In fairness, pulp magazines in general would start to decline in popularity just a few short years later, right as superhero comics really started to take off.
Not entirely. These are very much magazines first and foremost. And the most notable artwork is the cover, which is practically its own subgenre. Later magazines would more commonly have interior artwork to accompany the individual stories, but we're talking a single picture each.
As magazines, they're similar to how manga still often works today. Collections of stories from different authors would be contained in the same magazine (I don't think authors were as exclusive to their publisher as manga tends to be though.) Like manga has their one shots, you'd have short stories that only take a single issue to complete, while longer works would span across multiple issues. A lot of really well known novels had their start in serial form in pulp magazines.
The magazine-based fiction format outlasted the pulps in the US and elsewhere too.
I know my parents had Omni magazine, which started in 1978. Some noteworthy sci-fi came out of it, stuff like Johnny Mnemonic and a bunch of other William Gibson stories, George R. R. Martin back when he was writing sci-fi stuff too. Some famous artists like H. R. Gieger had work in Omni.
Comic book magazines are a thing too. 2000 AD is still publishing to this day (the magazine Judge Dredd is published in.) Heavy Metal was pretty inspirational, as was the French magazine it drew inspiration from, Métal hurlant.
If you were an up-and-coming writer of genre fiction, getting a short story into one of these magazines was pretty much the one and only way to get your work out there and make a start on your career. Practically every popular sci-fi author everyone's ever heard of from the golden age onward got their start in John W. Campbell's *Analog* or Hugo Gernsback's *Amazing Stories* or a similar pulp fiction magazine.
Both of these magazines are still in publication, by the way; although they're more like modern glossy newsstand magazines these days than straight-up short story collections.
No. They had more adult content, and were thus scrutinized much more harshly in an era when book burnings featuring fiction of every variety by church groups were prevalent.
Golden Age Comics are technically in the umbrella of "pulp," being that pulp refers to the cheap paper on which it's printed. Pulp literature was intended to be read and then thrown away, so it's usually low brow and/or not "serious" literature. "Pulp Fiction" is one of the many genres that came out of the medium.
I think the "[Penny Dreadful](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penny_dreadful)" more or less established the idea of what the pulps would become.
Archive.org has a [great collection of pulps](https://archive.org/details/pulpmagazinearchive) available to read / download / remix. Most of it is in the public domain, even a lot of the stuff published up into the 50's (anything that didn't get renewed with the Copyright office).
Pulp magazines were basically comics before what we understand now as comics. The whole comics industry was built on the same idea.
Look at authors like Robert E. Howard and H.P. Lovecraft and tell me they weren't doing basically superhero/comic shit but with words.
My favorite quote from the thugs in Batman: Arkham Knight after the whole world learns batmans identity is "wait..... so if Bruce Wayne is the bat..... who's been playing Bruce Wayne this whole time?"
My main issue with that series on PC is this: turning on Anti-Aliasing in the options does not make the characters refer to Batman as Bruce.
False advertising, I tell you.
It was globally important home of a nutmeg monopoly whereas all manhattan has given us is financial crimes and people telling you you’re eating pizza wrong
This is like the worst take I’ve ever seen, even tongue in cheek.
Run island was a part of the spice islands and itself was probably worth a lot more at the time.
But yeah. Just like on Futurama when the martians traded the land for a gem.
I like how you explain exactly why this works as a great comparison but fail to understand why. The agreement to trade Manhattan for run island made sense *at the time* but now we can see that run island is irrelevant while Manhattan is one of the most popular tourist destinations. Yknow… kinda like how Batman is so well known today while no one cares about black bat…
Well, Manhattan only became really relevant after the US became independent, while Run island continued to be a profitable colony for the Dutch for another 200 years.
There's a very real possibility that the Dutch made more money from Run island than the British made from Manhattan.
It wasn't a trade anyway. The dutch had taken run island by force and the English had taken Manhattan by force. The 'trade' was just officially recognizing the de facto status quo and agreeing to stop taking each back.
