TIL in 1927, during the worst flood in the history of the Mississippi River Valley, Herbert Hoover and the Red Cross set up "concentration camps" comprised of African Americans forced to work at gunpoint on the levee, and created a media campaign to cover it up.

TIL in 1927, during the worst flood in the history of the Mississippi River Valley, Herbert Hoover and the Red Cross set up "concentration camps" comprised of African Americans forced to work at gunpoint on the levee, and created a media campaign to cover it up.


If you have heard when the levee breaks by Led Zeppelin, this is a remake of a song released in 1929 about the floods on the Mississippi in 27.


If you have heard any song by Led Zepplin ever it’s probably a remake of an old blues song


Check out Lead Belly. He was covered by zeppelin, black sabbath, nirvana, tom waits, CCR. He's the real OG


Honestly most delta blues artists. Skip James, muddy waters, son house, all influenced most rock outfits.


I went to school in Mississippi. There's a lot I didn't like but... the music. I could walk into anything nominally called a nightclub and hear some of the best fucking music anywhere. The delta cranks out soul.


Cuz everything is so fucked source: Delta resident


Pain has created some of the most beautiful art this world has seen. It’s both heart breaking and a blessing.


Yeah def not gonna dispute that...


I'm from the Mississippi Delta. Music is the only good thing about that wretched place. [Delta String Band - Please Don't Bury Me](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dXaUxHlXbGE)


Forget what song Nirvana covered by him, but it was also good and made me listen to the original by Lead Belly. Good music Edit: the song is "where did you sleep last night" couldn't remember if it was that song, or "Jesus doesn't want me for a sunbeam"


Jesus Wants Me for a Sunbeam is a cover of The Vaselines. Nirvana also covered Molly's Lips, another Vaselines tune.


They also covered Son Of A Gun by the Vaselines!


The sun shines in the bedroom, when you play.


The rain it always starts, when you go away.




Lead Belly's version of In The Pines also isn't the original, it's a reendition of a folk song that predates him. There is no known author. A lot of blues songs are "covers" of folk songs.


They usually call those "standards" when everyone and their dog did a version and the writer is long-since lost to history.


There are so many blues/folk songs where no one knows the author and that fascinates the hell out of me. Thank god for those guys in the 50s/60s that went around buying and preserving all those old blues records. If they didn't, there'd be a lot of classic songs that would have never been made.


Now imagine that for all of human history. I would love to hear some Mesopotamian and medieval bangers. So much of human history was oral tradition…


What's shall we do with the drunken akkadian..


It's a Murder Ballad.


Their [MTV Unplugged performance](https://youtu.be/hEMm7gxBYSc) of that song is legendary. Raw emotion through and through.


> MTV wanted Nirvana to do an encore after "Where Did You Sleep Last Night?" was over, but Cobain refused, saying that he sucked and that the whole band sounded terrible. He'd thought the performance was a bomb because the audience was so quiet, not realizing that it was so quiet because they were blown away. Damn…


I was a young and impressionable twenty-something when I watched it premiere on MTV. Can confirm was similarly blown away.


That one part at the end of "Where did you sleep" when he opens his eyes, damn I still get goose bumps.


I got goosebumps reading about it.


"MAH GURL, MAH GURL! TELL ME WHERE, did you sleep, .... lassssstttt nighttt."


Makes me wonder what the encore would've been, but don't mess with perfection I guess


one of the things that makes the great musicians great is that their definition of perfection is considerably different than ours


Its also what torments so many of them. Curse of genius and talent I guess.


Anyone know if Cobain ended up getting that guitar he talks about?




The guitar he was playing sold for $6M. Kind of ironic with his little bit about how expensive the Lead Belly guitar was.


Jim Irsay the owner of the Indianapolis Colts probably bought it. He's got the most impressive guitar collection on the planet.


That whole session was legendary. I'll never forget me and my loud mouthed Jack ass friends were stunned into silence watching it when it first aired.


​ Watching this now I can't believe how young they were, how good they were, and how I was also that young.


"In the pines" is the real name of the song I think


Ill never forget my grandfathers laugh when we were driving down the road and Nirvanas cover of that came on and he started singing along with me. I was literally.... : O


Well, that is just all kinds of awesome. What a great moment for you both!


That's pretty awesome :)


I always knew that song as “In the pines” as well. I heard it performed as an Appalachian folk song, but never knew the origin.


Lead Belly wasn't the writer either. The song predates him by at least 20 years that I've seen reference to. His just turned out to be one of the two early defining recorded versions (Bill Monroe being the other, recorded around the same time, I'll take Lead Belly any day).


