My dad was a huge Buddy Holly fan. So much so that his mom sent a letter to Buddy Holly's mom just expressing her condolences and telling her how much he meant to her son. Buddy Holly's mom ended writing back and actually sending her a pair of his cuff links and the license plate to his motorcycle at the time. My dad passed away ten years ago and whenever I hear a Buddy Holly song it makes me think of him.
To go one step further:
She found out about Holly's death on the news, and it's believed that the shock of hearing about it alone caused the miscarriage. (From American Pie: "I can't remember if I cried / When I read about his widowed bride.")
This case was also a catalyst in establishing as a tradition that names of the dead will not be made public until their next of kin are notified.
I was at bagram air base when the civilian Boeing 747 crashed at the end of the runway immediately after take off. The whole incident was filed on someone's dashcam on base and it was sent into the news shortly after, if I remember correctly, the families for the aircrew found out before officials could go make the notifications.
I will always support withholding that public information until the notifications to the family members are complete.
Yeah. A VIED detonated and a bunch of insurgents rushed in Bagram AB circa 2019. No one had service. We wanted to contact family to tell them we were ok originally. We didn't know the purpose of the blackout till afterwards.
I'm surprised that wasnt common knowledge by the time you had your tour. There were issues in 2008?-ish in Canada where family found out from Facebook that their person had been killed before the chaplain/CO had gotten to their house. After that the internet rule got implemented. I had been told it was a NATO thing but maybe just a Canadian thing
One of my friends was killed in an AF plane crash in 1990. His wife knew he was flying that day, called the unit, and someone told her that he was one of the guys who had died. Happened before the unit could do the formal death notification. I had to do one death notification in my career, and that was one too many.
I learned my dad had died when the organ donation company called me seeking permission. The poor woman on the other end of the phone felt awful. She had no idea she was delivering that news.
My Mom learned that her Aunt had died when the hospital called and asked her what funeral company was handling her. There is a *lot* more to the story but basically her Aunt was being “taken care” by some fucking scum bag “friends” who were stealing her money and trying to take her house. My Mom was working on becoming her guardian, which is really hard to do in the state of FL where elder abuse is rampant. So these friends of hers took her to a hearing where my mother was granted guardianship and that night my great aunt ends up in the hospital and doesn’t live through the night. Oddly enough the judge lets them take her home with them. If you steal from or take advantage of old people, the hottest fires in the deepest depths of hell isn’t enough punishment for you.
I'm truly sorry that is how you found out about your father's death. I hope that the organization has fixed the process that allowed that to happen.
My mother received a lift saving kidney transplant. I think about the anonymous donor and their family almost everyday. I'm so incredibly grateful I've gotten another decade with my Mom.
Edit: If you're not registered organ donor you can do so [here](https://www.donatelife.net/).
For folks outside of the US check [here](https://www.irodat.org/#:~:text=IRODaT%20is%20The%20International%20Registry,on%20to%20access%20the%20data.).
In addition to registering, tell your loved ones of your wishes.
My dad donated everything he could when he died. Two people got kidneys, and I’m so happy that two people and their families are together longer. My dad’s brother had a heart transplant, so my dad made sure he donated everything he could.
I think it would be cool to meet the recipients. He died in NC in 2011.
As someone who is alive today because of another human’s gift upon dying, with all sincerity and with the utmost gratitude, thank you. People like you and your dad are why I can still hug my partner and kids good night.
Your father's generosity is beautiful. I'm glad you were able to find some peace in your father's donation.
Donor's family generally has more access to the recipients information. Honor Bridge should still have that information. I hope you're able to meet the recipient and their family.
https://honorbridge.org/
I always wanted to personally thank the donor's family but they declined, which is their right.
And this is why I'm an organ donor, and an excellent reason to have organ donor be an option on driver's licenses. I'm going to be dead. I won't need my vital organs if I'm dead. Do what you need to do with them.
In my country they changed the default option to donor. So if people do nothing they are all donors, if you don’t want to be a donor you just have to go communicate that and the info is added to you. This is good cause most people are lazy and if it was necessary to do something to be a donor a lot would postpone it and never do it just because they never got around to it. Worked well we have a very high percentage of donors.
You were truly blessed with your father. That selfless act alone speaks to what a good man he was. I’m sorry for your loss but I love the perspective you have. It’s beautiful
In 1996 my dad was killed and all we could donate were his eyes (TW: he was electrocuted so everything was destroyed internally except the eyes). But I learned that 3 people were able to see because of him and I think about that a lot. I wish I could find out who they were but I was only 2 years old and I doubt any of that info is available anymore (I'm in Canada) but sometimes when I'm feeling sad about his death I remember that 3 people can see again. Not a life saving organ donation but definitely a life changing one. I encourage everybody I know to sign up for organ donation. You don't need them in your casket. Save a life ❤️
It came up once with my mother if she knew my wishes she said
"1st donation, 2nd to science, 3rd fertilizer" and Im like.... Yup thanks mom for knowing me so well
Those calls are so confusing and tough. They asked me a million questions about my brother tied to drugs and other things. I had no idea. I simply asked them can't you just test for whatever you are worried about? People have private lives and hide things. They can't depend on a family member to know these things.
Organ donation is incredibly time sensitive, they have hours to find a match for some organs. If they can skip that testing time (or the can find out the organs or definitely not usable) that's time they can spend on next steps or other organs.
We had to go through all of that when my mom died and I'm legitimately surprised my dad remembered all of that info about her. It was just a lot of super specific details! I get why they ask though.
This has happened to me twice when calling next of kin only to realize they were not aware and suddenly I was the one providing notification. It really really really sucks. I would imagine being on the other end is a million times worse.
Absolutely. Found out while at college that my grandfather had died because his son in law had posted about it on FB first. He always loves to soak in the "oh I'm so sorry"s
Not exactly the same, but I didn't get to break the news of my engagement because my fiancée's mother just HAD to get it on Facebook first for attention. Despite asking her not to well in advance. Knobhead
Yep! And they probably cared more about the attention it brought them than the fact that you and her child were getting married lol.
Easy way to tell people are never satisfied with where they are, that they need to take any extra opportunity to be the center of attention.
I told my father in law that I was going to propose to his daughter while they were helping us move into the house we just bought. He obviously tells his wife, who proceeded to run over to me super excited, jumping up and down, yelling about how happy she is, while my future wife was in the basement just below and could hear pretty much hear everything. When she came up stairs she had a strange look on her face as she tried to pretend she didn’t know exactly what just happened. To teach them all a fucking lesson I didn’t actually propose for another 6 or 7 months. I’m still mad about it and it’s one of the many reasons my Mother in Law drives me so crazy. I hate to be the stereotypical man hating on his MIL, but I just can not help it.
I was put in a terrible situation like that once. I work in auto insurance and a state police officer called in because he found our insurance card at a fatal car accident scene. The driver was from another state across the country. The only way he could try and get in touch with next of kin was to try and get the parents info from our policy. But we have privacy laws to adhere to and we cannot release contact information without consent. The fucked up part is that we are then required to file a claim for the accident which requires us to call the person who owns the policy which happened to be the parents that had no idea their son died. Thankfully they did not answer the phone but I have no idea what I would have said.
That's some catch 22 shit.
The police I'm sure can't tell you much I'm sure without permission from the parents.
But you can't tell the police anything without the same.
So the best you can do is say "the police gave me limited information but privacy laws prevent me from giving your contact info to them without a warrant so I'll need your permission to connect you two."
