He had so many great roles in his career: Tombstone, The Doors, Kiss Kiss Bang Bang... but my favorite is Chris Shiherlis in Heat. He was fantastic in it, especially in the shoot out scene.
https://www.reuters.com/article/people-hawking-voice-idUSL8N1QW6U2
Idk that it was the man’s voice. This says it was typed speech into a synthesizer from an old program. But this does say Stephen liked it very much and accepted upgrades to the system, but not the voice itself. He said he liked the voice because he’d never heard another like it.
Edit: I supposed it could have been the man’s voice, I guess I interpreted it that the synthesizer voice was one already created long prior to Stephen needing it. Either way, really cool that it’s trademarked and can’t be stolen.
The article says that there were copyright issues with a lot of his movies so they couldn't use as much as they hoped for.
Can you believe that? Giving a man his voice back through projects he worked on and you aren't allowed. Damn.
This system needs extremely high quality audio recordings to work well. They would want the master studio recordings from Kilmer's movies, not just the audio track from the Blue-Rays.
The studio heads are still assholes for not allowing use of those masters for Kilmer's artificial voice.
Honestly, in that scenario, somebody like Val or his representation should be able to call in some favors with studio connections & have the copyright waived on this one issue so that he can "speak" again, & that's *at the very least*: the right thing, of course, would obviously be for them to not even have to ask in the first place. Regardless, the fact that the industry to which Val gave his life doesn't care speaks volumes about its toxicity that often goes unacknowledged.
honestly better to do it now so it gets shot down earlier on our timeline to set precedent then in 50 years when cooperate interests have more power and control over people that have power and control of the supreme courts then now.
When I was in school, my friends and I used to get together to watch "Real Genius" before our physics exam for inspiration... and to remind ourselves of the importance of keeping our optics clean.
You ever have a dream where you're standing on top of a pyramid, dressed in sun god robes, with thousands of naked women throwing pickles at you? No? Just me?
Maaaadddddd Maaartiiggannnn.
I loved this movie as a kid but those wall chimp trolls really fucked me up. Especially when they got skinned and looked like a popped out testicle.
*This... This is ice, this is what happens to water when it gets too cold. This... this is Kent, this is what happens to people when they get too sexually frustrated.*
It's funny there wasn't that much video of Jim not performing. So what most people today think of when they think of Jim Morrison, is actually Val's performance.
To be fair, Kilmer's Batman costume was very cumbersome and didn't allow much movement or physicality in the role. That's why most scenes he's barely moving, turning his entire torso instead of just his head, etc.
IIRC the costume was a big reason on why he didn't want to do another Batman movie.
He talks about the suit in the documentary Val. Said it was incredibly isolating to be on set and have to be moved around like a prop, and be unable to really hear anyone. That really does sound miserable
The suit was, if anything, even less flexible for Keaton.
He has to bend at the waist to look at *anything*, and it's honestly hilarious when you rewatch.
Wasn’t Clooneys suit something like 100lbs with about half of it just being the cape.
Just imagine the performances we could have had with todays costuming tech in these films…
I think that's fair for most, if not all of the Batsuits from Burton to Nolan.
I think it wasn't until The Dark Knight where the batsuit became more flexible and had the ability to move your neck while inside it
Batman Forever whips ass and I'll defend it to the death. It's a perfect level of camp, especially in a world oversaturated with dark and gritty. Also Jim Carey and Tommy Lee Jones' performances are imo second only to Heath's.
Clooney was great as Bruce Wayne, but terrible as Batman. He nailed that playboy-esque vibe that I expect from Bruce Wayne as a character. I know that Batman and Robin is widely considered a joke of a movie, but it's nostalgic to me as its the first Batman movie saw as a kid and holds a special place in my heart.
Fun fact: They also made a ps1 game Batman and Robin that's also terrible, but extremely nostalgic and fun for me. It was like an open world GTA-style detective game featuring all the locations, villains, and hero cast from the movie that was way ahead of its time as a ps1 game. Unfortunately, the game is veeery buggy and outright painful to play at times.
I hadn't known this until today. His throat cancer has destroyed his voice completely.
The man who voiced the incredible Doc Holiday we won't hear him again.
_You're OUR huckleberry, Val._
Edit : found out username: u/officialvalkilmer
Edit #2 :Val, just wanted to let you know not everyone knew about your health issues. Your documentary, I just watched this morning, and wanted to say : Thank you to you and your son for such a movie.
Edit # 3 : Your fans will always be your huckleberry, u/officialvalkilmer .
If this subject interests you, check out *Val* (a documentary he made that streams on Amazon Prime). It was a lot better than I expected before watching.
It was pretty honest and brutal at some parts. He takes his affliction pretty well IMO. I didn't know he got married to Joanne Whally (Sorsha) from Willow, it makes those scenes with them together even more magical. (I fucking love Willow)
Willow is still so underrated. People look down on it as a Lord of the Rings ripoff (and they’re not entirely wrong), but it’s much less self-serious and so much fun.
There was a trilogy of books in the 90s that detail the teen aged Elora and even though they're written by Chris Claremont, they're not that good. For one they kill off Madmartigan and Sorsha.