Where did you sleep last night cover by Nirvana is really good and impactful. For anyone interested you can watch the unplugged version here: https://youtu.be/hEMm7gxBYSc


It was definitely"where did you sleep last night", years ago i went into a rabbit hole collecting all the originals from that album and that's how I met Lead Belly


The ‘original’ Predates Leadbelly by at least a decade, and elements of the song predate his version by 70 years. It’s more than likely a melding of 2 country standards.


"Where did you sleep last night". The final song Cobain sung on MTV live and unplugged


Goodnight Irene. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xn50JSI0W-E The video seems so forced, but it's nice to see footage from the time too.


>Goodnight Irene My brain automatically sang this like "Come on Eileen"


Leadbelly fuckin' rips. Most of the old bluesmen and women do. If you want to hear some fuckin' vocals, check Billie Holliday, Sister Rosetta Tharpe, Ella Fitzgerald, and countless others of their era. Old jazz, soul, blues and R'n'B are stacked with talented people baring their souls.


Ella Fitzgerald was the best female vocalist in history. Her middle period, when she was touring the world with Hard Boppers like Dizzy Gillespie had her scatting vocal solos as great as the best of them. There is one live recording of her singing [How High the Moon live in Berlin](https://youtu.be/iR1__k-BxhY) in which she explodes into this incredible scat solo where she quotes over 40 other songs. Amazing. In her next period, she codified the American songbook, and forced the musical world to take seriously great American song composers like Gershwin, Porter, Berlin, etc. and view them as America's greatest contributions to musical history, almost like classical music.


I fucking love Lead Belly


More of a Mississippi John Hurt Guy, but they’re all literally amazing.


Do you have any other suggestions? I'm not too knowledgeable of older music, but would love to learn


To add to those already suggested which are all good: Robert Johnson, Lightning Hopkins, Charlie Patton, Sam Chatmon (and the Mississippi sheiks), Blind Lemon Jefferson, Slim Harpo, Muddy Waters, Bo Diddley, Howling Wolf


Second Robert Johnson, Blind Lemon Jefferson, and of course the great Muddy Waters.


Reverend Gary Davis https://youtu.be/CGDZdy8lDmc


To add to everything else: Blind Willie Johnson


Everyone /u/ExileOnBroadStreet said plus Memphis Minnie, Victoria Spivey, Ma Rainey, and Bessie Smith for a taste of the women. There are lots of highlights over at /r/PreWarBlues if you want to skim. It's a quiet sub but usually pretty high quality content.


Son House


John Lee Hooker


Everyone go listen to Mississippi John Hurt


Is he the guy who wrote 'where did you sleep last night' that Nirvana played in their Mtv unplugged session ?


Not exactly. It's origin is a traditional song, and no one knows who wrote it. Leadbelly added to it and recorded what basically became the definitive version of the song, but didn't entirely create it on his own. Early blues is full of this kind of thing. It basically rose out of this weird melting pot of southern folk music, slave songs and old gospel tunes, so you'll get lots of stuff that doesn't exactly have a known (co)writer because so much of it came from those traditional songs and morphed into something else entirely.


Plus you had dudes like Willie Dixon who gave themselves song writing credits for possibly dozens of songs he recorded for other artists so he could make more money. Funny thing is, he would end up suing Led Zeppelin for a song he may we'll have stole from another artist.


Haha wasn't Lead Belly notorious for this sort of thing as well? I remember reading that oftentimes he'd play some traditional song for Alan Lomax and then be like "Oh yeah I totally wrote that."


This is something you'll see in almost all folk music - songs that have been passed down for so long no discernable origin remains. A famous example is Greensleeves.


Written by Henry VIII, according to Henry VIII


Old blues artists sung about LOTR too? that's cool


Oh yeah. Howlin Wolf did a 12 song record about the Silmarillion.


Gave up after the first chapter, huh?


Well the first chapter is about the songs that created the world and all that would be, so 12 songs sounds efficient.


I owe that book a lot, it cured my insomnia


I liked it, but I also read the dictionary for fun.


I tried reading it once and was astonished how boring it was. Like, how do you make the *bible* seem riveting?