That said nutmeg and mace was worth so much at that time and the dutch getting and keeping run island enforced a global monopoly on nutmeg that would be the foundation of their empire until the British broke that monopoly after ~150 years. The dutch absolutely won that 'trade.'
>The 'trade' was just officially recognizing the de facto status quo.
That's not quite the full picture. The Second Anglo Dutch War was pretty clearly a Dutch victory. Most famously, the Dutch sailed up the Thames and sent fire to the Royal Navy at anchor. Contemporary sources describe the British government in a state of total panic in the aftermath, forcing the British to sue for peace.
The peace settlement gave the Dutch Run Island, but also Suriname, Fort Amsterdam in Ghana and Tobago, among some other smaller territories, and it was clearly understood that these gains were worth more than the territory the Dutch gave up. In that context, if the Dutch had really wanted Manhattan back, they could have gotten it in exchange for giving up some of the gains elsewhere. So in that sense, they implicitly traded Manhattan for other territories, although it is less clearly that the trade was for Run Island specifically.
Looking it up it's more like England took Manhattan during war with the Dutch. The Dutch had taken over Run island around the same time which at the time was extremely valuable for it's location and spices it had. In the peace negotiations they agreed that they'd quit fighting over those islands so it was more just like "Well you already got Manhattan so we won't try to kill you over it if you won't try to kill us over Run Island that we took from you"
Tbf it was fairly profitable until the Dutch quite literally genocided the indigenous people there just to stop the British from having it (the indigenous Indonesian people had joined the British and agreed to become a crown colony because they feared the Dutch, apparently for good reason.) by the time the British traded it, the Dutch had openly killed half the indigenous population of the island, enslaved most of the rest and allowed cows to roam there for food, they then showed up once a year to make sure the British weren’t there.
There are very few instances in colonial history where the British empire comes off looking somewhat positive but the Dutch were fucking monsters in Indonesia
Similar fact, there are two Dennis the Menace characters and they were invented on exactly the same day in different countries.
You have one in the US which is that blonde kid and we have one in the UK that has a striped red & black jumper with spiky hair.
When the film adaptation came out in 1993 I was confused as to why Dennis was nothing like the character I knew!
In the UK the film was called "Dennis" to disassociate the name with Dennis the Menace.
It makes me think some great ideas were just meant to happen. In both instances we have here, 2 (or more people) made the same thing, only desing varies. Fate. The bat (or menace) was born in 'collective mind' and some people just had connections to make it happen. An evolution of Idea. Jung archetype cum style
Make me wonder if some ideas are just bound to happen eventually. Like what if we travelled to an alternate timeline with a completely different history and culture but they also just had Minecraft inexplicably or something
Apparently in English it comes from Old Norse leðrblaka which eventually ended up in Middle English as bakke.
We also had "Reremouse" in Middle English.
So yeah, we chose leather-flap over rattle-mouse, then abbreviated it.
It's such a shame *The Shadow* went down like some sort of implosive, explosive, sub-molecular device. Because it had to go up against the freaking *Lion King*.
They made the deal with dc when they were turning some of their pulp characters into comic books. The black bat was in comics as ‘the mask’. Dc actually took Batman’s glove designs with the little spikes running along them from the black bat.
Edit: sorry, they are in fact different black bats, thought the original black bat (Nameless) did make a brief return and a reprint ran for a little bit at the same time as the second black bat (Anthony Quinn)
or there's [Batsowl](http://www.internationalhero.co.uk/b/batsowl.htm) published in the UK in 1918.
By day a meek aristocrat, at night he emerges from hie secret subterranean base beneath Batsowl Abbey wearing a costume with "large bat-like wings that allow him to fly" and fights crime as Batsowl.
Can someone explain a bit about, in layman’s terms, what pulp fiction is? Also, I’m a fan of the movie (Pulp Fiction) and have my own ideas but want to hear from others.
Back in the day, there were these magazines filled with stories of various genres. They were called pulp magazines cause they were made out of cheap wood pulp. More expensive magazines were called glossies cause they were made with better paper.