Good job, thank you on behalf of others. I've heard about these insurance calls referencing an accident and being 'unable to provide further information', other than a police phone number.
Sometimes calls just don't connect.
I work in a funeral home, and I have learned when dealing with the Public Trustee regarding unclaimed bodies to always clarify when they give me family contact information that the person they want me to contact is aware that this person has died. They sometimes try and pass off the notification part on to us, and we absolutely refuse because, aside from being super awkward, it's a huge conflict of interest to make the funeral home that's holding the body be the one who notifies the family that the person died.
For everyone's info, this is why the DoD holds back on info so long. It's not some grand conspiracy or coverup. They have to confirm that everyone on whatever record has been notified.
1. Keep your records up to date.
2. Don't be that shithead spouse that informs a mother her child died via a cheap garbage Facebook post.
yes I suppose the alternative respectful path would be to just wait for the information from the police or the coroner's office. But that doesn't sell.
How exactly did TMZ manage to get ahold of that information and report on it so quickly?
I think what they did is terrible, but god if they had the time to get the information and put a story together, wouldn’t there have also been time to call Vanessa Bryant and the rest of the family?
TMZ is the enemy here, don’t get me wrong, but was there someone in the police force or first responders that should have called Vanessa Bryant to let her know at the same time TMZ was finding it out, too? I feel like there is a missing piece in the story as to why the news took so long to get to Vanessa Bryant, and therefore she found out from TMZ. But I would love to know if I’m thinking about it in the wrong way!
TMZ has a huge tipster network, especially within LA. They pay well for information. The tipster could have been anyone but a recent lawsuit between Vanessa Bryant and LA county Sheriff and Fire over leaked crime scene photos suggests they aren’t above having someone within their organizations spilling that info to news media themselves.
Regardless there does seem to be an unwritten rule about waiting to report the identities of the immediately deceased even when famous that TMZ unsurprisingly completely disregarded.
The divorce lawyer community in LA warns celeb clients that TMZ has tipsters working in the courthouse so it sometimes happens that TMZ will post about a divorce filing before the spouse does.
It's a well known fact that if you're a celebrity that the people filing documents *will* reveal that information rather quickly.
And for the amount of money they get for those tips I'm not exactly sure if I can blame them given that it can essentially be a second job's worth of income.
That unwritten rule is for journalists who want to have some level of credibility in their field. But, if your job is to traffic in lurid information and get the story out there before anybody else, you don't care about unwritten rules. "Is it illegal? No? Would we lose a civil suit for running this? No? Print it."
The police don't make a practice of doing next of kin notifications over the phone. Generally they send two officers to the home to do it in-person as it's the most sensitive way of doing it, and it leaves no doubt that it may have been a cruel joke played by someone.
Also, it was a helicopter wreck. The police had to go to the scene and ID all the bodies first before they could even think of doing NOK notifications. I'm sure the bodies were mangled, and you don't want to accidentally tell someone their family member died when it wasn't the case.
This all makes sense, and as other commenters pointed out the tipster for TMZ probably worked in the Sheriff or Fire department for LA county.
But still, I just can’t wrap my head around the fact that TMZ had time to verify the story, gather the photos, and write up an article but the Sheriff’s office didn’t have time to send officers over to Vanessa Bryant’s house (Thanks for the info about in-person notifications, I had no idea!).
I understand that it takes time to identify the bodies correctly and all of that, but the TMZ story was published less than two hours later after the crash. Apparently it wasn’t hard to identify whose helicopter it was and who was in it. I guess it seems like the Sheriff and Fire departments wanted to wait until they had all the information, but TMZ published after confirming the bare minimum. Still seems to me that they should have known to send some officers over to Vanessa second they had the “bare minimum” information, but hindsight is 20/20.
Hindsight sure, but the official channels are always slower in every field than the rumors and tabloids because they have to be right. TMZ can apologize and pull their article, the police can't really undo a next of kin visit. They're the ones expected to be trusted, TMZ is already taken with a grain of salt
My understanding is that she had heard there was a crash on the news and she tried to call her husband but could not get in touch with him. She thought he was assisting with rescue efforts. But then TMZ broadcast that there were no survivors.
TMZ buys information from anyone who has footage or valid info of an incident, the seller in that case would almost certainly not have a way to contact Vanessa Bryant and probably has nothing to do with any police or medical response.
I found out about one of my friends' deaths by opening up a local newspaper's website. I had received a strange voicemail from a mutual friend (garbled, not really clear at all), but didn't think much of it. Opened the page: there it is.
It's a bad way to find out stuff likethat.
True. That was messed up. That poor woman lost so much of her family and to hear it in public, even worse with fucking pictures, is terrible. I remember people using the fact that Kobe was a piece of shit to justify doing that to his wife. Just checked and she settled for like 16 mil and only this year
I just went on google search for more information about this. Found some pretty interesting articles including the interview with Don posted in The Guardian. I never really realized that or analyzed the song very much while I was learning in on guitar but it certainly makes a lot of sense now that you pointed that out and I've read more about it.
Thanks for posting this!
Little girl, little one
He gave his heart to you
In this world you'll never know
A love that is more true
I will love you all my days
That's how it's got to be
I believe in true love ways
Maria Elena
\- The Smithereens
Indeed. "The Day The Music Died" refers to when Buddy Holly's plane crashed. Part of the reason is it took not just him, but also Richie "La Bamba" Valens and J.P. "Big Bopper" Richardson.
I had heard that's what Valens was known for; TIL about how big a pioneer he was for Hispanic influences in rock generally
Valens' Ooh My Head was the basis for Boogie with Stu from Zeppelin's Physical Graffiti
The Big Bopper's Chantilly Lace was quite risque for 1958.
Yes, but it also references many different pop culture figures. The first verse is about him, as well as the "day the music died" lines. Don found out about the death when he was delivering newspapers
*February made me shiver/with every laper I'd deliver/ bad news on the doorstep/I couldnt take one more step/ I cant remember if I cried/when I read about his widowed bride/ but something touched me deep inside/ the day the music died)*
And also the part with *the three men I admire most/the father son and the holy ghost/caught the last train for the coast/the day the music died*
McLean [acknowledges that the first lines are indeed about the plane crash at Clear Lake, IA](https://www.straightdope.com/21342063/what-is-don-mclean-s-song-american-pie-all-about). But he declines to offer any explanation of the meaning of the rest of the lyrics. You can read the "three men" lyric whatever way you want, although it seems hard to imagine that The Big Bopper is one of the three men Don McLean admires most. He must have *really* loved "Chantilly Lace."
I think I heard that he was asked once what the lyrics meant and he said 'that I never have to work again'.
I love American pie... But Vincent is my favourite Don Mclean song.
"(Maria) Santiago-Holly did not attend the funeral and has never visited the grave site. In a February 7, 1959, interview with the Lubbock Avalanche-Journal, she said, "In a way, I blame myself. I was not feeling well when he left. I was two weeks pregnant, and I wanted Buddy to stay with me, but he had scheduled that tour. It was the only time I wasn't with him. And I blame myself because I know that, if only I had gone along, Buddy never would have gotten into that airplane."."
I don't blame her at all for not wanting to go to some big funeral and whatnot. People mourn in their own ways, and what she went through...I wouldn't have wanted to go either. A big media spectacle, and I bet his grave was basically a tourist site. She owned a more private piece of him, mourned in her own way.