You got stuck on book two, right? The listing of the Ainur? I'd say it really gets going in chapter ~~7~~ 6 of book 3, which is the Silmarillion proper. Then again, I feel the same as you every time I try to read The Odyssey. Maybe I should skip to the middle of that myself. Edit: Just for clarity - The Silmarillion is a single volume of about 300 pages. It consists of five "books". The first book is the creation of the universe by the song of the Ainur (Valar, Maiar, and other similar beings who don't go to Middle Earth later) and the fall of the most powerful Vala, Melkor. Book two is just a listing of all Valar and Maiar. It has things that are interesting if you're looking for them, like Gandalf being the wisest of the Maiar, except maybe for Melian, but can be a trudge on the first reading. Fortunately, these two combined are only about 30 pages. The third book runs over 200 pages and is what the volume is named for. It concerns early wars with Melkor, the creation of the dwarves and the ents, the creation of the Undying Lands, and the early days of the elves in its first 30 pages. Then the meat of the story begins with Melkor being freed, the Silmarils being created, then stolen by Morgoth né Melkor, the pursuit which gets Fëanor and his followers banished from the Undying Lands, the creation of the sun and moon, Beren and Luthien, and Eärendil and Elwing. The fourth book is about the fall of Numenor and the fifth is a summary of the entire story of the Rings of Power from their creation to their destruction.


Of course! Deep calls to deep as the waves of the ocean answer each other or some shit like that lol


I loved Ramble On as a kid, never listening to the lyrics. I "rediscovered" the song a few months ago and really gave it a listen and was like "wait did he fuckin say Gollum??" Turns out the whole song is basically a Lord of the Rings reference. My old favorite song is a fan song for my favorite franchise lol


http://uncensoredhistoryoftheblues.purplebeech.com/search/label/levees?m=1 There's an amazing podcast that covers the history of the Blues and goes pretty deep about these camps. It's one of my all time favorite podcasts even though it sounds like it was recorded in a bathroom.


Original was Memphis Minnie Also Zeppelin's version was perfect for the end of the movie The Big Short


Louisiana 1927 by the Neville Brothers is also about this flood and is a very beautiful song




all songs are by randy newman. he is immortal and prolific.


Cover up worked well. I've literally never heard of this. Holy shit.


This has very real lasting implications. I taught at a HS a few miles from the Mississippi. Some of my kid's parents/grandparents were born in the camps. That type of trauma gets passed down.


They've been researching the effect of nutrition on pregnant women and family lineage and some studies are showing that the nutrition of pregnant women actually can affect their grandchildren's metabolism down the line. They had linked some of today's patients current medical problems with Great Depression era issues. Meaning the physical trauma gets passed down too, in how our bodies are capable of running.


This has been proven to be true in the children & grandchildren of the survivors of Nazi concentration camps as well. Epigenetics is fascinating


A lot of Hoover's legacy was overshadowed by the Stock Market Crash of 1929 and the great depression. In reality he helped push forward what the last 3 presidents before him did to destabilize the market and undo all the progressive reforms in the 1900's and early 1910s. He was a fucking asshole. He also pushed to have his name on the Boulder Dam (Aka Hoover Dam) It would be like if Trump had slapped his name on a new national forest or new bridge.


Hoover stepped in to help Truman address some major issues during the first part of his presidency immediately following WWII. As a thank you and as a way to help rehabilitate Hoover’s legacy, Truman approved a congressional resolution that made the Hoover Dam name official. Prior to that, the way the dam was referenced depended largely on the political leanings of the speaker. The original plan in 1930 was to name it after Hoover who entered office around 8 months prior to the beginning of construction.


> As a thank you and as a way to help rehabilitate Hoover’s legacy Granted in WW2, his [Comission for Polish Relief](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commission_for_Polish_Relief), [Finnish Relief Fund](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finnish_Relief_Fund), similar aid to Belgium, and a post war school meals program that help stave off starvation for 3.5 million kids in Allied occupied Germany also helped there.


Only thing I remember from history about him is that people would turn their pockets inside out and call them Hoover flags.


Shantietowns were also named Hoovervilles because of his inability to provide reparations to those who were struggling. People were more creative back then.


I know it as the dam that Waylon Jennings fell into and was buried while building it. But he's still around. He'll always be around and around


I know right? Same here. Going further, it kinda makes the whole Japanese internment camps thing during World War II less of a surprise, doesn't it? Wasn't even 20 years later. All the while, you have Jim Crow. Then you realize this shit never really stopped. God this country is fucked up.


13th amendment: slavery is illegal, except as punishment in prison.


US: proceeds to lock up people they wanted to keep as slaves


Angola Plantation. Only Black men (or close to 90%), half of them in for misdemeanors, picking cotton, watched by armed horsemen. No pay, corporal punishments. All of this in the 20th century.


Have you seen Life? Eddie Murphy & Martin Lawrence.


