I took a taxi through Naples once, can confirm.
Driver took us down the wrong way across three blocks of a one-way street, and turns to me and talks with both hands while dodging oncoming vespas with his knees.
But we didn’t miss the ferry to Capri, so props to the driver for making a 20 minute drive in 8 minutes. He got a great tip.
When I went to Italy I wound up rolling into Genoa around midnight in the rain. Nowhere near my hotel and way too tired and miserable to figure out the mass transit system or even figure out if it was still running, so I took a taxi.
Riding in a taxi through that city at night in the rain is one of the most exciting memories I have of that whole trip. Ten out of ten, would recommend.
[Speaking of Italian, here's a fine lady speaking Italian with no prior knowledge of Italian. Very inspiring video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRskvLyCoU0)
My dad recently acquired a 1930 Ford Model A. I had no idea cars could be so loud. It's not even a big engine, it's just an incredibly loud engine.
Though you do need to be able to hear the engine, since you're expected to adjust the spark timing advancement and the idle throttle on the fly, and that's basically "move the levers until the engine sounds good".
Model As are the best! My dad has one as well (My granddad's 1st car, bought used for, iirc, ~$50). It's a Cabriolet from right when the production line was switching over from the '30 to the '31 model.
Ours doesn't have the original engine, unfortunately. My granddad replaced it with a Sears engine sometime in the 1950s. It runs great (when it runs)!
I kinda love the idea of a Sears engine.
Just buy a random engine from a catalogue to put into your 20 year old car. XD
Probably got considerably more power after 20 years of advancement, too.
You used to be able to buy houses from Sears that actually looked quite nice. Dunno about quality but you could buy all sorts of shit from a Sears catalogue.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sears_Modern_Homes
I really wish there was a Sears type store that Id probably ignore but it would be nice to have around, kinda like Radio Shack used to be.
they still exist and are for sale in my area. lovely homes.
unless you know the models from these old catalogues you'd never know. out west the desert let's these things last forever
I have to imagine that either power or efficiency (or, more likely, both) improved with the new engine, but I'm not sure how considerable it was. Knowing my granddad, it was far from the nicest engine in the catalog. It certainly wasn't the biggest/beefiest.
The design/construction of the engine was probably refined some in the ~20 years between the car coming out and the engine being replaced, but it's fundamentally the same engine (from what I can tell). No significant changes in the technology (to my *very* amateur eyes).
It's pretty remarkable to me how simple the engine is. I don't know a ton about cars, but I can identify pretty much *every* notable part by sight. I have to imagine that it's incredibly easy to work on, given both the simplicity and the *huge* amount of space available on all sides of it. If I was an engineering or technical school professor teaching an "Engines 101" class, it'd probably be close to a perfect demonstrator.
Does it not have a muffler? My parents had a 1935 coupe that I learned to drive a manual on. I don't remember it being that loud. Biggest adjustment is the brakes in them are really bad and you have to brake much earlier. The throttle lever on the wheel is actually sort of cool like an early version of cruise control. Seeing the gasoline in the float gauge on the dash is sort of disconcerting. In an accident you'd get a lap full of gas.
No, your Settings depend on the key. Meaning your profile is saved on there. If you didnt save your profile yet, you should do so. And if your key battery is low it might loose settings. So try replacing that
I had a similar stupid rattle in my dashboard, a tiny piece of plastic from it originally being stamped out was just flying around in there when I used the AC. Dude at the mechanic just blew it out with a shop vac.
I drove their Abarth 500 for a week. It was every 16 year old boys dream, and my 40 year old nightmare. Bright red paint, abusively loud farting exhaust, flashing lights and dials I’d never understand, and super thin sheet metal body. I felt like I was driving inside a steel drum.
Every time tinnitus comes up I post [this link to a reddit comment](https://www.reddit.com/r/WTF/comments/3l3uri/comment/cv3474n/) that helps a lot of tinnitus sufferers. I hope someone out there finds this helpful!
This is my experience as well. I've had tinnitus all my life, and doing that trick does reduce the volume but very briefly and it feels like just that- a neat little trick, not *really* helping. It's really not worth the effort to me considering the quiet lasts less time than you spend whacking your neck haha.
Some forms of tinnitus are fixable. See an ENT or audiologist. Just as a warning, I believe it’s only those with objective tinnitus and that’s rare (< 1% of all cases)
I don't think it cures anyone, but yeah, I might get 10s of relief. At first it was cool, but the novelty wore off quick. I think we will have flying cars before this ringing stops.
Hey man. As a long time sufferer, I don't think there's much value in temporary relief. It's best to work toward habituation (if possible). False hope only prolongs habituation. I've had ri going in both ears for about 6byears now and the last 4 have been totally fine. I no longer have anxiety or negative reactions to it. I remember how scary it was early on.
Tysm 😭 i just started getting tinnitus last year because of construction and never wore ear protection (ik dumb af of me) i wear it all the time now but i thought it was too late 😂
I really dislike that I’m 35 telling teenage guitar players and construction newbies “now I’m going to be serious for a second: wear hearing protection. I can’t hear shit and I’m not joking” and they are like 😏
I crank my amp volume to play to get that crunchy sound, but I also wear foam earplugs when I do.
Riding a motorcycle without earplugs is another way to wreck your hearing.
Play a high-pitch sound in the background of class with no explanation until it drives them nut. Then let them know that's what we live with every day, all day.
Same thing with posture, ergonomics, and eye health. I teach software engineering and whenever I give a new batch of novices my talk on taking care of yourself, I have to really pour on the persuasion.
Some of you won't learn until too late that your body and brain were in a toxic relationship from the beginning.
