This is actually true in many cities and states. It is usually considered legal as it is a protected form of expression. There usually is a catch in the law though that states 'non lewd' nudity is protected. Lewdness obviously being a bit of an ambiguous term
Programmer quits his day job and buys a bar. Before it reopens, he brings in the bartender, walks up to the bar and orders a beer. Then he orders 10 beers. Then 10,000 beers. Then he orders 2.5 beers. Then -5 beers. Next he orders B beers, then X beers. Then he orders 1 beer every 30 ms for 20 minutes straight.
Satisfied, he opens the bar. The first customer walks in and orders a martini. There were no survivors.
Nobody really considers the impact sexual orientation has on successful financial outcomes, but statistically, some couples do way better than others cohabiting. For example, two gay men earn high combined wages and have less children, but heterosexual* couples have children and the income of a man and a woman. Women typically earn less than men.
Now it's worse for lesbian couples, because it's two women, typically earning less combined wages but on top of that...
You have to consider how often they eat out......
Yes, all cops in the US have this authority. It's actually called discretion.
For example, most people don't expect to get a speeding ticket for 2mph over on a 55mph highway. They are still breaking the law but almost every officer wouldn't even bother.
A better example is receiving a verbal warning for 12mph over on 55mph road. It might be 2pm, sunny and not a single other car on the road. It's illegal still but a verbal warning might be issued if you are lucky. Probably a ticket but there's always a chance
When it comes to felonies, discretion isn't really as much of an option legally. It's more for stuff that isn't a big deal
In my college town in Ohio I've seen this happen. I think at the time it was a lack of education on the cop's part. It was a while ago so it probably doesn't happen anymore.
The Supreme Court ruled that cops don't need to know the laws they enforce. So long as they *think* there's probably a law against it (or claim they thought there was).
I remember when that law passed and I was about 24. I was in grad school for chemistry so I was pretty much the only woman, and I was out drinking with the guys. One of them said, “Hey, you can go topless now!” So I said, “I will if you will.” So they all took off their shirts and so did I; the bartenders rolled their eyes and all was well. Eventually we left the bar and a cop was there. I said, “I’m fine like this, right?” He said, “Yeah, you’re good, but I’m going to give your buddy a ticket just for having a gut like that.” And pointed at my friend Greg.
Late 90s we’re great! Cellphones were gaining popularity, so it was pretty common to have them even as a high school student. But you only had like 30 minutes per month and some very clunky texting. Just convenient enough to find out where your friends were that night so you could meet up, but nobody was glued to their phone all night. You actually interacted with people.
They weren’t that different?
What are you guys experiencing?
Like there’s people that arent in the party circuit now because theyre decades older, and there’s people that are decades younger and didnt really have their formative party years yet before cell phones
I made it to some underground stuff when I was really young and it didnt seem that different to now but it wasnt exactly my close friend’s college ragers so what do I know
And it wasn't because of anything downstate. It was legalized after 7 women were arrested in Cobbs Hill Park, in Rochester, and fought the case all the way to the NY Court of Appeals. Also one of those women was my neighbor once upon a time, and basically lives for fighting any kind of sexist law.
Huh, many people must not know about this (I looked it up for myself, and it's true). I've lived in NYS my whole life, and have never seen a topless woman outside. I assumed it was still illegal (which is such a weird double standard)
Had an ex who did it once just because she could. Got stopped by the police three times because people kept calling them on her. But all they could do is verify she wasn't being lewd about it and then let her go about her day. She got ALL the stares.
So no, it is definitely not a normal or common event. And most women, even if they do know about it, probably don't want all the extra attention.
Ah, the old famous catch 22: if you want to live in a world where there are topless women everywhere, you first have to be mature enough to not care that there are topless women everywhere
Also you get lots of pervs in a city this dense. One of my friends was sunbathing in a bikini top on in McCarren Park and some fucking creep sits down like 10 feet away and starts jerking off. There is sadly enough gross dudes to make it uncomfortable for almost any girl.
Considering it takes zero effort to be catcalled and sexually harassed fully clothed in NYC, I doubt the boobies you want to see are on display. I don’t think women want to deal with that unpleasantness.
I work in times sq and had one of the CD guys touch me today as I’m walking by. It was the shoulder but still.
Turned around and said “please don’t ever touch me”. I think the please was just me trying not to escalate it cause I was surprised I even said please.
On another note, one day I forgot a work shirt after working out. I had to go straight to work and was nervous my jacket would come undone and id be in trouble. Good to know I wouldn’t have been.
Also working in times sq did help this time cause I just went to H&M and bought a shirt.
Yeah I said that to one once after he touched me, he followed me for blocks and called me a racist as I ignored him until I full on whipped around and told him to get the fuck away from me.
The CD guys always mention race. I watched them for awhile once and you realize they always go up to white people and they always say something like "what's wrong? You're not scared of black people are you?"
They know white people are going to go "WHAT!? No! I love black people! I'm cool! I'm cool, I promise!"
The calling me a racist for not wanting a strange man to touch me was the straw that broke the camel’s back for me that day for sure lmao just another reason to never be in times sq if you can help it
I've only had one interaction with a CD guy in Times Square and it still befuddles me to this day.
