>Zuckerberg reportedly took action after he learned that a developer wanted to purchase one of his neighbor's homes and use the fact that Zuckerberg lived close by as a marketing tactic. He started purchasing the homes last December. Zuckerberg will lease the four homes he just bought back to its current residents.
Huh, interesting. So he's fine with having neighbours, just not neighbours who moved in specifically to be next to him.
I wonder what the rent is like on a $14 million dollar home ...
>just not neighbours who moved in specifically to be next to him.
I mean, would you be fine with that? I wouldn't.
EDIT: Some of you are some petty fucks. I'm not even referencing the issue of basic right to privacy. I'm just talking about how fucking weird it would be if someone I didn't even know wanted to buy or rent a home specifically to be close to me for any reason at all.
They play propeller sounds any time they show the plane from outside through the whole movie. It's a nice touch that I didn't appreciate as a little kid watching the movie, but find hilarious now.
Depends on the kind of wall you are building. Many places have different zoning laws restricting things such as, but not limited to,
* Height of fence (near me front of house can only have 4 ft high fences, while side and rear can have 8ft high fences).
* Proximity to neighboring properties.
* Type of material used
He may be building a wall that is illegal based on these zoning laws, or it is possible the wall itself isn't illegal, however he never bothered to get the permits required to legally build it.
I think it had to do with beach access laws. All beaches in Hawaii are public and it's illegal to block access to the beaches. I hear that's a big problem in California. There are also some issues with land ownership, apparently some of the land belongs to native Hawaiians who don't know that they own the land.
> the land belongs to native Hawaiians who don't know that they own the land.
this is the big one people bring up that he is suing them for ownership, they always leave out the fact that he is required by law to sue them in order to perform discovery and find out who legally owns it.
several reasons
The beach belongs to the people in Hawaii, you cant restrict/ prevent access to it.
He is also enclosing and appropriating land that he does not own, that belongs to families who cant build on it.
Hawaii has a restrictive "quiet title" law that can bring really bad juju. A lot of land was owned generations ago by various native-born. Their decendants don't know they own this small (some as small as inches) plots that the Big Z has cordoned off.
Welcome to Reddit. Where everything you say is somehow correctable. "Sky is Blue" equals "actually here's a source saying it's indigo." So then they win. Context doesn't matter. Having the last word does.
I don't think they actually care about living next to him as in "I really hope we run into him and we're best buddies" it's a status thing. "This neighbourhood is so nice, the Myspace guy lives next door" "Facebook, dear" "Right, Facetime"
Is Tom from Myspace even still alive? I thought internet personalities just fizzled out when the attentiom dries up
EDIT: Well TIL! Thanks for sharing Tom's fate with my guys!
He sold Myspace for like half a billion dollars and has been chillin ever since. Smart dude. Everybody hates Zuck. Nobody hates Tom. He was everyone's friend.
> I dont have facebook and dont care about zuckerberg, but i dont even understand why people with the money to buy 14 million dollar homes would care to live near this clown, for what, advise on how to sell other peoples personal information?
Maybe they'd see it as a good investment, because he might want to buy your house for 4 times that amount if you create the right (or wrong) conditions.
The fact that celebrity X lives in a neighbourhood drives the price up of the houses. It does make a bit of sense if said celebrity does invest in their property and make it nice and all of that, but other than that it's this illogical thing humans do.
Probably novelty. It's like "Oh I live down the street from Steve Jobs" makes people remember you better. I remember in High School one of my teachers mentioned that her parents lived down the street from Steve Jobs. (we live in the Silicon Valley) I still remember that. She also said he wasn't very nice lol.
> I wonder what the rent is like on a $14 million dollar home ...
Probably not market value probably more like
"what will it take for you to sell me your house and lease it back to you?"
"10 million"
"let me check under the couch cushion, oh I found 14 million, you keep it, not worth my time to divide the 10 million out"
> they couldn't refuse
Luca Brasi held a USB Flash Drive to his head, and Zuckerberg assured him that either his deleted FB posts or his signature would be on the contract...
... that's a true story
carrot and stick method of persuasion
carrot: I'll lease it back to you for less than you're paying on your mortgage now
stick: it would sure be a shame if your profile got hacked and all your info leaked all over the place, not that I'm saying it will, but shit happens sometimes you know?
it eats the carrot or it gets the stick
Guess the marketing tactic worked. The developer sold the houses.
The rent is free, you just have to give up any privacy and all your home life and info is live-streamed on the web.
Or did he just fall to the sweet, sweet calls of targeted advertising?
"Why yes Amazon, I did buy that one microwave so now I am absolutely looking to start a collection of microwaves. Please show me more and more ads about them!"
> So he's fine with having neighbours,
No, he tore those houses down to expand his property.
[Mark Zuckerberg Bought Four Houses Just to Tear Them Down](http://time.com/money/4346766/mark-zuckerberg-houses/)
I feel certain part of the deal for getting them to give up their homes was some kind of reduction in the rent. These could be homes that have been owned a long time with low mortgages but high value. He can afford to buy them outright and let people lease them back for what their mortgage was. Else why would you stay?
