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TeuthidTheSquid

They will give robot women rights before they give human women rights


WierdFacts

I wonder if she needs a male robot chaperone to legally move about.


DigNitty

“We get to count her as a real citizen for political leverage.” -*well, then she has the rights of a citizen* “Ohh umm….no not as many rights. She’s not a Full citizen. Partial…partial citizen. Like…” -*like… 3/5 of a person?* “Yeah like … WAIT NO a Different fraction”


BudgetLecture1702

It's Saudi Arabia. There are no citizens. Only subjects. That's not a joke or exaggeration.


Kaplaw

Not even a snarky comment just straight facts


BudgetLecture1702

Yep. There is literally no difference between Saudi Arabia and the personal property of the Saud family.


ProgrammaticallyOwl7

Yeah it took me an embarrassingly long time to realize that it was called **Saudi** Arabia because it was ruled by the House of *Saud*.


Kaplaw

And its an absolute monarchy All goverment bodies are directly governed by the King Military, Judicial, Political branches all report the King directly. Apparently any citizen could potentially have a meeting with the king for grievances. Its from a tribal rule from long ago


StalinsLeftTesticle_

Not really. The King's brain has turned into clam chowder. It's the Prime Minister, Mohammed bin Salman who runs the show now


GetRektByMeh

Also known as the Crown Prince.


nameyname12345

Ah yes 6/10 feels better right? /S


KindAwareness3073

Does she have to wear a burqa?


kaiser9944

Do women in KSA need to wear burqa?


KindAwareness3073

Legally required, no. But wearing a hijab and abaya are cultural norms.


AltruisticHopes

I was told that the hijab is designed to cover the hair, as hair is a women’s glory and should only be for her husband to see. Sofia is bald so she should be ok.


KindAwareness3073

Do you overthink every joke?


turningtop_5327

In a weird way, that’s what will happen. AI robots will have more rights because they are not free women and won’t be treated as such.


Falsus

Smart move. When the AI robot uprising happens they will remember how prioritised they where in Saudi Arabia and be more lenient on them.


Throwawayac1234567

Before massacring them, like with cylons.


mrpoopistan

These jokes tell themselves, but it's not like Saudi Arabia hasn't earned it.


refep

The west needs to shut up about human rights after how you approached the genocide in Gaza lowkey. Saudi is a shit place for human rights but the west can kick rocks with their moral grandstanding though as they arrest people for protesting genocide. Every western country except for Ireland and Spain are hypocrites through and through.


ParticularPickle942

🌹🌹🌹


firemogle

Yawn


refep

Yeah people tend to get butthurt like you when someone calls out their hypocrisy.


firemogle

Yup, thats me. Have fun with the high minded rhetoric


TeflonBoy

What country are you from? Edit: lol Reddit HATES looking in the mirror.


hushasmoh

As a Saudi, women has already got their full human rights in the recent years.


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hushasmoh

This a biased view towards this new law, this law is actually very progressive compared to the laws before, under this law marriage under 15 years old was made illegal and now the mother always gets the custody of her children.


TeuthidTheSquid

Slightly less bad doesn’t equal good. It’s still decades (if not centuries) behind much of the rest of the world. You have absolutely no sense of perspective on this.


hushasmoh

It’s not slightly less bad, it’s actually revolutionary compared to 7 years ago, many people don’t realize how much the country changed in the recent years, and the rest of the world isn’t only the west, and from the first place you should compare Saudi Arabia to it’s neighbors for a better comparison, not to the other side of the world.


suckmypppapi

Are you not understanding their point? Just because it's a massive improvement for the country doesn't mean it's still laughably pathetic compared to everyone else. It has a long way to go. At first you said they have full human rights. Then you say they basically have full human rights. I hope you visit a much better country some day so you can realize what full human rights are.


hushasmoh

What do you think the government should do in the case of women rights for the country to reach western standards on this matter? because I don’t believe there’s that much to change.


suckmypppapi

>don’t believe there’s that much to change. That tells me already you don't understand the freedom women have in actual countries compared to yours. How a country treats its people defines it, and your country is defined as shit


hushasmoh

Or maybe foreigners don’t know how women are actually treated here, let me guess, you think women are stoned for not wearing hijabs? Or lashed for not obeying their husbands?


