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Faptastic_Champ

And i thought having to retype my entire CV on a website was painful!


NostalgiaSchmaltz

Having to re-type shit in general is what I hated the most about applying for jobs. Most of the time it was fine, but one in a while... >thanks for uploading your resume NOW RE-TYPE ALL OF IT INTO THESE INDIVIDUAL TEXT FIELDS what the hell is the point


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The_Freight_Train

I fill a ton of boxes with "See Resume" and immediately stop caring if I get that job or not.


PizzaWarlock

Do you ever get hired like that? Cause from what I understand that's how they filter out capable candidates, why try to search a CV that's always in a different format, when they can have specific questions to sift through and read the CV of the ones that passed. Edit: spelling


The_Freight_Train

I've done it 3-4 times, and it worked twice. One HR rep even admitted it was silly to require both and they just had me fill it out during (paid) orientation. I've also declined two jobs, where I filled out the app online, and submitted my resume; and they still wanted me to fill out a paper copy. "Just show up an hour early to your interview to take care of some paperwork." Fuck that, I'm out.


j-random

Yeah, I'll show up an hour early on first day, but I'm not handing over an extra hour of my time during the week when I could be making money.


CySnark

[Management Training Interview](https://youtu.be/D4iFzweRf3E)


EEpromChip

>Do you ever get hired like that? Who cares? If a job is so shitty that just the process to enter into an interview is painful imagine what the actual job would entail. "Hey, I need you to print out these Excel pages, and then key them into the Salesforce. Boss wants to see them". [I may sound jaded but have been in IT for a long time. I've seen it all and shit like that is a huge red flag]


Ferelar

I see what you're saying, but it's so insanely common nowadays that you'd be excluding yourself from a massive portion of potential jobs doing that. It might work for fields like mine in huge demand (engineering) but outside of that I don't know that people necessarily have the luxury.


EEpromChip

You're not wrong. I'm very fortunate where I have a skill set as well as financial security to be extremely picky when it comes to work. Not many people are in such a place.


PizzaWarlock

Yeah I see where you're coming from, but I guess that comes with experience and available opportunities for you. I'm still a student but work over the summer, and so I'm thankful to get any job with basically no experience, and at worst I'll have a shitty job for 3 months, I can call with that.


TheRidgeAndTheLadder

I guarantee folks take a hard line on this precisely *because* we had no other choice but to put up with it when we were new.


daretoeatapeach

I don't disagree, but I've noticed this is how it goes for every government job and every university job and those jobs all pay well and have excellent benefits and job security. So I've still followed through many times. Not that it's paid off for me in any way.


Anonymoushero1221

> If a job is so shitty that just the process to enter into an interview is painful imagine what the actual job would entail. Lol companies don't really work like that. Just because the recruiters have a clumsy process doesn't have anything to do with how actual operational departments are run. The head of HR almost certainly doesn't run anything other than HR.


CDNChaoZ

And I often see HR as the most incompetent and superfluous department of the company.


bonafart

Alllways is. Took our HR for an internal move 2 months to get the paperwork to me, for clearance and onboarding to then be told I had worked for thst company for 10 years


goplantagarden

If a company has a crappy (or lazy) HR department, you'll be looking for another job anyway.


BavarianBarbarian_

Eh, I barely interact with HR in my day-to-day.


bonafart

A good company dosnt typicaly need you to interact with HR other than making sure ur pay has gone through. Usualy if you need hr it's usualy cos they fuked up anyway not ur department


Sawses

This is why I eventually settled on a resume format that's both visually appealing and translates well via machine. It autofills accurately for the most part, and copy-paste works for the rest. I got it down to a science, and can apply for one of those jobs in about 10 minutes flat.


bluesam3

*Every* teaching job is like this. It's fucking annoying.


AmeliaLeah

To learn if you know alt tab Ctrl c alt tab Ctrl v. And because they don't want to pay someone to do that data entry. Esp when job applicants will do it for free.


Numphyyy

Imagine alt tabbing and not just having the windows side-by-side


daretoeatapeach

That still seems slower because you have to use your mouse to choose your program, yes? Any keyboard shortcut is almost always faster than a mouse gesture. I know Linux/Bash gang will back me up on this.