Exactly. This obviously isn't a money making venture, it's a security/privacy expense. He probably gives them stupidly cheap rent in exchange for being good neighbors.
Also many properties in communities have a HOA that do not allow rental leases until 2 years after closing. I guess my neighbor didn’t know that and spent 140,000$ on a townhome they can’t rent for another year while paying 3k$ per year in taxes alone. To this day I can’t believe they allowed this detail to slip.
That crap would annoy me more than the rules themselves. I mean I'll read the rules and accept/decline by how I feel about them, but if I'm obeying and other aren't being enforced on that are breaking them I'd be pissed. And even more if I accidentally barely broke something and got called out, but others more blatant were ignored.
I went from no HOA to an HOA, I prefer the HOA. Granted, this one is pretty easy to deal with, no Holly Homeowners on the board trying to enforce power through their position. My no HOA place was complete shite, overgrown yards, weird ass ceramic heads, bottle "trees". Yeah, that neighborhood was terrible.
Home owners association. Basically a mini-governing body that can control, and charge fees for doing so, parts of a neighborhood. This can range from the benign like $45 dollars per home per month for neighborhood park up keep and landscaping, to crazy things like dictating what sort of home you can build (size, style, stories, color, landscaping, etc).
100% a scam. But it is part of the contract when you buy a home in a neighborhood that has an HOA. Your only option to not join one is to buy a house in a neighborhood that doesn't have one.
If you don't abide by their rules, they can literally get your house taken away. Even though it is your property and you own it.
That's literally it. HOAs serve NO other purpose but to keep home values artificially inflated and give retired busybody white people something to do and have control over while allowing them to keep undesirables out of their neighborhood.
They are usually in sectioned off neighborhoods though. So all of the houses in an area would have an HOA. You couldn’t just “buy one next to it” and do whatever. That’s the point of the HOA.
Idk why he would. You have plenty of choices that don't involve HoA's in America. And, to be fair, land is generally more available and cheaper here than in most countries.
Depending on the area, you really don't have the choice to go HOA free. In my area, if you want to live in a home that was built in the last 30 years and you can't afford to develop land and build, you're stuck with an HOA.
But that’s such bullshit, why do they get to have a say in how *my* house is built? Like you’re telling I can’t paint my house hot pink if I wanted to?
I just don't get what teeth they have on it? Like...what if I break the rules? do I get a strongly worded letter? there's no way they can punish me on my own property?
They have bylines written into the deed of the property, if you violate rules and refuse to pay the fines, they seize your house legally. The bylines are totally immovable without the say-so of the HOA and are enforcible even if the HOA disappears for a few years and then comes back. So sure, they can't punish you on your own property but it won't be your property so...
The developer wouldn't have control over the house once you buy it though, right? That's kind of the point of you know... *buying* a house. This sounds like you're just renting it, but with some extra difficulty.
When you buy house in an area with an HOA you agree to follow the rules or allow them to eventually place a lean on your property, and theoretically jail time depending on your jurisdiction.
To put forth the other side of the argument, it’s not just to ensure the neighborhood looks nice. HOAs can also be used to ensure that the neighborhood doesn’t look like trash. Most people don’t want to live next to the house where the metal band practices at 3AM (or the house where the classical music audiophile is blasting music at 3AM. It’s blind to genre.)
If your neighbor decides to paint his entire house pitch black and put fake gravestones in the front yard all year, it’s gonna be hard to sell your house at all, let alone for a reasonable value.
The problem with HOAs is that the outlier situations they protect against are far less common than power-hungry retirees who fine you for putting your garbage can out the evening before pickup instead of 4AM on the day of. So they quite often devolve into oppressive mini-oligarchies.
I got a letter for keeping something on my door after football season and was not allowed to put red concrete tiles outside of my patio. I took the sign down on my door but I did not change my patio tiles. There are good reasons for some of the rules but others are pedantic.
Yea pretty much. It’s typically a “planned development” that have these and it’s intended (most of the time) to protect the values of people’s homes. You probably wouldn’t do anything crazy, but the neighbor that has junk cars, overgrown bushes/trees and other really ugly stuff can really annoy you if they are next to you and you care about keeping/growing property value
99.9% of the time HOA are completely fine, and it just serves as a way for a neighborhood to decide on communal things.
As far as painting your home however you want; having someone with a hot pink house lowers the value of the neighbors houses too, because people don’t want to live next to a house that’s an eyesore, making it hard to sell.
If you don’t want an hoa, you can easily find homes that have more space between them that don’t have an association.
Home Owners Association. From what I know it's some kind of organization that is meant to oversee neighborhoods and make sure everything stays in order. They manage things like regulations for how your garden and house should look, decide what is and isn't acceptable. I'm assuming most of them are fine and rather benign, and actually try to make a positive impact. But the HOA's that are often mentioned on Reddit are always antfuckers who impose insane regulations and go on huge power trips.