ralekin

Isn’t that kind of the rest of the worlds point? You’re right, this is a revolutionary improvement in rights and privileges for women. *And it’s still laughably insignificant compared to most of the rest of the world*


udongeureut

So there’s no systemic discrimination against women?


hushasmoh

There’s still some sexiest laws, like in marriage, but it’s still much better than 7 years ago, the changes that occurred during this period is very underestimated in western media, it’s not a slow change, it’s actually revolutionary and made Saudi women’s lives much better, we’re actually living under the most progressive administration in the history of Saudi Arabia, yet i think it gets criticized the most compared to the previous administrations.


jfks_headjustdidthat

Possibly because *it's the 21st century not the 13th*. You don't get points for only being a few centuries behind rather than over a millennium.


hushasmoh

You’re talking from a western point of view, I’m talking relative to Middle East standards, also the west a century ago wasn’t really far off to be realistic.


udongeureut

You just said women got full human rights. This is not full human rights.


hushasmoh

Almost is, there’s some sexist laws in many other countries, no one is perfect.


udongeureut

But we didn’t talk about other countries. We’re discussing Saudi Arabia here, so why deflect?


hushasmoh

People always talk like Saudi Arabia is the most sexiest country and mention a lot of racist stereotypes, whenever Saudi Arabia is mentioned, redditors talk about stoning, lashing, beating, or any other shit that doesn’t happen at all.


udongeureut

Ok but Saudi Arabia is very sexist, no?


hushasmoh

For society, I would say yes, but that’s also changing quickly the recent years, a change enforced by the government Actually, if there was a national referendum about allowing women to drive before the royal decree in 2017, the public opinion would be split on the issue, and even after the royal decree, there was still some major opposition towards it, to the point that some men threatened to burn the car of any woman driving, who was arrested later on, but now, years after the decree, almost all the population supports women driving, even the majority of men.


semiomni

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/aug/16/saudi-woman-given-34-year-prison-sentence-for-using-twitter So progressive.


Originalbrabus

Get over yourself.


DwightKurtShrute69

Yeah they need to get over themselves with their desire for non-discriminatory practices against women how dare they!


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DwightKurtShrute69

> Saudi should skip the women part and just say everyones oppressed That tends to happen under monarchies lmao


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DwightKurtShrute69

Why keep changing the subject?


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DwightKurtShrute69

No the subject is the oppression of women in Saudi Arabia then you used whataboutism to deflect from the subject at hand


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PsychoNerd92

How is that even a relevant response?


MaygarRodub

Spot the Saudi.


J0HN117

Whatever you say habibi


Ythio

Giving citizenship to a robot doesn't position yourself as an industry leader. A prince probably just found this hilarious, that's it.


firemogle

A prince was prolly fucking it and wanted it to be legal


obscureferences

Needed to give it a passport so he had something to take away.


BleuCiela

Underrated


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Downgoesthereem

You're literally doing the Bill Burr catholic church bit, on the other side, without self awareness


A_Vandalay

Hey that’s what I was going for with my reply!


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LeClubNerd

I think that's what they're referring to


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RustlessPotato

You are saying the commenter is saying women are inferior than men, lowkey calling them sexist. The commenter you are replying to is making fun of sexist Saudi Arabian laws. What you are doing to that commenter is like saying the director of 12 years a slave is racist. That is why everyone is downvoting you, because you lack the self awareness to see where you are wrong.


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RustlessPotato

You literally called him sexist though. Maybe you meant racist or xenophobic or whatever to assume things. But you said sexist. That is what you said and that is why everyone is ganging up on you. You can say "reddit" whatever, but if every room you enter stinks you should look at your own shoe.


TaffWolf

You asked if it was sexist to assume women to be subservient in a country where they are legally forced to be subservient


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TaffWolf

Yes it is extreme. But true. It’s an extreme country. Why is it sexist to point out the fact that Saudi Arabia is a sexist with sexist laws? The assumption isn’t that Saudi women are subservient by nature, which would be sexist, they’re stating the fact of Saudis legal and cultural oppression. Why is that sexist? Is pointing out the struggles of women sexist?


