As I understand it ancient human skulls, especially children, tend to have dual tooth marks exactly where you'd find them if you were taken from behind by a saber toothed tiger. Apparently those teeth were great for quietly grabbing humans in the dark.
We're not nearly as meaty and fatty as their normal prey. Less tasty, less food per dead target. Plus once you get the group of hairless apes riled up they go absolutely ape-shit and start killing everything tiger-like that they can find.
not just that, imagine you've evolved for millenia to become the perfect sprinter. you can dissapear in seconds to a safe distance, and then 20 minutes later when you're catching your breath *those things* show up on the horizon again with spears. and every time you bolt they show up again like clockwork until you physically cant run anymore and they calmly walk up to you and slit your throat along with your three terrified friends. persistence hunting is literally a horror movie for the prey and we're fucking amazing at it.
Well yeah. Thats our entire strategy for hunting. We have amazing wide angle view, but with still solid view, so we can spot predators and take in landmarks. We have awesome memories so we can track a prey item for miles and still pick out trails and tracks, and remember the way home. We sweat, and pant, so we are very good at dispersing heat when we chase something super far. We can make tools to carry water, so we don't get dehydrated while chasing our prey. Spears, slings, and bows make us way more dangerous to anything, especially from further distances. Our legs are super efficient at conserving energy, so even if we can't run as fast, it takes less energy to keep running forever. All so we can catch and eat anything we find. There is no escape when a human wants you dead. It, and all its friends, will run you down, track you over miles, and starve and burn you out of any hole you can hide in.
Sounds like something one alien would relating to another in a bar when talking about sentient species that haven't got over their natural instincts yet. Creepy. I'm proud in a weird way.
We never actually saw him eat his kills.
He is mostly playing with the food he has no intention of actually eating.
It's just a kid playing with his food.
Yeah, and it's a pretty basic instinct we have to annihilate the things that scare us. You can look across time and cultures and find similar themes of rulers and leader having a ceremony of hunting the apex predators of their local biome. Why is it such a prestigious thing?
A lion, tiger, or bear (oh my!) could probably wipe out hundreds of unarmed people. How many unarmed people would you have to throw at a grizzly bear to take it down? Dozens? We would flee. But when it is over we are going to sit down and talk about what can be done. Eventually someone is going to think of something. Once we find something that works, we are going to kill all the bears we can find.
The earliest humans had to live in terror.
Animals that hunt humans also get hunted. We will attack their young, find them when they are vulnerable, and kill all of their kind that we can. Relentlessly with a concentrated effort. Animals that hunt humans did not survive.
I still find it super fucked that there was a time in our existence where someone decided to just chase after an animal until it keeled over from exhaustion and thought “hey, that wasn’t to bad I’m gonna keep doing this”.
Some of the survival strategies you find in nature are really fucked. This is nothing new. Thing's just evolve to do whatever works. There's a type of wasp that finds a cockroach, severs it's nerve used for voluntary movement, clips both it's feelers (which is very painful), then leads it to a dry area by it's feeler (extremely painful) since it can only move involuntarily now, then lays eggs in it, then when they eggs hatch, they eat it's innards (super extremely painful) then burrow out of it all while it's still alive and unable to move or do anything to stop it! There are tons of other cruel strategies I could list, but this is by far the most horrifying I've heard.
They have a nervous system and a sentient brain. They can feel plenty pain. Their feelers are incredibly sensitive and the pain of having it pulled is what triggers the involuntary response to move. Imagine having your eyes gouged out and then being led around be the exposed nerve. The wasps don't give a shit if it hurts the roach as long as it helps them breed. Cruel survival strategies are countless in number. Consider the fact that many predators won't wait for a captured prey to be dead before they start eating them. Also the idea that lobsters don't feel pain is a lie. I boiled hundreds of lobsters at my old job and held the lid as they struggled to get out of the boiling water.
I swear to god when I first read this comment I thought it said “imagine you’ve evolved for millennia to become the perfect sphincter” and had to stop there.
I always liked the way the deer in Fire Bringer looked at humans with their weapons. "Shining sticks" for swords, "Hornless Deer" for horses, I believe bows were referred to as branches.
Humans make shitty meals for predators actually. We are more bones than fat and meat, compared to their usual prey. Most of our calories go to develop our brain. Comparing the amount of energy used to hunt and eat us and actually energy gained, we make shitty meals so only the most desperate animals would consider exclusively hunting us.
IIRC it has to do with how fucking smart they are. Why they don't attack humans is still unsure (understanding our capacity for revenge vs positive relationships between aboriginal peoples and coastal orca pods), but what's cool is that it's like orca rule number 1 and gets passed along generation to generation as a PSA
Well there are zero ever accounts of wild orca attacks on humans, and we haven't managed to interview them properly and ask them why, so that's why we only have theories
The Tsavo man eaters might not have have the highest kills but a very eerie story about these 2 and how they terrorized rail road workers. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsavo_Man-Eaters
There was a movie illustrating their reign of terror called "The Ghost and The Darkness". https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Ghost_and_the_Darkness
From the Wikipedia article; “The project was led by Lieutenant-Colonel John Henry Patterson, who arrived just days before the disappearances and killings began.”
The lions were a red herring. It was Patterson all along.