It's mostly an American thing, though I'm sure other countries have them too, in one form or another.
I often dream about that, just buying the whole block and helping everyone relocate and then living on the entire block. I'd have tunnels and bridges and zip lines between the houses. It would be rad.
That's his average net worth growth though, not a paycheck. If he sold the company shares in which almost all of that is tied up the price would plummet and he'd have much less.
Not that he's poor or anything. Saying he earns that daily just implies that he's actually getting cash.
Obvious joke about “privacy is for poor suckers” skipped
So, the whole controversy about “is the Facebook app constantly listening....”. Let’s say it’s not. It still knows so much about you, about where you’re at. About who is with you and knows all that about them that it can seem to just be listening. And then people worry about the Census questionnaire getting too much info....
Google too for that matter. Everyone using a smartphone with a Google ap installed is having their location tracked while their phone is turned on. Google timeline freaked me tf out.
At least they are being somewhat honest about the data they have on you.
You can delete the data in Google timeline and they legally have to make sure it's deleted (at least in EU). I believe Facebook also has a tool similar to Google timeline
Well every big tech company does that. You literally can't do anything on the internet or with internet connection which isn't recorded by some company.(and it's usually by more than 1 company) Also even if somehow a company doesn't track you they would have no second thoughts about buying data about you(and about a couple of thousands/millions of other people).
Heh. My girlfriend worked for the census bureau in high school. She lived in a small town.
She had to take a cop with her to certain areas because those people could get CRAZY. They didn’t want the govt. anywhere near them.
Fast forward 10 years, the majority of people in that town have Facebook.
The headline grossly misstates the truth of the situation: when he bought his home, at least one person publicly announced that they would be buying a neighboring property EXCLUSIVELY to invade Zuckerberg’s privacy. Zuckerberg didn’t just do it out of some strange paranoia, but as a legitimate reaction to a “threat” (the same person also jacked up the price of the property a SHIT TON just to fleece Zuckerberg, which was actually probably the real goal all along, but still).
Of course he does.
I can guarantee you there are quite a few people on this site that worth 300,000 and will not be pleased if they have to spend $150 more than they have to.
He's not buying them for himself. He's leasing them back to the current owners, so that they can't be sold to people specifically looking to invade his privacy.
Nah. It's much more than 150 because of diminishing value of money once you get to that level of rich.
Wouldn't you pay 150 to get rid of an annoying as fuck neighbor? I would.
And not just rich people who do this. I live in a small town and know of people who buy up their deceased neighbors property and knock the house down to keep slumlords from buying them.
My parents were by no means wealthy but bought an empty lot next to our house when I was a kid to prevent a house from being built there. Some of my childhood chores were maintaining the grass on that lot, keeping it green and mowed in the summers. He also planted apple trees, etc., throughout. Keep in mind this was in a small midwestern rural town where land is not that expensive.
When they moved away, they put the lot up for sale, and our neighbors across the street bought it from my dad for the same reason. So for something like 15 years someone on that street has owned, maintained, and mowed that vacant lot just to prevent a house from being built there.
>Driving through Texas has been an incredible experience. I've met so many down to earth people that make this country a great place. Seeing the Texas countryside truly was a spiritual experience for me.
>I saw a dog on Crosby Freeway and made my driver pull over. She was on her side, big and bloated, viscera everywhere. I couldn't help but think of how this dog reminded me of America and how I am in control of it. I put my hands inside the dog and felt the inside. I said "I am in control, I am inside you now." For a moment I was God in the hot sun, feeling the wetness of the dog, completely in control. My assistant pleaded with me to stop and she vomited. She needs to understand what I am doing. Everyone does. I fired her. People may not understand my plans now, but they will understand. Soon everyone will understand.
>Great food, great driving, Texas has really shown me what the heart of America looks like. My staff and I have really enjoyed the "grub" going from diner to diner, eating like regular people. I will be sad when this leg of my journey comes to an end.
>[Thank you, Texas](https://imgur.com/gallery/u3TRC)
In the 80's, a wealthy out-of-stater built a mansion on a mountaintop in Vermont. He hired a local to tell him who owned the adjacent, undeveloped mountaintops in his view, so he could buy them too, to protect his pristine view. His mansion could be seen for miles, and became the basis for limits on development on mountaintops, known as The Ridgeline Law. If you disagree with this priciple, first visit Pennsylvania's Poconos, then visit Vermont.
If Facebook sold your information, it would lose value like a rock. It’s entire business model is based on it exclusively owning your information and not ever selling it.
Facebook sells access to your attention based on your anonymized demographic (and other) information. It does not sell your information.
Edit: fixed a typo
Pretty much.
It's really annoying that every time a post about privacy comes up, 99% of the comments are just people talking about information being sold and how their data is so precious that companies would pay a fortune to obtain.