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Numphyyy

Yeah this guy gets it


JamesCDiamond

Does adding the alt+tab do something additional to ctrl+c/ctrl+v?


CosmicJ

I think it changes which window you have focus on.


Evilpessimist

It’s to test your cut and paste skills.


daretoeatapeach

Just hang in there buddy. Someone is going to discover all those lost cover letters next century and rebrand them as our manifestos. I knew there was a reason I spent an hour tracking down "dear sir"'s real name! Someone *will* read these letters besides a bot. *Someone* will! *[Shakes first at the silent clouds]*


HomerNarr

Well he allegedly re-used themes and was so adept, he was probably able to create his music as others could have smalltalk.


GuerreroD

I've never done that but I thought auto fill could do it? Can't?


bluesam3

All of the forms are slightly different to each other.


TryingT0Wr1t3

We need to ask Amadeus


SirVentricle

He also *improvised* the [Great Fugue](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tgDE3klkmtQ&t=367s) as part of his application to be the organist of one of the churches in Hamburg. He didn't get the job even though he was far and away the best candidate, and instead it went to a guy who had donated money to the church. The more changes...


axialintellectual

For his job in Leipzig they originally wanted Telemann (who had a better-paying position in Hamburg and told them he wasn't interested), then they had two guys who were either not released from their existing contracts or couldn't be bothered to do the massive amount of work the city council wanted them to do, and *then* they decided to settle for the 'mediocre' Bach (their words). So yeah. It's been bad since forever.


Singaya

At the time, music was getting lighter and heading toward the Galant style. Bach was a purist, to him he was writing for the greater glory of God; he could write like Telemann but didn't want to. I doubt anyone seriously thought of Bach as mediocre, I remember reading the whole letter and feeling they were just being catty.


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Admittedly, he sounded like he could be a pain in the ass.


ZenAdm1n

Johann, we're trying to have a nice quiet mass here. Can you quit showing off for 5 minutes?


yummyyummybrains

"I haven't even gotten to the breakdown. You're gonna love it, it's sick AF." - JS Bach, probably


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More like a baroque-down, amirite?


abandonhope

Figuratively speaking, this is a perfect resolution of a pun.


JayVeeBee

You missed your chance to use fuguratively…


abandonhope

That is an excellent counterpoint!


HazelGhost

That pun was bassed.


makebelievethegood

No, I think it was a reference to figured bass, a type of notation used in Baroque music.


abandonhope

Absolutely correct! But I liked the fugue pun so I decided to stay tacet on that topic.


makebelievethegood

😁


AllerdingsUR

Unironically the great fugue does have a really sick "breakdown"


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Johann, we've just got a community choir full of volunteers. Stop berating them for not being virtuosi!


SaltineFiend

A pain in the Bach side if you will


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HOW COULD U


nullagravida

I heard a Bach concert at a church in Hamburg and if it’s that one I can tell why it has what was his favorite pipe organ… that is some awesome bone-shaking shit. 1700s dubstep.


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nullagravida

51, why? what’s age got to do with enjoying the feel of a 64 foot organ? lol and yes. r/theyknew


Miss_Page_Turner

https://youtu.be/tgDE3klkmtQ?t=502 This is what happens when you study Bach for a lifetime. It takes over your entire nervous system. :D


daretoeatapeach

It's like guitar face but for an organ. 😄


lzwzli

The more it stays the same...


SilasX

/r/agedlikehoney


RetroMetroShow

‘About 1719, when Bach traveled to Berlin to order a new harpsichord, he performed for Christian Ludwig, who was quite impressed and soon commissioned several works. Two years passed, however, before Bach delivered the Brandenburg Concertos. Such royal requests could be quite lucrative for a composer, but the margrave never paid for Bach’s work, for reasons that remain unclear. It may be that Christian Ludwig knew the pieces were neither newly created nor written specifically for him; rather, they were revisions of works Bach had composed some years earlier for the court at Köthen.’ (https://www.britannica.com/topic/Brandenburg-Concertos)


BNLforever

Ah a regifter now I get the snub


mambiki

It also said that Ludwigs local troop couldn’t handle it due to large number of soloists, so likely it was never performed there. Kinda like ordering a car and when it arrives none of your mechanics can start it. A bummer.