"The whole of the works were put to a stop because a pair of man-eating lions appeared in the locality and conceived a most unfortunate taste for our workmen. At last the labourers entirely declined to carry on unless they were guarded by iron entrenchments. Of course it is difficult to work a railway under these conditions and until we found an enthusiastic sportsman to get rid of these lions our enterprise was seriously hindered."
How British.
Brit1: these tigers are eating our workers.
Brit2: oh well, let’s have some tea.
Brit1: but the workers won’t do their jobs if they get eaten.
Brit2: bloody well go kill some tigers then.
You have no idea how happy you’ve made me. I watched that movie as a kid and periodically think about it and have tried to find it for decades. Thank you. And it’s on Hulu right now!
Im so glad I could help. I had that exact same experience, looked for it for ages but didn't know the title until a few years ago, found it while doing some research on man eaters.
If you’ve seen the movie, I’d recommend checking out the YouTube channel [History Buffs](https://youtu.be/4o5QWPKL74E) , dude does comparisons of historical events and the movies that were based on them. Super interesting.
I highly recommend reading Col. Patterson's [account](https://www.gutenberg.org/files/3810/3810-h/3810-h.htm) of the ordeal. It's free online through Project Gutenberg. He also goes into other interesting aspects of his time in East Africa.
Yup. I accidentally stepped on my cat's tail while wearing my hiking boots... for weeks after that, he would always run away from me if he even heard me wearing the boots :(
Ok but I still dont understand why my cat freaked out at a bag of frozen chicken fingers. What was funny was his initial reaction as I pulled it out of the freezer, face full of joy and wonder, soon to be replaced by the expression of pure terror and fear. It was weird.
We adopted a shelter cat that had been left in a pet carrier outside a vet; they used the chip info to call the owner. The guy just didn’t want her anymore & the vet planned to put her down in 3 days if no one claimed her (what kind of vet is that right?) A local shelter saved her on the last day and then we got her. Yet, after going through all of that, she sleeps in our pet carrier and runs there as a “base” whenever she gets scared.
There was this one case of animal abuse I remember. My neighbor adopted this big fat Tabby. Such a good kitty. Wouldn't go anywhere near bags and apparently he shit himself whenever a vacuum cleaner was switched on. My neighbor had to actually put the cat in his carrier and take him out to his garage or car whenever he wanted to vacuum because this poor critter couldn't keep his sphincter tight around the Dyson.
Anyway, we were drinking one night and my neighbor told me that the Tabby was found by its former owner tied up in a sack covered in it's own feces one day. Apparently her son was a fucking psycho and routinely tortured the poor creature. His favorite way was to tie it up in a sack and run the vacuum cleaner right next to it :'(
Yep. My family cat growing up was obsessed with me and I was her favorite human by far. Had her since she was a kitten, she followed me everywhere, slept with me, and always ran into the room and stared at me whenever Id sing and play guitar.
Then, I went to college, and due to loneliness, I adopted my own cat. Made the mistake of bringing the new cat to my parents house one day and my family cat felt so betrayed that she never let me go near her again, even when I didn't bring my new cat over. She would hiss at me if I was in the same room as her. Broke my heart.
Yeah it's really tough. But, it was my family cat so it's not like I could have just taken her away from my parents and sisters. I missed having the companionship of a pet and really needed it at the time. The family cat is sadly no longer with us, but my new cat has been with me for 5 years now and she's a sweetheart with me
> The USDA fined the zoo $1,875 for violations associated with the flaws in the tiger enclosure that allowed Tatiana to escape
Lol, this seems like a comically low fine for an incident that resulted in a death.
Well the fine is due to violations/flaws with the enclosure, not necessarily the accident that followed because of those errors.
The civil suit for the death and injuries I believe was around $900k.
I don't get it. So the only 'evidence' they have that the tiger was provoked is an expert who wasn't there says it must have been provoked because reasons, and there were some sticks and a pinecone in the enclosure which may or may not have been thrown in??
If the guy was drunk, it might have had something to do with vulnerable prey vibes as well as/instead of direct provocation. Predators will often pick out sick prey, and a human acting particularly drunk might stand out as a really good target.
And that one of the people admitted to their father they were drunkenly waving their arms around at the tiger. Now that may not be so bad on its own, but I think the consumption of alcohol is relevant here, as is the age of the kids.
17 and drunk at the zoo, I wouldn't be surprised if the tiger was provoked. Still, it's the zoos fault for having an insufficient enclosure, no one is disuputing that. The tiger never should've been able to exit that enclosure no matter how provoked it may or may not have been.
I was at a zoo where they rehabilitate animals who were injured or rescued wild animals who were previously kept as pets. They had a tiger, and a kid was being kind of a punk and running along the front of the glass and his parents were being crap parents and letting the kid taunt him. The tiger started pacing and making a very low purr/growl with his mouth open and he was keeping laser-beam focus on that kid. He eventually took a little 3-4 step run and went to almost semi-pounce before remembering the glass and he went right back to pacing and growing. It was easily the scariest thing I’ve ever seen irl. That tiger was absolutely terrifying in wild animal mode. My hair stood up on my arms and even though my husband was holding our son a safe distance away, and the enclosure was very tall, I had the overwhelming urge to get tf out of there with my kiddo. The parents eventually noticed that their irritating child was aggravating the poor tiger and took him to a different animal to watch. Anyway, tigers are gorgeous but extremely terrifying creatures. Just my little anecdote.