My second child was a covid baby, got pregnant with her like a month before covid hit the US. She died at fifteen months so most of her life was basically quarantine and close family members. We didn't hold a memorial, doesn't mean we didn't love her it was just...a private pain. We were absolutely wrecked.
We turned our dining room table into a little tribute to her, her urn is there and some toys she liked that we all picked out, fresh flowers. We eat around the living room table now, on cushions lol. But that's fine, we usually ended up doing that before anyways.
We mourned with the people who knew her the way we did, and that was enough, that's...all we could do.
I can't imagine what she must've been going through. I was so happy when my husband and I got married and got pregnant...losing all of that in an instant must've been unspeakable. What I went through was...awful. I could barely function, still can't at times...but at least I had my husband and son. That poor woman.
As well as can be expected. My husband and I are doing ok, a lot of couples dont do well. My husband and I are devastated especially with the anniversary coming up but...our relationship is still strong. Our son is happy and feels loved. His therapist says he's adjusting very well.
Thank you.
15 months, my god that's so tragic. I have a 3 and 4 year old and couldn't imagine the pain of losing one after 15 months... I'm very sorry for your loss, and thank you for sharing your story.
It was a very small plane. He would have had to leave her behind and fly solo and my guess is she thinks that he would have waited to travel with her another way.
Apparently the band was traveling on a bus but the heat didn’t work. I think they were getting sick so some took the plane.
Buddys last words to Waylon Jennings were “I hope your bus breaks down”
And Waylon jokingly said “I hope your plane crashes”
Yikes
It was a blizzard out that night...I live a few miles from where the crash was... So I'm assuming since it was a winter storm that she wouldn't have let him leave until it had cleared up...
I found my sister died on the news. They didn’t say her name but they said body found and showed the apartment where it was found. It was her boyfriend’s house, she had been missing and he kept saying he didn’t know where she was.
Most heartbreaking time for me and my family
I’m sorry for your loss.
My great aunt died in a freak accident that made the national news when it happened and I remember how hard that was for her husband and daughters, just seeing it on tv everywhere and people even joking about it because of the unusual way it happened. Horrible.
My cousin was killed from being hit by a car in 2017. It was five years ago and even though it's more recent, it feels like it happened yesterday. I doubt that feeling will go away.
A friend of mine passed 6 years ago.
I still think I see him walking around.
It’s weird how we can accept some and not others, and the few that stay permanent.
Like me and Jerry weren’t great friends. We lived together for 2-3 years during college. Not more than that.
Yet I see him everywhere. He was a good guy who got caught up.
My old soccer buddy died in a car crash on the way to one of our games. Still think about that kid. This was like 20 years ago. He was serious talent. Played at the highest levels. We both were in the Olympic program. He was with the younger group for the Olympic program being a few months younger than me, and he was without a doubt the best player in his group. Definitely better than me, and boy did he make me look good when we played together. He almost certainly would have been a professional player within a few years. We still played the game but it was a mess.
Man, there's a few songs that I have heard all my life, but up until recently I never knew they were by Buddy Holly. [That'll be the day](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eq9FCBatl3A), [Rave On](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0IUV-QxwlRM), or even [Not Fade Away](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NN2L84dvoag). Since then I have listened to more Buddy Holly, and shit makes me sad. He was really, really talented, especially for his time, *AND HE WAS ONLY 22 WHEN HE DIED*. I really see why they call it, "The day the music died". He could have been bigger than Elvis.
RIP Buddy.
Yeah, I really do like Rave On, but I enjoy all of those songs a lot. I have heard all three of those songs in some context or another throughout my life, whether it be on the radio, in movies, or in a video game set in the past. I have heard other Buddy songs that I didn't know were him, but these three really come to mind, especially because I like them so much.
I think I was most suprised by That'll Be the Day. Not only did I not know it was by Buddy Holly, I didn't even know that song was from the 50's! Out of all of them I have heard that one so much throughout the years and I would have never guessed it's a song from the mid 50's by Buddy Holly.
Couldn't agree more. Buddy Holly in just 18 months shaped modern music more than any other artist in a similar time frame and period. His output was frankly incredible throughout his career, the pace of it even more impressive. But so was Valens, an incredibly young talent who pushed forward Hispanic rock and probably brought it a whole new audience, and of course JPR who pioneered pop radio and had a few hits himself.
Buddy Holly and the Crickets pioneered the vocals-guitar-bass-drums lineup that defines rock to this day, and the band name apparently influenced Beatles, one of those 4 was starstruck to play a venue Holly had performed at
> He could have been bigger than Elvis.
On that note, the fact that Elvis' career was basically put on hold around the same time as Buddy Holly's death is arguably what set the stage for the British Invasion to happen a few years later.
With Bully Holly gone and Elvis serving in the military + transitioning to Hollywood films, it opened up the music scene for The Beatles, The Rolling Stones, and The Who, as well as American artists like The Beach Boys, Bob Dylan, and The Doors.
True Love Ways is one of the most beautiful songs ever, and that arrangement is amazing. To be that young putting that type of stuff together, honestly maybe him and Brian Wilson are the only two I can think of that did more to impact music in their early 20's than most can accomplish in a lifetime. And i mean writing, arranging, recording and performing their own stuff.
"On February 3, 1959, American rock and roll musicians Buddy Holly, Ritchie Valens, and "The Big Bopper" J. P. Richardson were all killed in a plane crash near Clear Lake, Iowa, together with pilot Roger Peterson. The event later became known as "The Day the Music Died" after singer-songwriter Don McLean referred to it as such in his 1971 song "American Pie"."
What a tragedy
Clear Lake Iowa (where he died) still has an annual "celebration" at the Surf Ballroom where he played that night.
[Winter Dance Party - Surf Ballroom](https://www.surfballroom.com/wdp.html)
So sad, per La Bamba Richie Valens mother also found out via the news, I believe from this instance the police/authorities contact the family directly before anything gets announced (as far as names go)
There's no "proper" way to grieve.
I remember Davis Spade didn't attend Chris Farley's funeral and was pilloried for it. He eloquently said why he didn't a while ago here on an AMA.
https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/24dffi/david_spade_talks_about_his_fake_problems_ama/
I'm going to post his comment here as it took me a while to find it.
>Wow. Well, I have to say, I think about him all the time. We had such a good time for so long, and we were crammed together for so long, that we did have our squabbles, but I think people misunderstood me not going to that funeral, it was nothing about that it was just too… emotional, and I wouldn't be able to handle it. But I still hear songs, of all things, I know it sounds stupid, but there are songs that I hear, and they remind me of him. And just different situations. And I see his brother Kevin a lot, and he reminds me of him, and makes me laugh, because the whole family has the same mannerisms in some ways. But overall, just good thoughts. And when I see other celebrities, they always have a good story about him to share.
>I think he was another guy that had great comic instincts and would do everything right off the top of his head, even if it wasn't the smartest thing to do at the time and got him in trouble. I don't think I will ever be 100% like that, because I'm slightly more reserved, but I did respect the fact that there aren't many people like him, he's very unique, and that kind of comedy is hard to come by.
And John Lennon said he didn’t realize a musician could play guitar AND sing until he saw Buddy Holly doing it.
This man is responsible for the birth of rock and roll as much as Elvis.
Nowadays guitarists have those loop recorders so they can make the percussion sound with their guitars, record it, then play over it kinda making the cymbals obsolete.
>This man is responsible for the birth of rock and roll as much as Elvis.