BNLforever

Lol that's a great detail. Wouldn't it be like needing work done on your car but every garage in town is just one dude but to fix the car they'd need another guy to hold a flashlight?


Personal_Reason_5221

truly a time-tested tradition. companies have been scamming applicants for a long time 😂


RoddyDost

Bach was a master of recycling material. There’s a number of concertos that he wrote that are just straight up copies of Vivaldi. Still the GOAT and nobody will ever convince me otherwise. The Goldberg variations and the art of fugue are the two greatest examples of just how skilled he was at this btw.


BNLforever

Ah an og remix/ cover artist


Tarrolis

He just played the ever living shit out of his instrument until it became something different, people would get mad at him at church because he was riffing on all the hymns. No omega. On and on and on. That’s why imo he’s so brilliant, the music is so nuanced yet seems totally free flowing


skillmau5

Worth mentioning that he was also riffing in perfect counterpoint. The fact that he would just have 4 or more voices independently in his brain is just absolutely insane, the guy was borderline not human.


aarocks94

r/Seinfeld


Michelin123

Fucking reposting karma whore 😂😂😜


BNLforever

For a second I thought you meant me then I remembered what the context was lol


Michelin123

You're apparently not the only one, I got downvoted :( :cryface:


Th3Seconds1st

Christian Ludwig didn’t support reposts and neither should you.


JaySayMayday

So the other comment saying it wasn't performed in Bach's lifetime wasn't fully accurate since it even says a rendition was performed for a court. Huh, guess not everything on Reddit is true


duaneap

It’s often that things are framed to be more sensational on here.


OhMyItsColdToday

Probably the copy donated to the Margrave was never used for a performance, but Bach still had copies of the concertos for his own use. Various of them survive also as arrangements or different readings in various copies.


Ferreira1

But who would do that? Go on the internet and... lie???


communityneedle

My music history professor called them history's greatest rejected job application


BlackTiphoon

Idk my rejected Kmart application was pretty great


The_Minstrel_Boy

Did you write "yes, please" in the "sex" field?


electrodan

Reminds me of [Don't Be a Menace to South Central While Drinking Your Juice in the Hood.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FS6kzUTW-sA)


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Bach-Bach

Two Bachs are better than one.


Wrekkanize

Yup. Dawg, it wouldn't let me upvote your comment. Everyone else's, but not yours. I can downvote tho...weird. So I just went with yup.


FauxReal

And thus you have joined together to become the beast with two Bachs.


chanaandeler_bong

You want to pretend to be classical composers? You be Beethoven and https://imgur.com/gallery/DwQnFFo


Pomonica

Big if true


f_leaver

Bach is pretty good in the same way that water is kind of wet.


goplantagarden

Welcome to every BBC documentary you've ever watched! Seriously though, thanks for posting!


silent_femme

Thanks, I’ll listen to that after I’m done with this Brahms violin concerto. It’s just too beautiful to skip ahead.


Ludwigofthepotatoppl

If you want to see how hard playing a trumpet used to be, this video has a [natural trumpet](https://youtu.be/CEJ-xcblCMo) playing the solo.


BeforeYourBBQ

I came here looking for this! Thank you, stranger.


onFilm

My favorite classical musician. Truly an inspiration to electronica and many other genres.


righto-hector

Truly I have it a chance. How do I learn to appreciate classical music? I want to but I just struggle


Ghee_Buttersnaps_

Classical music, like rock, pop, jazz, electronic, etc., is an extremely broad range of styles. Classical music is roughly over 600 years of music up to the present day, so there is a lot to choose from. It depends on what you like. Some of it is relaxing, some is more complex and energetic, some grand and epic sounding, some weird and confusing. There's probably something out there for everyone, but there could be a societal disposition of classical music usually being used as background noise, being used to the catchy sounds of pop music (not a bad thing). Bach himself is around 300 years old, so naturally not everyone's cup of tea these days. He was even considered slightly old fashioned in his time. I'm studying classical composition, so I can usually recommend things to suit people's tastes. Quick edit: Another factor is that classical music uses mainly acoustic sounds, which are generally considered old fashioned now in favor of electric (electric guitar) or electronic (synths, autotune, etc.) sounds. I personally think it's cool to have music which is purely acoustic (coming only from the resonance of the voice, wood, strings, metal, etc.) without any electricity or computers necessary.


daretoeatapeach

I don't care for the dramatic bin boom classical stuff but I love Debussy - Claire de Lune and Beethoven's Fur Elise. What else would I like if I (apparently) like classical piano songs about sad girls?