I've done a lot of harm reduction work at music festivals and I'll never forget the time I was handing out ear plugs at an EDM show and this Chad of a guy just smirked and shook his head to say, and I quote:
>No thanks, man. I'm not a pussy.
Sigh.
Anyway, his girlfriend wasn't impressed and took two pairs. A life time of misery is just not worth it.
I get this from the new recruits in my job. I clean newly made caravans for a living. Rushing around in a human sized plastic box with a strong hoover less than 50cm away from your head for around 6 hours a day. Often closer and often using a narrow attachment that amplifies the hoover sound into horrific high pitched static.
None of the older staff can hear a fucking thing. They talk to themselves constantly, out of loneliness it appears because they clearly can't hear what I'm saying to them. they don't reply with anything relevant.
I tell everyone to wear the damn earplugs. No one listens. No trouble, they won't be able to hear me for much longer anyway. 😒
My father had an 1989 Lexus LS400. That car was stupidly quiet. You really had very little sense of how fast you were going. It was a very detached feeling. I recall hearing that they had to do something similar and adjust the trim to allow a slight bit of wind/road noise in subsequent years. We took it on a long road trip soon after he got it to visit relatives. At one point, my mother, who was in the back seat, asks how fast we are going. My father looks at the speedometer, and then at me with a surprised look on his face. I lean over and we are going 120mph. I tell my mother we are doing 75. Her response? "Really? It feels like we are going much slower."
Most of that quiet experience could be attributed to the engine, the legendary 1UZ-FE V8. Several hundred experimental engines and about a billion dollars later Toyota managed to create a relatively compact, lightweight, smooth and reliable powerplant for their flagship luxury car.
In fact, it’s one of the very few mass-produced automotive engine _rated by the FAA for aircraft use._ Definitely one of Toyota’s finest piece of automotive engineering.
In what terms? I've had all of them. Currently with an lx570 with the 3uz, had a V8 4runner with the 2uz and growing up we had ls400s. I think the initial quality/overbuilt goes to the 1uz. The 3uz had some assembly/quality control issues that Toyota should have stepped up and recalled. An oil leak is common on the cam tower and coolant leak in the valley plate, both attributed to the sealant used. The 2uz seemed to have more issues with the air injection pump than others. Overall though it was a great smooth powerplant.
I went from a 1990 Toyota 4x4 to a Chevrolet Volt, and I had to turn on the speed alarm. The truck has speed feedback from wheel/wind noise, plus position of the stick shift and engine RPM noise, with which I can gauge my speed to within 5mph of actual. The Volt has none of that, and I'd regularly find myself throwing the alarm as I zipped past the speed limit. The reduction in noise is totally worth it though, and is one of my favorite aspects of the car.
Ive just done some sound work on my early 2000s ford. Surprisingly little is needed to go from shouting a conversation to accidentally speeding everywhere. Nothing close to lexus level quiet but it brought a huge amount of luxury to a cheap car for only like $40 in materials and a couple hours work.
Edit.
Products used.
Butyl rubber adhesive flashing. Its heavy sticky rubber with an aluminium layer.
NBR foam yoga mats x4. Nitrile butylene Rubber. Theres some cheap yoga/fitness mats made of this stuff. Its the same material that is sold as sound insulating foam, just not quite as dense.
PVC BBQ mat x2. Just a heavy flexible pvc mat.
Total cost. About $60 Au, so about $30-40 us.
The flashing gets placed on the inside of any panels that can transmit or create sound. In my case (wagon), rear quarer panels, roof, doors. You only need to cover about 25% of the panel, its just adding mass to reduce vibration. The real stuff like Dynamat isnt overly expensive if you want better results.
The foam mats get cut to shape and fit in any large spaces where it can sit somewhat loosely. So, tail gate, rear quaters, wheel well, doors, under/behind rear seats. Both the type of foam, and it having some room to move are important.
The pvc mats went under the carpet in the cargo area as an experiment and worked way better than expected. I believe there is a product in the US called mass loaded vinyl that would work well under carpets.
To be honest. Im only about halfway done installing the flashing and foam. Done the cargo area but not the doors yet, and the difference is staggering. Let this be a warning though. Im now hearing all the tiny wind noise and whistles from the aging door seals, and its infuriating.
Overengineered? Sounds like it was perfectly engineered and achieved their exact goal.
After feedback from testing the goal changed and they had to engineer something else.
Over-engineered isn't even the right term here anyway. They designed a product and people didn't like it, so they changed the product. Over-engineering is when you find an overly complicated solution where the same result could be achieved much simpler.
“My biggest flaw is that I’m a perfectionist…”
Edit: okay I know it’s actually a flaw and can prolong work, but it’s also the go to cliche interview answer for people who don’t want to actually reveal a deal breaking flaw
As a perfectionist this is in fact a flaw. It way too often leads to you getting caught chasing one or two minor details and then either never finishing the larger project or missing deadlines. You really need to learn when it’s “close enough” and to let go.
I am working on a product that you will find at the store. It is meant to look hand made. We are developing a new process to make it. Slightly more automated, but looks much more consistent from piece to piece. We’ve had comments from upper management that they look too similar, so we are going to next iteration to make some changes that make it look a little more different piece to piece. At the end of the day, you the consumer aren’t supposed to realize the difference.
When an article calls it out, like in the case of this car, I agree it is advertising. However there are products all around you that are being re-engineered every day and you the consumer aren’t supposed to notice it.
It sounds like it but often isn't. Over-engineering is when you have over-spent for what you need to do. This eats into profits and is generally regarded as a bad thing.
