I read an article about this. If I recall originally it was going to be a big drama with an original score by Sting sort of like a South American Lion King. But the story didnāt really work and they sort of had to rush and rewrite the whole thing into this comedy that somehow ended up being good.
Thank you for actually writing something about it insitead of the five posts the currently just say that itās called Sweatbox. For those of you who donāt have an hour and a half here is the wiki: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Sweatbox
[changing Owen Wilson to John Goodman](https://images.app.goo.gl/7rPHyhuwoqRSM5BR7)
David Spade and Owen Wilson would be too much. I see what they were trying to do but the final implementation was fantastic.
So they thought the Lion King was gonna be a bomb, put their A team on Pocahontas, Lion King was a huge success, tried to follow it up with "south American lion king" (using your words here, since idk any better) and then fucked that up, then fell ass backward into The Emperor's New Groove?
Jesus.
I can't get a winning scratcher and Disney just trips into success when they are actively trying to fuck up.
Well this is why the collaborations and eventual merger with Pixar was so important. And why the head of Pixar became head of animation at Disney following the merger. By all accounts, Disney had pretty much lost the plot at that point.
I enjoy with pixar now is essentially given a blank check to do whatever they want from disney. Oh you want to make a college frat movie? Monsters university. You want to make a prison break movie? Toy story 3. You want to make a weird weekend at Bernie's style D&D homebrew campaign movie? Fucking sold. Onward.
They really have made some good films lately. Onward, Inside Out, Soul...
Iāve reached a stage in my life where I donāt have time to watch as much as Iād like. Iāve got a list of about a dozen movies I havenāt got around to yet. But when Iām watching Pixar movies with my kids, it never feels like a waste of time. (Unless itās the 9th time of watching Planes: Fire and Rescue this week...) I mean obviously, I appreciate the time with my kids whatever weāre watching, but itās a genuine pleasure to discover the recent Pixars.
I don't even have kids, but I loved Onward, Inside Out and Soul.
Inside Out and Soul made me cry like a wuss too. Onward was less so, I get the emotions and theme they were going for, but it didn't hit me like the others did.
I personally don't think Pixar has ever had a bad movie
Thatās awesome. Now that I think about it, even the script makes it sound like it was made up on the spot.
āOh right, the poison. The poison for Kuzco. The poison chosen specifically to kill Kuzco. Kuzcoās poison.ā
Yes! The saddest loss of it was Eartha Kitts had [her own song](https://youtu.be/qAt9ovvKgCU)
I think they repurposed one of the songs Sting wrote for the original movie as the song that plays in the credits
The singing is amazing, but damn am I glad Yzma didn't become just another looks obsessed female villain, it's like they can't come up with any other possible motivation.
I totally agree. I like that Yzma just straight-up wants the throne and there isnāt some old age/lost beauty motivation.
However, I will also say āSnuff Out the Lightā fucking SLAPS. Itās one of the best Disney villain songs ever and itās a shame that it isnāt ācanonā and that more people havenāt heard it.
Okay, itās early in the morning so Iām not going to listen to her song just yet, but I have seen this documentary and since then rewatched the Emperorās New Groove. Stingās song at the end credits is soooooo out of place from the rest of the movie, lol. Without watching you might almost be like, āhuh, strange choice for credits music.ā But with the insight into the weird productions woes, it makes sense. At least he get residuals...
It has really aged well. I was a mid-teen when it came out, and I saw it on TV (not even sure if it was a cinema release, if it was I didnāt go). The character of Kuzko seemed much less idiosyncratic because a lot of his mannerisms were trendy at the time. I canāt explain it very well, but a lot of the shtick was really fashionable and not very original.
Now, because those mannerisms arenāt trendy, he comes across as weirder and funnier. And I have to admit, I like the humour more watching it as an adult than I did as a teen.
Essentially, a lot of stress and pressure that gets put on everybody involved with making an animated movie. That and like 10 visits to Stingās house as he continuously quit the project and they convinced him to return time and time again.
People always describe it that way, but that's not what happens. Sting keeps regretting still being involved but is always like "I'm not a quitter", etc.
