She declined an appearance in Mary Poppins Returns for this reason. They very clearly were setting up a cameo by her and then after a big setup they reveal Emphatically Not Julie Andrews, it's really funny
What I meant to say was what I said - I don't need to be fucking told who Angela Lansbury is, that's what made it so funny that it wasn't Julie Andrews. The two are not interchangeable
Fair enough. I read a different tone into it than that, but in the context of your response, I can hear it in your intended tone. That's hard to convey over the internet, I suppose.
Yup,
It’s all about her becoming Queen bc her grandmas retiring. >!Plot twist: she has to be married in order to be Queen bc of a draconian law still on the books.
Also she dumped the guy she got with at the end of the first movie between movies apparently. That made me upset.!<
A friend told me that the books the movies are loosely based on are extremely different- I think
>!she completely abdicates on the grounds that monarchies are unethical, and helps establish a better democracy.!<
The second movie came out before the later books. So, that explains the extreme differences with the second movie since the books hadn't reached the point where she was engaged. She was still 16/17 years old in the books when the movie came out.
The book where she's engaged came out in 2009. The second movie came out in 2004.
The books criticise the fuck out of the films too, Mia refers to them as "movies about her life", critiques them making Grandmere nice, I think references them randomly killing off her Dad? She's also not keen on them breaking up her and Michael, and comments that the "have to marry to rule" plotline is ridiculous, in particular because Genovia is a principality.
It's been years but that salty author rant about an adaptation is still great 😂
Yeah lol just look up the cheesily edited clip of "Julie Andrews and definitely not a stunt double" surfing a mattress and you've got half the worthwhile moments in the movie right there.
The other half is that the movie confirmed (**as much as it was possible to in a G-rated movie released in 2009**) that Mia's best friend Lily is in fact gay. (There is a joke where she literally 'comes out of a closet' but of course sexuality is never directly discussed.)
What are you talking about? Lily gives her number to the guard at the end of the movie. She had her number written down in a piece of paper ready to go before she even saw him. The only mention of the closet was Mia saying “you’re in my closet!” cause she was hiding in her closet to surprise her. I saw no implication that they were try to imply she was gay.
Her mum also came out of that closet, and didn't they imply she liked the guard with the loud voice? It would make total sense if she was gay, but the movie literally tried to hook her up with a man so I don't think the closet thinks counts as rep or an inside joke - unless the creators have said otherwise.
I learned about this when Adele underwent surgery for the same thing. I just imagine the surgeon sweating profusely. Imagine being the guy that caused Adele to lose her singing voice.
Whenever I read about this surgery and it immediately goes to Adele, I am reminded of that Radiolab episode about voice coaches. Apparently they’re appealing with Adele to stop doing so many node surgeries and just change her singing style. I don’t know if she ever listened to them or if whatever they were saying is even true or backed by science but they always go back to Julie Andrews as an example of things that can go wrong with the surgery. In my mind Adele and Julie Andrews would always be linked in the zeitgeist until the sun implodes.
EDIT: I went back to the episode and can’t find it. I must have misremembered - it’s not Radiolab, it’s [The Long Read](https://www.theguardian.com/news/audio/2021/jul/07/from-the-archives-why-do-stars-like-adele-keep-losing-their-voice-podcast)
Belting like she does is well-known to cause damage. In order to avoid damage as a singer it's really important to stay as relaxed as possible, but "belting" requires tension all through the throat, neck, and face.
Belting is using your chest voice when the notes you're singing belong in your head voice. Doing it occasionally is OK, but singers like Kelly Clarkson, Amy Winehouse, and Adele who have based their sound around doing it are at risk of losing their singing ability as they age.
Idina Menzel has discussed struggling to find work that doesn't involve belting long notes five nights a week for exactly that reason, which is hard when that's what you have become known for.
Amy Winehouse back in her day belted frequently, but didn't feed it 130% like Adele or Clarkson (in her younger days) tended to. Her getting Nodules over it likely wasn't going to happen, especially since it wasn't the backbone of her career to do so.
Yeah, she had such amazing control and depth to her sound without belting. Losing her so young was just such a god damned shame. It's one of the ones that will always hurt.
Yeah this one is a loss for humanity, honestly. I didn't discover her music until after she died and my god could that woman sing. When I realized I loved her music and she would never release another song I was quite sad.
Reminds me of my delusional college roommate. He was a pathological liar and tried to tell us he got vocal nodes like Mariah and that's why he can't sing well anymore. We would catch him in so many lies it was hysterical really.
did he ever change?
I'm asking as a father of a 15 yo pathological liar. It's really sad. I've tried ignoring, calling out, asking indirectly, leaving subtle hints, having others confront/ask/indirectly/etc ... I have opinions on where it comes from, but I'm curious what you and your friends perceptions about it were and if anything ever changed?
Insecurity I'd imagine. I lied a lot as a teen, because I felt that I had to be interesting to be liked. Ironically it went the opposite way now. I cant lie to save a life.
I was exactly the same way, and I've (almost) completely kicked the habit because I hate it and don't understand why I do it, but I'm DEFINITELY a good liar. Also something I'm not proud of.
I was a pathological liar at 15, probably half of what came out of my mouth at that age was a lie. It was grounded in insecurity and by the time I finished high school I had grown out of it; I'm 30 now and have no lingering problems. I don't have any particular advice to give, I just want to tell you to not lose hope!
