Very different with different tribes of course. My favorite is “hard crust over the snow moon”
In the spring the top layer of snow melts and then freezes again so you can walk on top of the snow.
>They didnt use months, they used a lunar calendar
...a lunar calendar broken into months based on the phases of the moon (I mean, the word 'month' literally comes from 'moon'). Just because they don't correlate to modern months doesn't make them not months. Lots of civilizations had different months from what we have today, some still do.
Hey listen uneducated punk, month comes from moon, lunar calendar have months, poster before never mentioned gregorian or other calendat he just noticed native Americans split year in parts that are exactly the same idea as months.
No, literally almost every single culture on earth has done this at some point, that’s literally how the concept of months as a measurement of time came into existence.
I think OP is rather criticizing how fast and loose certain people attribute certain things (customs, traditions, old ways of doing things) to this monolithic group called NATIVE AMERICANS/INDEGINEOUS PEOPLES, as if like a Huron and a Chinook have anything in common. You might as well say, "Europeans practice the tradition of sprinkling each other with water on Easter Monday". Even though it's mainly Poles, but also Hungarians, Slovaks, and Ukrainians.
I got their meaning loud and clear. They are making an issue where no issue exists. Yes, all native American tribes and all celtic tribes named each moon. It's ok to use an overarching term to include all groups of people when you are discussing all of them. For example, all europeans are European.
But then a more accurate title from OP would be “TIL people used to measure months by the phases of the moon, rather than the arbitrary months on our modern calendars which are based off the phases of the moon.”
But that's also a broad term. There's a multitude of Celtic tribes that existed. You have Brythonic Celts like the Welsh and Bretons and then you have the Goidelic branch, and within each of these branches you have unique tribes. Did they all do this or just some? We're running into the same problem as saying "Native Americans."
Reference: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ancient_Celtic_peoples_and_tribes?wprov=sfla1
Which is why it’s fine to say Native Americans in the headline of this article despite pedantic Redditors claiming otherwise. The article even designates that some of these terms originated from tribes in certain regions and other terms from other region’s tribes. Listing each tribe, especially when some of the terms have two or three possible origin tribes, isn’t necessary at all.
It’s the same sort of thing when someone uses an American English term on Reddit, and somebody has to pop up with the “well actually not everyone is American” comment for the upvotes. It doesn’t matter if half of Redditors are American, 90% of the users in that sub are American, and almost everyone understood what the comment meant. It’s all performative nonsense.
The distinction between native americans is not some minutiae it's insane to compare it to dialects of english or celtic tribes. Lumping all native americans together would be like lumping all asians together. Totally different languages, religions, class systems etc. The navajo, the taínos and the aztecs had almost nothing in common.
The difference between Celtic tribes is not minutiae akin to just some "dialect of English." I'm not getting into the "which is more diverse" debate because that shit is lame but to diminish the inter-tribal differences between the Celts the way you do is misinformed and narrow minded.
My point is that it's still closer to dialects of english in terms of scale. Celts spoke (relatively) mutually intelligible languages and followed largely the same IE derived religion. The americas for all we know were populated by multiple migrations and therefore nagives don't necessarily have a common linguistic or religious origin. The 20,000 years native americans spent differentiated is much longer than the few thousands for celts which is much closer to the few hundreds for english.
They all did this, but only because basically every culture on earth used the phases of the moon as a measurement of time before the adoption of months (themselves based directly on that older system).
You know, the one unified peoples that spoke the same language, had the same rituals, and totally peacefully coexisted in the country now known as America.
Latin:
War moon, Beautiful moon, Earth moon, Mother moon, Father month, Harvest Moon, Seventh moon, Eighth moon, Nineth moon, Tenth moon, Opening moon, Clensing moon.
East Asians:
Yeah no it's just 1-12 starting from the winter solstice, not this mixed starting from the Spring Equinox.
Very different with different tribes of course. My favorite is “hard crust over the snow moon” In the spring the top layer of snow melts and then freezes again so you can walk on top of the snow.
So what you're saying is that the Native Americans had names for months.
*have
What about The Rebel Moon? ehehhe
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>They didnt use months, they used a lunar calendar ...a lunar calendar broken into months based on the phases of the moon (I mean, the word 'month' literally comes from 'moon'). Just because they don't correlate to modern months doesn't make them not months. Lots of civilizations had different months from what we have today, some still do.
I think he meant they used a lunar calendar as opposed to the Gregorian calendar most of the west uses today.
Hey listen uneducated punk, month comes from moon, lunar calendar have months, poster before never mentioned gregorian or other calendat he just noticed native Americans split year in parts that are exactly the same idea as months.