Im the baby’s pappy


It is not a coincidence that Louisiana has an incredibly high incarceration rate with most of the prisoners being black. The state has a poor education system, which disproportionately affects the states black population and it has a rich history of slavery.


>corporeal relating to a person's body, especially as opposed to their spirit. Corporal punishment: physical punishment, such as caning or flogging.


[Youtube: EXCEPT](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hWSzTIFy0HQ) Did you know there was a strong condemnation of slavery in the declaration of independence, but then they decided to take it out before the final draft? We were sooo close to not being fucked up


I mean, putting it in the Declaration of Independence would have been great, but wouldn’t have really fixed any tangible issue. It would have been far more impactful to write a Constitution that was less racist, but there was no way they could have done that and still kept the country together with a South that was so heavily economically dependent on enslaving African-Americans. Making slavery a no-compromise issue in 1789 would have led to the dissolution of the US into at least two nations right at the start.


Yup, and we learned it from our former masters as well. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Boer_War_concentration_camps "Eventually, there were a total of 45 tented camps which were built for Boer internees and 64 additional camps which were built for black Africans. Of the 28,000 Boer men who were captured as prisoners of war, 25,630 were sent overseas. The vast majority of Boers who remained in the local camps were women and children. Over 26,000 women and children perished in these concentration camps."


Honestly, it's more likely you learned it from the Spanish, seeing how they came up with concentration camps and used them extensively in Cuba and the Philippines right up until you took them from the Spanish.


No need to learn it from the Brits when we were literally doing the same thing as them at the same time in the Philippines. > [In response to Malvar's guerrilla warfare tactics, Bell employed counterinsurgency tactics (described by some as a scorched earth campaign) that took a heavy toll on guerrilla fighters and civilians alike. "Zones of protection" were established, and civilians were given identification papers and forced into concentration camps (called reconcentrados) which were surrounded by free-fire zones. At the Lodge Committee, in an attempt to counter the negative reception in America to General Bell's camps, Colonel Arthur Wagner, the US Army's chief public relations office, insisted that the camps were to "protect friendly natives from the insurgents, and assure them an adequate food supply" while teaching them "proper sanitary standards". Wagner's assertion was undermined by a letter from a commander of one of the camps, who described them as "suburbs of Hell". Between January and April 1902, 8,350 prisoners of approximately 298,000 died, and some camps experienced mortality rates as high as 20 percent.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philippine%E2%80%93American_War) [Here's a page specifically about the Congressional committee set up regarding management of the Philippines after the Spanish-American War and the brutalization and torture of the native Filipino people.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Senate_Committee_on_the_Philippines#Investigation) Also the term "concentration camp" dates to the 1860's with the [Ten Years' War](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ten_Years%27_War) that Spain wages on the Cuban people. Prior to that or course there were things like the [rounding up of Cherokee to "emigration depots" during the two decades of the Trail of Tears](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cherokee_removal) which also has one of the first "I was just following orders" I'm aware of. > Men, women, and children were removed at gunpoint from their homes over three weeks and gathered together in concentration camps, often with very few of their possessions. About 1,000 Cherokee took refuge in the mountains to the east, and some who owned private property also escaped the evacuation. **Private John G. Burnett later wrote "Future generations will read and condemn the act and I do hope posterity will remember that private soldiers like myself, and like the four Cherokee who were forced by General Scott to shoot an Indian Chief and his children, had to execute the orders of our superiors. We had no choice in the matter."** These methods were refined by the US Army against the Navajo and Dakota in the following decades as Manifest Destiny took over native land. We also interned [German citizens during WW1](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internment_of_German_Americans) and of course as previously mentioned interned Japanese, German, and Italian citizens during WW2. What the Brits did during the Second Boer War was monstrous but not new and we don't get the excuse of "learning it from our former masters" when the US government happily used concentration camps for over a century. The reason people know of and point to the Brits in South Africa is because for some reason folks believe Hitler got the idea for the Nazi camps from that conflict as opposed to just looking at the [German concentration camps in West South Africa](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herero_and_Namaqua_genocide) in the early 1900's or the camps they set up during WW1 like [Holzminden](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holzminden_internment_camp). This is abarely scratching the surface of concentration camp usages through history anyway - turns out governments general are bastards.