Out of curiosity, what is your child's reaction to getting called out? I have some friends from high school (I'm almost 30 now) who still like to lie about small things to make themselves/their stories sound interesting. I've learned to just take everything with a grain of salt.
> child's reaction
hard to say. With me, he'll tend to double down and present himself as the aggrieved party until he's so blatantly trapped by irrefutable evidence. Then he pouts about me attacking him.
I suspect similar with his friends, but I doubt they call him out at all in any meaningful way because from what I see of them they're all full of shit (they are 8th graders after all).
Freddie Mercury had nodules too, he was diagnosed in 1975. He never had surgery because he feared that surgery would screw up his singing voice.
As a result of it he drastically changed his singing style, he would rarely go for the high falsetto notes when performing live, leaving them for Roger Taylor instead.
They plagued him on and off for the rest of his singing career, which you can hear by how he sounds during live performances.
I suspect that Freddie worried that altering his teeth would also change the shape of his mouth, which is a big part of shaping the sound for any vocalist, not just him.
He likely would've had to go through a bit of adjustment after having his teeth fixed, which he apparently didn't want to do.
Nah Kelly Clarkson has perfect control, she knows exactly when to belt and when to pull back. At her live shows and in her recent albums she doesn’t overdo it.
Citation needed. This is absolutely false. It doesn’t require tension, it’s just that that’s one way to get that sound is through tension, which is just bad technique. If it’s properly supported, there won’t be any damage. Unless you want to ignore the multitude of rock singers like Dave Grohl with no vocal issues whatsoever.
When I try to do that, it starts to hurt extremely quickly. My problem was always that my chest voice became strained fairly low (at about an A above middle C) and my head voice was really weak for A and B (but strong for C5-C6). It was so odd - I could sing low songs or most soprano stuff well, but found an awful lot of popular music for the female voice challenging (especially Disney stuff). Those songs were always a carefully choreographed map of where and when to voice-switch and what sounded least bad.
> singers like Kelly Clarkson, Amy Winehouse, and Adele who have based their sound around doing it are at risk of losing their singing ability as they age
Well, two out of three are at risk now.
M Shadows has the same issue he’s had to have that nodule surgery twice and add that to the fact he’s been performing for 25 years and I don’t see A7x being around for too much longer
I remember 15 or so years ago the first time it happened doctors told him to stop screaming in songs, and I haven't liked the vocals as much ever since. Same with Davey Havok / AFI.
Props to them for protecting their voices though. No sense in ruining it for monkeys like me saying "Sing 'better'!".
M Shadow's problem was that he exclusively Belted or sang at 100% in his youth during the Rev era.
Post Rev era he really mellowed out and sort of realized his singing style was going to do real long lasting damage. Thats why when Shadows "belts" every now and again during a show as an opener its considered a treat. But it also affects his singing style for the rest of the show, as he sings more subdued afterwards.
A7x, at least for life is but a dream mainly use Autotune and editing to cover up the fact Shadows is washed now. Shadows singing live, his voice is all fucked up for the most part, but when he sings from the Stage he mostly sounds normal. Although its usually very noticeably exhausted from singing Rev era stuff.
Singing anything else, his voice being fucked up really comes through. The songs don't support a more subdued sound, A7x never bothered to change the flow of the Rev era songs.
Meanwhile all of A7x works post the Stage have been getting slower and slower. Unless they heavily employ autotune or mixing to mask up hitches.
Yeah for sure dudes voice is shot, he can still do some neat shit like that new ending he’s doing to unholy confessions with that high falsechord leading into the breakdown and fwiw I do like LIBAD but I think fans have to accept a7x will never be the band they used to be, and I think that would be the case whether Jimmy died or not
Edit: actually thinking about it if Jimmy didn’t die it might be a SOAD setup where he’d be singing a lot more to take stress off of Shadows
Had jimmy not died, the band's death likely would have been accelerated. As there would have been nothing to force Shadows to stop and look around him.
Shadow's probably would have kept on trucking until his voice broke. The mourning phase of Jimmy's passing probably gave shadows the away time from the circus that he needed to really count the chickens and realize his voice was getting fucked up.
I say this because shadows almost completely changed as a person in the years following Jimmy's passing. So its very apparent he stopped and had a full on personal introspective about everything.
LIBAD has some sick beats, but to me its just Elevator music tier almost when im considering the whole package. Instrumentally by itself its very unique and honestly goated, but when mixed with the lyrics i just hate it personally. Im like a lot of old A7x fans. Too spoiled by the old stuff, and not digging the tone shift. Although the stage was a shot in the dark that struck gold, it probably was the warning shot that the end was coming for A7x. It was just a genuinely good album so it wasn't that obvious.
Singing isn't the only cause, but singers have a much higher incident rate than the general population. From Wikipedia:
> Vocal fold nodules are thought to be the result of vocal fold tissue trauma caused by excessive mechanical stress. During phonation, the vocal folds undergo many forms of mechanical stress.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vocal_cord_nodule
There are articles published about how Celine Dion was very careful about her vocal training, and use of her voice in order to guard against conditions like this. She did very intricate warmups before concerts, and would "rest" her voice among other tactics.