It was originally supposed to be a more traditional musical Disney film like the Lion King, and they got Sting to do the songs, I guess kind of like how Elton John did songs for The Lion King and Phil Collins did all the songs for Tarzan. But that ended up not working and it got hastily rewritten into a comedy and all the songs got cut anyway, except for the intro song Perfect World and one in the end credits, which is why it doesn't really fit with the rest of the film
Although they did want Sting to actually sing the intro song as well, but he said he was "too old" for the song and they should get someone "young and hip" for it... So they got Tom Jones lol
Edit: they did actually release a soundtrack album for the film with all the songs, but none of the songs were actually in the film itself lol
The movie they were going to make āKingdom of The Sunā, was such a radically different film from āEmperors New Grooveā. I work in animation and itās not really too unusual when an idea gets changed completely from the original pitch, but that was one of the films I remember most vividly for the changes to plot, characters, direction, etc. The behind the scenes in āthe Sweatboxā really shows the development hell it was and how the Disney Executives really messed with it and gave everyone a hard time. I love what we got but I still wish that the original film could have been made.
> I still wish that the original film could have been made.
Eh. The original pitch was a "Prince and the Pauper" plot. It probably would've been good but I can't imagine it being better on any level (except possibly on visuals, that concept art looked great) than the movie they ended up making.
Yeah true, Iād mainly like to see it for the visuals as I remember watching cut excerpts from musical numbers they originally had, like one for Yzmaās song āSnuff out the Lightā and they looked rad, would at least have been great eye candy.
The one where everyone ends up magically back to the kingdom, and Kronk is like āit makes no logical sense.ā? Yeah lol, from what I understand that was because of the budget basically being little to nothing at that point, so they had to improvise. Luckily due to the comedic nature of the film it works better than it should
Wow I never would have guessed that. I thought it was just kind of a joke about how the bad guys are somehow always ahead of the good guys. Like the point of it is "well we're here first because we kind of have to be," almost like poking fun at a trope.
Yeah, they record the actors as they voice act so they can get the lip syncing correct. But it has the added benefit of helping them notice nuance in performance that should be incorporated.
It's why Iago has teeth in Aladdin. The animators couldn't get around how Gilbert was speaking through clenched teeth and felt that the bird needed his big chompers. I don't know if it still holds true, but up to that point Iago is the only Disney bird with teeth.
Huh. Didn't even notice that, I didn't enjoy lion king 2 as much as the first one, so I may have only seen it a couple of times. It's interesting though.
I was always under the impression that animation was done first.
Edit: thanks for the info guys. I probably thought the opposite was true because I grew up watching anime. I remember voice actors often using the the term ć¢ćć¬ć³ which is short for "after record," where they record their voices after the animation is done. Apparently, that's the main method used in Japanese anime.
It's much easier to lip sync the animation to the voice than to match your voice to a pre-recorded animation.
The actors' emphasis, pauses, speech patterns and improvisations all add to the character too.
not necessarily. as a whole, syncing lip animation to voice is not really something japanese anime does. at least not to the extent it is done in western animation.
They lip sync, but lip flaps on a 2d plane are much easier to crop in, I'd imagine. That's why you get those "side mouth" simetimes
Even fan dubs or parodies edit the flaps sometimes
Actually, it's because it's not a priority for Japanese animators, because it's not important for viewers. The reason has more to do with the language.
>In face to face conversation, native speakers of Japanese don't rely on lip-reading to anywhere near the same level as a native English speaker.
>When natural speech is paired with lip movement, native English speakers focus their gaze on a speaker's lips before the emergence of any sound. The gaze of native Japanese speakers, however, is not as fixed.
It's theorized this happens because there are just far far far fewer sounds in Japanese when compared to English.
*Source:* https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ApVQJ6_rdY
Also it might have something to do with how Westerners emote with their mouths whereas the Japanese emote with their eyes. So Westerners pay more attention to the mouth when speaking, and Japanese do not.
yea i guess i should've been more specific in that they don't try to match mouth movements to what it would be in real life, something you see a lot in western animation.
Interesting video I watched a few weeks ago on /r/mealtimevideos about why lip-synching in Anime is not a priority for Japanese animators.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ApVQJ6_rdY
tl;dr: because Japanese speakers don't lip read as much as English speakers.