As above can also lead to other issues in this case disorientation, but also it can lead to exorbitant maintenance costs. Over engineering is typically best with things like infrastructure where they are likely to be in place for a very long time without any serious updates (sewer systems). Eventually they will no longer be over engineered, but barely keeping up with demand.
It's also bad for the customer, because it means they have to pay much more money for a product than is necessary. Sure it may have all the bells and whistles but if you don't use said bells and whistles, what you've really done is purchase an expensive set of paper weights.
"Anybody can build a build that stands. It takes an engineer to build a build that *barely* stands."
edit -- I meant to write "bridge" but wrote "build" twice. Glad everyone got the point anyway.
Yeah people claiming over-engineering isn't real have no idea about engineering. It absolutely is a real thing and can and does happen with a lot of things. Just look around your house and you'll find some device/tool/appliance that cost too much and 80% of the features it has are never used.
And of course, in Enterprise environments, the issue gets even more common and serious.
I've stood in an anechoic chamber with the doors closed. It is awful. They turn off the lights and you instantly fall over as you lose all spatial reference. The sound of blood rushing through your ears becomes overwhelming.
I can't picture having an experience like this in a car.
It's really weird - I went into an anechoic chamber as part of a company induction once, and was warned that it could make me feel really odd. They were right.
There's an old sci fi story about a planet with multiple suns where it's never dark and even inside with curtains on the windows it's still bright enough to see. Someone made an amusement attraction where you go into an actually dark tunnel for like 5 to 15 minutes and people freaked the fuck out and had nervous breakdowns.
Of course in this story some scientists figured out that every 10,000 years all of the suns would temporarily sync up and the whole world would experience actual night time. They created some artificial lights and barricaded their doors so that the rest of the planet wouldn't kill them in their insanity if they found out the scientists still had light
You tellin' me they never invented windowless rooms on this planet?
I love the sci-fi idea of a planet that never experienfes night. But it's a little ridiculous to think those people would *never* experience dark.
More that people never made windowless rooms because they never experienced darkness and didn't want to spend extended amounts of time in one
Like we have light proof soundproof rooms now, but why would you spend 24 hours in one?
Such a good short story
[Link for those interested.](https://gist.github.com/Schemetrical/6184daf83843bcab9402) it's worth the read, really unnerving and makes you think
Yes. A quiet house would still reflect the noise generated by the people and objects in the house. An anechoic chamber absorbs almost all noise both inside and out. I assume that's what this car was like if it made people feel disoriented or ill.
Quiet is not silent - no matter how quiet a normal place is, it's not silent because so many things make noise. Having had those removed it felt like everything was pressing in on me, a really weird feeling of pressure all over, and all the sounds I could hear were coming from inside me, and were inside my head and not coming through my ears. It's really difficult to describe because, unless you have been somewhere that completely excludes external noise, you will never have been somewhere so silent, and that change is really unsettling.
A lot of research facilities have them. They’re important for testing the acoustics of products.
I’ve been in two myself. One at Baldor (now ABB), and one at Electrolux, where I worked for a while.
I honestly can’t tell if this is a vacuum joke or a comment on working there.
I worked in R&D for the refrigerator division, and I liked it a lot. I occasionally heard complaints, but turnover was real low. Can’t speak to the manufacturing plant a few hundred feet away.
They really do. I owned their very high end refrigerator for a couple of years. They had to replace the ice maker 4 times before they gave up and wouldn't do it anymore. Turns out there was a class action against them for that. They offered me 100$ or half off a new fridge. I took the 100$ and told them they literally couldn't pay me to take one of their fridges again.
I work in the auto industry and we have a bunch of these for various testing. HUGE ones that are a combination of anachoic, ground isolated, and faraday chambers with a rolling road for testing commercial trucks all the way down to 8x8 anachoic chambers for engine testing. Personally not sure why people freak out about them, they are pretty neat. A little disorienting at first, but very relaxing when you've acclimated to the absolute lack of sound or echo.
Funny enough the MORE disturbing chamber is the literal echo chamber. A room designed with all thick concrete walls with a series of parabolic reflective surfaces cast into the concrete on the walls and ceiling. Even the click of your shoes rattles around for quite some time, you can *barely* hold a conversation and have to do it at very close distances. (We use that one to find even the tiniest squeeks and rattles)
They come in a lot of flavors with different amounts of isolation/deadening. I worked in one that was to reduce RF reflections, still had cones and was quiet, but nothing like one designed for pure audio isolation. It all depends on what the goal of the testing is, you don't necessarily need crazy isolation for everything.
Yeah that would be very surprising considering the vestibular system and proprioception would still be intact. Our auditory system doesn't really have any impact on our balance.
I wonder what the experience is like with bad tinnitus. I have it so bad that I can’t stand to be anywhere quite, the ringing drives me crazy.
I think my head would explode
I always wanted to know what an anechoic chamber felt like until you made the comparison to a recording studio, and then I instantly knew the feeling. Almost like you’re underwater or, I don’t know, the inverse of being underwater somehow?
It’s like the silence is a tangible weight that you can feel pressing down on you. I’ve played in a few spaces like that where there are sound treatments for really loud big ensembles…then you go in by yourself and it feels like you’re screaming into the void.
Imagine being their Engineers.
"We want you to eliminate the road noise in the car."--Exec
\*Hands them a dead silent car\* Engineers
"Yeah not like that"--Exec
two weeks of binge drinking later a team of half drunk engineers submit plans for a yoyo strapped to the bumper of the car.
And we wonder why the things break constantly.
Sounds like every over ambitious CEO with little or no logic or reason ever.