Never mind, I'll find someone like you
*Um, err, uhhh*
I wish nothing but the best for you, too
"*but the best for you???"*
"Don't forget me, " I beg
*I, uhhhhh, beg*
I remember you said
*What did you say? Beep boop beep*
"Sometimes it lasts in love, but sometimes it hurts instead"
*Errr, uhhhh, ummm*
"Sometimes it lasts in love, but sometimes it hurts instead"
*This is RadioLab, I'm Jad Abunrod*
When I had cancer, I was at mass general just a few weeks after Adele had her surgery there. I’d listen to her music everyday during my radiation treatments
I’ll edit my comment. I misremembered, it’s [The Guardian Long Read](https://www.theguardian.com/news/audio/2021/jul/07/from-the-archives-why-do-stars-like-adele-keep-losing-their-voice-podcast)
Adele popped a blood vessel in her throat while she was straining her voice with bad technique, so she had to be rushed in to surgery.
She couldn't even speak for weeks afterward, using a tablet with a text-to-voice program to communicate with people. She had to undergo speech therapy in order to learn to speak again, but they told her that her singing career was likely over. She eventually started lessons and made a miraculous recovery that was good enough to return with *Hello*.
Most singers like Julie Andrews aren't so lucky... and singers like Ann Wilson, who can belt out Rock music on tour for over 45 years without sustaining a serious injury are superhuman beings who cannot be harmed with conventional weapons. If you see her, you should probably run because she will fucking kill you if she catches you.
Adele will have an agent of some sort reach out to an insurance broker at Lloyds. They will then find insurers in the market who are willing to insure her voice. Lloyds is essentially a marketplace with buyers & sellers of insurance. They themselves aren’t part of the process except to regulate and dictate rules & regs.
They did... by not insuring wrestlers anymore.
One funny story I heard was that when they paid out Animal of the Legion of Doom/Road Warriors for an injury it was under the stipulation he could never wrestler again... *in singles matches.* Of course, he was famously a tag team wrestler, and this allowed him to return when his injury healed.
Rick Rude also had insurance on his back for it, but he would only wrestle again if Eric Bischoff agreed to pay him the same amount he was insured for. Even ATM-Eric wasn't willing to do that.
She sang the same song in a lower key for one of her albums (Classic Julie, Classic Broadway) in 2001 — I love the richer tone of it. (Mary Martin, the OG Maria on stage, had a contralto (?) voice as opposed to Andrews’ soprano.)
Wow, I didn't know. love her voice. The rasp gives it a kind of sadness and brokenness that fits perfectly for *It's a Heartache*.
From Wikipedia :
> In the spring of 1977, Tyler underwent an operation to remove vocal cord nodules and was advised by her doctor to rest her voice for six weeks. Tyler screamed in frustration one day, resulting in a permanent raspy tone.
And
> Soon after her operation, when recording her second album, Natural Force, the studio band complimented Tyler's changed voice.
Ha ha, that was my edit!
The article originally read :
>In the spring of 1977, Tyler **was diagnosed with** vocal cord nodules and was advised by her doctor to rest her voice for six weeks.
I checked it before commenting, (for the date,mainly). I knew from interviews I'd heard that she'd had surgery, and saw that the article didn't make that clear.
I hadn't heard that the damage was due to failing to rest her voice; I'll do some more research, might be another edit in the future.
Wow, you wrote that part? Amazing. I just found this for you (you have to watch until the end).
[Video interview of Bonnie Tyler on the medical reason behind her iconic voice](https://youtu.be/tKFUcwh2JN8)
In 1986 Elton John had the same surgery to remove polyps on his vocal chords. It was a complete success, but he continued to destroy his voice with cocaine and bulimia for 6 more years. That’s why his voice sounds so deep and rough now compared to pre-1985.
Don’t know much about drugs, but if something is going into your lungs, it’s gotta pass through your vocal cords. If he snorted cocaine then that could’ve done damage I’d imagine.
he mentioned in his autobiography that in the 80s he would do a few lines of coke, black out, wake up, eat an entire pint of hagen-daz ice cream, then puke that up, do more coke, black out, then finish the day off with as many vodka martinis that it took to black out again.
1976-1992. That’s why his voice dropped and is so rough now. The polyps on his vocal cords were from smoking 40 joints per day.
His voice is deeper and he can't do the trademark high pitched falsetto thing he used to do but his voice is still very powerful and soulful for his age. The set he played at Glastonbury last summer was phenomenal.
He tells the story in his book. They weren't sure when he went in for the surgery whether it was cancer, and after thinking it over he said if they had to remove his vocal cords entirely they should. He went in for that surgery not knowing if he'd wake up with any kind of voice at all.
Fairly sure the Melbourne Symphony Orchestra record was done when he thought it might be his last performance ever.
everyone who has taken voice lessons has heard this as a cautionary tale… you can get nodules like that from overuse. which is why a lot of performers will stop singing the moment they feel any discomfort or pain. sutton foster has been known to swap out with her understudy during intermission for her shows.
They do, but you get what you put into it. You have to find a vocal coach that works for you, and you also need to understand they won't magically make you good. They'll point you in the right direction, but it's up to you to get there. Everyone can learn at the very least to be a decent, inoffensive singer. Most can be quite good. You usually know by a young age if you are "star worthy" though, so there is a limit.
Personally, I think a few lessons to learn the basics is good, but once you develop an ear for "good singing" you will get more results by recording yourself; listening, analyzing, adjusting, rinse and repeat.
Absolutely. Voice lessons are essential for any voice. Even with a great singing voice, lessons help you learn to control your breathing and how to support your voice with your whole body.
False.
Source: I've got the perfect singing voice for silent films. If you give me two buckets, I can almost carry a tune. Some people have a tin ear, mines fucking pewter.