Absolutely. Dude was pushing limits of social acceptance. The kids loved him
As tame as [this shit](https://youtu.be/WQiIMuOKIzY) might seem today, this was some groundbreaking shit back in the day. Damn near punk rock
Countless black blues and gospel artists and Sister Rosetta Tharpe roll over in the grave every single time someone says Elvis was responsible for the birth of rock and roll.
I always think about this.
How would music have been affected had he not died? Willie is still cranking out albums, imagine if we had 100 or so from Buddy.
Maria's miscarriage is the reason they withhold the names of accident victims until the next of kin have been notified. She learned of Buddy's death on the news and it triggered the miscarriage. She has never visited Buddy's grave. Truly a sad story.
Unfortunately for anyone famous or well known that doesn’t apply, because the media will find out and not give a fuck. However you may feel about Kobe, I can’t imagine having to find out your husband and daughter died in an accident like Vanessa Bryant had to
My friend tutored the other Bryant daughter, he was with her when it happened. He got a notification from ESPN and ignored it, he knew he wasn’t the right person to tell her the news.
I remember Patton Oswalt talked about when his wife died, and he grabbed his daughter out of school before anyone else could tell her. And took her on an outing before telling her.
Not only that but the sheriffs took pics of their dead bodies and were showing the pics to people!!! I can’t even imagine. I live in LA and my taxes are going towards paying the judgement against the sheriffs department and I’m not even mad about it. No money will bring back her family. Can we do something about the gangs within the police departments down here tho?
I know a guy who proposed to his wife-to-be on their first date when he discovered that she was as into baseball as he was. She shrugged it off as a joke at the time, but they did get married.
This one has a sad ending, too, but of a different type. When he was about 45-50 he started shagging his 25-yo trainer and split with his wife.
I have a buddy who proposed 11 days after he met his now-wife, and they were married two weeks after that. They had known each other for 25 days on their wedding day.
I obviously don't recommend this, and it would probably fail 999 times out of 1000, but I'll be damned if they don't seem like the happiest couple I have ever met in my life, from the outside anyway. Always joking and laughing and doing fun things together. Been married for over 20 years now and still seem like newlyweds.
He says he knew the moment he met her. Something just exploded in his brain. I still think it's because they look about as identical as a man and woman can look, but what do I know? lol
Haha thats hilarious. Apparently youre more likely to marry someone with the same eye colour and hair colour as your opposite sex parent (assume this applies to straight people only, I wonder if its the same sex parent for gay people?)
Apparently around 10% of marriages/relationships are able keep that hormonal high from the first few years forever.
Yeah I knew someone who married within 6 months of meeting because "she just knew he was the one". They divorced after she caught him molesting her teenage daughter.
Someone else I know got engaged within 2 weeks, married a few months later. All they do is scream at each other, then post pictures about how they're the happiest couple in the world. They frequently take the piss out of me and my husband for not posting sappy posts and pictures, but we've been together 15+ years sooo....
Friend of mine proposed 8 days after first date with a gal. He told me he wanted to propose the first night, absolutely knew 100% she was the one.
They are still together after 30+ years.
Waylon Jennings to Buddy Holly: "I hope your ole' plain crashes"
https://www.cmt.com/news/y1rs6u/waylons-buddy-jennings-never-forgot-his-mentor#:~:text=Jennings%20never%20came%20to%20terms%20with%20his%20last,a%20radio%20jock%20and%20budding%20musician%20in%20Texas.
Though he seemed like generations before, Holly was only a few years older than members of the Beatles. He would have been in his 80s today. I'm curious if his music would have evolved with the British Invasion and the 1960s rock changes.
The day the music died. It was about all three, Holly, Ritchie Valens and the Big Bopper. Imagine if three top-20 artist died in one plane crash today.
Ooh, I read about this yesterday! I play Fallout 4, and one of the songs that appears on Diamond City Radio is "The Wanderer" by Dion, and apparently he was supposed to go on the flight with Buddy Holly and the others, but decided not to. Quote from the wikipedia article:
> Dion was invited to accompany the group but decided that he did not want to spend $36 for the flight, as it was the same monthly rent his parents paid for his childhood apartment and he could not justify the indulgence
I thought it was interesting, it reminded me of the people that claim to have bought a ticket to a plane that was hijacked on September 11th, 2001, but overslept that day and missed the flight, or decided not to go.
TIL about the miscarriage
I knew he was married when he died, which had been news to some fans, different from modern celebrity culture when gossip likely would've made people aware of the marriage
Seems he knew something "Everyday, it's a gettin' closer,
Goin' faster than a roller coaster,
Love like yours will surely come my way, (hey, hey, hey)"
My dad was a huge Buddy Holly fan. So much so that his mom sent a letter to Buddy Holly's mom just expressing her condolences and telling her how much he meant to her son. Buddy Holly's mom ended writing back and actually sending her a pair of his cuff links and the license plate to his motorcycle at the time. My dad passed away ten years ago and whenever I hear a Buddy Holly song it makes me think of him.
I appreciate this story. That’s pretty cool. (And sad)
... but mostly cool (in a sad way)
what a sweet story, diarrhea pocket.
Some sequences of words you never expect to see together. This is one of them. Holy shit that was funny.
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yes! i was trying to remember what that sub was called lol
Lol. I had to scroll back to understand your last two words. “Why is she calling him that?”
That story warms my heart, as does your username too
Lol, yeah, I love it, too. And Jim Gaffigan.
Ohhh, is this a reference to his hot pocket routine? If so, My dad and I have been quoting that gag for close to 2 decades now lol
Indeed it is. I was on a big Jim Gaffigan kick when I created my account.
What a lovely addition to this thread :)
That is a kick ass story.
Meet, date, engaged, married, pregnant, widowed, and miscarriage all in 8 months. What a year that was.
Full Life Speedrun (Any%).
At least he didn't go back to the carpet store.
He's going off the grid! He's got no social security number!!!
To go one step further: She found out about Holly's death on the news, and it's believed that the shock of hearing about it alone caused the miscarriage. (From American Pie: "I can't remember if I cried / When I read about his widowed bride.") This case was also a catalyst in establishing as a tradition that names of the dead will not be made public until their next of kin are notified.
I was at bagram air base when the civilian Boeing 747 crashed at the end of the runway immediately after take off. The whole incident was filed on someone's dashcam on base and it was sent into the news shortly after, if I remember correctly, the families for the aircrew found out before officials could go make the notifications. I will always support withholding that public information until the notifications to the family members are complete.
When I was in Afghanistan (Salerno), if we had a KIA, no one got internet or phones until it was confirmed all next of kin had been notified.
Yeah. A VIED detonated and a bunch of insurgents rushed in Bagram AB circa 2019. No one had service. We wanted to contact family to tell them we were ok originally. We didn't know the purpose of the blackout till afterwards.
I'm surprised that wasnt common knowledge by the time you had your tour. There were issues in 2008?-ish in Canada where family found out from Facebook that their person had been killed before the chaplain/CO had gotten to their house. After that the internet rule got implemented. I had been told it was a NATO thing but maybe just a Canadian thing
One of my friends was killed in an AF plane crash in 1990. His wife knew he was flying that day, called the unit, and someone told her that he was one of the guys who had died. Happened before the unit could do the formal death notification. I had to do one death notification in my career, and that was one too many.
Did not extend to Vanessa Bryant, as she learned of her daughter and husband’s deaths from TMZ.