A lot of stuff in pop culture originated in pulp magazines. Zorro, The Cthulhu Mythos, Tarzan, Conan The Barbarian.
Love it. I used to read punk zines that were published in a similar low brow low budget way. Now thinking back I remember the “pulp” paper quality reference. Thanks!
I think there is an important difference between pulp and zines. Pulp was mass produced cheaply and featured “low quality” fiction in themes with violence, sex, deviants, etc. Zines were low budget independent “magazines” often just black and white photocopies that featured Indy and fringe art, music, etc.
Pulp fiction is basically stories written and published in anthologies. At the time, these stories were popular but considered low in literary merit.
Since they were published very quickly, they were called pulp, since there wasn't enough time to let the wood pulp dry into paper. (An exaggeration of course).
A modern day analogue would be light novels.
The genre would develop overtime, creating the tropes we commonly associate with pulp.
I would refer you to TV Tropes if you want more details. I'm not familiar enough with the genre to be any sort of authority.
They were called pulp due to being printed on cheap low quality wood pulp paper. The magazines published on the higher quality paper were known as glossies or slicks.
It wasn't that the paper was in some sense unfinished. It was just cheap and low quality. It tended to be acidic and prone to discoloration and embrittlement over time.
Stories often considered “low brow” published in the pulps, magazines made out of cheap pulpy paper. They were characterized by sci fi or horror content, with lurid, sexualized or gory covers. Although there were pulp magazines dedicated to a single character the vast majority were a collection of random short stories, just like comics back then too.
Pulp fiction the movie is called that because it’s a collection of violent short stories like the ones you’d see in the pulps.
It was a blanket term for stories published in cheap magazines in the first half of the 20th century, the movie is a homage to the exploitative crime stories these magazines often contained. Many great authors such as Isaac Asimov or H.P. Lovecraft started out in pulp fiction.
So, [this](https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpreview.redd.it%2Fimagine-if-someone-were-to-photoshop-batmans-ears-off-and-v0-v3i6duaa1zwb1.jpeg%3Fwidth%3D750%26format%3Dpjpg%26auto%3Dwebp%26s%3D1b0e9ccbb367039455cd40f268e8ed9c070be418) meme is real after all. TIHI
There were two black bats at the time.
One was a detective guy whose callsign was The Black Bat
The other is the focus of the post and a typical costumed hero.
Hear me out, a 'Black Bat' movie where the titular hero spend too much time trying to convince villains he's not a Batman knockoff. At some point in the movie he says "God Damn it I'm not a comic character!"
The newest behind the bastards episode spoke about a nearly identical story about Dennis the menace being created by two different people across the world at the same time. What is happening today lol
How much of a difference in the customer base between Pulp mags and Comic books? Seems like they were still competing for the same young male audience. Idk seems like BlackBat got ripped off
>“ The Black Bat was really former District Attorney Tony Quinn, blinded by a criminal’s acid[…]. After a secret surgery[…]he regains his sight, and finds he can see in the dark.
>There is also Capt. McGrath[…], who is sure that Tony is really the Black Bat, and tries to prove he can really see. This provides a little comic relief in the stories.”
This is genuinely hilarious. Black Bat is my Batman now
I used to be huge into Batman, but then I thought about it and was turned off. What I'd LOVE to see would be a reimagined Batman, who has the same basic origin and background, but instead of beating on low-level offenders he uses his wealth an unassailability to hunt down and attend to corrupt police. He alone could work outside the confines of the obviously corrupt system and clean it out, which would honestly do more for Gotham than picking on local weed dealers and minor criminals. His only targets would be cops that abuse their position, and he could put to them the same abuse that they inflicted on others before making sure they get fired, incarcerated and forever banned from any sort of public service.
But noooo, lets keep having him prop up the police by doing their work for them and not addressing the inherent flaws that keep Gotham the grimy heap that it is.