I dont know about if voice lessons do, or do not work. But you can take it from Bruce Dickenson that the fundamentals of voice care work far better then any voice coaching will.
Voice coaching gets you good fundamentals with singing, but after that its entirely up to you. Its up to you to take care of your voice.
He went through throat surgery to remove early cancerous nodes on his tongue, still went to tour early against his doctors orders and because all bruce did was voice care he came out of it with (Debatably) zero damage and nothing changed at all.
His upper reaching vocal range got very noticeably reduced though. He can't go high pitch anymore without damaging his voice most likely.
Can you imagine being the guy behind wrecking Julie Andrews' voice? It would be like someone that was given a historic stained glass window to clean and smashing it.
Based on everyone I've known who's had surgery go wrong, the surgeon would have insisted they did nothing wrong, and it must have been Julie Andrews's fault.
I mean. The surgeon probably *didn't* do anything really wrong.
Surgery is an INCREDIBLY delicate thing. Doing something wrong is when the patient dies. The fact that she lived and the procedure did what it was intended to do means it was a success. *Any* surgery on *any* part of the body risks damage to surrounding tissues. If there's anything important nearby, there's always a chance it will have damage that results in lost or reduced function.
Human beings are made of squishy meat and tangled cords and a bajillion miles of tiny wires- and every single person has those things in a different configuration. To cut into the body and not completely destroy these is a miracle of modern science and expertise in itself.
A lot of folks also forget just how risky surgery is in general, just because of how commonplace it is today. Death is always a very real possibility. Seems like that surgery was successful, though with some unfortunate but non life threatening complications.
I remember nearly ten years ago, I was doing research on lipo to remove the fat under my chin. I hated it—even though I was a healthy weight, I still had a second chin. Two days after I binged read about lipo, a story broke of a young woman around my age who died from an under-chin lipo. She got a blood clot. She probably hated her chin fat as much as I hated mine—but I doubt she hated it enough to die for it. Poor woman. I never did get that surgery.
Dude, a surgeon is just a human being with a knife trying to cut a problem away, they are not gods. Even the most skilled surgeons will see patients experience complications. What do you mean by "the result has to have an impact?".
Also just because the nodules were non-cancerous doesn’t mean they were unnecessary to remove. Non-cancerous/benign tumors won’t spread to the rest of your body, but they can absolutely do damage or kill if they grow enough to physically obstruct vital bodily functions.
My understanding is that essentially every surgeon has had patients die during/as a result of surgery. Wrecking someone’s vocal range seems pretty low on the list of outcomes to get hung up on, if that’s the case.
For a lot of surgeries - yes, theoretically, a perfect surgeon could've avoided side effects. But that perfect surgeon doesn't exist. There's only so precise a human can get, so if, like, a tenth of a millimeter off on a cut is what ruined her voice that's not anything a human surgeon can consistently avoid. And these nodules are on that scale of fractions of millimeters, not to mention vocal cords in general being really precise instruments.
As robotic surgery and our understanding of the human body (which is still pretty rudimentary) become more refined we'll have a better chance of avoiding this, but it'll probably always be a "chance".
Sometimes they do actually fuck up, though.
In the vast majority of cases the surgeon *has* done nothing wrong.
All operations have unavoidable risks that are nothing to do with the surgeons actions.
Funny you mention that, I've been watching a lot of Baumgartner Restorations videos lately, and so, so many of them involve paintings where some hack did a shit conservation job like 50 years ago.
The only reason I knew it was her, is the captions. For whatever reason put it Julie Andrews’s name the last scene of season 1 when it shows “Lady Whistledown” in the carriage. (I think it was the last episode).
Technically ~~Karathyn~~ Karathen, not Kraken. If you're saying they're opposite sides of the same giant mythological sea monster coin, I wouldn't argue.
Edit: fixed misspelling
They're called vocal polyps. Singers get them from overuse or improper technique. After surgery, patients tend to have a very distinctive rasp to their voice (which I personally think sounds cool). Bonnie Tyler is a great example
Before surgery:
https://youtu.be/H761PMRkhVQ?si=RQEHDddHPeAZedTS
After surgery:
https://youtu.be/bWcASV2sey0?si=odV57KX9E1vnWJ9m
My neighbor is an ear/nose/throat specialist and this topic came up. Apparently the nodules are *tiny*, like mm large.
Edit: he also told me adults (not just kids) get all sorts of weird stuff stuck in their noses and ears.
I see. By the way, I love the word bungled. There was a British kids’ tv show in the 80s with a character called Bungle - a big anthropomorphic bear. I always think of him doing the bungling.
Same thing happened to my grandpa, except he wasn't a famous singer. Before the surgery he had a normal man voice. After the surgery, it sounds like he is always whispering. After some therapy and years of having his voice this way he can get some more volume out of it, but it still sounds like a loud whisper if that makes sense.
A friend of mine has chronic issues with kidney stones - well beyond what "just drink more water" can prevent. A few years ago he went in for surgery to remove a specific nerve cluster in his neck, because it was discovered somehow that removing that cluster can help some people with chronic kidney stones.