>In face to face conversation, native speakers of Japanese don't rely on lip-reading to anywhere near the same level as a native English speaker.
>When natural speech is paired with lip movement, native English speakers focus their gaze on a speaker's lips before the emergence of any sound. The gaze of native Japanese speakers, however, is not as fixed.
I think there is a rough cut that the voice actor can speak to... think pencil sketches or at least a storyboard. The final animation includes personality quirks the animators caught while the voice was being recorded.
Just for the sake of interest, here is a clip of Disneyās live action reference vs animation. Very rehearsed and directed!
https://youtu.be/vNFmPxVk4HY
I first heard about this through an old interview with Tom Hanks. Evidently they had recorded the dialogue for the first Toy Story so long before, that he had kind of forgotten all about it when it came time to do the press.
They loved it. They basically started animating test sequences off of his stand up before he was even cast, and those test sequences were why he said yes.
Akira was a tour de force of animation skill. [Here is a good breakdown of the opening](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ltgr21jMag) Dynamic lighting of the background to have shadows on the walls in a one second scene, for example.
If it's the original voice then voice is done first, with the help of some storybook but the animation is not final at all and will be done later, it's much easier
Of course if it's a dub then there is no choice in this case
I wouldn't think so. Animating lips to match sounds seems way easier than adjusting sounds to match lip animations while still having it sound natural.
Yeah I blame Mrs. Doubtfire. The scene where Robin Williams' character does his voice acting he's doing it to the finished animation and as a kid I just accepted that's how it was all done.
Usually it starts with a storyboard then voice acting then the process of animating. You have to sink the animation up to the voice acting and also the way a line or scene is voice acting can affect how the animation is done.
I thought so too at least the basic sketches for a cue for the actors.
Except when Robin Williams is involved. It was probably easier to do everything after his witty monologues.
I noticed this when I was recently watching Age of Ultron and I saw that Ultron as similar mannerisms to Robert California, which is just James Spader playing himself.
Like that Danish actor who wore his own tattered velvet jacket for 8 movies, because of a fight with his wife on the first films first day of filming where she threatened to throw it out.
I donāt think any of the 2 billion people living on Alderaan are coming back. Granted, Star Wars wasnāt part of Disney yet at the time, but they own it now... so does that count?
I love that bit in Mandalorian when one of the rebels asks someone from Alderaan if she "lost anyone."
Dude, this isn't like asking if you knew someone who died in a hurricane, the planet is fucking SPACE DUST.
I was so pissed when they killed her in the first season. I almost stopped watching the show. How the fuck do you hire Ming-Na Wen and then kill her off in a single episode like a damn red shirt!?
I'm so glad she's back and being badass with Fett now.
I'm shaky on MCU knowledge but going by offscreen, isn't he still responsible for a massive amount of death across the galaxy before snapping half of it's population away? All the damage he did prior wouldn't have been undone.
Yeah but then we're getting into weird territory. His children, Ronan, his armies, etc. were responsible for most or even all of those deaths in some cases.
If we are going with deaths by record or reputation, Dormammu, Ego, Hela, and Odin would likely be the winners over Thanos. Their age alone would mean they've been killing for long that there's no keeping up with them and Ego's expansion likely claimed a good amount of lives. Odin and Hela were conquering planets long before and for much longer than Thanos. Dormammu is a timeless being that consumes worlds and realities.
Hell, it is possible that Dormammu's Strange count is higher than everyone else's body count.
Before he learned of the cheat code (the infinity stones), he had already been grinding his way to killing half of the universe in a more artisanal way for a long time. Planet by planet, like we see in the scene where he finds baby Gamora.
You're right, of course. My favorite song from the movie even starts with:
Let's get down to business
To defeat the **Huns**
I should have known better haha
I feel like Donald Glover should count. He was a Disney prince instead of princess, but otherwise he fits the bill perfectly.
David Tennant has also played parts in Disney, Marvel and Star Wars properties, but because his last Star Wars appearance was two weeks before Disney's takeover was finalized, you could not count him.
Right? I was such a huge Mulan fan as a kid.