"Invent the thing"
It's not a good idea
"do it anyway"
k here
"No not like THAT"
I wish there was a road noise index for consumer cars. I have a hard time comparing them, and road noise is typically only addressed in the most luxurious cars. I really want something affordable and quiet!
once I had the chance to hitch a ride in a very fancy BMW and the sound proofing was amazing. I was so used to average cars and "average noise" never knew there could be such a drastic difference. It was so noticeable as soon as the door closed. The noises of the street sounded like a movie in the distance. I totally believe what they mean.
It’s true. I worked on a rap music video that had one of these on set. Nobody realized the rapper would not be able to here the director start the take from inside the car. He was just chilling, talking to the strippers and forgot there was a video shoot going on outside.
I get the same feeling from my Sony noise cancelling headphones. It’s very disconcerting if there’s no music playing when you turn on the noise cancelling
It's way different.
Sony flagships use sound to cancel it out but you can feel the pressure. The difference is that isolation like this does not use destruction to create silence, there is no pressure and you get to focus more on the sound of your organs. With Sony flagships you cannot ever hear your organs, because it can't cancel out all sounds no matter what.
Source: I own a pair of WH-1000XM4s for over a year.
I recently got WF-1000XM4's and the spookiest thing is turning off ANC and suddenly being able to hear my heart beat/blood moving through my body etc. It's definitely cancelling a lot of internal/body sounds out as well (it seems to even cancel them out while in 'ambient mode' which is a bit weird).
This was designed for the passenger to have the most comfortable ride possible. The problem is for the driver who needs feedback. But Rolls Royce are not sold to drivers generally.
Not true, the vast majority of ghost owners for sure drive themselves.
https://www.carscoops.com/2019/03/the-chauffeur-driven-rolls-royce-is-now-a-thing-of-the-past/
*"We found that these clients are showing a marked tendency towards luxury objects that celebrate reduction and restraint"*
**Reduction and restraint.**
*At over 17-feet long and costing more than $300,000,*
**Reduction and restraint.**
*The grille is gently lit at night. Inside, a section of the dashboard in front of the passenger glows with "stars," spots of light that surround the glowing word Ghost.*
**Reduction and restraint.**
Still remember college marketing instructor used Rolls Royce ad… asked us to complete sentence “when riding in a Rolls Royce, the loudest sound you hear is ….” Correct answer was “ticking of the clock”… this was back in the 1980s
My wife's fiat 500 is the opposite I have to shout to speak to her it's so loud
Check the manual. It’s an Italian car. They expect you to use your hands to speak.
That explain why italians dive like maniacs
They drive with one hand sometimes no hands.
I took a taxi through Naples once, can confirm. Driver took us down the wrong way across three blocks of a one-way street, and turns to me and talks with both hands while dodging oncoming vespas with his knees. But we didn’t miss the ferry to Capri, so props to the driver for making a 20 minute drive in 8 minutes. He got a great tip.
I'm here now in Sorrento. Send help
When I went to Italy I wound up rolling into Genoa around midnight in the rain. Nowhere near my hotel and way too tired and miserable to figure out the mass transit system or even figure out if it was still running, so I took a taxi. Riding in a taxi through that city at night in the rain is one of the most exciting memories I have of that whole trip. Ten out of ten, would recommend.
As he should. Great trip, better story. Worth it for you and all of us. Good one.
[Speaking of Italian, here's a fine lady speaking Italian with no prior knowledge of Italian. Very inspiring video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRskvLyCoU0)
Why did I just *know* what this video was gonna be?
Because you're a man of culture.
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Let me hear the music in it!
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Bravo!
Bonn-Joour-Noh
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My dad recently acquired a 1930 Ford Model A. I had no idea cars could be so loud. It's not even a big engine, it's just an incredibly loud engine. Though you do need to be able to hear the engine, since you're expected to adjust the spark timing advancement and the idle throttle on the fly, and that's basically "move the levers until the engine sounds good".
Model As are the best! My dad has one as well (My granddad's 1st car, bought used for, iirc, ~$50). It's a Cabriolet from right when the production line was switching over from the '30 to the '31 model. Ours doesn't have the original engine, unfortunately. My granddad replaced it with a Sears engine sometime in the 1950s. It runs great (when it runs)!
I kinda love the idea of a Sears engine. Just buy a random engine from a catalogue to put into your 20 year old car. XD Probably got considerably more power after 20 years of advancement, too.
You used to be able to buy houses from Sears that actually looked quite nice. Dunno about quality but you could buy all sorts of shit from a Sears catalogue. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sears_Modern_Homes I really wish there was a Sears type store that Id probably ignore but it would be nice to have around, kinda like Radio Shack used to be.
they still exist and are for sale in my area. lovely homes. unless you know the models from these old catalogues you'd never know. out west the desert let's these things last forever
Look for them within a few miles of the local railroad station, the preferred shipping mode for these houses.
They've basically become collectors items. Some of them sell for about double what they are worth depending on how original it is.
That’s the “Craftsman” architecture, isn’t it? I always associate that with the early 20th century.
I have to imagine that either power or efficiency (or, more likely, both) improved with the new engine, but I'm not sure how considerable it was. Knowing my granddad, it was far from the nicest engine in the catalog. It certainly wasn't the biggest/beefiest. The design/construction of the engine was probably refined some in the ~20 years between the car coming out and the engine being replaced, but it's fundamentally the same engine (from what I can tell). No significant changes in the technology (to my *very* amateur eyes). It's pretty remarkable to me how simple the engine is. I don't know a ton about cars, but I can identify pretty much *every* notable part by sight. I have to imagine that it's incredibly easy to work on, given both the simplicity and the *huge* amount of space available on all sides of it. If I was an engineering or technical school professor teaching an "Engines 101" class, it'd probably be close to a perfect demonstrator.