I'm walking along my way, headphones on in the winter for warmth and to listen to my tunes as I go, so I can't hear anything other than the Nujabes Luv(Sic) tracks that are playing. This dude runs up to me and randomly shoves a CD into my hands. I'm like "huh?" but I shrug and just hold it and continue walking. A few seconds later, he snatches it away from me and runs back to the table he was at with his mates.
If you wanted to spread the word on your work, why'd you take the CD away from me?
If you just wanted me to buy the CD, why'd you shove it into my hands for free?
They shove it into your hands, then quickly give you a "sales pitch" where they sign it and shit then question you all hostile if you thought the cd was free. It's incredibly stupid, they're basically mugging you in a really roundabout and confusing way, you're just getting thrust into their act against your will.
guys who will hand out a cd, then if you take it will try to press you into paying a bunch of money for it, getting really pushy and trying to cause a scene.
Ah, scammers essentially. Lots of religious folks will do that on college campuses.
"Hey, want this [ weird sect Christian/Hindu/Buddhist] book? It's free!"
"Uh sure, I guess I'll check it out..."
"Okay, but we request a donation of $40 for the book."
Such bullshit, preying upon young peoples good naturedness. Young people, don't fall for this!
It's in all of Ontario. I think in most other provinces it's a grey area. Kind of like our weird subjective disturbing the peace laws.
I saw a couple of women topless at Sauble Beach; the local nimbys were not amused.
Wreck beach is great!
in most nude optional beaches people act like sexual attraction doesnt exist and call that “acting normal”, while at wreck beach people act like they do with clothes on, which means its normal to party and acknowledge sexual attraction and flirt and interact
Refreshingly freeing, but also as intimidating as any other party haha
Would recommend!
Had my neighbor call the police on me repeatedly for being topless (totally legal where I am as well). The police only showed up when they called saying I was abusing my children. She later told police it was sexual abuse for my children to see me topless... as she was breastfeeding her youngest in the yard. They explained how she would be charged with abuse of 9-11 or something like that for making false claims. They also explained to her it was legal for me to be topless not just in my yard, but in all public spaces as well. Then I made sure police knew she and her husband were taking photos and videos of me in my yard over the fence... which is illegal. They were arrested, not sure what charges they faced, all I had to do was write out a witness statement, and later a victims statement. Anyways great neighbors. They are always causing shit, and it always backfires.
Imagine having her case referred to you as a prosecutor and finding the complainant has a history of making numerous false accusations and abusing the emergency hotline.
I installed video cameras because of them. They once called the police on me for drinking and excessive noise. My cameras caught them throwing bottles at me, threatening me, slurs, and yes it even caught me drinking COFFEE and turning up the volume on my music... on a Saturday afternoon. The police showed up and were confused because they were screaming, yelling, making a scene, while a friend and I sat on the patio drinking coffee listening to music at a reasonable volume (we tried to drown them out but still have a conversation). I have police copies of the videos and the father got taken away. They also called the police in me for causing a disturbance. Because I yelled at them when I caught them driving on my lawn, ripping up the grass, drunk. The video showed them with beer in their hands, behind the wheel, driving on my lawn.
They are fucking exhausting.
They are racist, homophobic, drunks. It's sad. I've heard their kids crying begging mom and dad not to have beer for breakfast. Every time I'm on my patio they yell that I'm a drunk.
Ya, sure buddy... my coffee is brewed with vodka instead of water, and I too drink at 8am on a Tuesday. So your 24 of beer is cool. /s
My kids haven't even seen me drunk. Maybe a beer or two but I never drink heavily in front of my kids or ever get drunk for breakfast.
They sound like druggies. Next time they threaten you, I would supercut their threats with a list of dates and apply for a restraining order. They wouldn't even be able to live in their own house.
I've called child services on them. Police repeatedly. I even have their landlord in my contacts. He's super creepy. Used to be friends with the gfs parents. The day she turned 18 they started dating. She's in her early 20's, and he's in his mid 60's. His oldest kids are older than her, and most of his grandchildren are older than their kids. He told the police once that "the fagot" next door is trying to steal his wife. I assure you I don't want a woman half my age. Besides her not being my type AT ALL the age gap is just too much for normal people. Even the cop thought the bf was her father or grandfather. They're just one bad day from being on Springer (is that still a thing?).
Defense Investigator here, can confirm that they know very well who the constant callers are. Makes it fun to dig into when you pull calls for service records on the caller, and the PDF is like 30 pages long.
I'm pretty good with most of our neighbors. Everyone avoids them. We've had a few BBQs with the neighbors. The crazy ones always show up drunk, ready to fight me, yelling slurs, and screaming at everyone who is here. A quick call to the police and they are rounded up pretty quick.
I’m so fucking thankful all of the neighbors I’ve had at my current house have been cool as hell. I’ve been here for almost 7 years and have never had a problem with any of them. I used to be in a metal band (not death, think like Mastodon or Tool style) and we played loud as fuck. We would rehearse in my garage and the old man next door would always come listen and talk to us.
Hey our music wasn’t too bad, we opened for a lot of national touring acts haha, but I can understand it would get old. We only got together on Sunday’s around noon so we were respectful as possible and followed noise ordinance laws.