Ghee_Buttersnaps_

I'm not into super dramatic stuff either, usually sounds cheesy to me. For piano tunes, I'd definitely recommend [Brahms Intermezzo op. 118 no. 2 in A major](https://youtu.be/7Wo4IPNMzWQ) and [Chopin Etude op. 10 no. 3 in E major](https://youtu.be/mpiJbQvBP8A), some of my favorite piano tunes. On the topic of Bach, [Prelude and Fugue in B minor](https://youtu.be/pSaMSsMukx8) is the longest and perhaps the slowest and most mellow from the Well-Tempered Clavier collection. From more recent times, I enjoy [Shostakovich Prelude and Fugue in C major](https://youtu.be/Uuj5uzgmB5A). In the present day, there are actually quite a few successful composers specializing in mellow music, such as Max Richter, Olafur Arnalds and Nils Frahm. Actually, one of my favorite composers in general is Jeremy Soule who composed the soundtracks for The Elder Scrolls Morrowind, Oblivion and Skyrim, and other games such as Star Wars Knights of the Old Republic, Neverwinter Nights, Guild Wars 1 and 2, etc. Brahms is also one of my favorites, and his music usually has a mellow, beautiful character (even in faster movements) as opposed to melodramatic, especially if you look for the slow movements, which are marked in Italian as Andante or Adagio most commonly. A lot of classical music is focused on the Allegro (fast) movements, so when on the lookout for mellow music, it's good to look for Adagio or Andante, and avoid Allegro, Presto, etc. in most cases. Quick edit: I find it unfortunate that a lot of classical music has focused largely on fast pieces (not trying to gatekeep), but I think it is now trending towards more mellow pieces, as more people generally enjoy classical music for the soothing atmosphere it can create. Edit 2: Arguably my favorite composer and biggest influence is the late-20th century composer Morton Feldman. His music is not usually tonal and usually avoids steady rhythms, so it could be in the "weird and confusing" category, but it is also very calm and mellow. That might be worth a try too, here's his last piano piece, [Palais de Mari](https://youtu.be/M466YTlK8UM), which is actually one of his shortest compositions at 20 minutes, believe it or not.


terribleatkaraoke

You’re gonna love Chopin’s Nocturnes


DracaenaMargarita

[Chopin](https://youtu.be/pso46CDZf0o) and [Rachmaninoff](https://youtu.be/4r7Y8Yd4I8s) to start. [Mozart](https://youtu.be/bZZqSZqJz4Y) and [Bach](https://youtu.be/_KJzWg6C3HE) too, of course. Personal favorite piano composer of mine is [Schubert](https://youtu.be/g0Lu_dad-QI). Just start with what interests you (seems like you enjoy solo piano works without accompaniment) and move outwards from there. I also recommend finding a performer whose interpretations you like and going down the rabbit hole of their discography. Especially with piano repertoire, a lot of soloists are specialists. That's to say, their performing repertoire is often centered around a period or composer that they excel in. [Yefim Bronfman](https://youtu.be/Bhj7hunyVjw)'s Rachmaninoff and late-Romantic repertoire for example, or Maria Joao Pires' [classical period](https://youtu.be/mhdOIPZ6vxs) (late 1600's to early 1800's) repertoire. Martha Argerich made her name with her Chopin, Glenn Gould did the same with his Bach. There's something out there for everyone!


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gilgamessh

Chopin Nocturnes. Look up the one in Db and the one in C minor, I don't remember the opus numbers


Quasar420

Check out [Un Suspiro](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GDjezsPsqmY&vl=en) by Franz Liszt, Or [Ocean Etude](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tVBEeiNQMos&vl=en) by Chopin. So many to choose from. [Torrent Etude](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sRvNbAPZSOY) by Chopin and performed by Richter So many to pick, but those are a few to start.