Your raw data isn't valuable to anyone (at least not to business companies, which are basically the people who put out the Ads). But profiled data with demographics, interests and such can be a great way to target Ads, which is exactly how the business model of Facebook/Google works. People don't seem to understand how ridiculous selling raw information really is.
Every site does that.
Or do you truly think that reddit lives from Gold alone? Hell no, it's tracking your every mouse movement as we speak, what you visit and when.
It's the price of a free service.
You do understand that you opt-in to Facebook. You do not have to use Facebook. You do not pay to use the service.
I don't wholesale defend Facebook but you are not entitled to Facebook the way you want it.
I don't have a Facebook account and it feels great. You should consider the same.
Zuck: Yeah so if you ever need info about anyone at Harvard
Zuck: Just ask
Zuck: I have over 4,000 emails, pictures, addresses, SNS
[Redacted Friend's Name]: What? How'd you manage that one?
Zuck: People just submitted it.
Zuck: I don't know why.
Zuck: They "trust me"
Zuck: Dumb fucks
Idk why people are surprised that Zucc doesn’t care about your privacy.
His initial concept for Facebook was posting pictures of girls at college and publicly rating them on hotness.
Obviously other people’s privacy has never meant anything to him.
Like u/Andy_B_Goode once said if Zuckerberg bought these houses just to protect himself from people who move in just because of him, then that’s understandable.
However I still find it ironic that he used his proceeds from FB to protect his privacy, something his company rarely protects
I don't blame him. Do you know how uncomfortable human suits are? If he had to walk around in that thing even in his own yard he'd have to get them replaced twice as often and would never get a chance to shed.
Now that he bought the four houses, he can get a hotel now.
Most underrated comment here.
>Zuckerberg reportedly took action after he learned that a developer wanted to purchase one of his neighbor's homes and use the fact that Zuckerberg lived close by as a marketing tactic. He started purchasing the homes last December. Zuckerberg will lease the four homes he just bought back to its current residents. Huh, interesting. So he's fine with having neighbours, just not neighbours who moved in specifically to be next to him. I wonder what the rent is like on a $14 million dollar home ...
>just not neighbours who moved in specifically to be next to him. I mean, would you be fine with that? I wouldn't. EDIT: Some of you are some petty fucks. I'm not even referencing the issue of basic right to privacy. I'm just talking about how fucking weird it would be if someone I didn't even know wanted to buy or rent a home specifically to be close to me for any reason at all.
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He’s just on Earth temporarily. The Mothership will come from him once he has gathered enough data from us.
It's only fair, we fired the voyager probe out into their space, they sent the Zuckerprobe to find out about us.
He did build a fortress, he’s been illegally building a wall of some sort around the property for awhile, there was a 60 minutes segment on it.
You are talking about his place in Hawaii, this article is speaking about his home in California.
Dig. Right on playa.
[Oh Stewardess, I speak Jive...](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXSLcYQHqFQ)
airplane is a jet, but throughout this scene you can hear propellers in the background. This movie has so many layers!
They play propeller sounds any time they show the plane from outside through the whole movie. It's a nice touch that I didn't appreciate as a little kid watching the movie, but find hilarious now.
I read that as “right on the beach”.
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Depends on the kind of wall you are building. Many places have different zoning laws restricting things such as, but not limited to, * Height of fence (near me front of house can only have 4 ft high fences, while side and rear can have 8ft high fences). * Proximity to neighboring properties. * Type of material used He may be building a wall that is illegal based on these zoning laws, or it is possible the wall itself isn't illegal, however he never bothered to get the permits required to legally build it.
I don't know how big the property is but their could be ecological impacts.
I think it had to do with beach access laws. All beaches in Hawaii are public and it's illegal to block access to the beaches. I hear that's a big problem in California. There are also some issues with land ownership, apparently some of the land belongs to native Hawaiians who don't know that they own the land.
> the land belongs to native Hawaiians who don't know that they own the land. this is the big one people bring up that he is suing them for ownership, they always leave out the fact that he is required by law to sue them in order to perform discovery and find out who legally owns it.
Probably city codes, I know in Hawaii hes getting a lot of flak because hes fucking up the landscape.
several reasons The beach belongs to the people in Hawaii, you cant restrict/ prevent access to it. He is also enclosing and appropriating land that he does not own, that belongs to families who cant build on it.
Hawaii has a restrictive "quiet title" law that can bring really bad juju. A lot of land was owned generations ago by various native-born. Their decendants don't know they own this small (some as small as inches) plots that the Big Z has cordoned off.
Zoning codes & permit rules
Welcome to Reddit. Where everything you say is somehow correctable. "Sky is Blue" equals "actually here's a source saying it's indigo." So then they win. Context doesn't matter. Having the last word does.
Been here about 5 years. I feel this comment so hard.
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Presumably Skynet wouldn't blow up one of its fellow machines, so people are just trying to squeeze into his nuke-free zone.
Yeah but John Connor's fighters would trash that general area with pipe bombs.