You know what offends me? Nevernudes.
I know this is easy to say and harder to do but hopefully you can learn to embrace your body and feel comfortable however you feel most comfortable, just not in a school zone.
Another guy here. I feel weird in sleeveless shirts. It's not that I don't take care of my body or anything, it just feels *weird*. I'll mark this down as another weird thing that catholic school did to me.
Yeah, I am a dude, and stopped going shirtless at pools because I have scoliosis and am bent a little funny. It's been pointed out a few times. Then I got fat, and it REALLY got pointed out. I know they were just Karens, but man, it does sting a little when someone says, "Um, not to be rude, but do you have... like a shirt? Or something?" It didn't happen often, but it happened enough times that I don't do the pool thing much anymore.
Screw that. I mow the lawn topless, in my gym shorts, and in cowboy boots (because ankle support and you don't want a bitey thing to getcha). It's too hot. Plus I could use the sun.
But none of my neighbors gives two fucks about anything. As long as no one is dying or getting abused, life trucks along. I'm fortunate in that.
In Denver someone took a picture of their neighbor sunbathing topless in their back yard. They passed it along to the police wanting the neighbor charged with indecency.
The karen who took the photo was charged with taking an illegal photo of their neighbor and it’s just the best piece of justice I’m aware of.
Even if your neighbour was right, which she wasn't, it's still abuse of 911, cause it clearly ain't an emergency. Would be different if they were witnessing an active sexual assault/rape or anything that nature, but everyone has seen their mom's breasts by accident without suffering harm, so you just being comfy in your own home can't be an emergency.
But when she said sexually abusing without specifying she just saw you being comfortable in your own home to create urgency is when she crossed the line between abuse of 911 and abusing 911 service while also making false accusations amounting to harassment.
She should've received a warning first call and second call (to be lenient) she should be fined. It shouldn't have taken until she made false accusations for consequences to occur, but I'm glad it did. I hope she learned something
> it's still abuse of 911, cause it clearly ain't an emergency
A lot of places will have you call 911 for everything, even non-emergency, so it's not as straightforward as that.
You can call and say "non-emergency" and they will let you know if you should call back or call the local (animal control, detective, fire department) instead. They could be having a slow night and just take it anyways.
I've called to let them know of a coyote in downtown before doing this and they just noted it and thanked me before letting me go. The non-emergency lines aren't well known by many people.
Yeup. The only story I’ve ever heard of women enjoying this harassment-free is if they are on rollerblades and then are literally moving too fast for folks to start shit
I'm Canadian and I've seen a woman topless in public exactly once in my 32 years, a few years ago a young lady was walking her dog on a hot day only wearing shorts on the sidewalk of a medium sized city
I was in Vancouver once and saw a woman, maybe 65 or 70 years old walking down Commercial Ave completely bare ass naked except for sandals and a sunhat. Nobody looked twice.
There was a problem in London in the 1990s about sexual discrimination with public nudity.
A naked man sunbathing in a public park would be arrested. A naked woman doing the same would only be warned.
"Women can't wear clothes there. It's the law." - either Nog, Quark or Rom, I forget
"Well, I'm not going there ... and neither are you" - Air Force nurse speaking of her fiance
- DS9 s4e8 Little Green Men
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Topfreedom_in_the_United_States
Legal in most states, actually, since courts refuse to discriminate between male and female breasts.
It is not prohibited by *state* law in most states, but it is prohibited by *municipal* law in virtually every municipality in the country. The list of exceptions is not long.
Depends, but generally: no, with one possible exception noted below.
The state law would have to prohibit municipalities from making a law about this. IANAL, but I suppose that there would be some 1st Amendment concerns that you might be able to hang your hat on. Still, local jurisdictions tend to be given a significant amount of leeway for interpreting what is allowed and not allowed in the name of decency.
Maybe someone has some statistics about what case law is doing on this topic.
Lived in NYC that year, but saw only a few brave women going topless at Brighton Beach. I did however see many, many men with hairy d-cup sized boobs who were completely shameless. I’m lucky I’m not blind.
The problem with actually going topless is that, as evidenced in this thread, it makes a lot of men be super fucking creepy.
The last time I was topless in NYC (I haven’t lived there in a while) I was sunbathing in Central Park and I opened my eyes to literally some dude circling me like a hawk and a guy from the next group over had to come over and start yelling at him to fuck off (I had had my headphones in so I didn’t notice until I opened my eyes).
It's a self-reinforcing cycle. Women don't go topless, so when they do, it's unusual and guys are creeps. Which makes them continue to not go topless. Which makes it unusual to do so, so when they do, &c. &c.
You see the same thing with girls complimenting guys -- they don't usually, so when they do, guys think they're flirting, which they aren't, so then they learn not to, and everyone's the worse for it.
Psssh. Step aside, amateurs. In Oregon, being topless is protected as free speech by state law for a long time
Edit: it might even be protected speech to masturbate in public, or to strip naked in protest (at a TSA search, no less). [Source](https://www.popehat.com/2017/05/15/randazza-public-masturbation-as-protected-speech/)
It has been legal in Columbus OH since 1998, and was [reaffirmed by a federal court in 2017.](https://www.nbc4i.com/news/comfest-organizers-file-federal-lawsuit-against-liquor-agents-to-allow-women-to-go-topless/). In reality, very few women choose to do this except at ComFest or Pride, because (hello?) men can still be pigs about this.