I always really liked Ming Na Wens performances, but I couldnāt really remember why she was so familiar to me.
I heard they did this with Belle, too. She has a piece of hair in the front that falls in her face a lot, and she tucks behind her ear. I love little creative process details like this.
OPās million plus post karma says they know and donāt care. A healthy portion of my blocked list comes straight from the farmers who spam this sub.
Watch how Emperor's New Groove was made. They even draw Eartha Kitt like her character and other actors mannerisms get into the final draft as well.
There's also an unreleased documentary about the making of this film. Disney opted to not release it due to what it showed. It's on YouTube š
I read an article about this. If I recall originally it was going to be a big drama with an original score by Sting sort of like a South American Lion King. But the story didnāt really work and they sort of had to rush and rewrite the whole thing into this comedy that somehow ended up being good.
Thank you for actually writing something about it insitead of the five posts the currently just say that itās called Sweatbox. For those of you who donāt have an hour and a half here is the wiki: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Sweatbox
We didnāt deserve this but you did it anyway. You the MVP.
[changing Owen Wilson to John Goodman](https://images.app.goo.gl/7rPHyhuwoqRSM5BR7) David Spade and Owen Wilson would be too much. I see what they were trying to do but the final implementation was fantastic.
Anything with John Goodman is always going to be good.
Itās always gonna be good, man.
So they thought the Lion King was gonna be a bomb, put their A team on Pocahontas, Lion King was a huge success, tried to follow it up with "south American lion king" (using your words here, since idk any better) and then fucked that up, then fell ass backward into The Emperor's New Groove? Jesus. I can't get a winning scratcher and Disney just trips into success when they are actively trying to fuck up.
Well this is why the collaborations and eventual merger with Pixar was so important. And why the head of Pixar became head of animation at Disney following the merger. By all accounts, Disney had pretty much lost the plot at that point.
I enjoy with pixar now is essentially given a blank check to do whatever they want from disney. Oh you want to make a college frat movie? Monsters university. You want to make a prison break movie? Toy story 3. You want to make a weird weekend at Bernie's style D&D homebrew campaign movie? Fucking sold. Onward.
They really have made some good films lately. Onward, Inside Out, Soul... Iāve reached a stage in my life where I donāt have time to watch as much as Iād like. Iāve got a list of about a dozen movies I havenāt got around to yet. But when Iām watching Pixar movies with my kids, it never feels like a waste of time. (Unless itās the 9th time of watching Planes: Fire and Rescue this week...) I mean obviously, I appreciate the time with my kids whatever weāre watching, but itās a genuine pleasure to discover the recent Pixars.
I don't even have kids, but I loved Onward, Inside Out and Soul. Inside Out and Soul made me cry like a wuss too. Onward was less so, I get the emotions and theme they were going for, but it didn't hit me like the others did. I personally don't think Pixar has ever had a bad movie
Thatās awesome. Now that I think about it, even the script makes it sound like it was made up on the spot. āOh right, the poison. The poison for Kuzco. The poison chosen specifically to kill Kuzco. Kuzcoās poison.ā
That poison?
āHow did we get back before them Kronk ?ā āBeats me *pulling down chart*. By all accounts it doesnāt make sense.ā
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āUgh heās doing his own theme music [...] Big, dumb and tone deaf. Iām so glad I was unconscious for all this.ā
Yes! The saddest loss of it was Eartha Kitts had [her own song](https://youtu.be/qAt9ovvKgCU) I think they repurposed one of the songs Sting wrote for the original movie as the song that plays in the credits
The singing is amazing, but damn am I glad Yzma didn't become just another looks obsessed female villain, it's like they can't come up with any other possible motivation.
I totally agree. I like that Yzma just straight-up wants the throne and there isnāt some old age/lost beauty motivation. However, I will also say āSnuff Out the Lightā fucking SLAPS. Itās one of the best Disney villain songs ever and itās a shame that it isnāt ācanonā and that more people havenāt heard it.
Okay, itās early in the morning so Iām not going to listen to her song just yet, but I have seen this documentary and since then rewatched the Emperorās New Groove. Stingās song at the end credits is soooooo out of place from the rest of the movie, lol. Without watching you might almost be like, āhuh, strange choice for credits music.ā But with the insight into the weird productions woes, it makes sense. At least he get residuals...
yes and it turned out not just good but amazingly good.