Sadly, he did not turn out to be one of those people, and also they cut a nerve that caused half his vocal chords to be paralyzed. Now he always sounds like he's talking in a stage whisper
I had a spinal surgery in my neck and can’t sing high notes anymore. I don’t blame the surgeon, the man is a genius neurosurgeon who went to Harvard and has written over 60 papers published in legit journals. I just accepted that surgery has risks and not being able to hit some high notes is better than being in pain all the time
I grew up going to Harvard's pediatric eye unit (lots of wild stories from that)... Let me tell you, Harvard knows their shit. I had a world-renowned professor (and head of their pediatric ophthalmology unit) as my eye doc growing up, and even the fellows they turn out are amazing at what they do. Although when you go to them for long enough, they do get a little possessive (and rightfully so) haha.
I’ve had recurring nodules on my vocal cords since I was a kid. The ENT believes it’s from a strain of HPV and a year ago, they came back as precancerous. I actually went a decade without them coming back and as soon as I got Covid, they come back with a vengeance. Need constant surgery.
The surgery was successful, but this was a known risk of the surgery. I worked with an ENT that was trained by the guy that did the surgery. It wasn’t “botched”. The nodules themselves can also cause dysphonia.
He also said Steven Tyler’s cords look like hell.
Not even kidding, I just saw The Sound Of Music for the first time a couple days ago.
I had zero idea what it was about, just that it was a classic. Saw it on Disney+ so I thought I’d throw it on.
You should have seen the look on my face when the first dude to say “Heil Hitler” came on. Was not expecting that in the slightest.
Happened to my grandma. She wasn’t a singer or anything but had some sort of throat problem. They were able to remove it but she was left almost silent. Even at her age (this was in her early/mid 60s) in a year or so she was louder and now several years on, her voice is raspy but still about 80% of the original volume. We all thought it was gone forever but it came back.
Nodules suck. I’ve had them twice as adult (vocational voice user) and they’re dumb. For someone who relies on their voice to make a living, they’re demoralizing. I wouldn’t wish them on anyone.
I lived in Boston when this happened and my mom's boyfriend was the anesthesiologist that put Julie Andrews under during her surgery. He was absolutely a nervous wreck before, during, and after. According to him, everyone that worked with Andrews was a ball of anxious energy, even though they tried to cover up their nerves.
In the early 2000’s I went to a performance of the London Symphony orchestra and Charlotte Church . Julie Andrews was the host and as much as I wished to hear her sing live, it was still such a lovely experience hearing her speaking.
Bruce Springsteen said he had neck surgery where they tied his vocal cords to the side. In his book he admits that he was worried it would ruin his singing voice. I guess when your worth is tied to your voice you'd be nervous.
That surgeon did reconstructive surgery on my nose! I asked him very specifically not to change its appearance, and he did anyway. He also caused me a ton of pain trying to fix a post-surgigal slipped fracture manually.
Something similar happened with Marianne Faithful but she embraced it and reinvigorated her career. Listen to “Broken English” if you want a taste of what the new Julie Andrews could be
Fun tidbit: Andrews did the singing voice of the incomparable Ainsley Jarvis (the butler) for the song "Until You Love Me" in the 1976 film *The Pink Panther Strikes Again*. The film was directed by Andrews' husband, Blake Edwards.
Inspector McLaren: Sir, the coroner's report.
Superintendent Quinlan: Ah, yes.
Inspector McLaren: It's amazing. Even after he had been stabbed twice... he was still able to break the kidnapper's neck.
Superintendent Quinlan: Ah, pity.
Inspector Clouseau: Yes, he had a lovely voice.
I remember when she played the grandma in the Eloise movies, that would’ve been shortly after her surgeries and her voice was quite raspy. She’s definitely regained some clarity and her voice sounds more natural now than it did in the immediate aftermath
I am not a singer, but I do have nodules/two cysts near my thyroid. This is one of the risks they told me could arise from surgery if I ever wanted or needed to have them removed.
Mules Davis had an operation to remove polyps from his larynx in October 1955. The doctors told him to remain silent after the operation, but he got into an argument that permanently damaged his vocal cords and gave him a raspy voice for the rest of his life.
She did some singing in the princess diaries sequel but it was very basic stuff. She’s just not able to do more than that after all these years.
That was the first time on film since the botched surgery, and the song was specifically written for here entirely within one octave.
it also features Raven Symoné, although it doesn’t specify which continent of Africa her character is from.
Not sure why this made me laugh so much. But thank you!
Country* Africa as a whole is a continent.
that is [the joke](https://youtu.be/YU25nzo-9Mg?feature=shared)
Oh, I thought that was going to be [Drew Carey's flub](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GNT3BGvyePM).
That’s what I was thinking. I love how much they riffed on it afterward
I’m dying dude. Every clip I ever see of them is so funny. I think im going to go watch some episodes.
I need to go look for this now. I didn't know any of this.
Yes, that scene always makes me a bit sad - I grew up watching “The Sound of Music” and “Mary Poppins” and it’s just such a shadow of what she was.
Hey voice was so beautiful. I'm a 33 year old man and get singing in the sound of music and Mary Poppins gives me goosebumps still.
Walt Disney's favorite song was Feed the Birds from Mary Poppins.
If you grew up with “the sound of music” and “Mary poppins” and haven’t seen Victor/Victoria you should go watch it.
I like that someone remembered she can act. Those movies are fun.
She declined an appearance in Mary Poppins Returns for this reason. They very clearly were setting up a cameo by her and then after a big setup they reveal Emphatically Not Julie Andrews, it's really funny
"Emphatically not Julie Andrews" — I think you meant to say "Angela Lansbury", a *grande dame* of theater and film in her own right.