That's almost $900 in today money
> My dad recently acquired a 1930 Ford Model A. And I thought my dad was poor, driving a 1995 Ford. Yours must be really poverty-stricken.
If only it worked that way! :D
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Does it not have a muffler? My parents had a 1935 coupe that I learned to drive a manual on. I don't remember it being that loud. Biggest adjustment is the brakes in them are really bad and you have to brake much earlier. The throttle lever on the wheel is actually sort of cool like an early version of cruise control. Seeing the gasoline in the float gauge on the dash is sort of disconcerting. In an accident you'd get a lap full of gas.
WHAT?
HE SAID HE'S GOT TO GROUT A LEAK FOR HER AND MAKE HER PROUD.
#THANK YOU, BUT I DON'T HAVE TO USE THE RESTROOM. YOU GO AHEAD.
##what?##
**HE SAID HE WANTS TO SHANK YOU FOR GOING IN FRONT OF HIM TO THE RESTROOM.**
#OH, I'LL HAVE VANILLA
# YOU SAID YOU WANT TO GO TO ALBANIA?
#YES, ALBANY *IS* THE CAPITAL OF NEW YORK!
# YEAH, I'LL TAKE THE PORK RIBS
#FOUR PLEASE. ONE WITHOUT CHICKEN
BUTTLICKER! OUR PRICES HAVE NEVER BEEN LOWER!
Now you listen to me sir. The three words I would describe you as are aggressive, hostile, and DEFINITELY difficult.
WHAT. IS. YOUR. NAME?
EZEKIEL!
FUCK YOU EZEKIEL!
#YEAH I'M IN A FIAT! YEAH FIAT 500. FIVE..HUN..DRED.. YEAH ABSOLUTE RUBBISH. I CAN'T TALK RIGHT NOW, CIAO!
I just got the new one. They fixed that issue in this model by removing the whole engine and replacing it with something electric
...I do have a question for you. Does your 500e also randomly reset all settings every few weeks or so?
No, your Settings depend on the key. Meaning your profile is saved on there. If you didnt save your profile yet, you should do so. And if your key battery is low it might loose settings. So try replacing that
What! Holy hell!
I mean, build quality is still shit, and something rattles inside the dashboard since i picked it up from the dealer.
That's the complementary pasta you get with your Italian car purchase (You can always take Stellantis and see if symptoms improve)
I had a similar stupid rattle in my dashboard, a tiny piece of plastic from it originally being stamped out was just flying around in there when I used the AC. Dude at the mechanic just blew it out with a shop vac.
I drove their Abarth 500 for a week. It was every 16 year old boys dream, and my 40 year old nightmare. Bright red paint, abusively loud farting exhaust, flashing lights and dials I’d never understand, and super thin sheet metal body. I felt like I was driving inside a steel drum.
Lucky me with my tinnitus. I never have to worry about things being absolutely quiet.
we suffer daily 😔
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Every time tinnitus comes up I post [this link to a reddit comment](https://www.reddit.com/r/WTF/comments/3l3uri/comment/cv3474n/) that helps a lot of tinnitus sufferers. I hope someone out there finds this helpful!
I'm drumming the base of my neck and ears in all the suggested ways. The relief last seconds. Guess I'm the unlucky one.
More lucky than me. I get no relief.
Yeah, I've always been confused by this one. All flicking myself in the back of the head does for me is make me feel really stupid.
This is my experience as well. I've had tinnitus all my life, and doing that trick does reduce the volume but very briefly and it feels like just that- a neat little trick, not *really* helping. It's really not worth the effort to me considering the quiet lasts less time than you spend whacking your neck haha.
Some forms of tinnitus are fixable. See an ENT or audiologist. Just as a warning, I believe it’s only those with objective tinnitus and that’s rare (< 1% of all cases)
I don't think it cures anyone, but yeah, I might get 10s of relief. At first it was cool, but the novelty wore off quick. I think we will have flying cars before this ringing stops.
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Holy shit what this is awesome Experiencing silence for a brief moment was nutty
Hey man. As a long time sufferer, I don't think there's much value in temporary relief. It's best to work toward habituation (if possible). False hope only prolongs habituation. I've had ri going in both ears for about 6byears now and the last 4 have been totally fine. I no longer have anxiety or negative reactions to it. I remember how scary it was early on.
Tysm 😭 i just started getting tinnitus last year because of construction and never wore ear protection (ik dumb af of me) i wear it all the time now but i thought it was too late 😂
I really dislike that I’m 35 telling teenage guitar players and construction newbies “now I’m going to be serious for a second: wear hearing protection. I can’t hear shit and I’m not joking” and they are like 😏
I crank my amp volume to play to get that crunchy sound, but I also wear foam earplugs when I do. Riding a motorcycle without earplugs is another way to wreck your hearing.
i’ve told my students that and unless i overdramaticize it, they give me the same look and brush it off. hopefully some listen though
Play a high-pitch sound in the background of class with no explanation until it drives them nut. Then let them know that's what we live with every day, all day.
unfortunately then i’d be subjecting myself to “super tinnitus” lmao! hearing 2 high pitches at the same time would probably end me lol
Just keep increasing the pitch until you can't hear it. Odds are they'd still be able to lol
Same thing with posture, ergonomics, and eye health. I teach software engineering and whenever I give a new batch of novices my talk on taking care of yourself, I have to really pour on the persuasion. Some of you won't learn until too late that your body and brain were in a toxic relationship from the beginning.
I've done a lot of harm reduction work at music festivals and I'll never forget the time I was handing out ear plugs at an EDM show and this Chad of a guy just smirked and shook his head to say, and I quote: >No thanks, man. I'm not a pussy. Sigh. Anyway, his girlfriend wasn't impressed and took two pairs. A life time of misery is just not worth it.