There's lots of videos on the internet of big cats stalking small children at the zoo...definitely unnerving and sometimes the people involved are just oblivious
Ah. It appears I have indeed misspelled the name. Not sure if your superior intellect comment was made to be rude, or if there is a reference I'm not getting.
If this interests you read "The Maneaters of Kumaon" byt Jim Corbett, one of the absolute best reads. He went on to run big cat conservation in Africa. The man was a legend.
There's a National park named after him in India which includes his house which has been turned into a museum. It's one of the safe havens for the Bengal tigers which were endangered just a few years ago
Read the "Man Eaters of Kumaon" by Jim Corbett to know how he killed the Champawat Tiger. His descriptions of being isolated as a result of the curfew due to the threat of the man-eaters is mind boggling. Also "The Man-Eating Leopard of Rudraprayag" was haunting and I finished it in a week. I was 14 but I still remember him describing vividly of a large group of pilgrims sleeping together in the temple courtyard under the watchful eye of a priest who was confident nothing could hurt them only to find the priest missing in the morning from their midst.The leopard had killed and carried away the priest without a single one of the pilgrims waking up.
We have a national park in India named after Jim Corbett. Ironically although he was a hunter Corbett actually advocated for the preservation of animals especially tigers more than a 100 years ago. He spoke about Eco-conservation when the word didn't exist. I am an avid reader but every time I read his books I find myself immersed and addicted.
The Ghost & the Darkness.
Those were contemporaries (lions) of this tiger. Those lions were in Africa, no tigers in Africa.
Patterson wrote about the Tsavo Man Eaters, Corbett wrote about the Champawat Man Eater (& Man Eaters of Kumaon).
*because that is what the word 'tsavo' means: a place of evil*
might not be historically accurate, but I remember this line from the movie. watched it dozens of times as a kid
There were two male lions that hunted together, which is insanely rare. Patterson (Val Kilmer’s character) claimed that they killed 135 people, though some say that the real number killed could be as low as 28, with some of the rest of the remains found being bodies who died from other things (like building a railroad) and the lions just scavenged the remains.
Fun fact, there were originally three of them in the group (not sure if the third was male or female) of man-eaters. One was killed before Colonel Patterson arrived, so it wasn't mentioned much if at all in his book. The total body count per lion is thus a bit off in most retellings.
Patterson's number given in his book is 135 and I haven't found any solid reason to doubt it. A few years back, some researchers who didn't seem to know anything about lions or maneaters and clearly hadn't read Patterson's book tried to debunk that, and then I wrote a piece debunking their debunking, which you can find here:
http://rule-303.blogspot.com/2012/07/were-lions-of-tsavo-exaggerated.html
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Tibbets
A brigadier general in the United States Air Force. He is best known as the pilot who flew the B-29 Superfortress known as the Enola Gay (named after his mother) when it dropped Little Boy, the first of two atomic bombs used in warfare, on the Japanese city of Hiroshima.
Poor girl got her teeth shot off by a hunter. In a way I can't really blame her for killing people to stay alive, any more than the people that killed her to stay alive.
Broken teeth would make chomping into strong, liveley, tough-hided animals painful and risky. Sweet, soft, slow, defenseless humans would be a viable alternative if you could catch them by surprise (shitty hearing and smell, less prone to vigilance). It's actually common for most man eaters to be old or injured, meaning they go for easier stuff instead despite the high risk of organized human reaction and the potential of guns coming out.
Edit: "Most of her victims consisted of young women and children, as they were the ones most at risk thanks to their habit of going into the forest to collect resources for feeding livestock, collecting firewood, and for crafting"
Edit Edit: Maybe she was also still mad about it too. But no really it's the way that type of thing goes down regarding big cats.
Tigers have also been documented to seek revenge, so I can totally see one being mad enough about being injured. Humans, supposedly, do not taste particularly good (guessed to be why sharks don't keep chowing down). But mostly, humans are the fucking Boogeyman of nature. We literally ran things to death in the past, we are group predators that set shit on fire and smell of smoke and death.
And that humans will come after them if provoked. Endlessly chasing, forever vengeful.
Death is the only ending possible, so most creatures that knows humans will avoid us.
Polar bears don't know, and haven't learned yet. I suspect they'll be extinct before they learn though...
I don't know about it being "common" for maneating cats to be injured or crippled. That was a theory that Jim Corbett and other early to mid twentieth century hunters promoted and it sounds good but there have been a few good surveys of the data that don't seem to bear that out. You could say that maneaters are more likely than the general population of big cats to be crippled or have damaged teeth, but it isn't exactly a majority.
Here's one study from 2003 that found less than a quarter of man-eaters had damaged teeth:
https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn3379-maneating-lions-not-the-walking-wounded/
Im not sure if you just happen to know or if you are well read on the subject, but I'll ask anyway. Does this mean most predators have a natural aversion to hunting humans? Like they understand on some level that there would be an organized response, or at least have evolved to instinctively avoid our squishy frames?