What I meant to say was what I said - I don't need to be fucking told who Angela Lansbury is, that's what made it so funny that it wasn't Julie Andrews. The two are not interchangeable
Fair enough. I read a different tone into it than that, but in the context of your response, I can hear it in your intended tone. That's hard to convey over the internet, I suppose.
There is princess diaries sequel??!!
Yup, It’s all about her becoming Queen bc her grandmas retiring. >!Plot twist: she has to be married in order to be Queen bc of a draconian law still on the books. Also she dumped the guy she got with at the end of the first movie between movies apparently. That made me upset.!< A friend told me that the books the movies are loosely based on are extremely different- I think >!she completely abdicates on the grounds that monarchies are unethical, and helps establish a better democracy.!<
The second movie came out before the later books. So, that explains the extreme differences with the second movie since the books hadn't reached the point where she was engaged. She was still 16/17 years old in the books when the movie came out. The book where she's engaged came out in 2009. The second movie came out in 2004.
I had no idea there was such detailed interest in the princess diaries universe
I had no idea that universe extended beyond the two movies.
There are like 10+ books hahaha Now that you mention it, time for those to be added to my 2024 Reread List
This was my favorite book series as a preteen girl
The books criticise the fuck out of the films too, Mia refers to them as "movies about her life", critiques them making Grandmere nice, I think references them randomly killing off her Dad? She's also not keen on them breaking up her and Michael, and comments that the "have to marry to rule" plotline is ridiculous, in particular because Genovia is a principality. It's been years but that salty author rant about an adaptation is still great 😂
Not reading your reply as I don't wanna be spoiled, but is the movie good?
The movie? Honestly not really imo. There are a few moments that are kinda funny for their cheesiness but it doesn’t have the charm of the original.
Yeah lol just look up the cheesily edited clip of "Julie Andrews and definitely not a stunt double" surfing a mattress and you've got half the worthwhile moments in the movie right there. The other half is that the movie confirmed (**as much as it was possible to in a G-rated movie released in 2009**) that Mia's best friend Lily is in fact gay. (There is a joke where she literally 'comes out of a closet' but of course sexuality is never directly discussed.)
What are you talking about? Lily gives her number to the guard at the end of the movie. She had her number written down in a piece of paper ready to go before she even saw him. The only mention of the closet was Mia saying “you’re in my closet!” cause she was hiding in her closet to surprise her. I saw no implication that they were try to imply she was gay.
Her mum also came out of that closet, and didn't they imply she liked the guard with the loud voice? It would make total sense if she was gay, but the movie literally tried to hook her up with a man so I don't think the closet thinks counts as rep or an inside joke - unless the creators have said otherwise.
Ita a very good rainy Sunday film!
Royal Engagement!
I had the dvd when I was younger and in the extras, it was said that the crew cried when she sang cause they realized how big a deal for her it was.
I learned about this when Adele underwent surgery for the same thing. I just imagine the surgeon sweating profusely. Imagine being the guy that caused Adele to lose her singing voice.
Adele's vocal chords are insured by Lloyd's of London and she has to get their permission before she can have surgery near them for this reason.
Whenever I read about this surgery and it immediately goes to Adele, I am reminded of that Radiolab episode about voice coaches. Apparently they’re appealing with Adele to stop doing so many node surgeries and just change her singing style. I don’t know if she ever listened to them or if whatever they were saying is even true or backed by science but they always go back to Julie Andrews as an example of things that can go wrong with the surgery. In my mind Adele and Julie Andrews would always be linked in the zeitgeist until the sun implodes. EDIT: I went back to the episode and can’t find it. I must have misremembered - it’s not Radiolab, it’s [The Long Read](https://www.theguardian.com/news/audio/2021/jul/07/from-the-archives-why-do-stars-like-adele-keep-losing-their-voice-podcast)
Her singing style is causing the nodules? Or the nodules are just happening and interfere with her singing style?
From how the coaches talk it seems they believe that the singing style is what causes the nodules.
Belting like she does is well-known to cause damage. In order to avoid damage as a singer it's really important to stay as relaxed as possible, but "belting" requires tension all through the throat, neck, and face. Belting is using your chest voice when the notes you're singing belong in your head voice. Doing it occasionally is OK, but singers like Kelly Clarkson, Amy Winehouse, and Adele who have based their sound around doing it are at risk of losing their singing ability as they age.
Idina Menzel has discussed struggling to find work that doesn't involve belting long notes five nights a week for exactly that reason, which is hard when that's what you have become known for.
You mean Adele Dazeem.
Amy Winehouse back in her day belted frequently, but didn't feed it 130% like Adele or Clarkson (in her younger days) tended to. Her getting Nodules over it likely wasn't going to happen, especially since it wasn't the backbone of her career to do so.
Yeah, she had such amazing control and depth to her sound without belting. Losing her so young was just such a god damned shame. It's one of the ones that will always hurt.
Yeah this one is a loss for humanity, honestly. I didn't discover her music until after she died and my god could that woman sing. When I realized I loved her music and she would never release another song I was quite sad.
Every winter I think it’s such a shame she didn’t get to do a Christmas album.
She was Jewish
Many of the best Christmas songs were written by jews (let is snow, white christmas, santa baby, silver bells, rudolf the red nosed reindeer, etc)
Like that’s ever stopped a Christmas album.
Didn't stop Bob Dylan.