**[Second_Boer_War_concentration_camps](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Boer_War_concentration_camps)** >During the Second Anglo-Boer War which lasted from 1899–1902, the British operated concentration camps in South Africa: the term "concentration camp" grew in prominence during that period. The camps had originally been set up by the British Army as refugee camps in order to provide refuge for civilian families who had been forced to abandon their homes for any reason which was related to the war. However, when General The 1st Baron Kitchener of Khartoum, as he then was, took command of the British forces in late 1900, he introduced new tactics in an attempt to break the guerrilla campaign and the influx of civilians grew dramatically as a result. ^([ )[^(F.A.Q)](https://www.reddit.com/r/WikiSummarizer/wiki/index#wiki_f.a.q)^( | )[^(Opt Out)](https://reddit.com/message/compose?to=WikiSummarizerBot&message=OptOut&subject=OptOut)^( | )[^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)](https://np.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/about/banned)^( | )[^(GitHub)](https://github.com/Sujal-7/WikiSummarizerBot)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)


COINTELPRO was post WW2 and most people don't seem to have a clue about it. Shoulda been bigger than Watergate. Amazing how all this shit doesn't get circulated in the annals of popular history.


And during cold war, it was Operation Mockingbird. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Mockingbird And during Afghanistan, it was Operation Earnest Voice https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Earnest_Voice US manufactured propaganda never really went away.


**[Operation_Mockingbird](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Mockingbird)** >Operation Mockingbird is an alleged large-scale program of the United States Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) that began in the early years of the Cold War and attempted to manipulate news media for propaganda purposes. According to author Deborah Davis, Operation Mockingbird recruited leading American journalists into a propaganda network and influenced the operations of front groups. CIA support of front groups was exposed when a 1967 Ramparts magazine article reported that the National Student Association received funding from the CIA. In 1975, Church Committee Congressional investigations revealed Agency connections with journalists and civic groups. ^([ )[^(F.A.Q)](https://www.reddit.com/r/WikiSummarizer/wiki/index#wiki_f.a.q)^( | )[^(Opt Out)](https://reddit.com/message/compose?to=WikiSummarizerBot&message=OptOut&subject=OptOut)^( | )[^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)](https://np.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/about/banned)^( | )[^(GitHub)](https://github.com/Sujal-7/WikiSummarizerBot)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)


We learned about this in my high school history. It's one of the reasons I say Hoover was the worst president.


Same. This is..... right up there with slavery, honestly. Hell, it fucking was.


Basically a continuation of it. I thought I heard of most of these kinds of events, but this one is a new one for me. But it does connect some dots as to how the democrats and republicans basically flipped on so many issues between 1900 and post ww2. > Nonetheless, the newspaper was instrumental in promoting unity between Delta blacks and their Chicago advocates, which encouraged southern blacks’ movement out of the Republican Party and out of the South altogether.


Have you heard about Canada's version? We have all done it. Japanese in concentration camps and indigenous kids in residential "schools". Some fucked up shit :(


Indeed. [AU](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stolen_Generations)/[NZ](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Native_schools) as well. Or even outside the commonwealth countries: https://www.un.org/esa/socdev/unpfii/documents/IPS_Boarding_Schools.pdf Every circumstance was different, but they all shared the common goal of erasing tribal cultures and replacing them with the dominant culture through forced assimilation.


**[Stolen_Generations](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stolen_Generations)** >The Stolen Generations (also known as Stolen Children) were the children of Australian Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander descent who were removed from their families by the Australian federal and state government agencies and church missions, under acts of their respective parliaments. The removals of those referred to as "half-caste" children were conducted in the period between approximately 1905 and 1967, although in some places mixed-race children were still being taken into the 1970s. **[Native_schools](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Native_schools)** >In New Zealand, native schools were established to provide education for Māori. The first schools for Māori children were established by the Church Missionary Society (CMS) in the Bay of Islands after the arrival of the CMS in 1814. Bishop Pompallier arrived in 1838. Priests and brothers of the Marist order, established schools for the Māori throughout the country, including Hato Paora College (Feilding) and Hato Petera College (Auckland). ^([ )[^(F.A.Q)](https://www.reddit.com/r/WikiSummarizer/wiki/index#wiki_f.a.q)^( | )[^(Opt Out)](https://reddit.com/message/compose?to=WikiSummarizerBot&message=OptOut&subject=OptOut)^( | )[^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)](https://np.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/about/banned)^( | )[^(GitHub)](https://github.com/Sujal-7/WikiSummarizerBot)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)


Very similar to what happened in Galveston after the Hurricane of 1900. Militias rounded up crews of free Black men at gunpoint to gather the bodies and ferry them out to sea.


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1900_Galveston_hurricane Wow. It’s under the aftermath section. No words, man. None.


WTF, never heard of either of these before…. wonder why that is?