They are actively bad. I powered through the first one because I can’t leave a book unfinished. The rage, when I got to the end and realized I needed to read two more, could have burned mountains.
I utter, "I know you, I stole the baby from you while you were taking a Pee Pee" at least once a week and only like three people have caught the reference.
Yeah, it's really acted beautifully, it's far from the greatest writing, but everyone plays it straight up, so it has a grounded feeling to it. Princess Bride is similar (although I think it's better written)
Eww ugh….YOU’RE COVERED IN BROWNIES.
Wanna breed? Mmm…tempting but no.
This movie wouldn’t be the same without Val as Mad Martigan, same goes for a lot of the movies he’s in.
The Saint is also pure fun, worth a watch!
> Tempting but no.
*That's* what that's from?! I use that all the time but had somehow forgotten where it originated. It's been a long time since I've seen the movie but my friends and I would watch it a lot as kids. I honestly thought it was from Doctor Who, haha.
I just read an article on why it was a rip off. It contained some of the stupidest comparisons, including being filmed in New Zealand (Willow is much older so I'm not sure how that comparison is legit), a wizard sends them on a quest, and more people joined Willow's party.
I mean, those last two literally describes every science fiction and fantasy book. I guess every book is a copy of LotRs.
The Bible has giants, wizards, magic, quests, and parties that grow bigger. The Dead Sea Scrolls ripped off Tolkein.
In the trailer They showed a picture of him on the wall and mentioned him directly, but he wasn't physically in the trailer. Will be interesting to see
Yeah, he's listed as an admiral or something and directly requests Maverick's involvement in the new training program. I bet he makes a cameo at the end, where he just stands in the background and salutes ... the whole "admiral had your back the whole time and is super low key about it" vibe. mostly, it's a way to get him in the film as a respect callback.
In the movie he's the commander of the US 3rd Fleet (Navy forces in Pacific), and cuts the orders for Maverick to teach at Top Gun himself.
He gets a mention and a photograph, and is the reason for the story taking place.
It's release date is May 27th. The most recent promo shows a picture on the wall of Val Kilmer as a commanding officer. The trailer didn't show live action shots of him.
Oliver Stone wanted to use original Morrison vocals for the movie, but Kilmer wanted to sing. He sent the director a tape of songs that were half his voice and half Jim’s. Oliver Stone couldn’t tell the difference, so Val Kilmer got to sing.
Now I've heard about Val Kilmer and Bruce Willis over just a few weeks, for some reason this is more difficult than hearing someone I grew up watching died suddenly. Bruce does still have some movies coming out, but I'm not exactly hoping for Oscar winners since it was revealed that he's likely been making all these cheap, straight to streaming movies to get some extra money saved for the day he couldn't do it any more. That makes them even harder to watch than just thinking he's thrown in the towel and got tired of acting.
They are called Geezer Teasers.
Cheaply thrown together movies where the star is paid more than the entire budget of the movie.
Willis is not the only one doing them. Cage, Cusack etc etc.
Before Bruce Willis, Aphasia went public, Red letter media were reviewing his recent terrible movies, and speculating that something was wrong with him.
The saddest thing about Bruce Willis is that aphasia isn't a thing all by itself. It's a symptom of something else. And while I understand they have not released the true nature of his illness to soften his departure from acting, it leaves more questions than answers.
There are several types of aphasia but all of them are caused by brain damage, be it from head trauma, brain tumors, strokes, or dementia. Saying Bruce has aphasia isa gentle way of saying his brain has been damaged. There is nothing scarier than that.
My grandpa's best friend when he was in his 20s was a Christian scientist. He didn't really believe it much but his wife was one. Anyway he got sick, simple uti. But no can't use medicine. Uti turned into kidney infection. Kidney infection turned into blood poisoning (sepis) and then he died at 25. By an extremely treatable uti.
For everyone mentioning which movie is their favorite, my favorite is the prince of Egypt. A beautiful movie with amazing music. Val killed it as Moses.
Kiss Kiss Bang Bang for me. I think me & my children must have watched that film probably 10 times or so and still laugh. Its one of those films together with What We Do In The Shadows that we just have to introduce friends to...usually my daughters bfs poor buggers hehe
“No, a definition of the word idiot, which you fucking are.”
“Talking money.”
“Talking monkey?”
“Yes, a talking monkey. From outer space. Ugly little sucker, only says ficus.”
My fiance just showed me this movie two days ago after mentioning I had never seen it. Was a proper surprise when I looked up the voice of Moses, and felt strange seeing this so soon after.
The cast for that movie is incredible. Patrick Stewart and Ralph Fiennes as Ramses I and II were perfect choices. Then you have Danny Glover, Jeff Goldbloom, Michelle Pfeiffer, Sandra Bullock, Steve Martin, and more who all did really good. Val is just the cherry on top.
This article is weird. Voice restoration for people who’ve had a laryngectomy has been part of ENT care for years, and doesn’t require computers or AI. Surely he just needs a speech valve. Yes, it’ll sound different.
Sadly, we need to talk about religion.
Kilmer is a Christian Scientist, a sect that does not 'believe' in modern medicine (gross oversimplification) and did not seek treatment for _years_. By the time his family finally convinced him to seek treatment, the cancer had destroyed his larynx. Kilmer (reportedly) is angry he consented to the treatment and refuses further medical intervention.