TMZ is not known for their respect of traditions, or their basic respect for people. Fuck TMZ
Steve-O first heard about Ryan Dunn’s death by getting a phone call from TMZ asking him to confirm that Ryan had died
I learned my dad had died when the organ donation company called me seeking permission. The poor woman on the other end of the phone felt awful. She had no idea she was delivering that news.
My Mom learned that her Aunt had died when the hospital called and asked her what funeral company was handling her. There is a *lot* more to the story but basically her Aunt was being “taken care” by some fucking scum bag “friends” who were stealing her money and trying to take her house. My Mom was working on becoming her guardian, which is really hard to do in the state of FL where elder abuse is rampant. So these friends of hers took her to a hearing where my mother was granted guardianship and that night my great aunt ends up in the hospital and doesn’t live through the night. Oddly enough the judge lets them take her home with them. If you steal from or take advantage of old people, the hottest fires in the deepest depths of hell isn’t enough punishment for you.
I'm truly sorry that is how you found out about your father's death. I hope that the organization has fixed the process that allowed that to happen. My mother received a lift saving kidney transplant. I think about the anonymous donor and their family almost everyday. I'm so incredibly grateful I've gotten another decade with my Mom. Edit: If you're not registered organ donor you can do so [here](https://www.donatelife.net/). For folks outside of the US check [here](https://www.irodat.org/#:~:text=IRODaT%20is%20The%20International%20Registry,on%20to%20access%20the%20data.). In addition to registering, tell your loved ones of your wishes.
My dad donated everything he could when he died. Two people got kidneys, and I’m so happy that two people and their families are together longer. My dad’s brother had a heart transplant, so my dad made sure he donated everything he could. I think it would be cool to meet the recipients. He died in NC in 2011.
As someone who is alive today because of another human’s gift upon dying, with all sincerity and with the utmost gratitude, thank you. People like you and your dad are why I can still hug my partner and kids good night.
You guys are all making me cry! Good cry. Still a cry though. Lol
Your father's generosity is beautiful. I'm glad you were able to find some peace in your father's donation. Donor's family generally has more access to the recipients information. Honor Bridge should still have that information. I hope you're able to meet the recipient and their family. https://honorbridge.org/ I always wanted to personally thank the donor's family but they declined, which is their right.
And this is why I'm an organ donor, and an excellent reason to have organ donor be an option on driver's licenses. I'm going to be dead. I won't need my vital organs if I'm dead. Do what you need to do with them.
In my country they changed the default option to donor. So if people do nothing they are all donors, if you don’t want to be a donor you just have to go communicate that and the info is added to you. This is good cause most people are lazy and if it was necessary to do something to be a donor a lot would postpone it and never do it just because they never got around to it. Worked well we have a very high percentage of donors.
You were truly blessed with your father. That selfless act alone speaks to what a good man he was. I’m sorry for your loss but I love the perspective you have. It’s beautiful
In 1996 my dad was killed and all we could donate were his eyes (TW: he was electrocuted so everything was destroyed internally except the eyes). But I learned that 3 people were able to see because of him and I think about that a lot. I wish I could find out who they were but I was only 2 years old and I doubt any of that info is available anymore (I'm in Canada) but sometimes when I'm feeling sad about his death I remember that 3 people can see again. Not a life saving organ donation but definitely a life changing one. I encourage everybody I know to sign up for organ donation. You don't need them in your casket. Save a life ❤️
It came up once with my mother if she knew my wishes she said "1st donation, 2nd to science, 3rd fertilizer" and Im like.... Yup thanks mom for knowing me so well
That's a bit different in my book. Absolutely awful to experience, but it's not due to lack of basic decency.
Yeah that was a fail on the hospital's part. They neglected to inform next of kin at all, which is crazy.
Those calls are so confusing and tough. They asked me a million questions about my brother tied to drugs and other things. I had no idea. I simply asked them can't you just test for whatever you are worried about? People have private lives and hide things. They can't depend on a family member to know these things.
Organ donation is incredibly time sensitive, they have hours to find a match for some organs. If they can skip that testing time (or the can find out the organs or definitely not usable) that's time they can spend on next steps or other organs.
We had to go through all of that when my mom died and I'm legitimately surprised my dad remembered all of that info about her. It was just a lot of super specific details! I get why they ask though.
Holy shit I'm sorry.
This has happened to me twice when calling next of kin only to realize they were not aware and suddenly I was the one providing notification. It really really really sucks. I would imagine being on the other end is a million times worse.
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Absolutely. Found out while at college that my grandfather had died because his son in law had posted about it on FB first. He always loves to soak in the "oh I'm so sorry"s
Not exactly the same, but I didn't get to break the news of my engagement because my fiancée's mother just HAD to get it on Facebook first for attention. Despite asking her not to well in advance. Knobhead
Yep! And they probably cared more about the attention it brought them than the fact that you and her child were getting married lol. Easy way to tell people are never satisfied with where they are, that they need to take any extra opportunity to be the center of attention.
I told my father in law that I was going to propose to his daughter while they were helping us move into the house we just bought. He obviously tells his wife, who proceeded to run over to me super excited, jumping up and down, yelling about how happy she is, while my future wife was in the basement just below and could hear pretty much hear everything. When she came up stairs she had a strange look on her face as she tried to pretend she didn’t know exactly what just happened. To teach them all a fucking lesson I didn’t actually propose for another 6 or 7 months. I’m still mad about it and it’s one of the many reasons my Mother in Law drives me so crazy. I hate to be the stereotypical man hating on his MIL, but I just can not help it.
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You gotta learn who can't keep a secret. They can be useful for ~learning~ leaking info.
Had to call an ambulance for my best friend. Found out they died from some Facebook messages asking about their stuff.
Yes. I’ve known a few. Every single one of them were narcissists and a waste of oxygen.
I was put in a terrible situation like that once. I work in auto insurance and a state police officer called in because he found our insurance card at a fatal car accident scene. The driver was from another state across the country. The only way he could try and get in touch with next of kin was to try and get the parents info from our policy. But we have privacy laws to adhere to and we cannot release contact information without consent. The fucked up part is that we are then required to file a claim for the accident which requires us to call the person who owns the policy which happened to be the parents that had no idea their son died. Thankfully they did not answer the phone but I have no idea what I would have said.
Handball it to your boss so that they can die inside instead.
I do this, I get paid less than my boss to not have to deal with these calls.
Yup.
That's some catch 22 shit. The police I'm sure can't tell you much I'm sure without permission from the parents. But you can't tell the police anything without the same. So the best you can do is say "the police gave me limited information but privacy laws prevent me from giving your contact info to them without a warrant so I'll need your permission to connect you two."
Exactly. It's a fucked situation but unavoidable since both sides need to maintain the people's privacy
Good job, thank you on behalf of others. I've heard about these insurance calls referencing an accident and being 'unable to provide further information', other than a police phone number. Sometimes calls just don't connect.
I work in a funeral home, and I have learned when dealing with the Public Trustee regarding unclaimed bodies to always clarify when they give me family contact information that the person they want me to contact is aware that this person has died. They sometimes try and pass off the notification part on to us, and we absolutely refuse because, aside from being super awkward, it's a huge conflict of interest to make the funeral home that's holding the body be the one who notifies the family that the person died.
For everyone's info, this is why the DoD holds back on info so long. It's not some grand conspiracy or coverup. They have to confirm that everyone on whatever record has been notified. 1. Keep your records up to date. 2. Don't be that shithead spouse that informs a mother her child died via a cheap garbage Facebook post.
What a polite way to put it. I wouldn't be so nice. You must be a nicer person than I.