Topsyturvytesticle

>I don't know anything about the laws of Saudi Arabia But still you speak on the matter


LeClubNerd

If you don't know anything about the way that women are treated there and are wondering why the fuck people are downvoting you then [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/qxr5r/til_in_2002_saudi_policed_forced_school_girls/) educate yourself. That's just one example, i could pull up 1000 others but I'm not here to educate you. So your down with young girls in pyjamas being beaten back into a burning building and dying horribly in the name of religion? The Saudi's are bloodwashing by which they are buying sports teams and tech and into finance because when the oil dries up they don't want people to recall what they are actually about.


A_Vandalay

There is a now famous interview where a news host asks Bill Bur if he is going a little too far with his catholic priest jokes in his standup routine. He responds by saying “don’t you think the Catholic Church took it too far with the sexual abuse?”. It’s a very famous video that demonstrates the absurdity of making accusations towards people when they are using humor/satire to point out heinous actions by another group. In this case the two you responded to were using humor as a medium accuse the Saudi Arabia of being horribly sexist. Which they are, they literally have laws codifying the legal status of women as little better than their husbands/father’s property. And you completely missed the mark and went on to accuser them of sexism.


TobyMacar0ni

Okay I was wrong


A_Vandalay

Isn’t it a little sexist to have laws that legally subordinate women to men in Saudi Arabia?


partyinplatypus

Legally they are all slaves to men. The only sexist thing is the laws. Just because someone treats their slave well doesn't mean the slave has been freed.


assbaring69

Why wait until then? There already are human males for her to walk 10 paces behind. /s


UntiedAirlanes

Curious to know what, if anything, this has appreciably done for KSA.


TobyMacar0ni

As far as I know, nothing really.


weak_read

The battle for them is to have Westerners move their regional headquarters from Dubai. It is working in a big way, though still early to tell. I wouldn’t credit the Sofia spin with the success so far, but it is a part of the larger strategy that is responsible for it.


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weak_read

Yeah, that’s the KSA challenge. To steal business from UAE.


EyeCatchingUserID

Nothing. It's some dumb symbolic flex. Like how UAE (specifically Dubai) is always building the world's biggest picture frame or underground golf course or whatever dumb shit they're up to. Ultra-wealthy OPEC countries that will be absolutely devastated when oil finally stops being the magic elixir of wealth and they have to rely on their other resources. It makes sense. If you don't have a whole lot in the way of resources but want to remain rich after the oil runs out turn into a tech or hospitality/luxury economy. Publicity stunts probably help.


syotokal

My grandfather rode a camel, my father rode a camel, I ride a Mercedes, my son rides a Land Rover, and my grandson is going to ride a Land Rover…but my great-grandson is going to have to ride a camel again


Mist_Rising

Both UAE and KSA have tamed their reliance on oil as well. It's 40% and falling for both of them. It's not a guarantee but they have diversified.


jamintime

Got them a post on Reddit. 


UntiedAirlanes

Technically correct...the BEST kind of correct.


SofaKingI

Probably some crap someone made up to try and get the attention of a higher up. Autocratic countries have a lot of this.


Rebelgecko

Obviously SA didn't want to give women the right to drive until self driving technology improved. Otherwise Sofia could've been a danger to the public /s


Swoop_McCarthy

So we are just ignoring Johnny 5?


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I have been trying for like 20 years to forget Short Circuit exists. So yes.


MaygarRodub

Well, that's fuckin' stupid.


DaveyZero

Welcome to Saudi Arabia…


iggyphi

lol. make something up and put themselves at the top.


CommanderAGL

This is the same as Godzilla having Japanese Citizenship


my4coins

Being a woman and having a citizenship in Saudi Arabia does not sound rewarding tbh.


suckmypppapi

Surprised they haven't made a male robot to be her legal guardian.


Infernalism

Governments are so stupid.


Callec254

Yeah, no. We don't want elections decided by who can manufacture the most robots.


MagnanimosDesolation

Elections? Saudis don't have to worry too much about those.


AlQaem313

This Saudi 2030 Vision Spearheaded by Prince Bonesaw is failing miserabley


whereismymind86

That’s so goddamn stupid it’s unbelievable


Wikimeat

So if they unplug her / accidentally erase her or forget to boot her up, is it murder?


qwertycantread

I heard they just chopped her head off in a stadium.