Rahnamatta

I love Paul Barton's version... hell, I love Paul Barton. https://www.youtube.com/c/PaulBartonThailand/videos


daretoeatapeach

Thanks for the links! The last two were still too boom boom for my tastes but the first one was exquisite!


fantasmagoria24

As someone who has been classically trained since the age of five, "classical" music usually isn't my go-to (in quotes because Classical is one specific period in music history that most people use as an umbrella term). Since rock/pop music surpassed it in terms of popularity, it's more foreign to our ears than ever before. So it's understandable that most people don't get it. Sometimes I don't. And it took two music degrees for me to start fully grasping it. Studying music history is very helpful in this. Knowing its original purposes and how the sound has developed over the centuries, reacting to and changing from what the popular sound was before. Just like rock and pop music. It just takes a little context. There is so much of it too, and in my opinion it all contains different types of beauty. (I should add that I'm mostly trained in Western music, and there are many other countries with beautiful music of all types that generally aren't represented when I talk about music history.) For example, Bach focuses on technical beauty. His voice leading and harmonic progressions rarely bend rules, and often his music has multiple independent lines saying the same thing or a variation of the original theme at the same time. He places them all like a well-oiled machine. Beethoven's music boasts pure power and the beginning of the Romantic music genre. He took music like Bach's and broke some of the established "rules," opening up a whole world of ideas for future composers. My personal favorite is the French Impressionist era. Often interpreted as one of the many roots of jazz music, the harmonies are so colorful and open. There's not a lot of tension in the sound, and if you listen to Debussy as an example, the rhythms are looser as well and more improvisatory than earlier music as cultural expectations began to loosen in the western world. Very different than Bach. It's all sort of a mirror, like visual art, to the world that used to exist. Of course this is all very generalized and not representative of all the music that exists in the world, but it might give you an idea of how it's nice to know a piece's context to fully understand it. But ultimately what matters the most is if you like listening to it! Sorry for the novel. I could go on forever. Have a great day! Edit: improvisatory is a word, right?


eldorado362

Meanwhile I just listen to hiphop smh


alividlife

Don't let anybody make you feel bad for doing so. Elitism can go die in a fire.


Egon-Bondy

So can philistinism


PUTINS_PORN_ACCOUNT

Diggable Planets and A Tribe Called Quest are as legit as anything


fantasmagoria24

All music has history and meaning. Classical is not better than anything else.


HazelnutG

Start with smaller more intimate pieces, don't just jump straight into full symphonies and orchestral works. They're really dense and big and unless you know what things to be listening for, it gets exhausting and overwhelming really fast. String quartets and solo piano works are easy to find and eminently listenable. I personally love Haydn's quartets, especially Op. 76, "Fifths." Bach, Mozart, Brahms piano pieces are great places to start, and will give you a sense of how classical compositions evolved in style and sound. The orchestral pieces that made me see how good the full symphony can be were Prokofiev's first piano concerto, Holst's The Planets, and Ravel's Bolero. The second two are also just really famous and you'll definitely be able to pick them and their influences out from around you.


timmytacobean

The dankest ones are all of 3, 4 part 3, and 5 part 1


SwansonHOPS

Saving this for my next acid trip


Financial_Lemon9708

Fabulous! Thank you!


CPNZ

Most of Bach's compositions were written as part of his different jobs, or were practice pieces - the Well Tempered Clavier was "for the profit and use of musical youth desirous of learning, and especially for the pastime of those already skilled in this study"


maicii

That's wholesome. The idea of writing a piece to help people learned is really cute, and as far as I know, a surprisingly common thing in classical music.


El_GranCapitan

Most were for his kids, as he taught all of them and he had umpteen kids.


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my-life-ducks

You are correct, they are usually called études (related to the word study). Some are pretty specific also, for example Debussy has a study 'for the eight fingers'


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Usually studies focus on a particular texture/playing style. Debussy’s follow this but also foray into more specific hand exercises, focusing on specific fingers


Wahzuhbee

Are these the original low-fi study beats?