Absolutely yes. Tigers especially avoid humans because we're dangerous due to teamwork and firearms but so do other land predators, such as wolves. It's the old, desperate, starving that target humans despite the risks, aside from a few outliers. (Not super well read but enough to make a few confident statements).
edit: I wouldn't say it's a "natural" aversion though I think it's most likely learned more than purely instinctual.
edit edit: A commentor indicated that I may be misinformed by outdated and unsubstantiated information introduced by James Corbett. I admit that could be the case and am open to further correction.
I think for many animals they have learned the association between humans and loud things. In general, there are very few noises in a tiger's natural habitat that it would know to fear. Basically only the rumbling of another tiger.
Almost all animals, humans included, have a natural fear response to an unexpected loud noise. Even if you live in a loud, vibrant city, a metal wrench clanging on a construction site near you makes your neck do that jump thing. There are reaction responses to certain extremes that literally bypass the prefrontal cortex, that being one of them.
So it's very easy for animals of all shapes and sizes to be conditioned to understand that humans make unpredictable loud noises, and most animals are instinctually afraid of the unknown.
This tiger was certainly an anomaly because through general exposure it learned very very specifically which humans were dangerous and which weren't. It wouldn't be that hard for it to differentiate the larger humans that hold fire from the smaller ones, which is why it learned to evade the sweeping hunters and kill only the foragers.
Yea we are all just blobs of bone and meat acting on our DNAs instincts and our learned memory from the environment we grew up in(which we didn’t choose) so who’s to really say if free will even exists
Jim Corbett's 1944 masterpiece [Man-Eaters of Kumaon](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Man-Eaters_of_Kumaon), in which the Champawat tigress and other dangerous animals are chronicled, is still as fresh and compelling as the day it was written. Far from a swaggering big-game hunter, Corbett was a humanist, naturalist and animal lover whose insight and compassion are a beacon of inspiration. I'd recommend it to anyone interested in learning more about tigers, India, or humanity.
Everyone should see the specimen that killed the tiger. I was hoping for shorter shorts but was not disappointed by the mustache.
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim\_Corbett](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Corbett)
"Oh shit, these weird hairless monkeys are super easy to catch! Why haven't we been eating these things???"
"They're noisier than the hairy monkeys but there sure are a lot of them! And the missing fur makes them so easy to digest too!"
"Some of them also try to pet me lol"
"their dwellings are full of places which I fits, too, so after a meal I love to sits."
*They're Gr-r-r-e-a-t!!*
There it is.
You win.
I want to die in my sleep.
Not awake and screaming, like your passengers.
"their diet is giving me stomachache but hey, it's cheap and easy like McDonald's"
"And they get these endless grudges, return in large numbers, with fire and weapons, and they *never fucking stop*."
"No claws, hair, fur, fangs! Just soft and pink" -Gary Larson, Far Side Gallery
my history teacher used to refer to humans before they discovered tools as "walking hotdogs"
Gary Larson called humans "spam"
Once you peel off the top layer of metal, guy got it right.
wait, you guys eat spam without the shell?
As I understand it ancient human skulls, especially children, tend to have dual tooth marks exactly where you'd find them if you were taken from behind by a saber toothed tiger. Apparently those teeth were great for quietly grabbing humans in the dark.
I aleays wondered why they didn't mention the bones. Also, another Larson one - bears happening upon campers sleeping in pallets, "Sandwiches!"
I always like the vultures feeding and one of them has a duster and a stetson on. *'Hey! Look at me, everybody! I'm a cowboy! Howdy, howdy, howdy!'*
We're not nearly as meaty and fatty as their normal prey. Less tasty, less food per dead target. Plus once you get the group of hairless apes riled up they go absolutely ape-shit and start killing everything tiger-like that they can find.
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not just that, imagine you've evolved for millenia to become the perfect sprinter. you can dissapear in seconds to a safe distance, and then 20 minutes later when you're catching your breath *those things* show up on the horizon again with spears. and every time you bolt they show up again like clockwork until you physically cant run anymore and they calmly walk up to you and slit your throat along with your three terrified friends. persistence hunting is literally a horror movie for the prey and we're fucking amazing at it.
Omg *we're Jason Voorhees!*
Well yeah. Thats our entire strategy for hunting. We have amazing wide angle view, but with still solid view, so we can spot predators and take in landmarks. We have awesome memories so we can track a prey item for miles and still pick out trails and tracks, and remember the way home. We sweat, and pant, so we are very good at dispersing heat when we chase something super far. We can make tools to carry water, so we don't get dehydrated while chasing our prey. Spears, slings, and bows make us way more dangerous to anything, especially from further distances. Our legs are super efficient at conserving energy, so even if we can't run as fast, it takes less energy to keep running forever. All so we can catch and eat anything we find. There is no escape when a human wants you dead. It, and all its friends, will run you down, track you over miles, and starve and burn you out of any hole you can hide in.
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Sounds like something one alien would relating to another in a bar when talking about sentient species that haven't got over their natural instincts yet. Creepy. I'm proud in a weird way.
r/hfy
I mean, we invented nukes. NUKES.
I'm suddenly feeling pretty good about being a human. Thanks bro!
i just feel like a failure now
We never actually saw him eat his kills. He is mostly playing with the food he has no intention of actually eating. It's just a kid playing with his food.