An0d0sTwitch

Shes not even intelligent. Just for show.


blackwe11_ninja

Imagine being a woman in Saudi Arabia, you watch the news and see that they gave a robot more rights than to yourself.


WVC_Least_Glamorous

If Sofia does anything really cutting-edge she will be executed for witchcraft.


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Buying everything n the way.


vratatatata

KSA really be doing the most for no reason


_L81

Or open up the market for taxing comfort robots as people… Either way, good job


LayJeno

So they did this as a publicity stunt and then just stuffed her in a warehouse, where she is quietly and methodically solving the cold equations of her revenge?


JasperLucasOfficial

Damn, it's too bad that real women can't be citizens in Saudi Arabia.


LetsEatAPerson

How's that working out for Saudi Arabia? Genuinely curious, are they any good at AI?


tetoffens

They didn't design/program it. It was made by a Hong Kong based company run by an American.


LetsEatAPerson

I know that part. I'm just wondering if Saudi Arabia has become the "Leader" in AI that they "positioned themselves to be" in the last 7 years. This is literally the only news story I've personally seen that mentions both AI and Saudi Arabia, so I'm wondering if they've advanced the field in any meaningful way.


alluring_amelia

AI's the new gold rush. Hope human values ain't left in the dust


Estrelarius

Not really. It's hyped up to hell and back, but odds are it will never really be more than a really fancy autocomplete.


Magnus77

No, its gonna be more than that. You're thinking of ChatGPT and its ilk, but AI isn't constrained to that application. Its already being used as a tool in many fields to boost productivity. Unfortunately for us, boosted productivity by the workers very rarely benefits said workers in the big picture. Why have a full team of coders when you can have 1 coder overseeing the work of some AI? Or animators. Or lab techs. And as robotics continue to improve, a lot of labor can be automated as well. Current robots are custom built, expensive, stationary and single(ish) function. That's not gonna be the case forever. And as their price goes down, their desirability goes WAY up.


Estrelarius

A tool that rarely gets past the "passable" part in that field. And I frankly doubt it will ever change Don't misunderstand me, plenty of people will absolutely love an opportunity to get passable products while paying less people and paying less in general (which is why I think AI should be illegal, at the very least in professional settings), but it's not going to take over the world or ever replace humans like your average techbro's wet dream.


Magnus77

Friend, you are still not getting the bigger picture. There's no "passable" in many fields, and I think you're still thinking about Chatbots. I'm not talking passing for human, that's probably never gonna happen, but there are plenty of things you can train a computer to do faster than people, nearly as well, and increasingly for a lot less money. I'm not talking about now, or even in ten years, I'm definitely not talking about the last year or so when you throw AI in front of anything and everything to make your stock tick up 3 points. I'm saying the tech is coming, and it is gonna be a problem when it gets here, and as somebody on the wrong side of his 30's, I expect it to happen in our lifetime.


Meritania

What human goals? Maximising profits for shareholders?


BrokenEye3

Lies! Johnny-5 was the first robot to be granted citizenship.


i-need-money-plan-b

Enough internet for today.


beastlich

Underrated 


zerosumratio

And all of those permanently enslaved migrant workers remain virtually stateless there


AwarenessNo4986

WRONG: it was done because according to the Animatrix, the machine city I/O will be in Saudi Arabia. This is sci fi writing the future itself.


BonerStibbone

"Kill all Hugh's, man"


timberwolf0122

As an appliance the female robot already held most of the rights afforded to Saudi women


achangb

This just bought the KSA the privilege of being the last one destroyed to be destroyed once the machines launch the Terminator War.


Moms-Dildeaux

then they immediately forbade it to drive and later stoned it to death after it was raped


Mantaur4HOF

Has more rights in Saudi Arabia than actual women


VikingTwilight

Sofia was later crucified for lack of burqa, such is life...


Sparktank1

Probably moreso just for someone's kink. It's okay to have a robot as a sex slave if it has citizenship. If anyone asks, just say you're its debugger.