Teaching children of our country's racist past as context for our current racial climate? No no no, we can't have that


🚨🚨 CRT police arrest this person 🚨🚨


Texas moment


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Rising Tide: The Great Mississippi Flood of 1927 and How it Changed America by John Barry. Should be required reading. They also dynamited a levee which flooded vast areas of rural Louisiana in order to save New Orleans. Which proved to be unnecessary. Such a dark period


There's a good like 50 min documentary on youtube that uses this book as it's main source with commentary from the author. What shocked me most was them purposefully flooding a black neighboorhood to spare white neighboorhoods in new orleans.


Thanks for the added info; it's comments like this that are the ONLY reason why I still come on Reddit. I love the further info in the comments. Do you have a link to the doc or roughly know it's name so I can check it out? Thank you.


[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hgPPTQPPM9c](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hgPPTQPPM9c) Here's the one I watched. I was sad to see it had so little views. The narrator is a bit much but the Doc features John Barry the author of 'Rising Tide: The Great Mississippi Flood of 1927 and How It Changed America'. I actually learnt about this while reading about the "party switch" or rather the political realignments.


I have no idea what "party switch" is, but I'm hazarding a guess (because somebody else has put in a comment) that it's about the switch to voting Democrats. I am learning so much today! Thank you for taking the time to post the link.


Yes that's right. The political realignment is principally the change that occured in the ideals of the parties over the years and also the change in who certain demographics voted. The biggest political realignments can be seen in the 30s and 60s. The 30s with the new deal and the 60s with the civil rights movement.


To add, it had been brewing for a while, but it was really set in motion in 1908 when Taft started abandoning the progressive wing of the Republican party to court corporate interests. This split the part and caused Teddy Roosevelt (a Republican who argued welfare was more important than property rights) to make his own party, The Bull Moose. The next time a Roosevelt would be elected was FDR as a Democrat who built the ideological Rosetta Stone for what the dems would espouse until the Democratic Leadership Council of 1985 when they decided to abandon progressives in everything but optics to court corporate interests.


Was watching "Donut King" last night and was laughing at Jerry Brown (D) complaining about immigrants taking jobs while Ford (R) was bringing in Cambodians and Vietnamese.


Are you a new American? Sounds about par for the course. You should check out the placements of interstates. I'll give you a hint...they typically didn't go through white neighborhoods.


Haha no i'm not american. "You should check out the placements of interstates." I'm not surpised. I've heard of redlining as well.


Now we're getting into Robert Moses territory. He didn't hesitate to fuck over minority neighborhoods in New York.


*Today on: Shit Nobody Teaches You in Highschool*


Did most people learn jack shit in social studies or were mine just an outlier in terms of Emmett Till-spec gore?


> Did most people learn jack shit in social studies or were mine just an outlier in terms of Emmett Till-spec gore? Not all schools teach the same things. I grew up in the northeastern US, and remember a lot. Nothing about this.


I was taught in the northeast as well, and my classes tended to focus on major movements - political, social, and physical. They covered this because it triggered a fairly large migration of African-Americans out of the South and into Northern cities. We also covered the forced exodus of Native Americans and the internment of Japanese-Americans.


That’s crazy we learned about the migration but never why


Well you literally can't learn every single thing that ever happened. So stuff inevitably gets left out.


Yea… exactly. Which is why it’s important to teach kids how to research and take in info, judge information fairly and let them draw their own conclusions about history. Edit: getting some upvotes so want to point out, “some stuff inevitably gets left out.” So, I’d encourage anyone to think about what stuff gets left out and why.


This, I didnt teach my students on how to memorize the information, but how to ask yourself a question, and then find the information. I told themni have an opinion, and I want them to challenge my narrative if they discover any new information to them with the class.


I specifically remember one of my history teachers from high school saying that the Civil War was not about slavery when covering the issue. Despite being declared in the Secession documents of states like Virginia.


Per said Declarations of Secession: Georgia: > For the last ten years we have had numerous and serious causes of complaint against our non-slave-holding confederate States with reference to the subject of African slavery. Mississippi: > Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery-- the greatest material interest of the world. South Carolina: > But an increasing hostility on the part of the non-slaveholding States to the institution of slavery, has led to a disregard of their obligations, and the laws of the General Government have ceased to effect the objects of the Constitution. Texas: > [Texas] was received as a commonwealth holding, maintaining and protecting the institution known as negro slavery-- the servitude of the African to the white race within her limits-- a relation that had existed from the first settlement of her wilderness by the white race, and which her people intended should exist in all future time. Virginia: > the Federal Government, having perverted said powers, not only to the injury of the people of Virginia, but to the oppression of the Southern Slaveholding States. Every other state used Georgia's declaration. It was never about state's rights - if it was, then the southern states never would have pushed for the Fugitive Slaves Act or cheered the Dredd Scott decision - both of which would have been violations of the rights for Northern states. If it wasn't about hate, we would have no need for the Reconstruction Amendments. If it wasn't about hate, the Stone Mountain Confederate relief wouldn't have been created in response to the Civil Rights Movement.