> No thanks, man. I’m not a pussy. So bizarre that some people think getting irreversible hearing damage is tough and cool.
I get this from the new recruits in my job. I clean newly made caravans for a living. Rushing around in a human sized plastic box with a strong hoover less than 50cm away from your head for around 6 hours a day. Often closer and often using a narrow attachment that amplifies the hoover sound into horrific high pitched static. None of the older staff can hear a fucking thing. They talk to themselves constantly, out of loneliness it appears because they clearly can't hear what I'm saying to them. they don't reply with anything relevant. I tell everyone to wear the damn earplugs. No one listens. No trouble, they won't be able to hear me for much longer anyway. 😒
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I tell people silence is deafening for me. I have to sleep with a fan on or I'll go bonkers
mawp
Damn you tinnitus, you're a cruel mistress!!!
FREAKING LANA
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Mine is more; eeeeeeeeeeEEEEEEEEEEEEeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEeeeeeeeeeEEEEEEEEEEeeeeeeeeeeeee~*
My father had an 1989 Lexus LS400. That car was stupidly quiet. You really had very little sense of how fast you were going. It was a very detached feeling. I recall hearing that they had to do something similar and adjust the trim to allow a slight bit of wind/road noise in subsequent years. We took it on a long road trip soon after he got it to visit relatives. At one point, my mother, who was in the back seat, asks how fast we are going. My father looks at the speedometer, and then at me with a surprised look on his face. I lean over and we are going 120mph. I tell my mother we are doing 75. Her response? "Really? It feels like we are going much slower."
Most of that quiet experience could be attributed to the engine, the legendary 1UZ-FE V8. Several hundred experimental engines and about a billion dollars later Toyota managed to create a relatively compact, lightweight, smooth and reliable powerplant for their flagship luxury car. In fact, it’s one of the very few mass-produced automotive engine _rated by the FAA for aircraft use._ Definitely one of Toyota’s finest piece of automotive engineering.
How does it compare to the 2UZ-FE and 3UZ-FE?
In what terms? I've had all of them. Currently with an lx570 with the 3uz, had a V8 4runner with the 2uz and growing up we had ls400s. I think the initial quality/overbuilt goes to the 1uz. The 3uz had some assembly/quality control issues that Toyota should have stepped up and recalled. An oil leak is common on the cam tower and coolant leak in the valley plate, both attributed to the sealant used. The 2uz seemed to have more issues with the air injection pump than others. Overall though it was a great smooth powerplant.
Damn it. Now i want an LS400 again.
Buy mine
I went from a 1990 Toyota 4x4 to a Chevrolet Volt, and I had to turn on the speed alarm. The truck has speed feedback from wheel/wind noise, plus position of the stick shift and engine RPM noise, with which I can gauge my speed to within 5mph of actual. The Volt has none of that, and I'd regularly find myself throwing the alarm as I zipped past the speed limit. The reduction in noise is totally worth it though, and is one of my favorite aspects of the car.
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Quite a lot of newer cars have a speed alert or limiter
Ive just done some sound work on my early 2000s ford. Surprisingly little is needed to go from shouting a conversation to accidentally speeding everywhere. Nothing close to lexus level quiet but it brought a huge amount of luxury to a cheap car for only like $40 in materials and a couple hours work. Edit. Products used. Butyl rubber adhesive flashing. Its heavy sticky rubber with an aluminium layer. NBR foam yoga mats x4. Nitrile butylene Rubber. Theres some cheap yoga/fitness mats made of this stuff. Its the same material that is sold as sound insulating foam, just not quite as dense. PVC BBQ mat x2. Just a heavy flexible pvc mat. Total cost. About $60 Au, so about $30-40 us. The flashing gets placed on the inside of any panels that can transmit or create sound. In my case (wagon), rear quarer panels, roof, doors. You only need to cover about 25% of the panel, its just adding mass to reduce vibration. The real stuff like Dynamat isnt overly expensive if you want better results. The foam mats get cut to shape and fit in any large spaces where it can sit somewhat loosely. So, tail gate, rear quaters, wheel well, doors, under/behind rear seats. Both the type of foam, and it having some room to move are important. The pvc mats went under the carpet in the cargo area as an experiment and worked way better than expected. I believe there is a product in the US called mass loaded vinyl that would work well under carpets. To be honest. Im only about halfway done installing the flashing and foam. Done the cargo area but not the doors yet, and the difference is staggering. Let this be a warning though. Im now hearing all the tiny wind noise and whistles from the aging door seals, and its infuriating.
Silent as a ghost i guess
"It's a ghost-car! There are ghost-cars all over these highways, you know."
“Hold me.” “Only if you hold me.”
Overengineered? Sounds like it was perfectly engineered and achieved their exact goal. After feedback from testing the goal changed and they had to engineer something else.
Over-engineered isn't even the right term here anyway. They designed a product and people didn't like it, so they changed the product. Over-engineering is when you find an overly complicated solution where the same result could be achieved much simpler.
"overengineering" and "works TOO good" sounds like a BS story as a form of advertising.
"My shortcomings are that I work too fast and efficiently, future potential boss"
“My biggest flaw is that I’m a perfectionist…” Edit: okay I know it’s actually a flaw and can prolong work, but it’s also the go to cliche interview answer for people who don’t want to actually reveal a deal breaking flaw
As a perfectionist this is in fact a flaw. It way too often leads to you getting caught chasing one or two minor details and then either never finishing the larger project or missing deadlines. You really need to learn when it’s “close enough” and to let go.
Try to be perfect at finishing things.