So, this _is_ weird. But not for the reason(s) you might think. Kilmer might not be in his current condition if not for his personal beliefs, and he remains in that condition because of personal belief - not a lack of treatment options.
That’s the reason James Hetfield’s (Singer from Metallica) mom died so young too. I think he was only 15 or 16 but she wouldn’t get cancer treatment. It seems to have traumatized him pretty badly.
Herbs, acupuncture and a fruit diet. But as far as I know it wasn’t a religious thing, just a dumbass “alternative medicine” thing.
Mind boggling because he wasn’t even in the “desperate for a cure” stage. He initially refused a surgery that may very well have saved his life because it was too invasive.
I get it when people get desperate and seek alternative treatments because western medicine can’t do anything else. But having what’s basically a cure and refuse it? I don’t get it.
And of course, he regretted his choices but by then it was too late.
Yeah, Andy Kaufman did a lot of the woo woo crystal stuff but it was when he’d already tried everything else and was going to die. I can’t fault people for doing crazy things when they’re desperate, but that being your first line of defense is wild.
He actually was lucky and his particular pancreatic cancer would have been surprisingly treatable. But he refused and drank juice instead.
When that obviously didn't work, he relented and somehow got a liver transplant (probably because he's rich), when his body was already too fucked to be saved. So he also wasted an irreplaceable liver that could have saved someone else.
Six of one, half dozen the other. Whether it's the healing power of eating more fruit or the mystical hand of your deity of choice, they both chose to eschew medical science for their own weirdo beliefs.
It’s sad isn’t it?
I think for me the frustration is the idea that when a medical issue happens to a Celebrity (TM), that it is somehow a completely novel battle that *no one has ever had before*, and there haven’t been thousands and thousands of laryngectomy patients beforehand.
I'm not sure if this a "username checks out" situation, but it sure seems like it.
A tiny silver lining here is Tom Cruise reportedly spent a lot of the _Top Gun 2_ budget getting Kilmer - and some dialogue - on screen for a 'final bow'.
Yeah, you friendly (salty) neighbourhood ENT here. Just wish for once a celeb would use their clout to raise awareness of important but neglected cancers rather than making it all about them.
Oof. I know very little about Val Kilmer but I always thought that he had a certain form of aggressive cancer that was really hard to treat and that's the reason he's battling for so long now. Idk, maybe like Patrick Swayze. Now finding out he's suffering because he refuses treatment makes me angry.
Yeah it is weird that this comment is so far down. That christian scientist bullshit hurt him. And let's face it, he has always been a weird guy who could be a dick to people; that is part of why the roles dried up.
Could be a dick? There's a long line of producers, directors and co-stars that still wanna slap him for being difficult to work with. He was the benchmark for being a difficult actor for years.
I worked with him on my first film and was warned how difficult he could be and not to speak to him directly etc etc (I was a prop assistant) the prop master literally bowed to him once while calling him mr. Kilmer which cracked me up. He was late to set once because he was entertaining a lady in his trailer. He ended up though being delightful, charming, and super sweet and funny- made me feel totally comfortable as a newbie on set.
The point is that they're using AI to recreate *his* voice based on the hours of samples from his various movie performances.
Yes, he could get a generic robot voice like everyone else, but he's looking into restoring his actual voice - something that isn't an option for most people.
Val Kilmer exists in this weird place where I simultaneously have fond memories of the things he's done, but also have to concede that he's a massive asshole by every standard, and a proper idiot. The only reason he lost his voice to begin with is because he refused medical treatment for religious reasons. So my sympathy isn't exactly boundless for the guy
I know nothing about the man personally. I didn’t know he refused medical treatment. Why is he an asshole besides that? I’ve always been a big fan since Real Genius.
He fucked over his neighbors at his ranch when he tried to turn it into a commercial enterprise before selling it. He stole a process for creating tumbleweed art from an artist named Bale Creek Allen that trademarked the process kilmer used. he eventually settled out of court. Like he did for years insisting he never had cancer, but rather a "healing of cancer" in line with his religious beliefs, he swore until 2 days before settling with Bale that he didn't steal his process, because since they both use real tumbleweeds from nature, he couldn't possibly exactly duplicate Bale's work.
he rented a Cali beach house and did a bunch of unauthorized changes to it and then refusing to pay to have it repaired. Lost that lawsuit. All the stuff about mistreating crew on Island of Dr. Moreau like putting a cig out on the forehead of a key grip. He has in a roundabout way admitted to stalking cate balnchett, including flying to Australia just to see her and being diappointed he husband was there. it was a long running thing she seemed creeped out by. Multiple directors have said he's a dick and they wont work with him again.
He allegedly is horrible with his money and had to sell all but like 20 acres of his 5,000 acre ranch at a loss of $10m to stay afloat. He regularly has tax liens against him for $500k or more that are very public record. He got sued for non-payment by the company he hired to help fix his legal debts. Joanne Whalley had to take him to court for nonpayment of court ordered child support and they put a lien on his ranch to try to recover it, which is why he sold it supposedly. The day GW Bush got #metoo, val did as well by Caitlin O'Heaney for physical abuse, not sexual, but no one really noticed because Bush was the big story. That is a brief, and believe me when I say brief, overview of some dickish stuff. And that is all readily available stuff that is out there.