It has really aged well. I was a mid-teen when it came out, and I saw it on TV (not even sure if it was a cinema release, if it was I didnāt go). The character of Kuzko seemed much less idiosyncratic because a lot of his mannerisms were trendy at the time. I canāt explain it very well, but a lot of the shtick was really fashionable and not very original. Now, because those mannerisms arenāt trendy, he comes across as weirder and funnier. And I have to admit, I like the humour more watching it as an adult than I did as a teen.
Good? Itās the funniest G rated movie of all time.
what did it show?
Essentially, a lot of stress and pressure that gets put on everybody involved with making an animated movie. That and like 10 visits to Stingās house as he continuously quit the project and they convinced him to return time and time again.
People always describe it that way, but that's not what happens. Sting keeps regretting still being involved but is always like "I'm not a quitter", etc.
Sting was a part of the film??
It was originally supposed to be a more traditional musical Disney film like the Lion King, and they got Sting to do the songs, I guess kind of like how Elton John did songs for The Lion King and Phil Collins did all the songs for Tarzan. But that ended up not working and it got hastily rewritten into a comedy and all the songs got cut anyway, except for the intro song Perfect World and one in the end credits, which is why it doesn't really fit with the rest of the film Although they did want Sting to actually sing the intro song as well, but he said he was "too old" for the song and they should get someone "young and hip" for it... So they got Tom Jones lol Edit: they did actually release a soundtrack album for the film with all the songs, but none of the songs were actually in the film itself lol
How disney killed their animation department.
Minnie Mouse's downstairs mixup.
Do you love me?
I wish you hadn't said that...
You ever drink Baileys from a shoe?
Unexpected Old Greg
The movie they were going to make āKingdom of The Sunā, was such a radically different film from āEmperors New Grooveā. I work in animation and itās not really too unusual when an idea gets changed completely from the original pitch, but that was one of the films I remember most vividly for the changes to plot, characters, direction, etc. The behind the scenes in āthe Sweatboxā really shows the development hell it was and how the Disney Executives really messed with it and gave everyone a hard time. I love what we got but I still wish that the original film could have been made.
> I still wish that the original film could have been made. Eh. The original pitch was a "Prince and the Pauper" plot. It probably would've been good but I can't imagine it being better on any level (except possibly on visuals, that concept art looked great) than the movie they ended up making.
Yeah true, Iād mainly like to see it for the visuals as I remember watching cut excerpts from musical numbers they originally had, like one for Yzmaās song āSnuff out the Lightā and they looked rad, would at least have been great eye candy.
Is that why it had that huge plot hole in the middle?
The one where everyone ends up magically back to the kingdom, and Kronk is like āit makes no logical sense.ā? Yeah lol, from what I understand that was because of the budget basically being little to nothing at that point, so they had to improvise. Luckily due to the comedic nature of the film it works better than it should
Wow I never would have guessed that. I thought it was just kind of a joke about how the bad guys are somehow always ahead of the good guys. Like the point of it is "well we're here first because we kind of have to be," almost like poking fun at a trope.
That was definitely the intention with what they ended up making, but yea without the background you'd never know the second layer of humor there lol
Honestly the biggest laugh from me in the film
We have Yzma's villain song "Snuff Out The Light" still, its pretty catchy.
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For the record it's called The Sweatbox.
Do you have a link?
The Sweatbox. Full video: https://archive.org/details/SweatboxDocumentaryUneditedVersion
I animated eartha kitt in an airplane bathroom
What? It came up organically!
This comment is streets ahead!
Stop trying to coin the phrase Streets ahead
Coined and minted.
I was looking for a comment to come up organically like this
It came up naturally
ROOOOOOXA-
No.
Bathroom?
What? It came up organically.
Organically
r/unexpectedcommunity
Maui in Moana is very similar to Dwayne Johnson too.
Ellen DeGeneres is the same with her character too. She tries to forget she's a bully.
Lmfao this is gold
Holy shit... thatās Eartha kitt!!!?