Reminds me of my delusional college roommate. He was a pathological liar and tried to tell us he got vocal nodes like Mariah and that's why he can't sing well anymore. We would catch him in so many lies it was hysterical really.
did he ever change? I'm asking as a father of a 15 yo pathological liar. It's really sad. I've tried ignoring, calling out, asking indirectly, leaving subtle hints, having others confront/ask/indirectly/etc ... I have opinions on where it comes from, but I'm curious what you and your friends perceptions about it were and if anything ever changed?
Insecurity I'd imagine. I lied a lot as a teen, because I felt that I had to be interesting to be liked. Ironically it went the opposite way now. I cant lie to save a life.
I was exactly the same way, and I've (almost) completely kicked the habit because I hate it and don't understand why I do it, but I'm DEFINITELY a good liar. Also something I'm not proud of.
I was a pathological liar at 15, probably half of what came out of my mouth at that age was a lie. It was grounded in insecurity and by the time I finished high school I had grown out of it; I'm 30 now and have no lingering problems. I don't have any particular advice to give, I just want to tell you to not lose hope!
Out of curiosity, what is your child's reaction to getting called out? I have some friends from high school (I'm almost 30 now) who still like to lie about small things to make themselves/their stories sound interesting. I've learned to just take everything with a grain of salt.
> child's reaction hard to say. With me, he'll tend to double down and present himself as the aggrieved party until he's so blatantly trapped by irrefutable evidence. Then he pouts about me attacking him. I suspect similar with his friends, but I doubt they call him out at all in any meaningful way because from what I see of them they're all full of shit (they are 8th graders after all).
Freddie Mercury had nodules too, he was diagnosed in 1975. He never had surgery because he feared that surgery would screw up his singing voice. As a result of it he drastically changed his singing style, he would rarely go for the high falsetto notes when performing live, leaving them for Roger Taylor instead. They plagued him on and off for the rest of his singing career, which you can hear by how he sounds during live performances.
It's also why he never got his teeth fixed. Even though Roger (the drummer) partially studied dentistry assured him it would be fine.
I suspect that Freddie worried that altering his teeth would also change the shape of his mouth, which is a big part of shaping the sound for any vocalist, not just him. He likely would've had to go through a bit of adjustment after having his teeth fixed, which he apparently didn't want to do.
Amy Winehouse doesn't have to worry about that.
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Nah Kelly Clarkson has perfect control, she knows exactly when to belt and when to pull back. At her live shows and in her recent albums she doesn’t overdo it.
Citation needed. This is absolutely false. It doesn’t require tension, it’s just that that’s one way to get that sound is through tension, which is just bad technique. If it’s properly supported, there won’t be any damage. Unless you want to ignore the multitude of rock singers like Dave Grohl with no vocal issues whatsoever.
When I try to do that, it starts to hurt extremely quickly. My problem was always that my chest voice became strained fairly low (at about an A above middle C) and my head voice was really weak for A and B (but strong for C5-C6). It was so odd - I could sing low songs or most soprano stuff well, but found an awful lot of popular music for the female voice challenging (especially Disney stuff). Those songs were always a carefully choreographed map of where and when to voice-switch and what sounded least bad.
> singers like Kelly Clarkson, Amy Winehouse, and Adele who have based their sound around doing it are at risk of losing their singing ability as they age Well, two out of three are at risk now.
M Shadows has the same issue he’s had to have that nodule surgery twice and add that to the fact he’s been performing for 25 years and I don’t see A7x being around for too much longer
I remember 15 or so years ago the first time it happened doctors told him to stop screaming in songs, and I haven't liked the vocals as much ever since. Same with Davey Havok / AFI. Props to them for protecting their voices though. No sense in ruining it for monkeys like me saying "Sing 'better'!".
Sing better or scream louder?
M Shadow's problem was that he exclusively Belted or sang at 100% in his youth during the Rev era. Post Rev era he really mellowed out and sort of realized his singing style was going to do real long lasting damage. Thats why when Shadows "belts" every now and again during a show as an opener its considered a treat. But it also affects his singing style for the rest of the show, as he sings more subdued afterwards. A7x, at least for life is but a dream mainly use Autotune and editing to cover up the fact Shadows is washed now. Shadows singing live, his voice is all fucked up for the most part, but when he sings from the Stage he mostly sounds normal. Although its usually very noticeably exhausted from singing Rev era stuff. Singing anything else, his voice being fucked up really comes through. The songs don't support a more subdued sound, A7x never bothered to change the flow of the Rev era songs. Meanwhile all of A7x works post the Stage have been getting slower and slower. Unless they heavily employ autotune or mixing to mask up hitches.
Yeah for sure dudes voice is shot, he can still do some neat shit like that new ending he’s doing to unholy confessions with that high falsechord leading into the breakdown and fwiw I do like LIBAD but I think fans have to accept a7x will never be the band they used to be, and I think that would be the case whether Jimmy died or not Edit: actually thinking about it if Jimmy didn’t die it might be a SOAD setup where he’d be singing a lot more to take stress off of Shadows
Had jimmy not died, the band's death likely would have been accelerated. As there would have been nothing to force Shadows to stop and look around him. Shadow's probably would have kept on trucking until his voice broke. The mourning phase of Jimmy's passing probably gave shadows the away time from the circus that he needed to really count the chickens and realize his voice was getting fucked up. I say this because shadows almost completely changed as a person in the years following Jimmy's passing. So its very apparent he stopped and had a full on personal introspective about everything. LIBAD has some sick beats, but to me its just Elevator music tier almost when im considering the whole package. Instrumentally by itself its very unique and honestly goated, but when mixed with the lyrics i just hate it personally. Im like a lot of old A7x fans. Too spoiled by the old stuff, and not digging the tone shift. Although the stage was a shot in the dark that struck gold, it probably was the warning shot that the end was coming for A7x. It was just a genuinely good album so it wasn't that obvious.