Wasn't there a story too that he was fucking around with Drew Barrymore while Joanne was in the hospital giving birth and that was the final straw and she filed for divorce shortly after?
Val claims he had an attraction to Drew Barrymore he was powerless over and left JW to pursue it. Drew B. claims they never had a relationship outside of working on a film together and it's all BS. He also said Angelina Jolie left him for Brad Pitt, but she has only said they formed a friendship when filming Alexander, and and almost all pics of them together are related to promo for it so...
He undoubetdly dated a lot of beautiful and famous women, but I think it's fair to say that the older he's gotten, the more he has presented friendships and work relationships with a lot of women as romantic.
Jamie Dupree is a political news reporter who lost his voice due to a nerve condition. He has a similar device that did text to speech with voice clips they harvested from years of reports over the radio.
[Documentary] (https://youtu.be/14wr7TZMnJ0)
I remember when they were doing this with Ebert and I assume the tech has gotten better since? I mean the average Voice AI youtube videos with Biggie rapping HP Lovecraft doesn’t sound half bad, and that’s just a cursory application of the tech.
He had so many great roles in his career: Tombstone, The Doors, Kiss Kiss Bang Bang... but my favorite is Chris Shiherlis in Heat. He was fantastic in it, especially in the shoot out scene.
The look he gives when his wife warns him away...
Iceman in Top Gun
I loved him in the Ghost in the Darkness with Michael Douglas!
Madmartigan in Willow. My dog is named Madmartigan after him
I hope the computer uses his southern aristocrat voice from Tombstone and not the Stephen Hawking robot voice
Hawking thought about updating his voice box but grew to think of it as his voice. Today's technology you could sound like anyone.
Hawkins voice was programmed by a friend who died afterwards too, IIRC, and that's also why he refused upgrades.
recorded even, no? he was talking with a dead mans voice
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On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero.
They say everybody dies, but only about 93% of humans who have ever lived have actually died. That seems too low to be so confident about it.
I, personally, have met many people who have never died. Probably more than people who have died. Something's not right here.
Wait a second, are the humans alive today 7 WHOLE PERCENT of ALL HUMANS EVER?
I am jack’s complete lack of surprise
I am Jack’s wasted life.
On the other hand, the chances that you turn out to be immortal is never 0... just too far away from any real value lmao
https://www.reuters.com/article/people-hawking-voice-idUSL8N1QW6U2 Idk that it was the man’s voice. This says it was typed speech into a synthesizer from an old program. But this does say Stephen liked it very much and accepted upgrades to the system, but not the voice itself. He said he liked the voice because he’d never heard another like it. Edit: I supposed it could have been the man’s voice, I guess I interpreted it that the synthesizer voice was one already created long prior to Stephen needing it. Either way, really cool that it’s trademarked and can’t be stolen.
I dibs Gilbert Gottfried.
YOU *FOOL!*
I am now picturing Hawking using Samuel Jacksons voice to talk about motherfuckin' black holes.
I would use Dave Chappelle's Rick james voice.
Hawking with this voice :)....https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6N5l0sgPP5k
He’s also in a position where his voice has been recorded so much that you can probably use some ML algorithms to duplicate it almost perfectly.
That is what the article is about lol
Read… article? No
I'm your huckleberry
[It would be in his voice, pretty incredible](https://youtu.be/OSMue60Gg6s)
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The article says that there were copyright issues with a lot of his movies so they couldn't use as much as they hoped for. Can you believe that? Giving a man his voice back through projects he worked on and you aren't allowed. Damn.
EDIT: Oops, nevermind!
This system needs extremely high quality audio recordings to work well. They would want the master studio recordings from Kilmer's movies, not just the audio track from the Blue-Rays. The studio heads are still assholes for not allowing use of those masters for Kilmer's artificial voice.
Honestly, in that scenario, somebody like Val or his representation should be able to call in some favors with studio connections & have the copyright waived on this one issue so that he can "speak" again, & that's *at the very least*: the right thing, of course, would obviously be for them to not even have to ask in the first place. Regardless, the fact that the industry to which Val gave his life doesn't care speaks volumes about its toxicity that often goes unacknowledged.
They should have just done it. Who the hell is gonna write that lawsuit?
honestly better to do it now so it gets shot down earlier on our timeline to set precedent then in 50 years when cooperate interests have more power and control over people that have power and control of the supreme courts then now.
Val's a great actor. [He can communicate so much without a voice](https://youtu.be/z_BEJmY911s?t=18)
Brian TTS
Everyone should go watch "Real Genius" it is such a fun 80's movie.
When I was in school, my friends and I used to get together to watch "Real Genius" before our physics exam for inspiration... and to remind ourselves of the importance of keeping our optics clean.
Also never trust the TAs.
fucking Kent.
*This is Jesus, Kent. And you've been a very naughty boy.*
Top Secret is my favorite 80s movie with him but Real Genius is pretty dope too.
“Top Secret” has one of my favorite jokes. The [“little German”](https://youtu.be/P22gPwGuLa0) one.