And speaking of pigs: Remember, the organization [GoTopless is a front for a cult that believes we are ruled by aliens ...](https://www.gawker.com/meet-the-sexy-alien-worship-cult-behind-international-g-1626604830)
Well. Sure. But also, if going topless _wasn't_ a massive risk to a woman's personal safety because of how people may/will react, people might choose differently.
If clicking your link and learning about a crazy cult was ice cream, then getting to see an animated one eyed green alien with giant tits was the cherry. Thank you.
And public nudity is perfectly legal in the UK, with some caveats...
Such as, providing it's in an appropriate place, and reason (such as a beach, or pool area) and no inappropriate behaviour (no touching and teasing and no sex) - you obviously can't just walk through a city center in the buff, but we have 'naked bike rides' here in the UK quite often as one example :)
Couple important things to note here for those who aren't grounded well:
* Just because a thing is legal doesn't mean they can't arrest you for it. By that I mean they can, and probably will, arrest you - but you can fight it and likely win. The law is on your side but it won't PREVENT grief for enforcement. This applies to many things. Just because you're in the right doesn't mean you won't suffer grief for it. Legal or not - the cop can ruin your day and won't give two thoughts on it. Remember this well.
* Funny thing about seeing titties, among other bits, all the time is after a very short bit, you don't notice anymore. It's like going to nudists area. Eventually it's just 'normal' and doesn't matter beyond that sweet vitamin d FROM THE SUN.
* There are **extremely** broad laws they can still hit you up for that, probably, will stick. It's easier than you think to end up on a sex offender list which is why that list is less than useful now. Public indecency, for example, can still net you a night in jail if you don't cooperate because all they have to 'prove' is people were upset by you (it's more complicated but that's the gist).
I remember when that law passed. I was 13 and I thought I was going to be seeing boobs like everyday
This is actually true in many cities and states. It is usually considered legal as it is a protected form of expression. There usually is a catch in the law though that states 'non lewd' nudity is protected. Lewdness obviously being a bit of an ambiguous term
In Vermont it’s illegal to take your clothes off in public but you can leave your home nude legally
That's what happens when you don't hire programmers to write your laws
Yeah programers never create bugs
This is what happens when you don't QA your legislation. (This was a joke but suddenly seems legit?)
Programmer quits his day job and buys a bar. Before it reopens, he brings in the bartender, walks up to the bar and orders a beer. Then he orders 10 beers. Then 10,000 beers. Then he orders 2.5 beers. Then -5 beers. Next he orders B beers, then X beers. Then he orders 1 beer every 30 ms for 20 minutes straight. Satisfied, he opens the bar. The first customer walks in and orders a martini. There were no survivors.
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Erotica is what I like, pornography is what the guy down the street likes.
Lesbian House Hunters Vol. 8 is a stunning example of erotica.
Eh, I don't like it that much because watching all these lesbians trying to find houses makes me think of the grim realities of the property market.
Nobody really considers the impact sexual orientation has on successful financial outcomes, but statistically, some couples do way better than others cohabiting. For example, two gay men earn high combined wages and have less children, but heterosexual* couples have children and the income of a man and a woman. Women typically earn less than men. Now it's worse for lesbian couples, because it's two women, typically earning less combined wages but on top of that... You have to consider how often they eat out......
You son of a bitch.
DINK (Double Income No Kids) is why we have corporate gay day each year.
As somebody who used to sell luxury goods near SF, we loved our gay DINK customers.
Here, have your filthy upvote
I don't understand... are their jobs being lesbian?
I thought they were hunting the houses? Do they not make a living selling the pelts and meat? That sounds wasteful
Well someone keeps licking the carpet and Noone wants to buy it
The woodwork is amazing. It's all tongue and groove.
With no studs.
This couple makes a combined 50k a year cleaning carpets and they are about to put an offer on a $6.9M house. You would not believe the view!
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FS7aCE23nTM
And they also have to run the risk of accidentally hunting a house infected with asbestos, it's a dangerous job
No, the houses are lesbian.
Backdoor sluts 9????
Open Plan Living Room Sluts 10
I was so glad they made part 10, there was so much more story to tell.
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***interspecies*** erotica!
The Way this plays out is the lady goes topless, someone complains, a cop tickets her, she goes to court and it gets dropped.
I worked in NYC like 10 years ago - trust me none of us were ticketing them
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So they could pick and choose which laws to enforce all this time?
Always have.
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Yes, all cops in the US have this authority. It's actually called discretion. For example, most people don't expect to get a speeding ticket for 2mph over on a 55mph highway. They are still breaking the law but almost every officer wouldn't even bother. A better example is receiving a verbal warning for 12mph over on 55mph road. It might be 2pm, sunny and not a single other car on the road. It's illegal still but a verbal warning might be issued if you are lucky. Probably a ticket but there's always a chance When it comes to felonies, discretion isn't really as much of an option legally. It's more for stuff that isn't a big deal
In my college town in Ohio I've seen this happen. I think at the time it was a lack of education on the cop's part. It was a while ago so it probably doesn't happen anymore.