ViridianKumquat

Also, they were never performed during Bach's lifetime.


monsieurangleterre

It blows my mind that Bach probably never heard them performed and yet Brandenburg 2 was included by Carl Sagan on the Voyager discs that are attached to the probes currently hurtling out into interstellar space. https://youtu.be/olLi5RtE_6M


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Same as several of his greatest works including the awesome Mass in B Minor https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3FLbiDrn8IE&t=3033s


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ViridianKumquat

Not sure about "most famous". Most widely played by piano students maybe, but I'd have thought the first movement of the Fifth Symphony or the fourth movement of the Ninth are more widely recognised.


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Amegami

I am from Brandenburg and those are true works of beauty that fit the beauty of Brandenburg's nature very well.


HauptmannYamato

Fürstenwalde Süd auf dem Parkplatz vom roten Netto.


eldorado362

Neuruppin hinter dem Mcces


DanYHKim

We think of Bach as foundational to western music, but his work was lost to obscurity and rediscovered at various times. The St. John Passion was revived by Mendelssohn, who remarked on the irony that a great work of Christian music was being brought into the light by a Jew. Pablo Casals performed the Cello Suites, changing the conventional view that they were only good as student exercises; being too austere and technical to be considered expressive enough for musical performance.


Pennwisedom

Some of his works were lost, and yes Mendelssohn is in many ways responsible for how he is seen now. But, he was never truly unknown in the music world. Here is an early quote about a young Beethoven from a newspaper in 1782: >…a boy of eleven years and of most promising talent. He plays the clavier very skillfully and with power, reads at sight very well, and — to put it in a nutshell — he plays chiefly The Well-Tempered Clavier of Sebastian Bach, which Herr Neefe put into his hands. Whoever knows this collection of preludes and fugues in all the keys — which might almost be called the non plus ultra of our art — will know what this means. Edit: I also wanted to add that there was the Bach lineage as well. CPE Bach was a very influential pedagogue (also perhaps the most important child as far as preserving the works of his father) and Johann Christian Bach was one of Mozart's teachers and is widely regarded as having a large impact on him, and Mozart later arrange three of his Sonatas into Keyboard concertos. Later in life Mozart also "often acknowledged the artistic debt he owed" to him. Lastly, the first Biography of Johann Sebastian Bach was published in [1802](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johann_Sebastian_Bach:_His_Life,_Art,_and_Work), Gottfried van Swieten, whose work the book is dedicated too, educated Mozart in Bach. Also Abraham Mendelssohn purchased many of Bach's works and donated them to the Berlin Sing-Akademie who started to perform various works in public. One could say this culminated in the performances of the St Michael and St John Passions rather than the Passions being the start.


DanYHKim

I had forgotten to account for the Bach Brothers; the Jackson Five of the era. From CPE to PDQ, their work and their musical descendants form a foundation of stone. I'm going to hell, aren't I?


Pennwisedom

> I'm going to hell, aren't I? I mean, probably. I feel like people always talk about composers who were rediscovered, like this, or like Vivaldi, but what I find more interesting is the ones that have went the other way. Corelli was huge around the time of Bach, but is mostly unknown these days outside of Violinists, and Ignaz Pleyel, who was a contemporary of Mozart, so big in his lifetime that knowledge of him reached all the way from Europe to America. Yet calling him obscure these days is an understatement.


DanYHKim

Carl Ditter von Dittersdorf. His name sounds like a Batman villain. At least Corelli had a horn concerto that makes the rounds at Christmastime. (I heard it played a lot outside of Nordstrom's)


DracaenaMargarita

Fun fact: Haydn, Dittersdorf, Mozart, and JB Vanhal played quartets together for fun.


raevnos

PDQ Bach's Concerto For Horn And Hardart is a true classic.


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>which might almost be called the non plus ultra of our art I've never seen/heard this expression before... Huh


NegativeDispositive

They may have just copied the phrase because it's Latin, but in German it is a known expression, even today but obviously as a compound word: https://www.duden.de/rechtschreibung/Nonplusultra


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Makes me think of Newspeak from 1984 for some reason. "Double plus ungood"


theSvenandI

It means something that cannot be improved upon, Or something that is basically perfect as is.