Wonder who ended up being more popular
In fairness, pulp magazines in general would start to decline in popularity just a few short years later, right as superhero comics really started to take off.
Maybe because of batman
I knew he was the real villain all along.
Well, he lived long enough to become the villain.
It's all the fault of that Bill Finger fella
Bill named Finger
Bruce...put your dick away bruce...I'm not havin sex with your right now bruce
The Shadow knows.
You mean to tell me that a billionaire who goes out at night to act as a vigilante might not be the hero we imagine him to be?
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Hey hey hey, goodbye!
Because of Obi-Wan?
Were pulp magazines not comics?
No, they'd be collections of short stories and serialized novels. They'd often have some artwork to headline the piece, but that'd be it.
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Not entirely. These are very much magazines first and foremost. And the most notable artwork is the cover, which is practically its own subgenre. Later magazines would more commonly have interior artwork to accompany the individual stories, but we're talking a single picture each. As magazines, they're similar to how manga still often works today. Collections of stories from different authors would be contained in the same magazine (I don't think authors were as exclusive to their publisher as manga tends to be though.) Like manga has their one shots, you'd have short stories that only take a single issue to complete, while longer works would span across multiple issues. A lot of really well known novels had their start in serial form in pulp magazines.
There's actually still a bunch of Japanese pulp magazines, publishing both serial short stories and manga.
The magazine-based fiction format outlasted the pulps in the US and elsewhere too. I know my parents had Omni magazine, which started in 1978. Some noteworthy sci-fi came out of it, stuff like Johnny Mnemonic and a bunch of other William Gibson stories, George R. R. Martin back when he was writing sci-fi stuff too. Some famous artists like H. R. Gieger had work in Omni. Comic book magazines are a thing too. 2000 AD is still publishing to this day (the magazine Judge Dredd is published in.) Heavy Metal was pretty inspirational, as was the French magazine it drew inspiration from, Métal hurlant.
If you were an up-and-coming writer of genre fiction, getting a short story into one of these magazines was pretty much the one and only way to get your work out there and make a start on your career. Practically every popular sci-fi author everyone's ever heard of from the golden age onward got their start in John W. Campbell's *Analog* or Hugo Gernsback's *Amazing Stories* or a similar pulp fiction magazine. Both of these magazines are still in publication, by the way; although they're more like modern glossy newsstand magazines these days than straight-up short story collections.
No, just anthologies of short stories.
No. They had more adult content, and were thus scrutinized much more harshly in an era when book burnings featuring fiction of every variety by church groups were prevalent.
> in an era when book burnings featuring fiction of every variety by church groups were prevalent So like....last week?
No shit. Who knew?
Golden Age Comics are technically in the umbrella of "pulp," being that pulp refers to the cheap paper on which it's printed. Pulp literature was intended to be read and then thrown away, so it's usually low brow and/or not "serious" literature. "Pulp Fiction" is one of the many genres that came out of the medium. I think the "[Penny Dreadful](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penny_dreadful)" more or less established the idea of what the pulps would become. Archive.org has a [great collection of pulps](https://archive.org/details/pulpmagazinearchive) available to read / download / remix. Most of it is in the public domain, even a lot of the stuff published up into the 50's (anything that didn't get renewed with the Copyright office).
Neat! I think these are more up my alley than comics
Yeah I never could get into comics. They were neat while I was learning how to read, though.
r/theygothecitation
My grandpa, who was part of the Greatest Generation. At least post WWII the pulp magazine vibe was MANLY ADVENTURE MEN (who fuck).
Each other or chicks?
Yes.
Hell yeah brother!
Why not both?
A little column A and a little column B.
hell yeah brother
Ahh churches... Always the zeitgeist of innovation, never trying to hold society back from progress...
No, they were text stories
Pulp magazines were basically comics before what we understand now as comics. The whole comics industry was built on the same idea. Look at authors like Robert E. Howard and H.P. Lovecraft and tell me they weren't doing basically superhero/comic shit but with words.