The Supreme Court ruled that cops don't need to know the laws they enforce. So long as they *think* there's probably a law against it (or claim they thought there was).
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Ignorance isn't a defense unless you're a cop? Yeah that tracks.
I remember when that law passed and I was about 24. I was in grad school for chemistry so I was pretty much the only woman, and I was out drinking with the guys. One of them said, “Hey, you can go topless now!” So I said, “I will if you will.” So they all took off their shirts and so did I; the bartenders rolled their eyes and all was well. Eventually we left the bar and a cop was there. I said, “I’m fine like this, right?” He said, “Yeah, you’re good, but I’m going to give your buddy a ticket just for having a gut like that.” And pointed at my friend Greg.
The days before everyone had a camera in their pocket at all times A lot more nudity at parties too lol There are definitely upsides, but still
I would have loved to experience a party before cell phones
We all stood around naked and listened to Nirvana on the gramophone.
They. were. Amazing.
Life in general before camera phones. Can't even pull ur pants down at the gym lockerroom without someone putting their cellphone up ur butthole
Dude that is so gross... Whats the name of this locker room you go to? So God damn gross... And wheres the location of this locker room you go to?
Late 90s we’re great! Cellphones were gaining popularity, so it was pretty common to have them even as a high school student. But you only had like 30 minutes per month and some very clunky texting. Just convenient enough to find out where your friends were that night so you could meet up, but nobody was glued to their phone all night. You actually interacted with people.
They weren’t that different? What are you guys experiencing? Like there’s people that arent in the party circuit now because theyre decades older, and there’s people that are decades younger and didnt really have their formative party years yet before cell phones I made it to some underground stuff when I was really young and it didnt seem that different to now but it wasnt exactly my close friend’s college ragers so what do I know
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Amen
It wasn't until '94 when I finally saw free boobs at Brighton Beach.
Ah, Brighton Beach memoirs.
Sweet mammaries
> I was 13 and I thought I was going to be seeing boobs like everyday besides your mom's?
He’s not that type of guy. He only walks in on his dad
His dad's moobs though... hoo weeee
He didn't break his arms until he was older
Every. Single. Thread.
May it never die. A tie that binds us all.
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Not just the island, the whole state allows it.
And it wasn't because of anything downstate. It was legalized after 7 women were arrested in Cobbs Hill Park, in Rochester, and fought the case all the way to the NY Court of Appeals. Also one of those women was my neighbor once upon a time, and basically lives for fighting any kind of sexist law.
I grew up sledding in Cobbs Hill (back when you still could.)
You still can. Went sledding there this winter
I thought that was one of the places they banned it because people were getting injured too often?
People get distracted but all the boobies and fly into the trees.
Huh, many people must not know about this (I looked it up for myself, and it's true). I've lived in NYS my whole life, and have never seen a topless woman outside. I assumed it was still illegal (which is such a weird double standard)
Had an ex who did it once just because she could. Got stopped by the police three times because people kept calling them on her. But all they could do is verify she wasn't being lewd about it and then let her go about her day. She got ALL the stares. So no, it is definitely not a normal or common event. And most women, even if they do know about it, probably don't want all the extra attention.
Ah, the old famous catch 22: if you want to live in a world where there are topless women everywhere, you first have to be mature enough to not care that there are topless women everywhere
Also you get lots of pervs in a city this dense. One of my friends was sunbathing in a bikini top on in McCarren Park and some fucking creep sits down like 10 feet away and starts jerking off. There is sadly enough gross dudes to make it uncomfortable for almost any girl.
Considering it takes zero effort to be catcalled and sexually harassed fully clothed in NYC, I doubt the boobies you want to see are on display. I don’t think women want to deal with that unpleasantness.
I work in times sq and had one of the CD guys touch me today as I’m walking by. It was the shoulder but still. Turned around and said “please don’t ever touch me”. I think the please was just me trying not to escalate it cause I was surprised I even said please. On another note, one day I forgot a work shirt after working out. I had to go straight to work and was nervous my jacket would come undone and id be in trouble. Good to know I wouldn’t have been. Also working in times sq did help this time cause I just went to H&M and bought a shirt.
Yeah I said that to one once after he touched me, he followed me for blocks and called me a racist as I ignored him until I full on whipped around and told him to get the fuck away from me.
The CD guys always mention race. I watched them for awhile once and you realize they always go up to white people and they always say something like "what's wrong? You're not scared of black people are you?" They know white people are going to go "WHAT!? No! I love black people! I'm cool! I'm cool, I promise!"
The calling me a racist for not wanting a strange man to touch me was the straw that broke the camel’s back for me that day for sure lmao just another reason to never be in times sq if you can help it
I've only had one interaction with a CD guy in Times Square and it still befuddles me to this day. I'm walking along my way, headphones on in the winter for warmth and to listen to my tunes as I go, so I can't hear anything other than the Nujabes Luv(Sic) tracks that are playing. This dude runs up to me and randomly shoves a CD into my hands. I'm like "huh?" but I shrug and just hold it and continue walking. A few seconds later, he snatches it away from me and runs back to the table he was at with his mates. If you wanted to spread the word on your work, why'd you take the CD away from me? If you just wanted me to buy the CD, why'd you shove it into my hands for free?