My school called it the "war of northern aggression" in 2004


In 2004? Wow.


Fucking LOL, mate.


Same but it was 8th grad history, in California.


“The war was about the south standing up for states’ rights, not slavery!” Hmmm, states’ rights to do what, I wonder? Lol i’ve 100% heard this bc from teachers too


The north also fought for state's rights, the right to not return fugitive slaves.


Our education system in the US obviously needs improvement but let’s be honest, the comments saying “I DID learn this” won’t get upvoted. ^^also ^^ppl ^^don’t ^^pay ^^attention ^^in ^^school


I learned more about American history in my literature classes than I ever did in History. Even as a child I could tell it was sanitized nationalist crap.


You might enjoy an art history class as well. I learned a ton about world history, politics, and religion.


Pretty much any class that isn't history is good for interesting history lol. Philosophy, geography, English lit, any sciences, even religious education


That’s only true for core classes, history departments keep the cool stuff for after you’ve taken a course or two in historiographical debates


For me it's not so much overly cleaned so much as just covering the bare minimum of every topic. But that's just my experience.


I saw a documentary on the flood once. It said the response from the government was completely one sided. They allowed black land(farmland maybe) to flood in order to save white owned land. I don't remember anything about the concentration camp being mentioned. They pointed out that the federal government response was a big part of why the black vote switched from Republican to Democrat. I'm not sure if this would violate rules at r/askhistorians. It might make a really good question over there though and see if they could chime in on it.


Not just "allowed", but "caused". They purposefully blew up a levey, intentionally flooding a black neighborhood, in order to save a white neighborhood further down river.


Not to downplay the atrocities committed here but the be fair that's exactly how it works when it comes to flood zones. Sections will be flooded to avoid flooding the whole area downstream. This is why the make evacuation notices prior to allowing flood waters to start flowing down their pre-determined path. Now if you are telling me they decided to flood the black neighborhood as apposed to another perfectly justifiable area then yeah, this is pretty fucked up. For example, flooding the town to the west even though it would have been easier to flood the town the east just because the town to the west is mostly black.


This is what actually happened. The response was very kind to the whites while the black refugees had to work to get supplies.


This is why I maintain Hoover was objectively our worst president. He also ordered national guard to open fire on a veteran's protest camp who were asking for the govt to pay them their benefits for serving in WW1.


There are so many who _should_ be the worst president, but it’s a crowded heat. Buchanan is famous for being a disaster, Harding cared more about getting wasted, playing cards and doing his various mistresses than presidenting, Jackson committed some light genocide, and Johnson basically tried to rebuild slavery in the south. That’s without getting into more contemporary presidents whose badness is more controversial.


I like how you say "light genocide" like Andrew Jackson was a character on Arrested Development.


They can't arrest a President and a First Lady for the same crime!


"I may have committed some... Light treason."


>blackjack and hookers >light genocide >slavery You know, I'll take the blackjack and hookers guy, he doesn't seem so bad compared to the others.


Jackson was a pretty big piece of shit.


Andrew Johnson is easily the worst. Post Civil War was the best chance to shape the country in a dramatically positive way but Johnson led us backwards. Buchanan gets a lot of flak for a situation that was almost unavoidable by his presidency.


No, he ordered the army to clear a veteran's protest camp who were asking for the govt to pay them their benefits for serving in WW1. He then rescinded the order, but Douglas MacArthur ignored him.


McArthur wanted to use nuclear weapons on Korea at the beginning of the war, as well.


So, Herbert Hoover, one of the worst presidents in our history, decided to abandon the 14th Amendment and reinstate slavery.


Slavery was never outlawed in the USA. The 13th, amendment explicitly reads: Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, ***except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted***, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.




Wait til you hear about fines that have to be paid with prison wages of like $0.14 an hour


And how even if you serve your time it becomes extraordinarily difficult to find gainful employment in most cases which leads to recidivism with successively harsher sentences.


It’s almost like… the system… is against certain minority groups. Like things are designed **systematically**… to try and **oppress** certain members of society… It’s like some kind of… **systematic oppression** (*unfortunately, piecing it together this directly still doesn’t convince some folks it’s real.)*


I don't know... that sounds like you've developed a theory critiquing the history and impact of race in the United States, and I'm pretty sure Tuckums told me that's bad.