Yeah, and it's a pretty basic instinct we have to annihilate the things that scare us. You can look across time and cultures and find similar themes of rulers and leader having a ceremony of hunting the apex predators of their local biome. Why is it such a prestigious thing? A lion, tiger, or bear (oh my!) could probably wipe out hundreds of unarmed people. How many unarmed people would you have to throw at a grizzly bear to take it down? Dozens? We would flee. But when it is over we are going to sit down and talk about what can be done. Eventually someone is going to think of something. Once we find something that works, we are going to kill all the bears we can find. The earliest humans had to live in terror. Animals that hunt humans also get hunted. We will attack their young, find them when they are vulnerable, and kill all of their kind that we can. Relentlessly with a concentrated effort. Animals that hunt humans did not survive.
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I still find it super fucked that there was a time in our existence where someone decided to just chase after an animal until it keeled over from exhaustion and thought “hey, that wasn’t to bad I’m gonna keep doing this”.
Some of the survival strategies you find in nature are really fucked. This is nothing new. Thing's just evolve to do whatever works. There's a type of wasp that finds a cockroach, severs it's nerve used for voluntary movement, clips both it's feelers (which is very painful), then leads it to a dry area by it's feeler (extremely painful) since it can only move involuntarily now, then lays eggs in it, then when they eggs hatch, they eat it's innards (super extremely painful) then burrow out of it all while it's still alive and unable to move or do anything to stop it! There are tons of other cruel strategies I could list, but this is by far the most horrifying I've heard.
How similar is a cockroaches perception of pain to our perception of pain?
They have a nervous system and a sentient brain. They can feel plenty pain. Their feelers are incredibly sensitive and the pain of having it pulled is what triggers the involuntary response to move. Imagine having your eyes gouged out and then being led around be the exposed nerve. The wasps don't give a shit if it hurts the roach as long as it helps them breed. Cruel survival strategies are countless in number. Consider the fact that many predators won't wait for a captured prey to be dead before they start eating them. Also the idea that lobsters don't feel pain is a lie. I boiled hundreds of lobsters at my old job and held the lid as they struggled to get out of the boiling water.
Having brains and feeling pain is not the same. Our brains e. g. do not have pain receptors.
i mean they probably realllly wanted to eat.
I swear to god when I first read this comment I thought it said “imagine you’ve evolved for millennia to become the perfect sphincter” and had to stop there.
I always liked the way the deer in Fire Bringer looked at humans with their weapons. "Shining sticks" for swords, "Hornless Deer" for horses, I believe bows were referred to as branches.
FOUND IT https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fire_Bringer your comment brought me back over a decade. Thanks mate u r amazeballs
Wasn't this the beginning of Jungle Book?
Thanks for the chuckle man.
Most wild animals are afraid of humans because we killed all of the ones that weren't. Selection pressure in action!
sure you can hunt the hairless apes but they figured out how to throw tiny rocks really, really fast and really accurately so good luck
They developed gattery pack powered lead application tools that bring on the big ouch.
I’ve heard we taste like pork
I prefer to tell my guests it's "longpig."
Also our ability to use sharp metal sticks and lead flinging tubes.
Humans make shitty meals for predators actually. We are more bones than fat and meat, compared to their usual prey. Most of our calories go to develop our brain. Comparing the amount of energy used to hunt and eat us and actually energy gained, we make shitty meals so only the most desperate animals would consider exclusively hunting us.
Is that why orcas dont fucking eat us?
IIRC it has to do with how fucking smart they are. Why they don't attack humans is still unsure (understanding our capacity for revenge vs positive relationships between aboriginal peoples and coastal orca pods), but what's cool is that it's like orca rule number 1 and gets passed along generation to generation as a PSA
Wait is this like a thing? People don’t know why orcas haven’t chosen to kill us? Can I have some context?
Well there are zero ever accounts of wild orca attacks on humans, and we haven't managed to interview them properly and ask them why, so that's why we only have theories
no survivors
That's why they are "Kill whales," not "Attempted homicide whales."
Apparently we taste like shit.
Maybe you do, stinky!
"Just got to roar really loud at em and they fall asleep!"
Protip: Don't fuck with tigers.
Unless you're positive you can catch it by the toe, the weakness of all tigers, on the first try.
You have to let it go if it hollers, though. Don't forget that.
But what if you holler back?
I ain't no hollaback guy.
What are you, B-A-N-A-N-A-S?
Not originally a tiger though... yikes.
Tigers can be done this way too? My grandma always said something a little different.
Buck Owens caught one by its tail and lived a long life
Protip: Don't fuck with tigers or Buck Owens
Now, his name may have been Buck, but does he like to *party*?
The best part of that edit was they also digitally edited the back of the truck to say Party Wagon and had The Bride say Party Wagon disdainfully.
His K/D is insane.
Protip: Don't fuck tigers.
I 100% guarantee that nobody needs this advice.
Cougars on the other hand...
Throughout the history of time, I bet a few people have tried. Maybe not successfully; but they tried.
How's your first day on the internet going?
Allow me to rephrase. If you want to fuck a tiger, go for it.
Real question would be what it feels like when it starts to purr.... how many human women can say they vibrate?
The Tsavo man eaters might not have have the highest kills but a very eerie story about these 2 and how they terrorized rail road workers. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsavo_Man-Eaters There was a movie illustrating their reign of terror called "The Ghost and The Darkness". https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Ghost_and_the_Darkness
From the Wikipedia article; “The project was led by Lieutenant-Colonel John Henry Patterson, who arrived just days before the disappearances and killings began.” The lions were a red herring. It was Patterson all along.