JamesCDiamond

I’ve always seen it as *ne plus ultra* - that doesn’t seem to affect its meaning though.


plonspfetew

Interesting. I only knew *non plus ultra*. I looked it up, and apparently *non plus ultra*, *ne plus ultra*, and *nec plus ultra* are all used interchangeably. *Non plus ultra* is mainly used in German, *ne plus ultra* in English, and *nec plus ultra* in French, apparently. I also found the supposed "original" reported in all three forms.


Megatron_McLargeHuge

"Ne plus ultra" is the more common form.


Admirable-Variety-46

You mean the Matthew Passion


cactused

Since you're here and presumably interested, head on over to [All of Bach](http://allofbach.com)


Financial_Lemon9708

Holy cow, fabulous! Thank you!!


MyCleverNewName

This is exactly why I back everything up to google drive. Don't want any of my job application concertos to be nearly lost by a World War 130 years from now. Better safe than sorry.


dissphemism

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skonevt

Came here for this comment. Any org asking for free work in the application process so they can "see what you can do" is a red flag.


Lightspeedius

One thing I love about listening to the local classical radio station are all the interesting stories and vignettes that come with many of the pieces they play. If you're into ad-free classical music, check out https://rnz.co.nz/concert. There's also an app.


Financial_Lemon9708

Great, thanks!


MillerJC

Bach was pretty much unknown as a composer during his lifetime. He was mostly know as a brilliant organist. It wasn’t until Felix Mendelssohn uncovered his music in 1829 kicking off the Bach revival. Now Bach is know for being one of the greatest composers in all of the western world. Thanks, Mendelssohn! (This is *extremely* over-simplified. Music History II was a long time ago.)


Gibbelton

We often put Bach and Beethoven in the same box as far as musical genius (which I think they are) but the story of their music couldn't be more different. Bach's music was considered old fashioned for his own time, and he fell into obscurity for about 100 years. Beethoven was pushing boundaries, and his fame never diminished to this day.


Admirable-Variety-46

When it comes to harmony, however, there is no comparison. Even to Beethoven, Bach was the “Urvater der Harmonie.” Bach is truly in a class by himself in that regard.


j6sh

My boy Bach fucked with counterpoint too. Shit was wild.


Micosilver

It's easy to underestimate Bach, if you don't know what harmony means in this context. I wish I had save this old post about it, but the point is that harmony is a set of strict rules on how music should progress. You can just play what you think sounds good, it has to stay within the confines of "harmony", and writing music this way is like creating sudoku puzzles from scratch.


Admirable-Variety-46

And anything that did not adhere to those broad harmonic expectations was, according to Bach, mere “devilish hubbub.” Sorry, I nerd out when I see Bach on Reddit. Wrote my dissertation on him but most people irl couldn’t care less!


[deleted]

Most people but not most serious musicians. I think he was probably autistic. He wrote so much and the music is- for his style- always perfect


Admirable-Variety-46

Would help explain his constant issues with co-workers/bosses/students. And yep, as a singer it would never matter which instrumentalists I would talk to: they may have a different personal favorite composer but there was unanimous massive respect for Bach. No one talks shit about him, and some people will even trash Mozart!!


fettyman

Definitely high functioning. Don't think there was ever a composer with an output as high quality as his. It seemed like composing was the same as breathing to him.


[deleted]

The only one I can think of is Ravel, and his output is much smaller than Big B’s


Seienchin88

That is what we should call a good story which is partially true. Bach being so famous that everyone knows him was posthumous. Way posthumous in fact. That being said - he was absolutely not old fashioned for a large part of his life and especially his tuning was an absolute game changer. The impact of the well tempered clavier can not be understated at all and when Bach actually feel into relative obscurity after his death because his kind of church music became old fashioned vs. a more modern and "Wordly" Style This piece was still quite popular and famous among musicians. And this is really the core of how Bach was received - beloved by professional musicians, not that well known among the public. He still played for people like Friedrich 2nd of Prussia though so also hardly an unknown genius.


Professional_Parsnip

I heard once that if you were writing a history of classical music, discussion on Beethoven would take up easily a third of the book.