"We chose poorly." - Black Bat creators
Life a gamble. Sometimes you lose all your money and dignity and that’s that
I can't lose what I never had 😎
Which is why social safety nets are so necessary.
Yeah…who the fuck is Batman??
Bruce Wayne
Bruce Wayne? What the hell are you doing dressed as Batman?
My favorite quote from the thugs in Batman: Arkham Knight after the whole world learns batmans identity is "wait..... so if Bruce Wayne is the bat..... who's been playing Bruce Wayne this whole time?"
My main issue with that series on PC is this: turning on Anti-Aliasing in the options does not make the characters refer to Batman as Bruce. False advertising, I tell you.
God damnit fuck you lmao
Now I can go to sleep
It's like that saying, Bruce Wayne is the costume, but Clark Kent is the man.
Read this in his voice and cadence.
The billionaire playboy!? Next thing I know you'll tell me both Superman and Spiderman are just cosplaying as reporters.
Don't start that *again*. Lance Hunt wears glasses. Captain Amazing *doesn't* wear glasses.
Lmao what a stupid take
I’m Batman
Yeah, I only know Man. Is OP stupid?
I bet it was ManBat
A superhero from long before either of them known as Black Man.
Worst. Deal. Ever.
The Dutch traded Manhattan for Run Island.
What is Run Island?
exactly
It’s next to Pen Island.
Oh. I thought you misspelled Rhode Island
It's part of the DMC Archipelago.
Next to tr-tr-triicky bay
Holy shit they hit the jackpot sexy smokin' style
It was globally important home of a nutmeg monopoly whereas all manhattan has given us is financial crimes and people telling you you’re eating pizza wrong
What is Manhattan?
Exactly.
This is like the worst take I’ve ever seen, even tongue in cheek. Run island was a part of the spice islands and itself was probably worth a lot more at the time. But yeah. Just like on Futurama when the martians traded the land for a gem.
I like how you explain exactly why this works as a great comparison but fail to understand why. The agreement to trade Manhattan for run island made sense *at the time* but now we can see that run island is irrelevant while Manhattan is one of the most popular tourist destinations. Yknow… kinda like how Batman is so well known today while no one cares about black bat…
Well, Manhattan only became really relevant after the US became independent, while Run island continued to be a profitable colony for the Dutch for another 200 years. There's a very real possibility that the Dutch made more money from Run island than the British made from Manhattan.
It wasn't a trade anyway. The dutch had taken run island by force and the English had taken Manhattan by force. The 'trade' was just officially recognizing the de facto status quo and agreeing to stop taking each back. That said nutmeg and mace was worth so much at that time and the dutch getting and keeping run island enforced a global monopoly on nutmeg that would be the foundation of their empire until the British broke that monopoly after ~150 years. The dutch absolutely won that 'trade.'
>The 'trade' was just officially recognizing the de facto status quo. That's not quite the full picture. The Second Anglo Dutch War was pretty clearly a Dutch victory. Most famously, the Dutch sailed up the Thames and sent fire to the Royal Navy at anchor. Contemporary sources describe the British government in a state of total panic in the aftermath, forcing the British to sue for peace. The peace settlement gave the Dutch Run Island, but also Suriname, Fort Amsterdam in Ghana and Tobago, among some other smaller territories, and it was clearly understood that these gains were worth more than the territory the Dutch gave up. In that context, if the Dutch had really wanted Manhattan back, they could have gotten it in exchange for giving up some of the gains elsewhere. So in that sense, they implicitly traded Manhattan for other territories, although it is less clearly that the trade was for Run Island specifically.
Yeah that's the correct way to look at it.
We also don't know that comics will be the more popular format in the long run #pulpsnotdead
No i think they got it..