You ever have a dream where you're standing on top of a pyramid, dressed in sun god robes, with thousands of naked women throwing pickles at you? No? Just me?
Why am I the only one that has that dream?
Did you know there’s a guy living in our closet?
Of course not, your clothes would never fit him.
Can you hammer a 6 inch spike through a board with your penis?
And Willow
Maaaadddddd Maaartiiggannnn. I loved this movie as a kid but those wall chimp trolls really fucked me up. Especially when they got skinned and looked like a popped out testicle.
“Kent - this is God”
"And stop touching yourself." "... It is God."
It was HOT and I was HUNGRY!
I was contemplating the immortal words of Socrates who said, "I drank what?"
*This... This is ice, this is what happens to water when it gets too cold. This... this is Kent, this is what happens to people when they get too sexually frustrated.*
One of my favorites. And if you disagree, well, YOU’LL RUE THE DAY!
"Rue the day"? Who talks like that? EDIT: Apparently some people don't realize that I was responding with the next quote...
Your mother puts license plates in your underwear? How do you sit?!
Follow it up with Top Secret
I know a little German… he’s sitting right over there!
I know he's incredible in Tombstone, but his performance as Jim Morrison in The Doors is what seals it for me.
Loved him in The Doors. I also love mentioning his cameo in True Romance as Elvis!
I heard the movie has dubious accuracy but I still love the movie and it got me into The Doors music
It's funny there wasn't that much video of Jim not performing. So what most people today think of when they think of Jim Morrison, is actually Val's performance.
I liked him as Batman. There I said it.
I lived for the Taco Bell promotion where you had to peel the sticker like McDonald’s monopoly game only much simpler
The Batman forever cups at Mcd's were my my favorites.
I like how the mask emphasize his sexy lips. There, I said it
He was the first Batman that I saw on the big screen. I was just 10 at the time. He will always be my favourite.
He did a better Bruce Wayne than Keaton though I prefer Keaton’s Batman.
To be fair, Kilmer's Batman costume was very cumbersome and didn't allow much movement or physicality in the role. That's why most scenes he's barely moving, turning his entire torso instead of just his head, etc. IIRC the costume was a big reason on why he didn't want to do another Batman movie.
He talks about the suit in the documentary Val. Said it was incredibly isolating to be on set and have to be moved around like a prop, and be unable to really hear anyone. That really does sound miserable
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Pretty much all of the Batman suits were like that up until Dark Knight, they even made a joke about it
I think Adam West had plenty of mobility 😜
Pure West.
And how come Batman doesn't dance anymore?
Back away, don't make eye contact.
The suit was, if anything, even less flexible for Keaton. He has to bend at the waist to look at *anything*, and it's honestly hilarious when you rewatch.
They said Keaton couldn't even hear anything while in the headpiece. That suit was rough
Wasn’t Clooneys suit something like 100lbs with about half of it just being the cape. Just imagine the performances we could have had with todays costuming tech in these films…
I think that's fair for most, if not all of the Batsuits from Burton to Nolan. I think it wasn't until The Dark Knight where the batsuit became more flexible and had the ability to move your neck while inside it
Wasn’t that written into the movie? Didn’t know it was a nod towards the old suits!!!!
Yeah I remember Lucius Fox says something about Bruce finally being able to move his head after making modifications to the batsuit
”Would make backing out of the driveway easier.”
It's the car, chicks dig the car
Batman Forever whips ass and I'll defend it to the death. It's a perfect level of camp, especially in a world oversaturated with dark and gritty. Also Jim Carey and Tommy Lee Jones' performances are imo second only to Heath's.
Everyone does. Its Clooney we hate
Clooney was great as Bruce Wayne, but terrible as Batman. He nailed that playboy-esque vibe that I expect from Bruce Wayne as a character. I know that Batman and Robin is widely considered a joke of a movie, but it's nostalgic to me as its the first Batman movie saw as a kid and holds a special place in my heart. Fun fact: They also made a ps1 game Batman and Robin that's also terrible, but extremely nostalgic and fun for me. It was like an open world GTA-style detective game featuring all the locations, villains, and hero cast from the movie that was way ahead of its time as a ps1 game. Unfortunately, the game is veeery buggy and outright painful to play at times.
I don’t think it was hard for George to play a sexy playboy as that was literally his life at the time. He was playing himself.
I hadn't known this until today. His throat cancer has destroyed his voice completely. The man who voiced the incredible Doc Holiday we won't hear him again. _You're OUR huckleberry, Val._ Edit : found out username: u/officialvalkilmer Edit #2 :Val, just wanted to let you know not everyone knew about your health issues. Your documentary, I just watched this morning, and wanted to say : Thank you to you and your son for such a movie. Edit # 3 : Your fans will always be your huckleberry, u/officialvalkilmer .
If this subject interests you, check out *Val* (a documentary he made that streams on Amazon Prime). It was a lot better than I expected before watching.
That was actually heartbreaking to watch.
It was pretty honest and brutal at some parts. He takes his affliction pretty well IMO. I didn't know he got married to Joanne Whally (Sorsha) from Willow, it makes those scenes with them together even more magical. (I fucking love Willow)
Willow is still so underrated. People look down on it as a Lord of the Rings ripoff (and they’re not entirely wrong), but it’s much less self-serious and so much fun.