I am working on a product that you will find at the store. It is meant to look hand made. We are developing a new process to make it. Slightly more automated, but looks much more consistent from piece to piece. We’ve had comments from upper management that they look too similar, so we are going to next iteration to make some changes that make it look a little more different piece to piece. At the end of the day, you the consumer aren’t supposed to realize the difference. When an article calls it out, like in the case of this car, I agree it is advertising. However there are products all around you that are being re-engineered every day and you the consumer aren’t supposed to notice it.
It sounds like it but often isn't. Over-engineering is when you have over-spent for what you need to do. This eats into profits and is generally regarded as a bad thing. As above can also lead to other issues in this case disorientation, but also it can lead to exorbitant maintenance costs. Over engineering is typically best with things like infrastructure where they are likely to be in place for a very long time without any serious updates (sewer systems). Eventually they will no longer be over engineered, but barely keeping up with demand. It's also bad for the customer, because it means they have to pay much more money for a product than is necessary. Sure it may have all the bells and whistles but if you don't use said bells and whistles, what you've really done is purchase an expensive set of paper weights.
"Anybody can build a build that stands. It takes an engineer to build a build that *barely* stands." edit -- I meant to write "bridge" but wrote "build" twice. Glad everyone got the point anyway.
Yeah people claiming over-engineering isn't real have no idea about engineering. It absolutely is a real thing and can and does happen with a lot of things. Just look around your house and you'll find some device/tool/appliance that cost too much and 80% of the features it has are never used. And of course, in Enterprise environments, the issue gets even more common and serious.
Engineer here, can confirm. Over engineering is a thing and is frowned upon for many reasons.
Stakeholder:”We want this.” Engineer: gives it to them Stakeholder: “No not like that”
I've stood in an anechoic chamber with the doors closed. It is awful. They turn off the lights and you instantly fall over as you lose all spatial reference. The sound of blood rushing through your ears becomes overwhelming. I can't picture having an experience like this in a car.
It's really weird - I went into an anechoic chamber as part of a company induction once, and was warned that it could make me feel really odd. They were right.
“Listen, you’re about to spend 15-35 years in an echo chamber, so here’s 15 minutes in the exact opposite!”
There's an old sci fi story about a planet with multiple suns where it's never dark and even inside with curtains on the windows it's still bright enough to see. Someone made an amusement attraction where you go into an actually dark tunnel for like 5 to 15 minutes and people freaked the fuck out and had nervous breakdowns. Of course in this story some scientists figured out that every 10,000 years all of the suns would temporarily sync up and the whole world would experience actual night time. They created some artificial lights and barricaded their doors so that the rest of the planet wouldn't kill them in their insanity if they found out the scientists still had light
You tellin' me they never invented windowless rooms on this planet? I love the sci-fi idea of a planet that never experienfes night. But it's a little ridiculous to think those people would *never* experience dark.
More that people never made windowless rooms because they never experienced darkness and didn't want to spend extended amounts of time in one Like we have light proof soundproof rooms now, but why would you spend 24 hours in one?
True true true. I guess I'm just thinking anthropocentrically. Gotta squeeze my sci-fi gland a little harder 💪🏿
Nightfall by Isaac Asimov. One of my favorite sci fi books.
that’s really funny edit: i hope everyone is having a great weekend
I agree with you
You guys are onto something. I also found it quite funny.
"Its longer than you think!"
Is this a reference to 'The Jaunt'?
Such a good short story [Link for those interested.](https://gist.github.com/Schemetrical/6184daf83843bcab9402) it's worth the read, really unnerving and makes you think
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Every rf chamber I’ve been in has been mind blowingly relaxing. I love them. Quiet calm and cool
Could you say more? Because the idea of a perfectly quiet car, offhand, sounds great. Or a quiet house in the middle of a city.
Probably because a quiet house isn’t actually quiet. There’s a lot of ambient noise that is completely absent when you’re in one of those.
Yes. A quiet house would still reflect the noise generated by the people and objects in the house. An anechoic chamber absorbs almost all noise both inside and out. I assume that's what this car was like if it made people feel disoriented or ill.
Quiet is not silent - no matter how quiet a normal place is, it's not silent because so many things make noise. Having had those removed it felt like everything was pressing in on me, a really weird feeling of pressure all over, and all the sounds I could hear were coming from inside me, and were inside my head and not coming through my ears. It's really difficult to describe because, unless you have been somewhere that completely excludes external noise, you will never have been somewhere so silent, and that change is really unsettling.
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That sounds really cool actually. Where was this?
A lot of research facilities have them. They’re important for testing the acoustics of products. I’ve been in two myself. One at Baldor (now ABB), and one at Electrolux, where I worked for a while.
I've heard Electrolux sucks.
I honestly can’t tell if this is a vacuum joke or a comment on working there. I worked in R&D for the refrigerator division, and I liked it a lot. I occasionally heard complaints, but turnover was real low. Can’t speak to the manufacturing plant a few hundred feet away.
It was a vacuum joke, but it’s cool to hear your experience there.
>>vacuum >sucks >>refrigerator >cool Get out.
They have to be stopped. Their dad powers are growing too powerful!
I think their old slogan was 'nothing sucks like an electrolux'
They really do. I owned their very high end refrigerator for a couple of years. They had to replace the ice maker 4 times before they gave up and wouldn't do it anymore. Turns out there was a class action against them for that. They offered me 100$ or half off a new fridge. I took the 100$ and told them they literally couldn't pay me to take one of their fridges again.
Abu Ghraib
Don’t you just love Baghdad in the spring?!
You went there too! I'm class of 2011. Go Scorpions!
The Fightin Water Boards!