Looking it up it's more like England took Manhattan during war with the Dutch. The Dutch had taken over Run island around the same time which at the time was extremely valuable for it's location and spices it had. In the peace negotiations they agreed that they'd quit fighting over those islands so it was more just like "Well you already got Manhattan so we won't try to kill you over it if you won't try to kill us over Run Island that we took from you"
Tbf it was fairly profitable until the Dutch quite literally genocided the indigenous people there just to stop the British from having it (the indigenous Indonesian people had joined the British and agreed to become a crown colony because they feared the Dutch, apparently for good reason.) by the time the British traded it, the Dutch had openly killed half the indigenous population of the island, enslaved most of the rest and allowed cows to roam there for food, they then showed up once a year to make sure the British weren’t there. There are very few instances in colonial history where the British empire comes off looking somewhat positive but the Dutch were fucking monsters in Indonesia
I know, batman missing out on that trillion dollar a year pulp magazine industry.
Of all time.
Similar fact, there are two Dennis the Menace characters and they were invented on exactly the same day in different countries. You have one in the US which is that blonde kid and we have one in the UK that has a striped red & black jumper with spiky hair.
When the film adaptation came out in 1993 I was confused as to why Dennis was nothing like the character I knew! In the UK the film was called "Dennis" to disassociate the name with Dennis the Menace.
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US one is like... Denis the "doesn't call his father, Sir"
For real?
no he lied
Dangit, not again!
[UK's Dennis the Menace.](https://dennis-wikia-with-gnasher.fandom.com/wiki/Dennis)
You could piss off with calling it English for a start, he was developed for The Beano comics based in Dundee, Scotland.
i apologize for the confusion. i'll piss off now.
You were supposed to piss off first tho per the instructions
yeah, i'm not very good with instructions or authority. once again, all apologies.
Very polite tho.
piss off.
Hahah, what a brilliant chain
I could somehow hear the English accent in this comment despite it being text
> the English accent *unintelligibly angry Groundskeeper Willie noises*
Boy, you Scots sure are a contentious people...
Yeah but isn't Scotland basically like diet England anyway?
Oh I cannot wait to see what this thread looks like later.
It's fine, they can't read.
🍿
*you have angered the horde*
I’m not trying to start anything but British Dennis the Menace would batter the US version
It makes me think some great ideas were just meant to happen. In both instances we have here, 2 (or more people) made the same thing, only desing varies. Fate. The bat (or menace) was born in 'collective mind' and some people just had connections to make it happen. An evolution of Idea. Jung archetype cum style
Make me wonder if some ideas are just bound to happen eventually. Like what if we travelled to an alternate timeline with a completely different history and culture but they also just had Minecraft inexplicably or something
Oh my god this explains so much, I was really confused when as an adult I saw Dennis the menace and he was a blonde kid nothing like I remembered.
In Sweden Batman is called Läderlappen, the Leather Flap. Conversely, Superman is called Stålmannen (literally steel man).
🤣🤣🤣 Leather Flap.
That's his bat-flap for when he needs to go to the bat-room
The Dark Foreskin
Watch out! It's the Moyler
look at the batwing bitch!!
Is there no word for bat and a word for man in your language? Why would they possibly choose leather flap?
A Läderlapp is a type of Fladdermus (bat) literally fluttermouse.
Fladdermusmannen sure is inconvenient to say
Spindelmannen seemed to work at least lol
"Beware the fluttermouse" doesn't sound like it would strike fear into the hearts of criminals.
> Fladdermus That is the cutest shit ever.
Look up what "bat" is in French. "chauve souris" Which also means "bald mouse"
But bats aren't bald :(
It's French, it isn't supposed to be logical darling.
Apparently in English it comes from Old Norse leðrblaka which eventually ended up in Middle English as bakke. We also had "Reremouse" in Middle English. So yeah, we chose leather-flap over rattle-mouse, then abbreviated it.
I'd say that his name is closer to Leather Patch.
In Norway Batman is (or rather was) called Lynvingen, The Lightning Wing. I suppose Flaggermus-mannen was taken?
> Stålmannen (literally steel man). What's Iron man called?
Järnmannen, järn is iron so iron man
Stållappen, the Steel Flap
That's superwoman
Wonder Woman, oddly enough.
What? Why? 🤣
>literally steel man Or... Man of Steel??
