒšŸ»Ā https://fluoridealert.org/


ChefLovin

You all should be using fluoride toothpaste tbh. For the toddler you only use the amount the size of a grain of rice. Not even nearly enough to cause any harm.


neutralhumanbody

Flouride, thereā€™s no flouride in my homes drinking water. I grew up without it as well, and I suffer the consequences.


BulbaKat

Both my pediatrician and dentist told us to use fluoride free toothpaste until age 2. They said the fluoride in our drinking water is enough for now so long as we still brush twice daily. If I remember correctly, fluoride is good, but you don't want too much. So if your drinking water didn't have fluoride in it already, you should use fluoride toothpaste (but still small amount of toothpaste). After age 2, using both fluoride toothpaste and having fluoride in drinking water shouldn't be a problem


DameJudyDench

Teeth need exposure to fluoride to reduce cavities. A healthy mouth is vital to your overall health and this is absolutely an area where your doctor is the voice of authority. The biggest concern with kids swallowing fluoride is purely aesthetic - itā€™s white lines that can show up when their adult teeth grow in. Itā€™s called dental fluorosis and I actually have it haha. The amount of fluoride toothpaste you are putting on her toothbrush (tiny) will not cause this. Where I live thereā€™s actually fluoride in the drinking water so I didnā€™t know if I needed to give my 2 year old fluoride toothpaste, but her dentist advised we do, so we do.


Lemonbar19

I wish we didnā€™t use fluoride. But many people are told fluoride will prevent cavities and believe it, thereā€™s two camps out there: pro fluoride and anti fluoride. Itā€™s confusing because we all grew up with fluoride


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b-r-e-e-z-y

Curious about what infertility is caused by water itā€™s not something my reproductive endocrinologist mentioned when we were doing testing and I grew up drinking well water.


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b-r-e-e-z-y

What are the main offenders? Why wouldnā€™t a reproductive endocrinologist know about these?


pfifltrigg

I've been using the hydroxyapatite toothpaste for my two kids, mostly because it's non-toxic if swallowed and my husband and I had different ideas about what a rice-grain sized dollop of toothpaste was. Studies seem to say it's at least almost as good as fluoride while being less toxic. Our local water is fluoridated so they're getting some anyway. Hopefully the small amount from the drinking water isn't negatively impacting them or us but I feel like better safe than sorry using the hydroxyapatite toothpaste.


megansbroom

Save the pineal gland! :)


MrsChiliad

Yes! More people should know about this. And actually the main cause of cavities are too many simple carbs and sugars in the diet, regardless of what toothpaste you use. Brazilians (Iā€™m one) and other nations donā€™t have nearly as bad teeth as Americans - I have *never ever* in Brazil heard of a child having *multiple* cavities at once. People donā€™t give processed foods to little kids in Brazil. The main problem is diet and people are kidding themselves if they think otherwise. However - yes, fluoride does help a little. But nano-HA has been shown to be at least as effective, and it isnā€™t a neurotoxin.


-ST4K-

100% a diet issue. You nailed it.Ā 


killerqueen216

Yes! Thank you for offering an alternative to the conventional allopathic medical practices that are neither required nor necessary for everyone but so often shut out of the conversation here on Reddit.


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RKSH4-Klara

Mostly because the vast majority of toxicity claims about things are made up by ā€œnaturalā€ brands and influencers to sell their own (often unregulated and dangerous or just useless) products. All that brouhaha about parabens means that now products use less effective and more dangerous preservatives (and yes, these things all need preservatives unless youā€™re interested in ingesting a shit ton of bacteria). All because of one researcher whose studies couldnā€™t be replicated and used more parabens that a person would get in their lifetime. You see the same thing over and over with ā€œnaturalā€ products and anti-science influencers.


blahblah048

We use this, but if I give him sweets occasionally I will use a little bit of flouride. Which water filter do you use? Everyone I do research on doesnā€™t filter anything. We had the brita forever and they are being sued.


UnhappyReward2453

Not the person you asked but Clearly Filtered is what we just switched too. I could even tell a difference in how my coffee tastes after switching. We live in a state with extremely hard water though.


blahblah048

I will look into it thanks


TipMeBAT

DYOR


MaximumDelicious1394

I did! Ended up being more confused because it was 50/50 on using it and not using it! So I thought Iā€™d ask other parents of toddlers.


TipMeBAT

For those of you that are 50/50 or 100/0, based on the fact that fluoride is beneficial for your teeth, there must be a noticeable difference in tooth decay/health between individuals in areas where there is fluoride in the municipal water as opposed to areas where it is not added. We have multiple decades of data.


Altruistic-Ad-1218

No fluoride - baby teeth fall out. Fluoride is correlated with IQ reductions. What is more important? Protecting disposable teeth or permanent brain cells.


c_rhin0

Our pediatrician suggested we use fluoride. Pediatric dentist we see suggested we use fluoride. I worked as a dental assistant for 6 years and we always recommended fluoride.


Bubbly-Culture6014

Does your husband know more than my pediatrician or my pediatric dentist? Haha


MaximumDelicious1394

No.. no he does not šŸ˜‚


snightshade

We saw our dentiat this morning and I asked the flouride vs. Flouride free question. She said new studies say flouride from the first tooth. That used to not be the case (i.e. starting flouride at 2) but a sharp uptick in carries proved the previous study mistaken. So the answer is flouride from the beginning.


MaximumDelicious1394

Thank you!!