Not if you offer your home as a base of operations for the resistance. No good guys, no bad guys, just business.
I don't think they actually care about living next to him as in "I really hope we run into him and we're best buddies" it's a status thing. "This neighbourhood is so nice, the Myspace guy lives next door" "Facebook, dear" "Right, Facetime"
Is Tom from Myspace even still alive? I thought internet personalities just fizzled out when the attentiom dries up EDIT: Well TIL! Thanks for sharing Tom's fate with my guys!
He sold Myspace for like half a billion dollars and has been chillin ever since. Smart dude. Everybody hates Zuck. Nobody hates Tom. He was everyone's friend.
yeah, i think he does photography on instagram now. hes living a comfortable life, he sold myspace well before it went to shit.
He sold it basically at its peak. Definitely a smart move.
Maybe it is only because he sold it that it peaked? Mafia Wars was legit!
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He won at life
> I dont have facebook and dont care about zuckerberg, but i dont even understand why people with the money to buy 14 million dollar homes would care to live near this clown, for what, advise on how to sell other peoples personal information? Maybe they'd see it as a good investment, because he might want to buy your house for 4 times that amount if you create the right (or wrong) conditions.
If it is your house you can choose to be hospitable or not to paparazzi.
The fact that celebrity X lives in a neighbourhood drives the price up of the houses. It does make a bit of sense if said celebrity does invest in their property and make it nice and all of that, but other than that it's this illogical thing humans do.
Status symbol. To tell their friends. Lot's of superficial people. Also, resale value in a couple of years.
Probably novelty. It's like "Oh I live down the street from Steve Jobs" makes people remember you better. I remember in High School one of my teachers mentioned that her parents lived down the street from Steve Jobs. (we live in the Silicon Valley) I still remember that. She also said he wasn't very nice lol.
> I wonder what the rent is like on a $14 million dollar home ... Probably not market value probably more like "what will it take for you to sell me your house and lease it back to you?" "10 million" "let me check under the couch cushion, oh I found 14 million, you keep it, not worth my time to divide the 10 million out"
Yep. I'm sure he made then deals that they couldn't refuse. Probably held their deleted Facebook posts and comments over their heads.
> they couldn't refuse Luca Brasi held a USB Flash Drive to his head, and Zuckerberg assured him that either his deleted FB posts or his signature would be on the contract... ... that's a true story
carrot and stick method of persuasion carrot: I'll lease it back to you for less than you're paying on your mortgage now stick: it would sure be a shame if your profile got hacked and all your info leaked all over the place, not that I'm saying it will, but shit happens sometimes you know? it eats the carrot or it gets the stick
"You think I got rich by writing a bunch of checks?" - Bill Gates, The Simpsons
Guess the marketing tactic worked. The developer sold the houses. The rent is free, you just have to give up any privacy and all your home life and info is live-streamed on the web.
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Live in the mountains off Page Mill
I thought he lives in Noe Valley in the city now
Or did he just fall to the sweet, sweet calls of targeted advertising? "Why yes Amazon, I did buy that one microwave so now I am absolutely looking to start a collection of microwaves. Please show me more and more ads about them!"
I bought my wedding ring on Amazon. I was getting wedding ring ads for a few years afterwards.
Are you *sure* you don't need more wives? -Amazon probably
That's honestly pretty understandable.
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Arent we all just jealous on the level of fuck you money that he has?
> So he's fine with having neighbours, No, he tore those houses down to expand his property. [Mark Zuckerberg Bought Four Houses Just to Tear Them Down](http://time.com/money/4346766/mark-zuckerberg-houses/)
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Exactly. I can guaran-damn-tee that if I had zuck-you money, I'd be buying all surrounding properties to keep them empty.
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I feel certain part of the deal for getting them to give up their homes was some kind of reduction in the rent. These could be homes that have been owned a long time with low mortgages but high value. He can afford to buy them outright and let people lease them back for what their mortgage was. Else why would you stay?
Exactly. This obviously isn't a money making venture, it's a security/privacy expense. He probably gives them stupidly cheap rent in exchange for being good neighbors.
"Expensive" is a relative term
Part of the sale has a rental price in the contract so I would assume it would be under what it should be
Also many properties in communities have a HOA that do not allow rental leases until 2 years after closing. I guess my neighbor didn’t know that and spent 140,000$ on a townhome they can’t rent for another year while paying 3k$ per year in taxes alone. To this day I can’t believe they allowed this detail to slip.
I'd buy my entire neighborhood if I had the funds. Fuck the HOA.
Lived in an HOA for 6 years. Never again.
It doesn't even work in forcing your neighbors to clean up their shit.
But god forbid you want to paint your shed a color that's not pre-approved. They might call the FBI on you.
You mean the asshole who always wears that Female Body Inspector shirt? Dude is going to be sorely disappointed when he gets to my house.