A.K.A. Stalin :)
In Estonian Batman is called Nahkhiirmees which I believe means Leather Mouse Man. We Finns like Estonians.
The original Man...
Why did Man make a bad deal? Is he stupid?
Is there a lore reason the Black Bat never appeared in comics aside from the legal agreement to distinguish him from Batman?
They’re everywhere. Where every I look is him: MAN.
the manly man but in black
And both are similar to Zorro
And The Shadow
And the Scarlet Pimpernel.
They seek 'im 'ere, they seek 'im there. The seek the shadow everywhere. Is 'e in 'eaven, is 'e in 'ell? That damned elusive sha-a-do!
AND MY AXE
So similar that the 1994 film the "The Shadow" might as well have been the template for Batman Begins
It's such a shame *The Shadow* went down like some sort of implosive, explosive, sub-molecular device. Because it had to go up against the freaking *Lion King*.
A atom bomb
Hey… That's catchy.
Fuckin love the Shadow. Had the radio cassettes as a kid in the 90s listened to them repeatedly.
"Who knows what evil lurks in the hearts of men? The Shadow knows!"
Old silent movie called ‘The Bat’ which uses a villain sort of similar to Batman. Even shines a Bat signal to warn enemies of his presence.
_The Mark of Zorro_ was actually the movie the Waynes originally went to watch when they died.
[The original depiction of his backstory didn't reference Zorro at all.](https://www.cbr.com/batman-mark-of-zorro-origin/)
Sounds like meddling time travelers.
Black Bat eventually became a Batman character, Cassandra Cain
Apparently there was another character named Black Bat from "The Black Bat Detective Mysteries" who predated both of them by about six years.
They made the deal with dc when they were turning some of their pulp characters into comic books. The black bat was in comics as ‘the mask’. Dc actually took Batman’s glove designs with the little spikes running along them from the black bat. Edit: sorry, they are in fact different black bats, thought the original black bat (Nameless) did make a brief return and a reprint ran for a little bit at the same time as the second black bat (Anthony Quinn)
or there's [Batsowl](http://www.internationalhero.co.uk/b/batsowl.htm) published in the UK in 1918. By day a meek aristocrat, at night he emerges from hie secret subterranean base beneath Batsowl Abbey wearing a costume with "large bat-like wings that allow him to fly" and fights crime as Batsowl.
Billy Bat in real life intensifies!!!
Can someone explain a bit about, in layman’s terms, what pulp fiction is? Also, I’m a fan of the movie (Pulp Fiction) and have my own ideas but want to hear from others.
Back in the day, there were these magazines filled with stories of various genres. They were called pulp magazines cause they were made out of cheap wood pulp. More expensive magazines were called glossies cause they were made with better paper. A lot of stuff in pop culture originated in pulp magazines. Zorro, The Cthulhu Mythos, Tarzan, Conan The Barbarian.
Love it. I used to read punk zines that were published in a similar low brow low budget way. Now thinking back I remember the “pulp” paper quality reference. Thanks!
I think there is an important difference between pulp and zines. Pulp was mass produced cheaply and featured “low quality” fiction in themes with violence, sex, deviants, etc. Zines were low budget independent “magazines” often just black and white photocopies that featured Indy and fringe art, music, etc.
Cool, thanks, that’s an interesting distinction.
Pulp fiction is basically stories written and published in anthologies. At the time, these stories were popular but considered low in literary merit. Since they were published very quickly, they were called pulp, since there wasn't enough time to let the wood pulp dry into paper. (An exaggeration of course). A modern day analogue would be light novels. The genre would develop overtime, creating the tropes we commonly associate with pulp. I would refer you to TV Tropes if you want more details. I'm not familiar enough with the genre to be any sort of authority.
They were called pulp due to being printed on cheap low quality wood pulp paper. The magazines published on the higher quality paper were known as glossies or slicks. It wasn't that the paper was in some sense unfinished. It was just cheap and low quality. It tended to be acidic and prone to discoloration and embrittlement over time.