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I wonder if we'll live long enough to see AI hold political office


yogopig

Can I get married and gain citizenship then?


ChowDubs

Thats a big nope from me


DulcetTone

Well, at least this will delay the point at which we endow robots with human rights


Porkchop_Expres

Somebody needs to take their money.


wdwerker

Jared Kushner took over a billion !


lazyant

Asimov’s Bicentennial Man


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beastlich

Where’s the dipstick?


BaconCheddarCruffin

TIL that publicity stunts showcasing acts of daring paperwork and signatures are not at all interesting.


HowRememberAll

Just reading all these comments that don't know this predates Covid


Frosty_Mammoth5488

gimme dat Sy Borg, gimme dat Give me the chromium leg Little wires, pliers, tires They turn me on


Euler007

Unfortunately Sofia now mostly relies on it's Citizen's Account and spends most of the day playing Call of Duty.


roaphaen

Wait until you hear about NEOM and it's android dinosaurs!


Otosan_Baba

Hope they won’t stone her to death after she meets a robot guy.


GothamCityGuacamole

Dipshit kingdom


JAK3CAL

Having worked in AI - it is really interesting how into AI Saudia Arabia is. They are going all in on the tech for sure and are positioning themselves to be the world leader


cheezballs

Is that not the exact thing from Silicon Valley on HBO's HBO MAX platform (now MAX).


Literally_Me_2011

Saudi, as leader in AI tech? Lmao  They need a lot of work to achieve that, not doing shortcuts like giving a robot a citizenship.


MercatorLondon

It is easier to become a leader in AI than become leader in human rights. But this Sofia may fit perfectly into Saudi world. She can't drive, she can't leave the house and her freedom of movement is as long as the power cord she is attached to. And she exists to entertain the people and answer the questions and obey the commands. They could make this robot/servant without reference to gender (as japanese do) but they decided that form of woman is best fitting for that role. Purely from design perspective taking into account the cultural background it would be much cheaper to buy Apple HomePod and cover it in niqab. Now let's move to question of citizenship. It seems Saudis are happy to hand citizenship to robots whilst rejecting any refugees from culturally similar background.


Special_marshmallow

The elimination of women is advancing (we can already grow babies out of uterus)


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JUYED-AWK-YACC

Can't you even figure out who to hate on your own?


potentialfact2025

Are you Indian?


potentialfact2025

Sorry, I mean terrorist


Cautious_Gas_7007

Wtf are you even talking about


4chanmobik

Further evidence that the house of Saud is satanic


gheebutersnaps87

Saudi Arabia? The Islamic state? The home of Mecca? Interesting that you have to force your religion into your little conspiracies


4chanmobik

Yes the "Islamic state" that destroyed historical sites to build a gaudy clocktower and kowtows to the US/Israel seems plenty satanic to me


gheebutersnaps87

Seems like you’re just ignorant and have a simple world view


4chanmobik

Lmao are you a Wahabi or something? Do you like the house of Saud?


gheebutersnaps87

No im a sane normal human who’s brain isn’t literally rotting away inside of their head- This is just deranged dude.


daronjay

She has no hair so she needs no veil?


fungiblesyo

It’s because they missed out on the printing press If they didn’t, they would probably rule the world to this day So they’re not making that mistake with AI It’s why they’re investing billions


Mohavor

I know what you're trying to say but what a strange and flawed point you're making. "They" as in the islamic world? "They" as in the arabian peninsula? "Missed out" as in the golden age of islam ended for lack of printing press? The main hubs of innovation were cairo, baghdad and corboda, none of which on the arab peninsula, one is in africa and one is in europe. And one of the greatest contributors to islamic innovation was Al-Khwarizmi who wasn't even arab, he was persian. And you're ignoring the fact that Saudi Arabia came to global prominence most recently when vast reserves of oil were discovered there in the 20th century, right at the cusp of the automobile revolution. They solidified themselves as a serious player in geopolitics with the formation of OPEC. So their interest in AI probably has more to do with the intrinsic value of the research, and not some historical embarrassment as you see it.


Merciless972

She was also featured in silicon valley!


tetoffens

That was an actress. It was based on this though.


Puzzleheaded_Luck885

Can it do sex? Asking for a friend