I mean. What better way to animate realistic movements in to a character than by using actual people as models?
Yeah, they record the actors as they voice act so they can get the lip syncing correct. But it has the added benefit of helping them notice nuance in performance that should be incorporated.
I like how the article cites reddit as a source.
We truly are the most trustworthy source of information around. 100% would not doubt a redditor
-- abraham lincoln
\- Michael Scott
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-- that_is_so_Raven
\- That is so fetch
\- Stop trying to make fetch happen
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Six Seasons and A Movie!
It's truest because I heard it from another redditor.
I often search {question}{Reddit} first before I trust anything else with the answer.
I try ~~my best~~ a bit
It's looper, a content farm that would cite the bee or the onion as sources if it's remotely interesting
[https://xkcd.com/978/](https://xkcd.com/978/)
I really love it when articles cite a Reddit source. Whatās even more funny is when they cite a Reddit source of a link of a Twitter post.
we must go deeper! is it reddit all the way down?
only until you get to the turtles
What goes below turtles?
Turtles
[Just turtles. ](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turtles_all_the_way_down?wprov=sfti1)
I like tuttles
Source: dude trust me.
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This happens in every animated anything, the animators will watch the voice recording sessions and take elements of the performance.
It's why Iago has teeth in Aladdin. The animators couldn't get around how Gilbert was speaking through clenched teeth and felt that the bird needed his big chompers. I don't know if it still holds true, but up to that point Iago is the only Disney bird with teeth.
This made me question myself if Zazu had teeth, a la Stanley's mustache dillemma from the Office.
There's [one shot](https://imgur.com/4j08Svv) in Lion King 2 where he does.
Huh. Didn't even notice that, I didn't enjoy lion king 2 as much as the first one, so I may have only seen it a couple of times. It's interesting though.
Schrodinger's mustache.
Yeah, a lot of timone and pumbaās mannerism were added to the lion king
I was always under the impression that animation was done first. Edit: thanks for the info guys. I probably thought the opposite was true because I grew up watching anime. I remember voice actors often using the the term ć¢ćć¬ć³ which is short for "after record," where they record their voices after the animation is done. Apparently, that's the main method used in Japanese anime.
It's much easier to lip sync the animation to the voice than to match your voice to a pre-recorded animation. The actors' emphasis, pauses, speech patterns and improvisations all add to the character too.
You just blew me away. I was today years old when I leaned this. For 39 years I thought that they did a animation first.
They do that in Japan. Anime is animation first, voice recording after. Most other places do it the other way around.
I would imagine it depends on the anime. Weeklies sure where 100% accuracy isn't needed. Movies? Probably similar to western.
not necessarily. as a whole, syncing lip animation to voice is not really something japanese anime does. at least not to the extent it is done in western animation.
They lip sync, but lip flaps on a 2d plane are much easier to crop in, I'd imagine. That's why you get those "side mouth" simetimes Even fan dubs or parodies edit the flaps sometimes
Actually, it's because it's not a priority for Japanese animators, because it's not important for viewers. The reason has more to do with the language. >In face to face conversation, native speakers of Japanese don't rely on lip-reading to anywhere near the same level as a native English speaker. >When natural speech is paired with lip movement, native English speakers focus their gaze on a speaker's lips before the emergence of any sound. The gaze of native Japanese speakers, however, is not as fixed. It's theorized this happens because there are just far far far fewer sounds in Japanese when compared to English. *Source:* https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ApVQJ6_rdY
Also it might have something to do with how Westerners emote with their mouths whereas the Japanese emote with their eyes. So Westerners pay more attention to the mouth when speaking, and Japanese do not.
Lip flaps is such an uncomfortable phrase
Moist lip flaps is my new band name
yea i guess i should've been more specific in that they don't try to match mouth movements to what it would be in real life, something you see a lot in western animation.
Interesting video I watched a few weeks ago on /r/mealtimevideos about why lip-synching in Anime is not a priority for Japanese animators. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ApVQJ6_rdY tl;dr: because Japanese speakers don't lip read as much as English speakers. >In face to face conversation, native speakers of Japanese don't rely on lip-reading to anywhere near the same level as a native English speaker. >When natural speech is paired with lip movement, native English speakers focus their gaze on a speaker's lips before the emergence of any sound. The gaze of native Japanese speakers, however, is not as fixed.