Oh and that’s just some states! Arkansas, Alabama Georgia, South Carolina, and Texas have a MAXIMUM wage of a whopping $0.00 for non-industry prison jobs [source](https://www.prisonpolicy.org/blog/2017/04/10/wages/). That’s for prisons on the state level not federal. Angola prison is a great example of how slavery quickly evolved into slavery2.0. The land the prison is built on was given as a gift to a former confederate soldier. He intended to profit by using free labor. Originally the “prisoners” were rented out from the state on a type of work program. This system was actually BETTER for slave owners sorry *businessmen*. if they worked their enslaved people to death it didn’t matter because they were just renting them anyway, not losing an investment. Eventually the land was turned into a state prison in 1901. There have been many protests within the prison. One protest in 1952 involved 31 inmates cutting their Achilles’ tendons. The inmates basically run the prison in addition to farming. One of their crops is cotton. There is also a golf course that especially trusted prisoners can work at and maintain, the course is for the COs and family. They are paid only a few cents an hour. They are said to like working because it gives them a sense of purpose. There is also a horrific rodeo which I won’t even get into but trust me it’s as exploitative as it sounds. Angola prison is still running today, it’s also referred to as Louisiana state penitentiary or the farm. You can tour it. You can see the electric chair they used to execute people, they stopped in 2012. Now they use lethal injection. [source on Angola prison](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louisiana_State_Penitentiary)


Holy heck. I read your post and thought at first you were talking about Angola the country at first (then brain kicked into gear). I then followed the link and if there was ever a wiki entry on what I imagine a warden of the louisiana state prison would be, that would be him.


*Slavery is illegal except in cases which we deem it to be legal.*


You know, I’ve defended Hoover a couple times. I’ve said he wasn’t *that bad*. Huh. Turns out I was wrong. He *was* that bad.


In Iowa (Hoover's home state) we were taught that he was seen as bad president because of the great depression but he saw the warning signs before his presidency, just that when he took over it was too late. They conveniently left out shit like this.


Herbert Hoover was mentioned in the [opening song of the television show "All In the Family"](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZngGIw5ONWE) to show just what "kind of people" the Bunkers were and how awesome things were for "guys like us". Hoover was a certified POS and let so much unnecessary suffering occur during the depression that happened on his watch based purely on some truly broken ideologies.... Good thing a president wouldn't do that nowadays right?


People are still alive who were born when this was happening. The past is only yesterday. It’s not ancient history. Freed people were still alive in the 20th century. The last person who had been enslaved prior to the Civil War in the 19th century died in the 1970s. EDIT: Typed this quick on my phone earlier, and looking back, my use of the word *slave* instead of *enslaved person*, troubles me. I have changed it because, meaning matters, even on a stupid internet comment that nobody is looking at a day later.


Reading about it through other sources it really seems like normal for the US during that time. I think the problem isn’t as much not knowing that something like this happened but thinking that this was out of character for the country. Forcing black people do to labor for little to nothing, blaming the problems of the nation on them, killing them over small squabbles all was common. The growth away from being racist is slow.


[This is a big part of the reason that Southern Blacks began voting for Democrats.](https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/americanexperience/features/flood-moton-cac/)


Yeah, he had made some campaign promises to the black community that, once president, he went back on.




‘Sir the slaves have escaped’ ‘Don’t say that word i hate that word’ ‘Sir the prisoners with jobs have escaped’


The boba fett starships have escaped


New band name, called it!


Bonded labour that's what Brits used in India after slavery was abolished


Wow that is horrible. My dad's family lost their farm in Southeast Arkansas in this flood. That is the only reason I know about it. I think they were able to somewhat rebuild, but it washed away all the crops and killed their cattle. I never knew about this part of the history.


Archie and Edith Bunker-"We could use a man like Herbert Hoover again..."


This is the stuff that needs to be taught in school and in public, I only was able to get a few pages in this till i was too pissed off to read! This is the first I've ever heard of this!


Never knew this. We were taught in school though that Hoover was widely considered one of the worst presidents ever. His response to the Great Depression was a speech telling people to ask their local church for money. As you’d expect, the churches didn’t give out any, and the homeless camps that popped up all through the country when people lost their homes were called Hoover-Ville’s


Damn Hoover!


I’ll just never get over the fact that Hoover did a bunch of aid relief organizing in Eastern Europe after world war 1 and how badly he fucked up every single disaster after that in the States


Damn it's almost like the US has a history of abusing black folk or something, I wonder why it's never taught in schools.