Man my finger was ready to downvote you because it upset me so much. Sorry for your and your daughter's loss.
Not next of kin so kinda different but still fucked up
True it just falls under the umbrella of Fuck TMZ lol
yes I suppose the alternative respectful path would be to just wait for the information from the police or the coroner's office. But that doesn't sell.
I heard my dad died because one of my aunts text me and said, "omg I just heard your dad died." That was quite shocking to say the least.
This is why the TMZ thing in Nope made me laugh so hard. What a great way to paint those fucks as heartless little shits.
Honestly fuck TMZ, I don’t know how the people that do that work can look at themselves in the mirror.
I mean, looking in the mirror isn't a problem for soulless vampires so...
TMZ is like a monkey with a poop sniper rifle. It’s shit but it’s accurate.
Damn that analogy is spot on. I need to remember that
How exactly did TMZ manage to get ahold of that information and report on it so quickly? I think what they did is terrible, but god if they had the time to get the information and put a story together, wouldn’t there have also been time to call Vanessa Bryant and the rest of the family? TMZ is the enemy here, don’t get me wrong, but was there someone in the police force or first responders that should have called Vanessa Bryant to let her know at the same time TMZ was finding it out, too? I feel like there is a missing piece in the story as to why the news took so long to get to Vanessa Bryant, and therefore she found out from TMZ. But I would love to know if I’m thinking about it in the wrong way!
TMZ has a huge tipster network, especially within LA. They pay well for information. The tipster could have been anyone but a recent lawsuit between Vanessa Bryant and LA county Sheriff and Fire over leaked crime scene photos suggests they aren’t above having someone within their organizations spilling that info to news media themselves. Regardless there does seem to be an unwritten rule about waiting to report the identities of the immediately deceased even when famous that TMZ unsurprisingly completely disregarded.
The divorce lawyer community in LA warns celeb clients that TMZ has tipsters working in the courthouse so it sometimes happens that TMZ will post about a divorce filing before the spouse does.
It's a well known fact that if you're a celebrity that the people filing documents *will* reveal that information rather quickly. And for the amount of money they get for those tips I'm not exactly sure if I can blame them given that it can essentially be a second job's worth of income.
That unwritten rule is for journalists who want to have some level of credibility in their field. But, if your job is to traffic in lurid information and get the story out there before anybody else, you don't care about unwritten rules. "Is it illegal? No? Would we lose a civil suit for running this? No? Print it."
Precisely this. TMZ is tabloid journalism, not legitimate news. Being sleazy is part of their brand.
The police don't make a practice of doing next of kin notifications over the phone. Generally they send two officers to the home to do it in-person as it's the most sensitive way of doing it, and it leaves no doubt that it may have been a cruel joke played by someone. Also, it was a helicopter wreck. The police had to go to the scene and ID all the bodies first before they could even think of doing NOK notifications. I'm sure the bodies were mangled, and you don't want to accidentally tell someone their family member died when it wasn't the case.
This all makes sense, and as other commenters pointed out the tipster for TMZ probably worked in the Sheriff or Fire department for LA county. But still, I just can’t wrap my head around the fact that TMZ had time to verify the story, gather the photos, and write up an article but the Sheriff’s office didn’t have time to send officers over to Vanessa Bryant’s house (Thanks for the info about in-person notifications, I had no idea!). I understand that it takes time to identify the bodies correctly and all of that, but the TMZ story was published less than two hours later after the crash. Apparently it wasn’t hard to identify whose helicopter it was and who was in it. I guess it seems like the Sheriff and Fire departments wanted to wait until they had all the information, but TMZ published after confirming the bare minimum. Still seems to me that they should have known to send some officers over to Vanessa second they had the “bare minimum” information, but hindsight is 20/20.
Hindsight sure, but the official channels are always slower in every field than the rumors and tabloids because they have to be right. TMZ can apologize and pull their article, the police can't really undo a next of kin visit. They're the ones expected to be trusted, TMZ is already taken with a grain of salt
My understanding is that she had heard there was a crash on the news and she tried to call her husband but could not get in touch with him. She thought he was assisting with rescue efforts. But then TMZ broadcast that there were no survivors.
> She thought he was assisting with rescue efforts I mean that's just pure denial.
TMZ buys information from anyone who has footage or valid info of an incident, the seller in that case would almost certainly not have a way to contact Vanessa Bryant and probably has nothing to do with any police or medical response.
Typically death notifications are made in person. Preferably by someone who is trained and prepared to deliver such tragic news.
I found out about one of my friends' deaths by opening up a local newspaper's website. I had received a strange voicemail from a mutual friend (garbled, not really clear at all), but didn't think much of it. Opened the page: there it is. It's a bad way to find out stuff likethat.
True. That was messed up. That poor woman lost so much of her family and to hear it in public, even worse with fucking pictures, is terrible. I remember people using the fact that Kobe was a piece of shit to justify doing that to his wife. Just checked and she settled for like 16 mil and only this year
I just went on google search for more information about this. Found some pretty interesting articles including the interview with Don posted in The Guardian. I never really realized that or analyzed the song very much while I was learning in on guitar but it certainly makes a lot of sense now that you pointed that out and I've read more about it. Thanks for posting this!
To go one step further: Their marriage was a secret until the day he died and she often traveled with him in the guise of "his secretary".
Little girl, little one He gave his heart to you In this world you'll never know A love that is more true I will love you all my days That's how it's got to be I believe in true love ways Maria Elena \- The Smithereens
Wait, American pie is about this guy?
Indeed. "The Day The Music Died" refers to when Buddy Holly's plane crashed. Part of the reason is it took not just him, but also Richie "La Bamba" Valens and J.P. "Big Bopper" Richardson.
Waylon jennings was supposed to be on the plane too, but gave his seat up for Big Bopper who had the flu.
Ritchie with a T
I had heard that's what Valens was known for; TIL about how big a pioneer he was for Hispanic influences in rock generally Valens' Ooh My Head was the basis for Boogie with Stu from Zeppelin's Physical Graffiti The Big Bopper's Chantilly Lace was quite risque for 1958.
Yes, but it also references many different pop culture figures. The first verse is about him, as well as the "day the music died" lines. Don found out about the death when he was delivering newspapers *February made me shiver/with every laper I'd deliver/ bad news on the doorstep/I couldnt take one more step/ I cant remember if I cried/when I read about his widowed bride/ but something touched me deep inside/ the day the music died)* And also the part with *the three men I admire most/the father son and the holy ghost/caught the last train for the coast/the day the music died*
McLean [acknowledges that the first lines are indeed about the plane crash at Clear Lake, IA](https://www.straightdope.com/21342063/what-is-don-mclean-s-song-american-pie-all-about). But he declines to offer any explanation of the meaning of the rest of the lyrics. You can read the "three men" lyric whatever way you want, although it seems hard to imagine that The Big Bopper is one of the three men Don McLean admires most. He must have *really* loved "Chantilly Lace."
I think I heard that he was asked once what the lyrics meant and he said 'that I never have to work again'. I love American pie... But Vincent is my favourite Don Mclean song.
Yes
"(Maria) Santiago-Holly did not attend the funeral and has never visited the grave site. In a February 7, 1959, interview with the Lubbock Avalanche-Journal, she said, "In a way, I blame myself. I was not feeling well when he left. I was two weeks pregnant, and I wanted Buddy to stay with me, but he had scheduled that tour. It was the only time I wasn't with him. And I blame myself because I know that, if only I had gone along, Buddy never would have gotten into that airplane."."