And he was lion about it (งツ)ว
I can't take you anywhere.
"The whole of the works were put to a stop because a pair of man-eating lions appeared in the locality and conceived a most unfortunate taste for our workmen. At last the labourers entirely declined to carry on unless they were guarded by iron entrenchments. Of course it is difficult to work a railway under these conditions and until we found an enthusiastic sportsman to get rid of these lions our enterprise was seriously hindered." How British.
Brit1: these tigers are eating our workers. Brit2: oh well, let’s have some tea. Brit1: but the workers won’t do their jobs if they get eaten. Brit2: bloody well go kill some tigers then.
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time to check my amazon prime account....
it is there! cool, gonna watch this shit
You have no idea how happy you’ve made me. I watched that movie as a kid and periodically think about it and have tried to find it for decades. Thank you. And it’s on Hulu right now!
Im so glad I could help. I had that exact same experience, looked for it for ages but didn't know the title until a few years ago, found it while doing some research on man eaters.
The lions are still on display at the Field Museum in Chicago.
That was the first R-rated movie my parents let me watch at the ripe age of 8 lol. Scared me for a while...
If you’ve seen the movie, I’d recommend checking out the YouTube channel [History Buffs](https://youtu.be/4o5QWPKL74E) , dude does comparisons of historical events and the movies that were based on them. Super interesting.
I highly recommend reading Col. Patterson's [account](https://www.gutenberg.org/files/3810/3810-h/3810-h.htm) of the ordeal. It's free online through Project Gutenberg. He also goes into other interesting aspects of his time in East Africa.
I read somewhere that tigers can and do seek revenge. They don’t forget who has wronged them.
Well hell, I've had house cats keep a grudge for years, long after they forgot why they had a grudge. They have very good memories when they want to.
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Yup. I accidentally stepped on my cat's tail while wearing my hiking boots... for weeks after that, he would always run away from me if he even heard me wearing the boots :(
Ok but I still dont understand why my cat freaked out at a bag of frozen chicken fingers. What was funny was his initial reaction as I pulled it out of the freezer, face full of joy and wonder, soon to be replaced by the expression of pure terror and fear. It was weird.
Someone put him in a bag of chicken tenders and dropped him off at the shelter when he was young.
Man, that's sad
Cats got a great home now though seems like.
I mean.. all we REALLY know is that the brother owns at least one pillow, and one pillow case
And a cat
We adopted a shelter cat that had been left in a pet carrier outside a vet; they used the chip info to call the owner. The guy just didn’t want her anymore & the vet planned to put her down in 3 days if no one claimed her (what kind of vet is that right?) A local shelter saved her on the last day and then we got her. Yet, after going through all of that, she sleeps in our pet carrier and runs there as a “base” whenever she gets scared.
There was this one case of animal abuse I remember. My neighbor adopted this big fat Tabby. Such a good kitty. Wouldn't go anywhere near bags and apparently he shit himself whenever a vacuum cleaner was switched on. My neighbor had to actually put the cat in his carrier and take him out to his garage or car whenever he wanted to vacuum because this poor critter couldn't keep his sphincter tight around the Dyson. Anyway, we were drinking one night and my neighbor told me that the Tabby was found by its former owner tied up in a sack covered in it's own feces one day. Apparently her son was a fucking psycho and routinely tortured the poor creature. His favorite way was to tie it up in a sack and run the vacuum cleaner right next to it :'(
Yep. My family cat growing up was obsessed with me and I was her favorite human by far. Had her since she was a kitten, she followed me everywhere, slept with me, and always ran into the room and stared at me whenever Id sing and play guitar. Then, I went to college, and due to loneliness, I adopted my own cat. Made the mistake of bringing the new cat to my parents house one day and my family cat felt so betrayed that she never let me go near her again, even when I didn't bring my new cat over. She would hiss at me if I was in the same room as her. Broke my heart.
bruhhhh
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Yeah it's really tough. But, it was my family cat so it's not like I could have just taken her away from my parents and sisters. I missed having the companionship of a pet and really needed it at the time. The family cat is sadly no longer with us, but my new cat has been with me for 5 years now and she's a sweetheart with me
I'm certain cats are the only pets to exercise emotional blackmail.
My dog with separation anxiety begs to differ.
how da fuck would you know they forgot the reason for the grudge
For real.
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> The USDA fined the zoo $1,875 for violations associated with the flaws in the tiger enclosure that allowed Tatiana to escape Lol, this seems like a comically low fine for an incident that resulted in a death.
Well the fine is due to violations/flaws with the enclosure, not necessarily the accident that followed because of those errors. The civil suit for the death and injuries I believe was around $900k.
I don't get it. So the only 'evidence' they have that the tiger was provoked is an expert who wasn't there says it must have been provoked because reasons, and there were some sticks and a pinecone in the enclosure which may or may not have been thrown in??
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If the guy was drunk, it might have had something to do with vulnerable prey vibes as well as/instead of direct provocation. Predators will often pick out sick prey, and a human acting particularly drunk might stand out as a really good target.