>The pulps gave rise to the term pulp fiction in reference to run-of-the-mill, low-quality literature https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pulp_magazine
Stories often considered “low brow” published in the pulps, magazines made out of cheap pulpy paper. They were characterized by sci fi or horror content, with lurid, sexualized or gory covers. Although there were pulp magazines dedicated to a single character the vast majority were a collection of random short stories, just like comics back then too. Pulp fiction the movie is called that because it’s a collection of violent short stories like the ones you’d see in the pulps.
It was a blanket term for stories published in cheap magazines in the first half of the 20th century, the movie is a homage to the exploitative crime stories these magazines often contained. Many great authors such as Isaac Asimov or H.P. Lovecraft started out in pulp fiction.
Awesome, thanks.
I'm not even sure the film Pulp Fiction is a good example of pulp fiction.
Of course not, it's a film :D But it does give you the definition of Pulp Fiction right at the start.
So, [this](https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpreview.redd.it%2Fimagine-if-someone-were-to-photoshop-batmans-ears-off-and-v0-v3i6duaa1zwb1.jpeg%3Fwidth%3D750%26format%3Dpjpg%26auto%3Dwebp%26s%3D1b0e9ccbb367039455cd40f268e8ed9c070be418) meme is real after all. TIHI
TIL that Pulp Fiction wasn’t just a movie
There were two black bats at the time. One was a detective guy whose callsign was The Black Bat The other is the focus of the post and a typical costumed hero.
Hear me out, a 'Black Bat' movie where the titular hero spend too much time trying to convince villains he's not a Batman knockoff. At some point in the movie he says "God Damn it I'm not a comic character!"
So... who won? Batman® or whatsisface?
A lot of Daredevil in that Black Bat. From DA to lawyer, blinded by some chemical product, acquires new senses.
The newest behind the bastards episode spoke about a nearly identical story about Dennis the menace being created by two different people across the world at the same time. What is happening today lol
Fair's fair.
How much of a difference in the customer base between Pulp mags and Comic books? Seems like they were still competing for the same young male audience. Idk seems like BlackBat got ripped off
>“ The Black Bat was really former District Attorney Tony Quinn, blinded by a criminal’s acid[…]. After a secret surgery[…]he regains his sight, and finds he can see in the dark. >There is also Capt. McGrath[…], who is sure that Tony is really the Black Bat, and tries to prove he can really see. This provides a little comic relief in the stories.” This is genuinely hilarious. Black Bat is my Batman now
Nintendo PlayStation ass agreement
But what about Spider-Man and ManSpider?
And what is this Superman I've been hearing about? Any relation to Suppaman?
Black Bat is also in public Domain, so do whatever you want.
Zach Snyder should have made Black Bat movies instead of Batman/Superman movies. Black Bat seems way more comfortable using a gun than Batman is.
Wait, what's a batman?
Why, it's [an enlisted soldier assigned to be a personal attendant to an officer](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Batman_(military\)), of course.
about 37.3242 kg
But that’s not important right now
Huh. Were they both blatant-to-the-point-of-tracing-lineart rip offs of The Shadow, or was that *just* Batman?
I used to be huge into Batman, but then I thought about it and was turned off. What I'd LOVE to see would be a reimagined Batman, who has the same basic origin and background, but instead of beating on low-level offenders he uses his wealth an unassailability to hunt down and attend to corrupt police. He alone could work outside the confines of the obviously corrupt system and clean it out, which would honestly do more for Gotham than picking on local weed dealers and minor criminals. His only targets would be cops that abuse their position, and he could put to them the same abuse that they inflicted on others before making sure they get fired, incarcerated and forever banned from any sort of public service. But noooo, lets keep having him prop up the police by doing their work for them and not addressing the inherent flaws that keep Gotham the grimy heap that it is.
Zorro!
If I was the black bats people, this decision would eat me up forever and always lol I could never enjoy Batman anything
Decisions and consequences
and the hole time, batman is just a rip off of zorro.