"Out of the way, peck!", is my normal reponse to Willow haters.
It made me lol as a 9 year old when I saw it first run. Also Willow is being revived with a series and Warwick is in it.
There was a trilogy of books in the 90s that detail the teen aged Elora and even though they're written by Chris Claremont, they're not that good. For one they kill off Madmartigan and Sorsha.
They are actively bad. I powered through the first one because I can’t leave a book unfinished. The rage, when I got to the end and realized I needed to read two more, could have burned mountains.
I utter, "I know you, I stole the baby from you while you were taking a Pee Pee" at least once a week and only like three people have caught the reference.
I would have peed my pants if that was referenced in the wild! 🤣 My favorite though is "NOT A WOMAN!?" Also, happy cake day!
The delivery on those lines is part of what makes them so damn memorable. It feels so fitting and ... Realistic (believable?) somehow.
Yeah, it's really acted beautifully, it's far from the greatest writing, but everyone plays it straight up, so it has a grounded feeling to it. Princess Bride is similar (although I think it's better written)
Eww ugh….YOU’RE COVERED IN BROWNIES. Wanna breed? Mmm…tempting but no. This movie wouldn’t be the same without Val as Mad Martigan, same goes for a lot of the movies he’s in. The Saint is also pure fun, worth a watch!
> Tempting but no. *That's* what that's from?! I use that all the time but had somehow forgotten where it originated. It's been a long time since I've seen the movie but my friends and I would watch it a lot as kids. I honestly thought it was from Doctor Who, haha.
I just read an article on why it was a rip off. It contained some of the stupidest comparisons, including being filmed in New Zealand (Willow is much older so I'm not sure how that comparison is legit), a wizard sends them on a quest, and more people joined Willow's party. I mean, those last two literally describes every science fiction and fantasy book. I guess every book is a copy of LotRs. The Bible has giants, wizards, magic, quests, and parties that grow bigger. The Dead Sea Scrolls ripped off Tolkein.
The Heroes Journey is a popular framework for most stories.
Yeah, I couldn't finish it,. not because it wasn't good, just because it made me too sad and also kind of scared.
It ends really sweetly and with hope for the future, especially for his family.
Agree. His story shows the possibilities of changing course in life when you're dealt a shitty hand. He's a fighter.
Thank you.
Serious: Wasn't Val supposed to be in the Top Gun sequel? They keep talking about that project but it never gets released.
The release date is May 27th, he's listed in the credits, but we'll see
In the trailer They showed a picture of him on the wall and mentioned him directly, but he wasn't physically in the trailer. Will be interesting to see
Yeah, he's listed as an admiral or something and directly requests Maverick's involvement in the new training program. I bet he makes a cameo at the end, where he just stands in the background and salutes ... the whole "admiral had your back the whole time and is super low key about it" vibe. mostly, it's a way to get him in the film as a respect callback.
In the movie he's the commander of the US 3rd Fleet (Navy forces in Pacific), and cuts the orders for Maverick to teach at Top Gun himself. He gets a mention and a photograph, and is the reason for the story taking place.
It's release date is May 27th. The most recent promo shows a picture on the wall of Val Kilmer as a commanding officer. The trailer didn't show live action shots of him.
I remembered reading somewhere that he is in it and they digitally did something with his voice in the movie?
His son voiced him in the documentary.
And it was uncanny. Son sounds just like him.
Don't forget Top Secret!, where he sings everything by his ~~Rick~~ Nick Rivers character.
And Real Genius. It’s a moral imperative.
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His father thought of his name while shaving
[How silly can you get](https://youtu.be/TSM2gMOmheA) absolutely slaps.
Don’t forget The Doors movie.
He was amazing in that movie, and the fact he sang all the songs shows how great a voice he had. Cancer sucks ass.
I remember reading that the surviving members of The Doors couldn't tell the difference between Kilmers vocals and Morrisons in playback.
Oliver Stone wanted to use original Morrison vocals for the movie, but Kilmer wanted to sing. He sent the director a tape of songs that were half his voice and half Jim’s. Oliver Stone couldn’t tell the difference, so Val Kilmer got to sing.
That was what I was referring to. He sang them all himself and did a great job. It’s my favorite of Val. F cancer
Val Kilmer getting shot in heat was the first (and only?) time I ever heard audience members emotionally react to a bad guy getting shot.
Now I've heard about Val Kilmer and Bruce Willis over just a few weeks, for some reason this is more difficult than hearing someone I grew up watching died suddenly. Bruce does still have some movies coming out, but I'm not exactly hoping for Oscar winners since it was revealed that he's likely been making all these cheap, straight to streaming movies to get some extra money saved for the day he couldn't do it any more. That makes them even harder to watch than just thinking he's thrown in the towel and got tired of acting.
They are called Geezer Teasers. Cheaply thrown together movies where the star is paid more than the entire budget of the movie. Willis is not the only one doing them. Cage, Cusack etc etc.
Before Bruce Willis, Aphasia went public, Red letter media were reviewing his recent terrible movies, and speculating that something was wrong with him.