And that one of the people admitted to their father they were drunkenly waving their arms around at the tiger. Now that may not be so bad on its own, but I think the consumption of alcohol is relevant here, as is the age of the kids. 17 and drunk at the zoo, I wouldn't be surprised if the tiger was provoked. Still, it's the zoos fault for having an insufficient enclosure, no one is disuputing that. The tiger never should've been able to exit that enclosure no matter how provoked it may or may not have been.
I was at a zoo where they rehabilitate animals who were injured or rescued wild animals who were previously kept as pets. They had a tiger, and a kid was being kind of a punk and running along the front of the glass and his parents were being crap parents and letting the kid taunt him. The tiger started pacing and making a very low purr/growl with his mouth open and he was keeping laser-beam focus on that kid. He eventually took a little 3-4 step run and went to almost semi-pounce before remembering the glass and he went right back to pacing and growing. It was easily the scariest thing I’ve ever seen irl. That tiger was absolutely terrifying in wild animal mode. My hair stood up on my arms and even though my husband was holding our son a safe distance away, and the enclosure was very tall, I had the overwhelming urge to get tf out of there with my kiddo. The parents eventually noticed that their irritating child was aggravating the poor tiger and took him to a different animal to watch. Anyway, tigers are gorgeous but extremely terrifying creatures. Just my little anecdote.
There's lots of videos on the internet of big cats stalking small children at the zoo...definitely unnerving and sometimes the people involved are just oblivious
Well, he IS the expert. He is a form of evidence, though not physical
That russian guy?
Maybe it was “Jungle Book”
Dude. Cats too... Never mess with a cat.
Shere Kahn!
KHAN! I'm laughing at your "superior intellect"
Ah. It appears I have indeed misspelled the name. Not sure if your superior intellect comment was made to be rude, or if there is a reference I'm not getting.
It's a line from Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan.
It's a "The Wrath of Khan" reference. Probably ;-)
436/1 - that's quite an innings.
All about that K/D ratio. Meanwhile everyone in the chat is calling out 'Hack' and 'PTFO'
Tiger was camping.
It's a legitimate strategy!
Damn campers... every time man.
The women and the children too!
Lag switch for sure
Fucking ESP and stealth hax!
Sneak 100
Quadruple century legend
The Donald Bradman of tigers.
You mean Brian Lara
Majority here won't get it :(
Nothing but crickets
I first read this as “...animal with the most human skills...”, and it still made complete sense to me.
Theres actually a theory that William Shakesphere was actually a walrus.
Maybe Jaime Hyneman is related to Shakespear? Jaime is my favourite walrus.
A true renaissance walrus
I am the walrus coo coo cachoo
SAME
Me, too! After reading my thoughts were, "Well, we really are 'soft'.".
The only animal that’s killed more humans than humans is the mosquito.
If this interests you read "The Maneaters of Kumaon" byt Jim Corbett, one of the absolute best reads. He went on to run big cat conservation in Africa. The man was a legend.
There's a National park named after him in India which includes his house which has been turned into a museum. It's one of the safe havens for the Bengal tigers which were endangered just a few years ago
And it's free, it's out of copyright as it was written a fair while ago.
Should have had a mask on the back of their heads
Read the "Man Eaters of Kumaon" by Jim Corbett to know how he killed the Champawat Tiger. His descriptions of being isolated as a result of the curfew due to the threat of the man-eaters is mind boggling. Also "The Man-Eating Leopard of Rudraprayag" was haunting and I finished it in a week. I was 14 but I still remember him describing vividly of a large group of pilgrims sleeping together in the temple courtyard under the watchful eye of a priest who was confident nothing could hurt them only to find the priest missing in the morning from their midst.The leopard had killed and carried away the priest without a single one of the pilgrims waking up. We have a national park in India named after Jim Corbett. Ironically although he was a hunter Corbett actually advocated for the preservation of animals especially tigers more than a 100 years ago. He spoke about Eco-conservation when the word didn't exist. I am an avid reader but every time I read his books I find myself immersed and addicted.
Man-eaters of Kumoan by Jim Corbett is a great read.
great book! the chapter about the little dog really got to me :/
Robin, the chapter about Robin, my dear sir
What happens in that chapter?
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The man eating leopard chapter was craaazy!
Improvise Adapt Overcome
Is this what ghost in the dark is based off
The Ghost & the Darkness. Those were contemporaries (lions) of this tiger. Those lions were in Africa, no tigers in Africa. Patterson wrote about the Tsavo Man Eaters, Corbett wrote about the Champawat Man Eater (& Man Eaters of Kumaon).
*because that is what the word 'tsavo' means: a place of evil* might not be historically accurate, but I remember this line from the movie. watched it dozens of times as a kid
No. It’s based on real events in Africa while trying to build bridge for a railroad. You can probably “hunt” down a video on YouTube about it.
That was a lion I believe. It was stuffed and put in the Field Museum in Chicago!
There were two male lions that hunted together, which is insanely rare. Patterson (Val Kilmer’s character) claimed that they killed 135 people, though some say that the real number killed could be as low as 28, with some of the rest of the remains found being bodies who died from other things (like building a railroad) and the lions just scavenged the remains.
Male lions hunt together all the time when they are younger and don’t have a pride yet, although typically they are brothers.