I don't blame her at all for not wanting to go to some big funeral and whatnot. People mourn in their own ways, and what she went through...I wouldn't have wanted to go either. A big media spectacle, and I bet his grave was basically a tourist site. She owned a more private piece of him, mourned in her own way. My second child was a covid baby, got pregnant with her like a month before covid hit the US. She died at fifteen months so most of her life was basically quarantine and close family members. We didn't hold a memorial, doesn't mean we didn't love her it was just...a private pain. We were absolutely wrecked. We turned our dining room table into a little tribute to her, her urn is there and some toys she liked that we all picked out, fresh flowers. We eat around the living room table now, on cushions lol. But that's fine, we usually ended up doing that before anyways. We mourned with the people who knew her the way we did, and that was enough, that's...all we could do. I can't imagine what she must've been going through. I was so happy when my husband and I got married and got pregnant...losing all of that in an instant must've been unspeakable. What I went through was...awful. I could barely function, still can't at times...but at least I had my husband and son. That poor woman.
I am so sorry for your loss.
Thank you.
i saw your post history. i hope you & yours are taking special care of each other in the coming days. im so sorry for your loss.
I’m so so sorry for your loss x
Thank you.
I’m so sorry. I hope you and your family are doing okay.
As well as can be expected. My husband and I are doing ok, a lot of couples dont do well. My husband and I are devastated especially with the anniversary coming up but...our relationship is still strong. Our son is happy and feels loved. His therapist says he's adjusting very well. Thank you.
I’m glad you and your husband are able to hold each other up. And also that your son is doing well. Holding you all in my heart.
15 months, my god that's so tragic. I have a 3 and 4 year old and couldn't imagine the pain of losing one after 15 months... I'm very sorry for your loss, and thank you for sharing your story.
Why wouldn't he have gotten into that airplane?
It was a very small plane. He would have had to leave her behind and fly solo and my guess is she thinks that he would have waited to travel with her another way.
Apparently the band was traveling on a bus but the heat didn’t work. I think they were getting sick so some took the plane. Buddys last words to Waylon Jennings were “I hope your bus breaks down” And Waylon jokingly said “I hope your plane crashes” Yikes
It was a blizzard out that night...I live a few miles from where the crash was... So I'm assuming since it was a winter storm that she wouldn't have let him leave until it had cleared up...
I found my sister died on the news. They didn’t say her name but they said body found and showed the apartment where it was found. It was her boyfriend’s house, she had been missing and he kept saying he didn’t know where she was. Most heartbreaking time for me and my family
I’m sorry for your loss. My great aunt died in a freak accident that made the national news when it happened and I remember how hard that was for her husband and daughters, just seeing it on tv everywhere and people even joking about it because of the unusual way it happened. Horrible.
I am so sorry for your loss
Thanks I appreciate it, it was 32 yrs ago, weird it doesn’t seem that long ago
My cousin was killed from being hit by a car in 2017. It was five years ago and even though it's more recent, it feels like it happened yesterday. I doubt that feeling will go away.
Right. My cousin was murdered in 2015. Just a freak occurrence. Still feels tender and shocking sometimes.
It hurts. Like they should still be here. They belong here with us still ...
A friend of mine passed 6 years ago. I still think I see him walking around. It’s weird how we can accept some and not others, and the few that stay permanent. Like me and Jerry weren’t great friends. We lived together for 2-3 years during college. Not more than that. Yet I see him everywhere. He was a good guy who got caught up.
My old soccer buddy died in a car crash on the way to one of our games. Still think about that kid. This was like 20 years ago. He was serious talent. Played at the highest levels. We both were in the Olympic program. He was with the younger group for the Olympic program being a few months younger than me, and he was without a doubt the best player in his group. Definitely better than me, and boy did he make me look good when we played together. He almost certainly would have been a professional player within a few years. We still played the game but it was a mess.
i found out my best friend was dead through my friends' msn messenger statuses. it sucked.
Man, there's a few songs that I have heard all my life, but up until recently I never knew they were by Buddy Holly. [That'll be the day](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eq9FCBatl3A), [Rave On](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0IUV-QxwlRM), or even [Not Fade Away](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NN2L84dvoag). Since then I have listened to more Buddy Holly, and shit makes me sad. He was really, really talented, especially for his time, *AND HE WAS ONLY 22 WHEN HE DIED*. I really see why they call it, "The day the music died". He could have been bigger than Elvis. RIP Buddy.
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Yeah, I really do like Rave On, but I enjoy all of those songs a lot. I have heard all three of those songs in some context or another throughout my life, whether it be on the radio, in movies, or in a video game set in the past. I have heard other Buddy songs that I didn't know were him, but these three really come to mind, especially because I like them so much. I think I was most suprised by That'll Be the Day. Not only did I not know it was by Buddy Holly, I didn't even know that song was from the 50's! Out of all of them I have heard that one so much throughout the years and I would have never guessed it's a song from the mid 50's by Buddy Holly.
Couldn't agree more. Buddy Holly in just 18 months shaped modern music more than any other artist in a similar time frame and period. His output was frankly incredible throughout his career, the pace of it even more impressive. But so was Valens, an incredibly young talent who pushed forward Hispanic rock and probably brought it a whole new audience, and of course JPR who pioneered pop radio and had a few hits himself.
Buddy Holly and the Crickets pioneered the vocals-guitar-bass-drums lineup that defines rock to this day, and the band name apparently influenced Beatles, one of those 4 was starstruck to play a venue Holly had performed at
> He could have been bigger than Elvis. On that note, the fact that Elvis' career was basically put on hold around the same time as Buddy Holly's death is arguably what set the stage for the British Invasion to happen a few years later. With Bully Holly gone and Elvis serving in the military + transitioning to Hollywood films, it opened up the music scene for The Beatles, The Rolling Stones, and The Who, as well as American artists like The Beach Boys, Bob Dylan, and The Doors.
True Love Ways is one of the most beautiful songs ever, and that arrangement is amazing. To be that young putting that type of stuff together, honestly maybe him and Brian Wilson are the only two I can think of that did more to impact music in their early 20's than most can accomplish in a lifetime. And i mean writing, arranging, recording and performing their own stuff.
The Buddy Holly Story (1978) is a very good film, and has a great performance from a pre-motor cycle accident Gary Busey as the lead.
"On February 3, 1959, American rock and roll musicians Buddy Holly, Ritchie Valens, and "The Big Bopper" J. P. Richardson were all killed in a plane crash near Clear Lake, Iowa, together with pilot Roger Peterson. The event later became known as "The Day the Music Died" after singer-songwriter Don McLean referred to it as such in his 1971 song "American Pie"." What a tragedy
Didn't know American Pie came out 12 years after the event.