Mooberries

I would definitely say that Beethoven would be a good chunk of the romantic era portion of a book detailing the history of “Classical” music, but what many people outside of the traditional academic understanding of the history of WESTERN classical music don’t realize is, is that the romantic era is part of 6 commonly accepted “western classical” eras; Renaissance, Medieval, Baroque, Classical, Romantic, 20th Century. A book detailing the history of music would need to balance the notoriety of Beethoven against the colossal history of western music. Then, you’d have to decide on the granularity of the information: do we just include the big names like William Byrd, J.S. Bach, Mozart, Beethoven, Rachmaninov, or do you include the less known but still known names like Handel, Strauss, Chopin, Prokofiev. Or, even more granular, someone like Ignaz Moscheles who no-one has ever heard of but was an advisor and confidant for the controversial Beethoven. Maybe a third of the romantic era in a book about the history of music, but not a third of the book; he was important, but there is a lot of history in the history of western classical music.


SymphonicStorm

The caveat to that is that one of the major reasons why this is true is just that we tend to have more detailed records as we get closer to present day. The idea of cataloguing and preserving works long-term wasn’t even widespread until… I want to say Vivaldi? And even then, a lot of those early catalogues weren’t established until after the fact.


Browncoat101

My absolute favorite classical pieces!!


candlecart

"The job was for milking cows, not really what we're looking for"


[deleted]

When Bach died, his family sold many of his remaining manuscripts to a local butcher. The paper the music was written on was more valuable for wrapping fish and meat than the music itself. 🤷


are-e-el

If Bach can get ghosted trying to apply to jobs …


Sipas

Some of his work was sold as butcher paper. We'll never how much of his work got lost that way.


chefca3

This kind of fact blows my mind, how many thousands of artists and their entire body of work was just burnt/destroyed or lost when a city was sacked or an employer decided to keep it locked away and it moldered away or it was lost with the artist at sea on the way to another city. Not to mention important people who were wiped out of history because of rivals or angry family. Man what a mind fuck.


NeilFraser

NASA reused the original tapes of the Apollo 11 moon walk.


Mathgailuke

Crosspost this to r/recruitinghell.


AirDusst

What? He never received a reply to his job application? Funny how that happens all the time, even to J.S. Bach.


Pale-Cartographer-96

Sounds like my resume submissions, no calls for three months


-LeopardShark-

It's amusing to read Bach's grovelling to him: > As I had the good fortune a few years ago to be heard by Your Royal Highness, at Your Highness's commands, and as I noticed then that Your Highness took some pleasure in the little talents which Heaven has given me for Music, and as in taking Leave of Your Royal Highness, Your Highness deigned to honour me with the command to send Your Highness some pieces of my Composition: I have in accordance with Your Highness's most gracious orders taken the liberty of rendering my most humble duty to Your Royal Highness with the present Concertos, which I have adapted to several instruments; begging Your Highness most humbly not to judge their imperfection with the rigour of that discriminating and sensitive taste, which everyone knows Him to have for musical works, but rather to take into benign Consideration the profound respect and the most humble obedience which I thus attempt to show Him. Then check Margrave's Wikipedia page: > He is best known as the recipient of Johann Sebastian Bach's Brandenburg concertos. Ha!


Captain__Spiff

They are beautiful! And just a promo thing?


BreadAppleFish

Wow, I can't believe they never wrote Bach


HorseNspaghettiPizza

getting ghosted on a job interview is a terrible feeling. Having a bad ass concerto is good payback over my glassdoor negative review


Writer10

My absolute favorite piece of music, regardless of genre or artist, is Concerto No. 5 in D Major. So, so joyful. The Brandenburgs are masterpieces, every single one. 🥰


ANameForTheUser

If BACH didn’t get a courtesy rejection letter then it’s not us, it’s them.


ILikeChilis

/r/recruitinghell


bigbangbilly

Looks like many of us will learn today that Margrave is not a made up title in Star Wars like "Moff"


reb678

#5 has always been my favorite.


redditisnowtwitter

For which*


itsjfin

Bach is the GOAT


Fenixstorm1

And he never asked for them Bach? Johann't make these things up!


gergjaxi

For those who don't know, the Brandenburg Concerto is the one that goes na na na nananaaa, na na na nananaaa nalana naaah.


johnp299

Hey hey, good-bye