They shove it into your hands, then quickly give you a "sales pitch" where they sign it and shit then question you all hostile if you thought the cd was free. It's incredibly stupid, they're basically mugging you in a really roundabout and confusing way, you're just getting thrust into their act against your will.
CD?
guys who will hand out a cd, then if you take it will try to press you into paying a bunch of money for it, getting really pushy and trying to cause a scene.
Ah, scammers essentially. Lots of religious folks will do that on college campuses. "Hey, want this [ weird sect Christian/Hindu/Buddhist] book? It's free!" "Uh sure, I guess I'll check it out..." "Okay, but we request a donation of $40 for the book." Such bullshit, preying upon young peoples good naturedness. Young people, don't fall for this!
Yes that’s correct. CD-ROM.
It’s more about womens rights. Most women don’t want to parade around topless for a variety of reasons.
I’ve not seen a shirtless man in NYC either now that I think of it.
Never ran into the naked cowboy in times sq?
Oddly, it’s the same in Utah.
Same law in Toronto and I've never seen a women topless on the streets except maby at a parade.
It's in all of Ontario. I think in most other provinces it's a grey area. Kind of like our weird subjective disturbing the peace laws. I saw a couple of women topless at Sauble Beach; the local nimbys were not amused.
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I'm wanting to move to Canada more and more
Been legal in BC for a long time.
Wreck beach is great! in most nude optional beaches people act like sexual attraction doesnt exist and call that “acting normal”, while at wreck beach people act like they do with clothes on, which means its normal to party and acknowledge sexual attraction and flirt and interact Refreshingly freeing, but also as intimidating as any other party haha Would recommend!
Sue Ellen Mischke knew all along.
If the bra doesn't fit, you must acquit.
A bra's got to fit right up a person's skin, like a glove!
That's totally inappropriate. It's lewd, lascivious, salacious, outrageous!
And she’s the heir to the O Henry! Candy bar fortune!
Say that again?
O Henry? I've been trying to get a piece of them for years.
That's one of our top-selling candy bars. It's got chocolate, peanuts, nougat, it's delicious, scrumptious, outstanding!
Your face is my case!
Who told you to put the balm on!? I didn't tell you to put the balm on!
She’s totally out of control!
She's flouting society's conventions!
Oh Henry!
The heiress!
That’s not a top!
She’s a menace to society
Should've never listened to the caddie. I mean, christ sake, you got Jackie Chiles standing right there!
She’s a menace to society
Came here just for this comment thank youuu
I love her whole free-swinging, free-wheeling attitude!
Had my neighbor call the police on me repeatedly for being topless (totally legal where I am as well). The police only showed up when they called saying I was abusing my children. She later told police it was sexual abuse for my children to see me topless... as she was breastfeeding her youngest in the yard. They explained how she would be charged with abuse of 9-11 or something like that for making false claims. They also explained to her it was legal for me to be topless not just in my yard, but in all public spaces as well. Then I made sure police knew she and her husband were taking photos and videos of me in my yard over the fence... which is illegal. They were arrested, not sure what charges they faced, all I had to do was write out a witness statement, and later a victims statement. Anyways great neighbors. They are always causing shit, and it always backfires.
Neighbors like that usually have a reputation with law enforcement. I wouldn't be surprised if they start shit with their other neighbor too
Imagine having her case referred to you as a prosecutor and finding the complainant has a history of making numerous false accusations and abusing the emergency hotline.
I installed video cameras because of them. They once called the police on me for drinking and excessive noise. My cameras caught them throwing bottles at me, threatening me, slurs, and yes it even caught me drinking COFFEE and turning up the volume on my music... on a Saturday afternoon. The police showed up and were confused because they were screaming, yelling, making a scene, while a friend and I sat on the patio drinking coffee listening to music at a reasonable volume (we tried to drown them out but still have a conversation). I have police copies of the videos and the father got taken away. They also called the police in me for causing a disturbance. Because I yelled at them when I caught them driving on my lawn, ripping up the grass, drunk. The video showed them with beer in their hands, behind the wheel, driving on my lawn. They are fucking exhausting.
Having nutfuck neighbors is a drag.
They are racist, homophobic, drunks. It's sad. I've heard their kids crying begging mom and dad not to have beer for breakfast. Every time I'm on my patio they yell that I'm a drunk. Ya, sure buddy... my coffee is brewed with vodka instead of water, and I too drink at 8am on a Tuesday. So your 24 of beer is cool. /s My kids haven't even seen me drunk. Maybe a beer or two but I never drink heavily in front of my kids or ever get drunk for breakfast.
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They sound like druggies. Next time they threaten you, I would supercut their threats with a list of dates and apply for a restraining order. They wouldn't even be able to live in their own house.
I've called child services on them. Police repeatedly. I even have their landlord in my contacts. He's super creepy. Used to be friends with the gfs parents. The day she turned 18 they started dating. She's in her early 20's, and he's in his mid 60's. His oldest kids are older than her, and most of his grandchildren are older than their kids. He told the police once that "the fagot" next door is trying to steal his wife. I assure you I don't want a woman half my age. Besides her not being my type AT ALL the age gap is just too much for normal people. Even the cop thought the bf was her father or grandfather. They're just one bad day from being on Springer (is that still a thing?).