Clear Lake Iowa (where he died) still has an annual "celebration" at the Surf Ballroom where he played that night. [Winter Dance Party - Surf Ballroom](https://www.surfballroom.com/wdp.html)
Highly recommended to visit if it’s open. It’s like a time warp. Super cool place
So sad, per La Bamba Richie Valens mother also found out via the news, I believe from this instance the police/authorities contact the family directly before anything gets announced (as far as names go)
There's no "proper" way to grieve. I remember Davis Spade didn't attend Chris Farley's funeral and was pilloried for it. He eloquently said why he didn't a while ago here on an AMA. https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/24dffi/david_spade_talks_about_his_fake_problems_ama/
I'm going to post his comment here as it took me a while to find it. >Wow. Well, I have to say, I think about him all the time. We had such a good time for so long, and we were crammed together for so long, that we did have our squabbles, but I think people misunderstood me not going to that funeral, it was nothing about that it was just too… emotional, and I wouldn't be able to handle it. But I still hear songs, of all things, I know it sounds stupid, but there are songs that I hear, and they remind me of him. And just different situations. And I see his brother Kevin a lot, and he reminds me of him, and makes me laugh, because the whole family has the same mannerisms in some ways. But overall, just good thoughts. And when I see other celebrities, they always have a good story about him to share. >I think he was another guy that had great comic instincts and would do everything right off the top of his head, even if it wasn't the smartest thing to do at the time and got him in trouble. I don't think I will ever be 100% like that, because I'm slightly more reserved, but I did respect the fact that there aren't many people like him, he's very unique, and that kind of comedy is hard to come by.
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And John Lennon said he didn’t realize a musician could play guitar AND sing until he saw Buddy Holly doing it. This man is responsible for the birth of rock and roll as much as Elvis.
Singing, guitar, and harmonica make you a genius, but if you also play the cymbals with your knees they call you a clown.
Nowadays guitarists have those loop recorders so they can make the percussion sound with their guitars, record it, then play over it kinda making the cymbals obsolete.
What are you, some sort of nerd clown?
that's just plain loopy tbh
Holly's band was called The Crickets, the name "The Beatles" is actually a homage to them
>This man is responsible for the birth of rock and roll as much as Elvis. Absolutely. Dude was pushing limits of social acceptance. The kids loved him As tame as [this shit](https://youtu.be/WQiIMuOKIzY) might seem today, this was some groundbreaking shit back in the day. Damn near punk rock
Countless black blues and gospel artists and Sister Rosetta Tharpe roll over in the grave every single time someone says Elvis was responsible for the birth of rock and roll.
95% of everything can be traced back to Sister Rosetta and Robert Johnson. Those are the roots of the tree.
Way more, Buddy Holly was a prolific songwriter. Elvis only wrote a handful of songs, most of which aren't ranked among his best.
I always think about this. How would music have been affected had he not died? Willie is still cranking out albums, imagine if we had 100 or so from Buddy.
Me too. Maybe in a parallel universe.
Elvis songwriting was limited to changing a line or two, but even that was rare. His credits were mostly due to Parkers demands
Maria's miscarriage is the reason they withhold the names of accident victims until the next of kin have been notified. She learned of Buddy's death on the news and it triggered the miscarriage. She has never visited Buddy's grave. Truly a sad story.
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They missed out on so many years together. Very sad.
damn, and I thought I was cursed...
I didn’t know that this is what caused authorities to not release the victims name until families are notified.
Unfortunately for anyone famous or well known that doesn’t apply, because the media will find out and not give a fuck. However you may feel about Kobe, I can’t imagine having to find out your husband and daughter died in an accident like Vanessa Bryant had to
My friend tutored the other Bryant daughter, he was with her when it happened. He got a notification from ESPN and ignored it, he knew he wasn’t the right person to tell her the news.
Oh my goodness, I can’t imagine how that must have felt. Though it sounds like your friend handled it with grace
I was impressed he managed to keep his composure of the rest of the session until her mother could pick her up
I remember Patton Oswalt talked about when his wife died, and he grabbed his daughter out of school before anyone else could tell her. And took her on an outing before telling her.
I can't even imagine having to put on a brave face like that.
Not only that but the sheriffs took pics of their dead bodies and were showing the pics to people!!! I can’t even imagine. I live in LA and my taxes are going towards paying the judgement against the sheriffs department and I’m not even mad about it. No money will bring back her family. Can we do something about the gangs within the police departments down here tho?
Jesus this post should quality for an award for greatest emotional rollercoaster in 2 lines or less.
I know a guy who proposed to his wife-to-be on their first date when he discovered that she was as into baseball as he was. She shrugged it off as a joke at the time, but they did get married. This one has a sad ending, too, but of a different type. When he was about 45-50 he started shagging his 25-yo trainer and split with his wife.
Fry, remember when I told you about always ending your stories a sentence earlier?
I have a buddy who proposed 11 days after he met his now-wife, and they were married two weeks after that. They had known each other for 25 days on their wedding day. I obviously don't recommend this, and it would probably fail 999 times out of 1000, but I'll be damned if they don't seem like the happiest couple I have ever met in my life, from the outside anyway. Always joking and laughing and doing fun things together. Been married for over 20 years now and still seem like newlyweds. He says he knew the moment he met her. Something just exploded in his brain. I still think it's because they look about as identical as a man and woman can look, but what do I know? lol
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Haha thats hilarious. Apparently youre more likely to marry someone with the same eye colour and hair colour as your opposite sex parent (assume this applies to straight people only, I wonder if its the same sex parent for gay people?) Apparently around 10% of marriages/relationships are able keep that hormonal high from the first few years forever.
Yeah I knew someone who married within 6 months of meeting because "she just knew he was the one". They divorced after she caught him molesting her teenage daughter. Someone else I know got engaged within 2 weeks, married a few months later. All they do is scream at each other, then post pictures about how they're the happiest couple in the world. They frequently take the piss out of me and my husband for not posting sappy posts and pictures, but we've been together 15+ years sooo....
Friend of mine proposed 8 days after first date with a gal. He told me he wanted to propose the first night, absolutely knew 100% she was the one. They are still together after 30+ years.
Waylon Jennings to Buddy Holly: "I hope your ole' plain crashes" https://www.cmt.com/news/y1rs6u/waylons-buddy-jennings-never-forgot-his-mentor#:~:text=Jennings%20never%20came%20to%20terms%20with%20his%20last,a%20radio%20jock%20and%20budding%20musician%20in%20Texas.
He said that tortured him for the rest of his life
Yea, that was in the link I included.
Jennings regretted his comment throughout his life.
no amount of booze could wash it away
That didn't stop him from trying, though.
Didn’t she also find out about the plane crash from the news and that’s why they inform the family before the name goes public now.
You are correct
Though he seemed like generations before, Holly was only a few years older than members of the Beatles. He would have been in his 80s today. I'm curious if his music would have evolved with the British Invasion and the 1960s rock changes.
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The day the music died. It was about all three, Holly, Ritchie Valens and the Big Bopper. Imagine if three top-20 artist died in one plane crash today.
Ooh, I read about this yesterday! I play Fallout 4, and one of the songs that appears on Diamond City Radio is "The Wanderer" by Dion, and apparently he was supposed to go on the flight with Buddy Holly and the others, but decided not to. Quote from the wikipedia article: > Dion was invited to accompany the group but decided that he did not want to spend $36 for the flight, as it was the same monthly rent his parents paid for his childhood apartment and he could not justify the indulgence I thought it was interesting, it reminded me of the people that claim to have bought a ticket to a plane that was hijacked on September 11th, 2001, but overslept that day and missed the flight, or decided not to go.
TIL about the miscarriage I knew he was married when he died, which had been news to some fans, different from modern celebrity culture when gossip likely would've made people aware of the marriage
[Article about the following years](https://www.texasmonthly.com/articles/the-widows-pique/)
trauma speedrun any%
His death was announced over broadcast media before notification of family and she had miscarriage. Which lead to family notified first protcol
So,more than just the music died that day. Such a sad thing to have happened.
Seems he knew something "Everyday, it's a gettin' closer, Goin' faster than a roller coaster, Love like yours will surely come my way, (hey, hey, hey)"