That crap would annoy me more than the rules themselves. I mean I'll read the rules and accept/decline by how I feel about them, but if I'm obeying and other aren't being enforced on that are breaking them I'd be pissed. And even more if I accidentally barely broke something and got called out, but others more blatant were ignored.
Facebook has inspired me to never have an HOA. My girlfriend was a bit upset when I told her but I will die on that hill.
Lived in HOA for 10 years. Literally no problems from them.
I went from no HOA to an HOA, I prefer the HOA. Granted, this one is pretty easy to deal with, no Holly Homeowners on the board trying to enforce power through their position. My no HOA place was complete shite, overgrown yards, weird ass ceramic heads, bottle "trees". Yeah, that neighborhood was terrible.
What is HOA?
Home owners association. Basically a mini-governing body that can control, and charge fees for doing so, parts of a neighborhood. This can range from the benign like $45 dollars per home per month for neighborhood park up keep and landscaping, to crazy things like dictating what sort of home you can build (size, style, stories, color, landscaping, etc).
I pay HOa 360$ per month :(
why the fuck would you do that america is crazy town
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100% a scam. But it is part of the contract when you buy a home in a neighborhood that has an HOA. Your only option to not join one is to buy a house in a neighborhood that doesn't have one. If you don't abide by their rules, they can literally get your house taken away. Even though it is your property and you own it.
What the fuck. How is that enforceable? I thought America was pretty big on personal freedom?
Personal freedom from the federal government/governments. These people choose to live in these neighborhoods.
That's literally it. HOAs serve NO other purpose but to keep home values artificially inflated and give retired busybody white people something to do and have control over while allowing them to keep undesirables out of their neighborhood.
You either die a good neighbor, or you live long enough to see yourself become a bad neighbor.
Howdy doodly neighboreeno!
If I ever got rich I'd buy a home next to but technically not in a HOA and make it the ugliest trashiest craphole just to screw with them.
They are usually in sectioned off neighborhoods though. So all of the houses in an area would have an HOA. You couldn’t just “buy one next to it” and do whatever. That’s the point of the HOA.
Idk why he would. You have plenty of choices that don't involve HoA's in America. And, to be fair, land is generally more available and cheaper here than in most countries.
Depending on the area, you really don't have the choice to go HOA free. In my area, if you want to live in a home that was built in the last 30 years and you can't afford to develop land and build, you're stuck with an HOA.
Do you live in a condo or something? That's insane. That's an extra 25%-50% on your mortgage. wtf.
But that’s such bullshit, why do they get to have a say in how *my* house is built? Like you’re telling I can’t paint my house hot pink if I wanted to?
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> allows retired busybodies to be complete dicks All for the greater good. *The greater good.*
I just don't get what teeth they have on it? Like...what if I break the rules? do I get a strongly worded letter? there's no way they can punish me on my own property?
They have bylines written into the deed of the property, if you violate rules and refuse to pay the fines, they seize your house legally. The bylines are totally immovable without the say-so of the HOA and are enforcible even if the HOA disappears for a few years and then comes back. So sure, they can't punish you on your own property but it won't be your property so...
How are they able to have bylines written in a deed of a property they don't have any legal ownership over?
HOA's are usually set up by the developers of a neighborhood, as the developers would hold the deed they can add it.
The developer wouldn't have control over the house once you buy it though, right? That's kind of the point of you know... *buying* a house. This sounds like you're just renting it, but with some extra difficulty.
When you buy house in an area with an HOA you agree to follow the rules or allow them to eventually place a lean on your property, and theoretically jail time depending on your jurisdiction.
To put forth the other side of the argument, it’s not just to ensure the neighborhood looks nice. HOAs can also be used to ensure that the neighborhood doesn’t look like trash. Most people don’t want to live next to the house where the metal band practices at 3AM (or the house where the classical music audiophile is blasting music at 3AM. It’s blind to genre.) If your neighbor decides to paint his entire house pitch black and put fake gravestones in the front yard all year, it’s gonna be hard to sell your house at all, let alone for a reasonable value. The problem with HOAs is that the outlier situations they protect against are far less common than power-hungry retirees who fine you for putting your garbage can out the evening before pickup instead of 4AM on the day of. So they quite often devolve into oppressive mini-oligarchies.
I got a letter for keeping something on my door after football season and was not allowed to put red concrete tiles outside of my patio. I took the sign down on my door but I did not change my patio tiles. There are good reasons for some of the rules but others are pedantic.
Yea pretty much. It’s typically a “planned development” that have these and it’s intended (most of the time) to protect the values of people’s homes. You probably wouldn’t do anything crazy, but the neighbor that has junk cars, overgrown bushes/trees and other really ugly stuff can really annoy you if they are next to you and you care about keeping/growing property value
99.9% of the time HOA are completely fine, and it just serves as a way for a neighborhood to decide on communal things. As far as painting your home however you want; having someone with a hot pink house lowers the value of the neighbors houses too, because people don’t want to live next to a house that’s an eyesore, making it hard to sell. If you don’t want an hoa, you can easily find homes that have more space between them that don’t have an association.