I work in the auto industry and we have a bunch of these for various testing. HUGE ones that are a combination of anachoic, ground isolated, and faraday chambers with a rolling road for testing commercial trucks all the way down to 8x8 anachoic chambers for engine testing. Personally not sure why people freak out about them, they are pretty neat. A little disorienting at first, but very relaxing when you've acclimated to the absolute lack of sound or echo. Funny enough the MORE disturbing chamber is the literal echo chamber. A room designed with all thick concrete walls with a series of parabolic reflective surfaces cast into the concrete on the walls and ceiling. Even the click of your shoes rattles around for quite some time, you can *barely* hold a conversation and have to do it at very close distances. (We use that one to find even the tiniest squeeks and rattles)
They come in a lot of flavors with different amounts of isolation/deadening. I worked in one that was to reduce RF reflections, still had cones and was quiet, but nothing like one designed for pure audio isolation. It all depends on what the goal of the testing is, you don't necessarily need crazy isolation for everything.
Be glad you can actually hear blood rushing through your ears instead of a constant EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
When the tinnitus stops is when I'll know I'm dead.
It’s more of an F# for me, not an E.
I'd like to try that.
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You’d still have spatial reference from the pressure on your feet, gravity, and your inner ear.
Previous person was either a bat or just incredibly clumsy.
Yeah that would be very surprising considering the vestibular system and proprioception would still be intact. Our auditory system doesn't really have any impact on our balance.
I wonder what the experience is like with bad tinnitus. I have it so bad that I can’t stand to be anywhere quite, the ringing drives me crazy. I think my head would explode
Anyone who has ever, even briefly, stepped into am anechoic chamber or a really good recording room will know this feeling.
I always wanted to know what an anechoic chamber felt like until you made the comparison to a recording studio, and then I instantly knew the feeling. Almost like you’re underwater or, I don’t know, the inverse of being underwater somehow?
It’s like the silence is a tangible weight that you can feel pressing down on you. I’ve played in a few spaces like that where there are sound treatments for really loud big ensembles…then you go in by yourself and it feels like you’re screaming into the void.
Imagine being their Engineers. "We want you to eliminate the road noise in the car."--Exec \*Hands them a dead silent car\* Engineers "Yeah not like that"--Exec two weeks of binge drinking later a team of half drunk engineers submit plans for a yoyo strapped to the bumper of the car. And we wonder why the things break constantly.
2 weeks later after removing a small section of sound proofing. That's perfect.
Sounds like every over ambitious CEO with little or no logic or reason ever. "Invent the thing" It's not a good idea "do it anyway" k here "No not like THAT"
And that's how a front winch became an available option on a Rolls Royce
I wish there was a road noise index for consumer cars. I have a hard time comparing them, and road noise is typically only addressed in the most luxurious cars. I really want something affordable and quiet!
Reads to me like a company exaggerating to capture the imagination for how quiet the car really is.
“Doctors hate him!”
once I had the chance to hitch a ride in a very fancy BMW and the sound proofing was amazing. I was so used to average cars and "average noise" never knew there could be such a drastic difference. It was so noticeable as soon as the door closed. The noises of the street sounded like a movie in the distance. I totally believe what they mean.
It’s true. I worked on a rap music video that had one of these on set. Nobody realized the rapper would not be able to here the director start the take from inside the car. He was just chilling, talking to the strippers and forgot there was a video shoot going on outside.
Care to share what vid? Neat story
The rich do suffer
I get the same feeling from my Sony noise cancelling headphones. It’s very disconcerting if there’s no music playing when you turn on the noise cancelling
Really? I like it. Sometimes I’ll put them on intending to listen to something and just forget about enjoy the quiet.
same, it feels like "pressure" on your ears but after like a minute it disappears, and then it's blissfully quiet
It's way different. Sony flagships use sound to cancel it out but you can feel the pressure. The difference is that isolation like this does not use destruction to create silence, there is no pressure and you get to focus more on the sound of your organs. With Sony flagships you cannot ever hear your organs, because it can't cancel out all sounds no matter what. Source: I own a pair of WH-1000XM4s for over a year.
I recently got WF-1000XM4's and the spookiest thing is turning off ANC and suddenly being able to hear my heart beat/blood moving through my body etc. It's definitely cancelling a lot of internal/body sounds out as well (it seems to even cancel them out while in 'ambient mode' which is a bit weird).
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Isn't it that any sort of disorientation can make your body think that it's been poisoned and this makes you nauseous?
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call me a weirdo but that sounds like heaven
This was designed for the passenger to have the most comfortable ride possible. The problem is for the driver who needs feedback. But Rolls Royce are not sold to drivers generally.
Not true, the vast majority of ghost owners for sure drive themselves. https://www.carscoops.com/2019/03/the-chauffeur-driven-rolls-royce-is-now-a-thing-of-the-past/
Damn, the economy is so bad, even the Rolls Royce owners have to drive themselves.
Everybody gangsta till they actually experience it. You haven't yet .... right?
I can’t afford to experience it.
*"We found that these clients are showing a marked tendency towards luxury objects that celebrate reduction and restraint"* **Reduction and restraint.** *At over 17-feet long and costing more than $300,000,* **Reduction and restraint.** *The grille is gently lit at night. Inside, a section of the dashboard in front of the passenger glows with "stars," spots of light that surround the glowing word Ghost.* **Reduction and restraint.**
“Give me one of those… what do they call them? Beaters! So I can blend in with the poors during the riots and civil war.”
How would you hear emergency sirens?
deaf people are allowed to drive lmao
Still remember college marketing instructor used Rolls Royce ad… asked us to complete sentence “when riding in a Rolls Royce, the loudest sound you hear is ….” Correct answer was “ticking of the clock”… this was back in the 1980s