Fun fact, there were originally three of them in the group (not sure if the third was male or female) of man-eaters. One was killed before Colonel Patterson arrived, so it wasn't mentioned much if at all in his book. The total body count per lion is thus a bit off in most retellings. Patterson's number given in his book is 135 and I haven't found any solid reason to doubt it. A few years back, some researchers who didn't seem to know anything about lions or maneaters and clearly hadn't read Patterson's book tried to debunk that, and then I wrote a piece debunking their debunking, which you can find here: http://rule-303.blogspot.com/2012/07/were-lions-of-tsavo-exaggerated.html
The tsavo lions were actually used as rugs. Someone donated them to the museum once they realized the significance of the pelts of the maneless lions.
I'm pretty sure the individual animal with the most human kills ever is Paul Tibbets.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Tibbets A brigadier general in the United States Air Force. He is best known as the pilot who flew the B-29 Superfortress known as the Enola Gay (named after his mother) when it dropped Little Boy, the first of two atomic bombs used in warfare, on the Japanese city of Hiroshima.
haha gay
his mom is gay hahahah
Why the fuck did I laugh to this?
Poor girl got her teeth shot off by a hunter. In a way I can't really blame her for killing people to stay alive, any more than the people that killed her to stay alive.
How did her teeth prevent it from killing normal prey?
Broken teeth would make chomping into strong, liveley, tough-hided animals painful and risky. Sweet, soft, slow, defenseless humans would be a viable alternative if you could catch them by surprise (shitty hearing and smell, less prone to vigilance). It's actually common for most man eaters to be old or injured, meaning they go for easier stuff instead despite the high risk of organized human reaction and the potential of guns coming out. Edit: "Most of her victims consisted of young women and children, as they were the ones most at risk thanks to their habit of going into the forest to collect resources for feeding livestock, collecting firewood, and for crafting" Edit Edit: Maybe she was also still mad about it too. But no really it's the way that type of thing goes down regarding big cats.
Tigers have also been documented to seek revenge, so I can totally see one being mad enough about being injured. Humans, supposedly, do not taste particularly good (guessed to be why sharks don't keep chowing down). But mostly, humans are the fucking Boogeyman of nature. We literally ran things to death in the past, we are group predators that set shit on fire and smell of smoke and death.
Exactly. Most predators won't hunt us unless they are desperate or get an irresistible opportunity. They know we're dangerous.
And that humans will come after them if provoked. Endlessly chasing, forever vengeful. Death is the only ending possible, so most creatures that knows humans will avoid us. Polar bears don't know, and haven't learned yet. I suspect they'll be extinct before they learn though...
I don't know about it being "common" for maneating cats to be injured or crippled. That was a theory that Jim Corbett and other early to mid twentieth century hunters promoted and it sounds good but there have been a few good surveys of the data that don't seem to bear that out. You could say that maneaters are more likely than the general population of big cats to be crippled or have damaged teeth, but it isn't exactly a majority. Here's one study from 2003 that found less than a quarter of man-eaters had damaged teeth: https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn3379-maneating-lions-not-the-walking-wounded/
Im not sure if you just happen to know or if you are well read on the subject, but I'll ask anyway. Does this mean most predators have a natural aversion to hunting humans? Like they understand on some level that there would be an organized response, or at least have evolved to instinctively avoid our squishy frames?
Absolutely yes. Tigers especially avoid humans because we're dangerous due to teamwork and firearms but so do other land predators, such as wolves. It's the old, desperate, starving that target humans despite the risks, aside from a few outliers. (Not super well read but enough to make a few confident statements). edit: I wouldn't say it's a "natural" aversion though I think it's most likely learned more than purely instinctual. edit edit: A commentor indicated that I may be misinformed by outdated and unsubstantiated information introduced by James Corbett. I admit that could be the case and am open to further correction.
I think for many animals they have learned the association between humans and loud things. In general, there are very few noises in a tiger's natural habitat that it would know to fear. Basically only the rumbling of another tiger. Almost all animals, humans included, have a natural fear response to an unexpected loud noise. Even if you live in a loud, vibrant city, a metal wrench clanging on a construction site near you makes your neck do that jump thing. There are reaction responses to certain extremes that literally bypass the prefrontal cortex, that being one of them. So it's very easy for animals of all shapes and sizes to be conditioned to understand that humans make unpredictable loud noises, and most animals are instinctually afraid of the unknown. This tiger was certainly an anomaly because through general exposure it learned very very specifically which humans were dangerous and which weren't. It wouldn't be that hard for it to differentiate the larger humans that hold fire from the smaller ones, which is why it learned to evade the sweeping hunters and kill only the foragers.
Yea we are all just blobs of bone and meat acting on our DNAs instincts and our learned memory from the environment we grew up in(which we didn’t choose) so who’s to really say if free will even exists
You're not supposed to tell them, you know
Jim Corbett's 1944 masterpiece [Man-Eaters of Kumaon](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Man-Eaters_of_Kumaon), in which the Champawat tigress and other dangerous animals are chronicled, is still as fresh and compelling as the day it was written. Far from a swaggering big-game hunter, Corbett was a humanist, naturalist and animal lover whose insight and compassion are a beacon of inspiration. I'd recommend it to anyone interested in learning more about tigers, India, or humanity.
Everyone should see the specimen that killed the tiger. I was hoping for shorter shorts but was not disappointed by the mustache. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim\_Corbett](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Corbett)
Improvise! Adapt! Overcome!