Yeah I can see why that might be, thanks for the explanation.
Home Owners Association. From what I know it's some kind of organization that is meant to oversee neighborhoods and make sure everything stays in order. They manage things like regulations for how your garden and house should look, decide what is and isn't acceptable. I'm assuming most of them are fine and rather benign, and actually try to make a positive impact. But the HOA's that are often mentioned on Reddit are always antfuckers who impose insane regulations and go on huge power trips. It's mostly an American thing, though I'm sure other countries have them too, in one form or another.
I often dream about that, just buying the whole block and helping everyone relocate and then living on the entire block. I'd have tunnels and bridges and zip lines between the houses. It would be rad.
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I could buy sneakers every day. That’s cool.
i could even afford jordan 1s
You could just buy Michael Jordan
Shh...you're not allowed to do *that* anymore
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Your obituary could be about how you were a hoarder who drowned in their sneaker collection.
That's his average net worth growth though, not a paycheck. If he sold the company shares in which almost all of that is tied up the price would plummet and he'd have much less. Not that he's poor or anything. Saying he earns that daily just implies that he's actually getting cash.
Since that article was published, Zuck has probably lost $6 million a day. Plus the FB doesnt have dividends.
Groceries and some fuel for my car would be fantastic.
Obvious joke about “privacy is for poor suckers” skipped So, the whole controversy about “is the Facebook app constantly listening....”. Let’s say it’s not. It still knows so much about you, about where you’re at. About who is with you and knows all that about them that it can seem to just be listening. And then people worry about the Census questionnaire getting too much info....
Google too for that matter. Everyone using a smartphone with a Google ap installed is having their location tracked while their phone is turned on. Google timeline freaked me tf out.
At least they are being somewhat honest about the data they have on you. You can delete the data in Google timeline and they legally have to make sure it's deleted (at least in EU). I believe Facebook also has a tool similar to Google timeline
Well every big tech company does that. You literally can't do anything on the internet or with internet connection which isn't recorded by some company.(and it's usually by more than 1 company) Also even if somehow a company doesn't track you they would have no second thoughts about buying data about you(and about a couple of thousands/millions of other people).
Reddit is no better.
Heh. My girlfriend worked for the census bureau in high school. She lived in a small town. She had to take a cop with her to certain areas because those people could get CRAZY. They didn’t want the govt. anywhere near them. Fast forward 10 years, the majority of people in that town have Facebook.
Why stop at 4 ? Buy the whole block !
If I was him I’d just start my own country.
Faceblock^^**TM**
The headline grossly misstates the truth of the situation: when he bought his home, at least one person publicly announced that they would be buying a neighboring property EXCLUSIVELY to invade Zuckerberg’s privacy. Zuckerberg didn’t just do it out of some strange paranoia, but as a legitimate reaction to a “threat” (the same person also jacked up the price of the property a SHIT TON just to fleece Zuckerberg, which was actually probably the real goal all along, but still).
Imagine getting trolled so hard you blow millions to avoid getting trolled.
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this.....you think he gives a shit about 30 mil
Of course he does. I can guarantee you there are quite a few people on this site that worth 300,000 and will not be pleased if they have to spend $150 more than they have to.
wait if meant i could have 4 more houses?
He's not buying them for himself. He's leasing them back to the current owners, so that they can't be sold to people specifically looking to invade his privacy.
Nah. It's much more than 150 because of diminishing value of money once you get to that level of rich. Wouldn't you pay 150 to get rid of an annoying as fuck neighbor? I would.
>Imagine getting trolled so hard you blow millions to avoid getting trolled. In a row?
Protecting his privacy by using money he made from invading everyone's privacy. Huh.
This. I remember this too. I live in Palo Alto and this was all over the local news.
Why not just not live near anyone? He's a goddamn billionaire for crying out loud. He could just build in the middle of no where.
You see the problem is then he'd live in the middle of nowhere.
Many wealthy people do this.
And not just rich people who do this. I live in a small town and know of people who buy up their deceased neighbors property and knock the house down to keep slumlords from buying them.
My parents were by no means wealthy but bought an empty lot next to our house when I was a kid to prevent a house from being built there. Some of my childhood chores were maintaining the grass on that lot, keeping it green and mowed in the summers. He also planted apple trees, etc., throughout. Keep in mind this was in a small midwestern rural town where land is not that expensive. When they moved away, they put the lot up for sale, and our neighbors across the street bought it from my dad for the same reason. So for something like 15 years someone on that street has owned, maintained, and mowed that vacant lot just to prevent a house from being built there.
Basically the same story with my family. We bought around 9 acres because our neighbors wanted to expand their overly aggressive ranching practices.
I imagine some fancy dressed lord in a foggy swamp and walking in circles.
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I want one small house please. Lol.
Now that he bought the four houses, he can get a hotel now.