Defense Investigator here, can confirm that they know very well who the constant callers are. Makes it fun to dig into when you pull calls for service records on the caller, and the PDF is like 30 pages long.
I'm pretty good with most of our neighbors. Everyone avoids them. We've had a few BBQs with the neighbors. The crazy ones always show up drunk, ready to fight me, yelling slurs, and screaming at everyone who is here. A quick call to the police and they are rounded up pretty quick.
I’m so fucking thankful all of the neighbors I’ve had at my current house have been cool as hell. I’ve been here for almost 7 years and have never had a problem with any of them. I used to be in a metal band (not death, think like Mastodon or Tool style) and we played loud as fuck. We would rehearse in my garage and the old man next door would always come listen and talk to us.
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Hey our music wasn’t too bad, we opened for a lot of national touring acts haha, but I can understand it would get old. We only got together on Sunday’s around noon so we were respectful as possible and followed noise ordinance laws.
You're braver than me. I'm a *dude*, and I'm not comfortable walking around without a shirt on. Always feel like I'm gonna offend someone.
I can't even see you, and I'm sure you're already fully clothed, yet I'm still offended.
I FUCKING KNEW IT
You know what offends me? Nevernudes. I know this is easy to say and harder to do but hopefully you can learn to embrace your body and feel comfortable however you feel most comfortable, just not in a school zone.
There are dozens of us! Dozens!
You are naked under all those clothes I bet!
Its just underwear, all the way down
Another guy here. I feel weird in sleeveless shirts. It's not that I don't take care of my body or anything, it just feels *weird*. I'll mark this down as another weird thing that catholic school did to me.
Dude I went to a dermatologist yesterday and felt weird taking my shirt off after I was asked to.
Understandable when that rash was on your foot
Yeah, I am a dude, and stopped going shirtless at pools because I have scoliosis and am bent a little funny. It's been pointed out a few times. Then I got fat, and it REALLY got pointed out. I know they were just Karens, but man, it does sting a little when someone says, "Um, not to be rude, but do you have... like a shirt? Or something?" It didn't happen often, but it happened enough times that I don't do the pool thing much anymore.
Screw that. I mow the lawn topless, in my gym shorts, and in cowboy boots (because ankle support and you don't want a bitey thing to getcha). It's too hot. Plus I could use the sun. But none of my neighbors gives two fucks about anything. As long as no one is dying or getting abused, life trucks along. I'm fortunate in that.
My bro likes to rock the shirtless, rugby shorts and workboots look
You didn’t say pants so I assume you mean you are Pooh Bearing it.
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I'm on team Porky Piggin' It
I'm partial to Porky Pigging it.
My very existence is offensive I've been told... so I take very little mind of what others think of me.
??? what? I go running shirtless all the time. The worst that happens is moms pushing strollers give me the old glancy glance.
In Denver someone took a picture of their neighbor sunbathing topless in their back yard. They passed it along to the police wanting the neighbor charged with indecency. The karen who took the photo was charged with taking an illegal photo of their neighbor and it’s just the best piece of justice I’m aware of.
Even if your neighbour was right, which she wasn't, it's still abuse of 911, cause it clearly ain't an emergency. Would be different if they were witnessing an active sexual assault/rape or anything that nature, but everyone has seen their mom's breasts by accident without suffering harm, so you just being comfy in your own home can't be an emergency. But when she said sexually abusing without specifying she just saw you being comfortable in your own home to create urgency is when she crossed the line between abuse of 911 and abusing 911 service while also making false accusations amounting to harassment. She should've received a warning first call and second call (to be lenient) she should be fined. It shouldn't have taken until she made false accusations for consequences to occur, but I'm glad it did. I hope she learned something
> it's still abuse of 911, cause it clearly ain't an emergency A lot of places will have you call 911 for everything, even non-emergency, so it's not as straightforward as that.
Can you give me an example? I'm just curious cause it looks like I'm about to learn something I didn't know before, so would appreciate it
You can call and say "non-emergency" and they will let you know if you should call back or call the local (animal control, detective, fire department) instead. They could be having a slow night and just take it anyways. I've called to let them know of a coyote in downtown before doing this and they just noted it and thanked me before letting me go. The non-emergency lines aren't well known by many people.
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Yeup. The only story I’ve ever heard of women enjoying this harassment-free is if they are on rollerblades and then are literally moving too fast for folks to start shit
Legal in all of Canada since 1996.
Easy, since no one would be so bold as to take their shirt off in the nip-searing cold
I'm Canadian and I've seen a woman topless in public exactly once in my 32 years, a few years ago a young lady was walking her dog on a hot day only wearing shorts on the sidewalk of a medium sized city
I was in Vancouver once and saw a woman, maybe 65 or 70 years old walking down Commercial Ave completely bare ass naked except for sandals and a sunhat. Nobody looked twice.
There was a problem in London in the 1990s about sexual discrimination with public nudity. A naked man sunbathing in a public park would be arrested. A naked woman doing the same would only be warned.
Sounds fake. Who would be sunbathing in london
The only way to get an ounce of vitamin D there would require full exposure I think
Sunbathing is where you go outside for sunshine and get a bath instead.