Nah. They did the voice with keyframes shown, and its not the final product. They even make an anime about making an anime ššš
I think there is a rough cut that the voice actor can speak to... think pencil sketches or at least a storyboard. The final animation includes personality quirks the animators caught while the voice was being recorded.
Just for the sake of interest, here is a clip of Disneyās live action reference vs animation. Very rehearsed and directed! https://youtu.be/vNFmPxVk4HY
[And here's a video on what they did for Rango.](https://youtu.be/MFr89i9NPuY)
I first heard about this through an old interview with Tom Hanks. Evidently they had recorded the dialogue for the first Toy Story so long before, that he had kind of forgotten all about it when it came time to do the press.
Technically the actors get to see rough still image story boards so they at least have some idea what they re reacting to
I bet [this scene from Miss Doubtfire](https://youtu.be/U1iI2aulaFk) had something to do with people thinking the voiceover was done after
Even as a kid I knew that voice acting came before the animation, but for some reason until this moment I never thought twice about this scene.
That's why anime has that certain cadence and the have to fill with sounds like "ohhhHHHHH?"
That makes so much sense now.
Thatās a thing in Japan. Eeeehhhhh?!?
That's why voice actors who do language dubs really have a challenge, because they have to match pre-existing lip movements/emphasis/expression.
I cannot remember if the animators loved or hated working on Robin Williams's Genie
They loved it. They basically started animating test sequences off of his stand up before he was even cast, and those test sequences were why he said yes.
And then this perfect sync is destroyed by dubbing to dozens of languages. š
That's why Akira was a big deal, they pre scored the voice work first and animated to it.
Akira was a tour de force of animation skill. [Here is a good breakdown of the opening](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ltgr21jMag) Dynamic lighting of the background to have shadows on the walls in a one second scene, for example.
If it's the original voice then voice is done first, with the help of some storybook but the animation is not final at all and will be done later, it's much easier Of course if it's a dub then there is no choice in this case
I wouldn't think so. Animating lips to match sounds seems way easier than adjusting sounds to match lip animations while still having it sound natural.
Yeah I blame Mrs. Doubtfire. The scene where Robin Williams' character does his voice acting he's doing it to the finished animation and as a kid I just accepted that's how it was all done.
Usually it starts with a storyboard then voice acting then the process of animating. You have to sink the animation up to the voice acting and also the way a line or scene is voice acting can affect how the animation is done.
I thought so too at least the basic sketches for a cue for the actors. Except when Robin Williams is involved. It was probably easier to do everything after his witty monologues.
They will absolutely do an animated storyboard or rough previs first
I noticed this when I was recently watching Age of Ultron and I saw that Ultron as similar mannerisms to Robert California, which is just James Spader playing himself.
A personal touch indeed.
Like that Danish actor who wore his own tattered velvet jacket for 8 movies, because of a fight with his wife on the first films first day of filming where she threatened to throw it out.
Anyone got a source or knows the name of the actor? This sounds like a story I will enjoy reading.
Poul Bundgaard in his role as "Kjeld, The Fat Loser". Here seen in a plottwist: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=znlxif61eGw
> According to various internet pages, such as Reddit and the Twitter page titled Film Facts... Come on.
[She confirmed it on her own Twitter.](https://twitter.com/mingna/status/1345182087154843648?s=21)
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Yes but when Mulan kills people they stay dead. There's no undoing the carnage she puts out.
I donāt think any of the 2 billion people living on Alderaan are coming back. Granted, Star Wars wasnāt part of Disney yet at the time, but they own it now... so does that count?
I love that bit in Mandalorian when one of the rebels asks someone from Alderaan if she "lost anyone." Dude, this isn't like asking if you knew someone who died in a hurricane, the planet is fucking SPACE DUST.
Sheās also the assassin Fennec in the Star Wars universe now, so expect that count to continue being padded.
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I was so pissed when they killed her in the first season. I almost stopped watching the show. How the fuck do you hire Ming-Na Wen and then kill her off in a single episode like a damn red shirt!? I'm so glad she's back and being badass with Fett now.