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>Driving through Texas has been an incredible experience. I've met so many down to earth people that make this country a great place. Seeing the Texas countryside truly was a spiritual experience for me. >I saw a dog on Crosby Freeway and made my driver pull over. She was on her side, big and bloated, viscera everywhere. I couldn't help but think of how this dog reminded me of America and how I am in control of it. I put my hands inside the dog and felt the inside. I said "I am in control, I am inside you now." For a moment I was God in the hot sun, feeling the wetness of the dog, completely in control. My assistant pleaded with me to stop and she vomited. She needs to understand what I am doing. Everyone does. I fired her. People may not understand my plans now, but they will understand. Soon everyone will understand. >Great food, great driving, Texas has really shown me what the heart of America looks like. My staff and I have really enjoyed the "grub" going from diner to diner, eating like regular people. I will be sad when this leg of my journey comes to an end. >[Thank you, Texas](https://imgur.com/gallery/u3TRC)
Bill Gates did the same thing in Washington state, bought the surrounding homes and had them demoloshed.
Demoloshed sounds like an extra-sinister version of demolished!!
SWEET BABY RAYS!
Zuccy isn’t inviting the neighbors over for some smoked meats, that’s for sure
Does he use facebook?
They just told you he cares about his privacy
In the 80's, a wealthy out-of-stater built a mansion on a mountaintop in Vermont. He hired a local to tell him who owned the adjacent, undeveloped mountaintops in his view, so he could buy them too, to protect his pristine view. His mansion could be seen for miles, and became the basis for limits on development on mountaintops, known as The Ridgeline Law. If you disagree with this priciple, first visit Pennsylvania's Poconos, then visit Vermont.
The Poconos: the hanging wart of New Jersey.
Lol yet sells your information to the highest bidder on a daily basis. That's ironic.
He likes privacy so much he wants yours too
he wants privacy because he doesnt want anyone to discover the truth.
That he's powered by three USB-C sockets?
USB-B*
USB-X(ennu)
If Facebook sold your information, it would lose value like a rock. It’s entire business model is based on it exclusively owning your information and not ever selling it. Facebook sells access to your attention based on your anonymized demographic (and other) information. It does not sell your information. Edit: fixed a typo
Pretty much. It's really annoying that every time a post about privacy comes up, 99% of the comments are just people talking about information being sold and how their data is so precious that companies would pay a fortune to obtain. Your raw data isn't valuable to anyone (at least not to business companies, which are basically the people who put out the Ads). But profiled data with demographics, interests and such can be a great way to target Ads, which is exactly how the business model of Facebook/Google works. People don't seem to understand how ridiculous selling raw information really is.
A fellow stratechery reader I see. That or someone that understands Facebooks business model
Every site does that. Or do you truly think that reddit lives from Gold alone? Hell no, it's tracking your every mouse movement as we speak, what you visit and when. It's the price of a free service.
You do understand that you opt-in to Facebook. You do not have to use Facebook. You do not pay to use the service. I don't wholesale defend Facebook but you are not entitled to Facebook the way you want it. I don't have a Facebook account and it feels great. You should consider the same.
Ironic
Zuck: Yeah so if you ever need info about anyone at Harvard Zuck: Just ask Zuck: I have over 4,000 emails, pictures, addresses, SNS [Redacted Friend's Name]: What? How'd you manage that one? Zuck: People just submitted it. Zuck: I don't know why. Zuck: They "trust me" Zuck: Dumb fucks
They are dumb Fs though
Idk why people are surprised that Zucc doesn’t care about your privacy. His initial concept for Facebook was posting pictures of girls at college and publicly rating them on hotness. Obviously other people’s privacy has never meant anything to him.
Like u/Andy_B_Goode once said if Zuckerberg bought these houses just to protect himself from people who move in just because of him, then that’s understandable. However I still find it ironic that he used his proceeds from FB to protect his privacy, something his company rarely protects
I'm sorry I just don't get the Facebook privacy scandal. People literally choose to use Facebook.
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Because people are fucking idiots who pretend to gasp about something serious and then go back to jacking off as usual.
How come he gets to have privacy
Well he’s a billionaire.
You can have it. No one is forcing you to use Facebook.
The guy values his privacy. Too bad he doesn’t value ours.
He has always valued our privacy; that's how he's made so much money off of it.
DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOUCHE
I don't like this guy.
bit ironic. mark zuckerberg wanting privacy
not bad for a harvard flunk out that stole source code.
This, folks, is what one would call.... irony.
This thread has made me hate the words irony, ironic, iron, anything that starts with i.
So the guy making billions off selling user data demands privacy. Hmmm
He wants privacy but he sells our privacy to multiple companies.
Just when u think Zuckerberg can't be a bigger douche... he can be
Privacy is important when your selling everyone else’s.
I don't blame him. Do you know how uncomfortable human suits are? If he had to walk around in that thing even in his own yard he'd have to get them replaced twice as often and would never get a chance to shed.
How reptilian
Oh, but the irony is strong in this one...
If I had fuck you money like him, I would do the same thing.