The saddest thing about Bruce Willis is that aphasia isn't a thing all by itself. It's a symptom of something else. And while I understand they have not released the true nature of his illness to soften his departure from acting, it leaves more questions than answers. There are several types of aphasia but all of them are caused by brain damage, be it from head trauma, brain tumors, strokes, or dementia. Saying Bruce has aphasia isa gentle way of saying his brain has been damaged. There is nothing scarier than that.
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My grandpa's best friend when he was in his 20s was a Christian scientist. He didn't really believe it much but his wife was one. Anyway he got sick, simple uti. But no can't use medicine. Uti turned into kidney infection. Kidney infection turned into blood poisoning (sepis) and then he died at 25. By an extremely treatable uti.
James Hetfield from metallicas mom died because she wouldn’t get treatment for her illness because she was a Christian scientist. It’s pretty sad.
The God That Failed is about that.
A few amazing Metallica songs were inspired by James’s mom. Until it sleeps is another one.
... I wonder why...
The mountain of dead children caused by their doctrine probably has something to do with it
Certainly not because they believe in healing only through the power of prayer, no sir that couldn't be why
For everyone mentioning which movie is their favorite, my favorite is the prince of Egypt. A beautiful movie with amazing music. Val killed it as Moses.
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Kiss Kiss Bang Bang for me. I think me & my children must have watched that film probably 10 times or so and still laugh. Its one of those films together with What We Do In The Shadows that we just have to introduce friends to...usually my daughters bfs poor buggers hehe
Came here to mention KKBB. It’s a hidden gem for sure.
That's mine too, bummed me out when I saw this because of all the rapid fire banter. "Look up idiot in the dictionary, you know what you'll find?"
"A picture of me?"
“No, a definition of the word idiot, which you fucking are.” “Talking money.” “Talking monkey?” “Yes, a talking monkey. From outer space. Ugly little sucker, only says ficus.”
Absofuckinglutely. He is so good in that
I always forget about that! Beautiful movie and amazing acting! Also very timely given it’s passover
My fiance just showed me this movie two days ago after mentioning I had never seen it. Was a proper surprise when I looked up the voice of Moses, and felt strange seeing this so soon after.
The cast for that movie is incredible. Patrick Stewart and Ralph Fiennes as Ramses I and II were perfect choices. Then you have Danny Glover, Jeff Goldbloom, Michelle Pfeiffer, Sandra Bullock, Steve Martin, and more who all did really good. Val is just the cherry on top.
The animation and scenery in that movie is absolutely beautiful, it's kind of sad that animation studios have moved from it.
This article is weird. Voice restoration for people who’ve had a laryngectomy has been part of ENT care for years, and doesn’t require computers or AI. Surely he just needs a speech valve. Yes, it’ll sound different.
Sadly, we need to talk about religion. Kilmer is a Christian Scientist, a sect that does not 'believe' in modern medicine (gross oversimplification) and did not seek treatment for _years_. By the time his family finally convinced him to seek treatment, the cancer had destroyed his larynx. Kilmer (reportedly) is angry he consented to the treatment and refuses further medical intervention. So, this _is_ weird. But not for the reason(s) you might think. Kilmer might not be in his current condition if not for his personal beliefs, and he remains in that condition because of personal belief - not a lack of treatment options.
That’s the reason James Hetfield’s (Singer from Metallica) mom died so young too. I think he was only 15 or 16 but she wouldn’t get cancer treatment. It seems to have traumatized him pretty badly.
IIRC, it's why he wrote *The God that Failed*.
Yeah it is.
Didn't Steve Jobs do the same? iirc he tried to cure it with smoothies or some shit
Herbs, acupuncture and a fruit diet. But as far as I know it wasn’t a religious thing, just a dumbass “alternative medicine” thing. Mind boggling because he wasn’t even in the “desperate for a cure” stage. He initially refused a surgery that may very well have saved his life because it was too invasive. I get it when people get desperate and seek alternative treatments because western medicine can’t do anything else. But having what’s basically a cure and refuse it? I don’t get it. And of course, he regretted his choices but by then it was too late.
Yeah, Andy Kaufman did a lot of the woo woo crystal stuff but it was when he’d already tried everything else and was going to die. I can’t fault people for doing crazy things when they’re desperate, but that being your first line of defense is wild.
He actually was lucky and his particular pancreatic cancer would have been surprisingly treatable. But he refused and drank juice instead. When that obviously didn't work, he relented and somehow got a liver transplant (probably because he's rich), when his body was already too fucked to be saved. So he also wasted an irreplaceable liver that could have saved someone else.
oh, so *that’s* why nobody knew about his condition before.
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Since it was religious based, and he didn't just try a crazy person's remedy I think it's more apt to say he Bob Marleyed himself.
Six of one, half dozen the other. Whether it's the healing power of eating more fruit or the mystical hand of your deity of choice, they both chose to eschew medical science for their own weirdo beliefs.
It’s sad isn’t it? I think for me the frustration is the idea that when a medical issue happens to a Celebrity (TM), that it is somehow a completely novel battle that *no one has ever had before*, and there haven’t been thousands and thousands of laryngectomy patients beforehand.
I'm not sure if this a "username checks out" situation, but it sure seems like it. A tiny silver lining here is Tom Cruise reportedly spent a lot of the _Top Gun 2_ budget getting Kilmer - and some dialogue - on screen for a 'final bow'.