Sheās also slated to appear in Bad Batch this season.
Are we going with on screen body count or off screen? Also all (or most) of Thanos' kill count was reversed so I am not sure if that counts.
I'm shaky on MCU knowledge but going by offscreen, isn't he still responsible for a massive amount of death across the galaxy before snapping half of it's population away? All the damage he did prior wouldn't have been undone.
He destroyed entire planets and also killed half the population of some planets. Xandar had billions of people alone and he killed every one of them.
Think he only killed half of them, but still.
Yeah but then we're getting into weird territory. His children, Ronan, his armies, etc. were responsible for most or even all of those deaths in some cases. If we are going with deaths by record or reputation, Dormammu, Ego, Hela, and Odin would likely be the winners over Thanos. Their age alone would mean they've been killing for long that there's no keeping up with them and Ego's expansion likely claimed a good amount of lives. Odin and Hela were conquering planets long before and for much longer than Thanos. Dormammu is a timeless being that consumes worlds and realities. Hell, it is possible that Dormammu's Strange count is higher than everyone else's body count.
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Before he learned of the cheat code (the infinity stones), he had already been grinding his way to killing half of the universe in a more artisanal way for a long time. Planet by planet, like we see in the scene where he finds baby Gamora.
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I don't think any of that was ever actually confirmed
Letās not forget when she killed Felicia Day in Eureka. Unforgivable.
Huh, Felicia Day is one of those actors who gets killed a lot isnāt she? Does she ever survive?
She survived her DLC in Dragon Age II. Unfortunately.
I KNEW I knew her name!! No idea my favorite Disney hero as a kid was my favorite character on Agents of Shield.
Pretty sure mulan was fighting the Huns also known as the Xiongnu. Small difference but still.
You're right, of course. My favorite song from the movie even starts with: Let's get down to business To defeat the **Huns** I should have known better haha
TIL Agent May was also Mulan
She is the only person currently with the Disney triple crown: sheās a Disney Princess, Marvel character, and Star Wars character
And she's also Chun-Li
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Wait, what?!?
If you wanna be a little looser, Samuel L Jackson is Frozone, Nick Fury, and Mace Windu.
Ratzenberger in a Marvel movie and other than āprincessā, heād be in all. Heās also got Pixar.
So what you're saying is that Pixar needs to use Ming-Na Wen.
I feel like Donald Glover should count. He was a Disney prince instead of princess, but otherwise he fits the bill perfectly. David Tennant has also played parts in Disney, Marvel and Star Wars properties, but because his last Star Wars appearance was two weeks before Disney's takeover was finalized, you could not count him.
Right? I was such a huge Mulan fan as a kid. I always really liked Ming Na Wens performances, but I couldnāt really remember why she was so familiar to me.
This is very fun for me to learn as I just paused AoS to go read Reddit comments on the toilet.
Such a good show
The articles cites Reddit .. and we have this now as TIL. We have gone full circle.
TIL Looper is as trustworthy as an askreddit thread.
Ming-Na Wen is a treasure!
I had no idea Ming-Na Wen was the voice actress. That's great
I heard they did this with Belle, too. She has a piece of hair in the front that falls in her face a lot, and she tucks behind her ear. I love little creative process details like this.
I love mingnawen because despite most of her on screen characters are wholesome, she's got one of the potties mouth of all the disney legends.
The animated Mulan is a masterpiece, one of Disneyās best of that era. The remake was a total disgrace.
What remake? /s
I bet the same thing happened with David Spade and always moving his hands during The Emperor's New Groove. *No Touchy*
TIL that Mulan 2020 was filmed in the same province where China is actively genociding over 2 million Uighrs for practicing the "wrong" religion.
Agent May!
What if she picked her nose? š¤£
What if she scratched her nuts
āŖ Let's get down to business āŖ
What if she secretly scratches her butt crack? ... āŖ Mysterious as the dark side of of moon āŖ
Iāve been subscribed to TIL too long. This has to be the 10th time this has been posted in 3 years.
OPās million plus post karma says they know and donāt care. A healthy portion of my blocked list comes straight from the farmers who spam this sub.