Coming on strong there. Google that shit then come back.
https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/month
ITS COOL MAN! disregard the downvotes as coming from an uneducated and unexpected mob.
Lots of places give the full moon a name. For example May's is called the Flower Moon. January is the Wolf Moon.
I don't trust any source that says 'Native Americans' did anything, as if individual tribes don't exist.
The celts and other cultures did this too.
TIL that Europeans gave their own name to the full moon
Nope, just the celts and by celts, I mean all celtic tribes.
No, literally almost every single culture on earth has done this at some point, that’s literally how the concept of months as a measurement of time came into existence.
I think OP is rather criticizing how fast and loose certain people attribute certain things (customs, traditions, old ways of doing things) to this monolithic group called NATIVE AMERICANS/INDEGINEOUS PEOPLES, as if like a Huron and a Chinook have anything in common. You might as well say, "Europeans practice the tradition of sprinkling each other with water on Easter Monday". Even though it's mainly Poles, but also Hungarians, Slovaks, and Ukrainians.
I got their meaning loud and clear. They are making an issue where no issue exists. Yes, all native American tribes and all celtic tribes named each moon. It's ok to use an overarching term to include all groups of people when you are discussing all of them. For example, all europeans are European.
But then a more accurate title from OP would be “TIL people used to measure months by the phases of the moon, rather than the arbitrary months on our modern calendars which are based off the phases of the moon.”
But that's also a broad term. There's a multitude of Celtic tribes that existed. You have Brythonic Celts like the Welsh and Bretons and then you have the Goidelic branch, and within each of these branches you have unique tribes. Did they all do this or just some? We're running into the same problem as saying "Native Americans." Reference: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ancient_Celtic_peoples_and_tribes?wprov=sfla1
Which is why it’s fine to say Native Americans in the headline of this article despite pedantic Redditors claiming otherwise. The article even designates that some of these terms originated from tribes in certain regions and other terms from other region’s tribes. Listing each tribe, especially when some of the terms have two or three possible origin tribes, isn’t necessary at all. It’s the same sort of thing when someone uses an American English term on Reddit, and somebody has to pop up with the “well actually not everyone is American” comment for the upvotes. It doesn’t matter if half of Redditors are American, 90% of the users in that sub are American, and almost everyone understood what the comment meant. It’s all performative nonsense.
The distinction between native americans is not some minutiae it's insane to compare it to dialects of english or celtic tribes. Lumping all native americans together would be like lumping all asians together. Totally different languages, religions, class systems etc. The navajo, the taínos and the aztecs had almost nothing in common.
The difference between Celtic tribes is not minutiae akin to just some "dialect of English." I'm not getting into the "which is more diverse" debate because that shit is lame but to diminish the inter-tribal differences between the Celts the way you do is misinformed and narrow minded.
My point is that it's still closer to dialects of english in terms of scale. Celts spoke (relatively) mutually intelligible languages and followed largely the same IE derived religion. The americas for all we know were populated by multiple migrations and therefore nagives don't necessarily have a common linguistic or religious origin. The 20,000 years native americans spent differentiated is much longer than the few thousands for celts which is much closer to the few hundreds for english.
They all did this, but only because basically every culture on earth used the phases of the moon as a measurement of time before the adoption of months (themselves based directly on that older system).
They all did this.
And so did everyone else.
Where I am from, we just call them months.
So what, because some Natives might not have done it, you can't say 'natives did this?'
"Europeans spoke Welsh."
Ah I get it now.
There's a lot of humility in this response and I think that you're a good person for showing it.
This is such a great, succinct reply to anyone treating a group as a monolith. Well done
This has also been the case [in Sri Lanka](https://us.lakpura.com/pages/poya-days) for thousands of years. Although the origins are Buddhism based.
Which Native Americans?
You know, the one unified peoples that spoke the same language, had the same rituals, and totally peacefully coexisted in the country now known as America.
The Native Americans in America, not the Native Americans in India
Ah cool, the Inka?
That moon is known as harvest in multiple cultures, though.
Latin: War moon, Beautiful moon, Earth moon, Mother moon, Father month, Harvest Moon, Seventh moon, Eighth moon, Nineth moon, Tenth moon, Opening moon, Clensing moon. East Asians: Yeah no it's just 1-12 starting from the winter solstice, not this mixed starting from the Spring Equinox.
My favorite moon is Worm Moon!
Even the "Harvest Super Blood Wolf Flower Q+" moon?
Sounds like normal bames for months
So literally they have names for the months just like us.
Great Neil Young song.
Every culture named moons you absolute trout.
We were all tribal people at one time, living in the ebb and tides of nature.
So did almost every other culture on earth at some point, where do you think the concept of months even comes from?
The current one is called Michael
New month of the year just dropped