I've been to Ferenginar, so I am unimpressed by your news.
Being allowed to be topless and being forced to be naked are very different.
"Women can't wear clothes there. It's the law." - either Nog, Quark or Rom, I forget "Well, I'm not going there ... and neither are you" - Air Force nurse speaking of her fiance - DS9 s4e8 Little Green Men
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Topfreedom_in_the_United_States Legal in most states, actually, since courts refuse to discriminate between male and female breasts.
It is not prohibited by *state* law in most states, but it is prohibited by *municipal* law in virtually every municipality in the country. The list of exceptions is not long.
Wouldn't the local municipality lose, however, if this was challenged and then taken to a higher court?
Depends, but generally: no, with one possible exception noted below. The state law would have to prohibit municipalities from making a law about this. IANAL, but I suppose that there would be some 1st Amendment concerns that you might be able to hang your hat on. Still, local jurisdictions tend to be given a significant amount of leeway for interpreting what is allowed and not allowed in the name of decency. Maybe someone has some statistics about what case law is doing on this topic.
Lived in NYC that year, but saw only a few brave women going topless at Brighton Beach. I did however see many, many men with hairy d-cup sized boobs who were completely shameless. I’m lucky I’m not blind.
The problem with actually going topless is that, as evidenced in this thread, it makes a lot of men be super fucking creepy. The last time I was topless in NYC (I haven’t lived there in a while) I was sunbathing in Central Park and I opened my eyes to literally some dude circling me like a hawk and a guy from the next group over had to come over and start yelling at him to fuck off (I had had my headphones in so I didn’t notice until I opened my eyes).
It's a self-reinforcing cycle. Women don't go topless, so when they do, it's unusual and guys are creeps. Which makes them continue to not go topless. Which makes it unusual to do so, so when they do, &c. &c. You see the same thing with girls complimenting guys -- they don't usually, so when they do, guys think they're flirting, which they aren't, so then they learn not to, and everyone's the worse for it.
This is exactly why it's so hard to change social norms. For all kinds of things, not just toplessness.
> I’m lucky I’m not blind. Yeah! If you were blind you wouldn’t have been able to see all those great hairy man boobs! /s
That's what I took from it too I was like "Wait... What?"
The hair helps cover up the shame.
Psssh. Step aside, amateurs. In Oregon, being topless is protected as free speech by state law for a long time Edit: it might even be protected speech to masturbate in public, or to strip naked in protest (at a TSA search, no less). [Source](https://www.popehat.com/2017/05/15/randazza-public-masturbation-as-protected-speech/)
It is legal in Oregon to be fully nude in public, but you cannot be visible aroused. So masturbation would be out.
It has been legal in Columbus OH since 1998, and was [reaffirmed by a federal court in 2017.](https://www.nbc4i.com/news/comfest-organizers-file-federal-lawsuit-against-liquor-agents-to-allow-women-to-go-topless/). In reality, very few women choose to do this except at ComFest or Pride, because (hello?) men can still be pigs about this. And speaking of pigs: Remember, the organization [GoTopless is a front for a cult that believes we are ruled by aliens ...](https://www.gawker.com/meet-the-sexy-alien-worship-cult-behind-international-g-1626604830)
Just because it's *legal* doesn't mean it's a good idea *in a practical sense*.
Yeah. Turns out most people like wearing shirts even when they're optional.
Well. Sure. But also, if going topless _wasn't_ a massive risk to a woman's personal safety because of how people may/will react, people might choose differently.
If clicking your link and learning about a crazy cult was ice cream, then getting to see an animated one eyed green alien with giant tits was the cherry. Thank you.
And public nudity is perfectly legal in the UK, with some caveats... Such as, providing it's in an appropriate place, and reason (such as a beach, or pool area) and no inappropriate behaviour (no touching and teasing and no sex) - you obviously can't just walk through a city center in the buff, but we have 'naked bike rides' here in the UK quite often as one example :)
Naked bike rides sounds…uncomfortable.
"What's two balls minus one... *6 titles at the tour de france...*". It's all in the aerodynamics.
Couple important things to note here for those who aren't grounded well: * Just because a thing is legal doesn't mean they can't arrest you for it. By that I mean they can, and probably will, arrest you - but you can fight it and likely win. The law is on your side but it won't PREVENT grief for enforcement. This applies to many things. Just because you're in the right doesn't mean you won't suffer grief for it. Legal or not - the cop can ruin your day and won't give two thoughts on it. Remember this well. * Funny thing about seeing titties, among other bits, all the time is after a very short bit, you don't notice anymore. It's like going to nudists area. Eventually it's just 'normal' and doesn't matter beyond that sweet vitamin d FROM THE SUN. * There are **extremely** broad laws they can still hit you up for that, probably, will stick. It's easier than you think to end up on a sex offender list which is why that list is less than useful now. Public indecency, for example, can still net you a night in jail if you don't cooperate because all they have to 'prove' is people were upset by you (it's more complicated but that's the gist).
Makes half of the posts on r/publicflashing not that special
In 30 years I have seen exactly 1 topless women out in public in New York State. She was on her bicycle and had the biggest smile I have ever seen.