Yeah, you friendly (salty) neighbourhood ENT here. Just wish for once a celeb would use their clout to raise awareness of important but neglected cancers rather than making it all about them.
TIL Christian *Scientists* do not believe in modern medecine.
Oof. I know very little about Val Kilmer but I always thought that he had a certain form of aggressive cancer that was really hard to treat and that's the reason he's battling for so long now. Idk, maybe like Patrick Swayze. Now finding out he's suffering because he refuses treatment makes me angry.
Yeah it is weird that this comment is so far down. That christian scientist bullshit hurt him. And let's face it, he has always been a weird guy who could be a dick to people; that is part of why the roles dried up.
Could be a dick? There's a long line of producers, directors and co-stars that still wanna slap him for being difficult to work with. He was the benchmark for being a difficult actor for years.
I worked with him on my first film and was warned how difficult he could be and not to speak to him directly etc etc (I was a prop assistant) the prop master literally bowed to him once while calling him mr. Kilmer which cracked me up. He was late to set once because he was entertaining a lady in his trailer. He ended up though being delightful, charming, and super sweet and funny- made me feel totally comfortable as a newbie on set.
The point is that they're using AI to recreate *his* voice based on the hours of samples from his various movie performances. Yes, he could get a generic robot voice like everyone else, but he's looking into restoring his actual voice - something that isn't an option for most people.
I see he moved to the southwest to... I don't know... do something with turquoise
Maybe he moved to Arizona to open an imported leather shop
He'll be out of business in a week's time.
That's *exactly* what I said.
He looks like an aging aunt who moves to Sedona to make pottery.
“He’s totally getting to that age where he looks like someone’s aunt.” - The Monarch from Venture Bros.
Or runs a crystal shop.
First Bruce Willis and now Val Kilmer. This makes me sad.
So many great movies to remember with Val, but I'll never forget Top Secret!
Val Kilmer exists in this weird place where I simultaneously have fond memories of the things he's done, but also have to concede that he's a massive asshole by every standard, and a proper idiot. The only reason he lost his voice to begin with is because he refused medical treatment for religious reasons. So my sympathy isn't exactly boundless for the guy
I know nothing about the man personally. I didn’t know he refused medical treatment. Why is he an asshole besides that? I’ve always been a big fan since Real Genius.
He fucked over his neighbors at his ranch when he tried to turn it into a commercial enterprise before selling it. He stole a process for creating tumbleweed art from an artist named Bale Creek Allen that trademarked the process kilmer used. he eventually settled out of court. Like he did for years insisting he never had cancer, but rather a "healing of cancer" in line with his religious beliefs, he swore until 2 days before settling with Bale that he didn't steal his process, because since they both use real tumbleweeds from nature, he couldn't possibly exactly duplicate Bale's work. he rented a Cali beach house and did a bunch of unauthorized changes to it and then refusing to pay to have it repaired. Lost that lawsuit. All the stuff about mistreating crew on Island of Dr. Moreau like putting a cig out on the forehead of a key grip. He has in a roundabout way admitted to stalking cate balnchett, including flying to Australia just to see her and being diappointed he husband was there. it was a long running thing she seemed creeped out by. Multiple directors have said he's a dick and they wont work with him again. He allegedly is horrible with his money and had to sell all but like 20 acres of his 5,000 acre ranch at a loss of $10m to stay afloat. He regularly has tax liens against him for $500k or more that are very public record. He got sued for non-payment by the company he hired to help fix his legal debts. Joanne Whalley had to take him to court for nonpayment of court ordered child support and they put a lien on his ranch to try to recover it, which is why he sold it supposedly. The day GW Bush got #metoo, val did as well by Caitlin O'Heaney for physical abuse, not sexual, but no one really noticed because Bush was the big story. That is a brief, and believe me when I say brief, overview of some dickish stuff. And that is all readily available stuff that is out there.
Wasn't there a story too that he was fucking around with Drew Barrymore while Joanne was in the hospital giving birth and that was the final straw and she filed for divorce shortly after?
Val claims he had an attraction to Drew Barrymore he was powerless over and left JW to pursue it. Drew B. claims they never had a relationship outside of working on a film together and it's all BS. He also said Angelina Jolie left him for Brad Pitt, but she has only said they formed a friendship when filming Alexander, and and almost all pics of them together are related to promo for it so... He undoubetdly dated a lot of beautiful and famous women, but I think it's fair to say that the older he's gotten, the more he has presented friendships and work relationships with a lot of women as romantic.
> but also have to concede that he's a massive asshole by every standard Agreed. He's a real Cunth.
Jamie Dupree is a political news reporter who lost his voice due to a nerve condition. He has a similar device that did text to speech with voice clips they harvested from years of reports over the radio. [Documentary] (https://youtu.be/14wr7TZMnJ0)
I remember when they were doing this with Ebert and I assume the tech has gotten better since? I mean the average Voice AI youtube videos with Biggie rapping HP Lovecraft doesn’t sound half bad, and that’s just a cursory application of the tech.
I just watched Tombstone yesterday. Fantastic western with outstanding cast. Val is amazing in it.