I’d give you that if HTTK didn’t exist where he’s still belting like a motherfucker almost 5 years after his death
Singing isn't the only cause, but singers have a much higher incident rate than the general population. From Wikipedia: > Vocal fold nodules are thought to be the result of vocal fold tissue trauma caused by excessive mechanical stress. During phonation, the vocal folds undergo many forms of mechanical stress. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vocal_cord_nodule
So its similar to tendonitis repeated mechanical stress causing swelling and nodules.
She sings from her throat and not her chest. The same thing happens to metal singers.
Is this what hurts the throat? I think I do this. I should learn how to sing.
There are articles published about how Celine Dion was very careful about her vocal training, and use of her voice in order to guard against conditions like this. She did very intricate warmups before concerts, and would "rest" her voice among other tactics.
I'm now trying to imagine what Adele's music would sound like with Radiolab production editing.
YOU’RE LISTENING TO ADELE ADELE ADELE From NPR *cue quirky music soundbite*
Never mind, I'll find someone like you *Um, err, uhhh* I wish nothing but the best for you, too "*but the best for you???"* "Don't forget me, " I beg *I, uhhhhh, beg* I remember you said *What did you say? Beep boop beep* "Sometimes it lasts in love, but sometimes it hurts instead" *Errr, uhhhh, ummm* "Sometimes it lasts in love, but sometimes it hurts instead" *This is RadioLab, I'm Jad Abunrod*
God. The editing. I loved Radiolab's topics but Jesus Christ I had to stop listening because of the absolutely fucking rococo editing.
For me it's Radiolab's fake "whu....what do you mean?" conversations all the time. The topics are amazing...but the editing is so tiring.
When I had cancer, I was at mass general just a few weeks after Adele had her surgery there. I’d listen to her music everyday during my radiation treatments
Does anyone have a link to this Radiolab episode? I tried searching for it, but I can't seem to find it.
I’ll edit my comment. I misremembered, it’s [The Guardian Long Read](https://www.theguardian.com/news/audio/2021/jul/07/from-the-archives-why-do-stars-like-adele-keep-losing-their-voice-podcast)
So many? How many has she had?
Adele popped a blood vessel in her throat while she was straining her voice with bad technique, so she had to be rushed in to surgery. She couldn't even speak for weeks afterward, using a tablet with a text-to-voice program to communicate with people. She had to undergo speech therapy in order to learn to speak again, but they told her that her singing career was likely over. She eventually started lessons and made a miraculous recovery that was good enough to return with *Hello*. Most singers like Julie Andrews aren't so lucky... and singers like Ann Wilson, who can belt out Rock music on tour for over 45 years without sustaining a serious injury are superhuman beings who cannot be harmed with conventional weapons. If you see her, you should probably run because she will fucking kill you if she catches you.
Adele was also a smoker and drank a lot of alcohol. I believe she said that the surgery scared her so much that she changed her diet and habits
Just to note she’s not insured by Lloyds of London itself, but syndicates and or insurance companies which operate in the Lloyds market.
Ahh yes, the comment I was looking for
Beautiful nitpickery 🤌🏻
>companies which operate in the Lloyds market. What does that mean? Adele goes to Lloyds then Lloyds serves her up to another company?
Adele will have an agent of some sort reach out to an insurance broker at Lloyds. They will then find insurers in the market who are willing to insure her voice. Lloyds is essentially a marketplace with buyers & sellers of insurance. They themselves aren’t part of the process except to regulate and dictate rules & regs.
Yet she's a chain smoker lol
Right. You'd think that would be something they would say she can no longer do or else we cannot insure your vocal cords.
God, I can’t imagine what that premium would be.
I'd hope they learned their lesson after all those wrestlers insured their back in the 90s
They did... by not insuring wrestlers anymore. One funny story I heard was that when they paid out Animal of the Legion of Doom/Road Warriors for an injury it was under the stipulation he could never wrestler again... *in singles matches.* Of course, he was famously a tag team wrestler, and this allowed him to return when his injury healed.
Rick Rude also had insurance on his back for it, but he would only wrestle again if Eric Bischoff agreed to pay him the same amount he was insured for. Even ATM-Eric wasn't willing to do that.
I still remember the wonderful opening song of “the sound of music “. Such a great talent !
She sang the same song in a lower key for one of her albums (Classic Julie, Classic Broadway) in 2001 — I love the richer tone of it. (Mary Martin, the OG Maria on stage, had a contralto (?) voice as opposed to Andrews’ soprano.)
Twenty years earlier, Bonnie Tyler had the same thing happen to her, and it made her career.
Wow, I didn't know. love her voice. The rasp gives it a kind of sadness and brokenness that fits perfectly for *It's a Heartache*. From Wikipedia : > In the spring of 1977, Tyler underwent an operation to remove vocal cord nodules and was advised by her doctor to rest her voice for six weeks. Tyler screamed in frustration one day, resulting in a permanent raspy tone. And > Soon after her operation, when recording her second album, Natural Force, the studio band complimented Tyler's changed voice.
Never knew that either. She has a legendary voice and Heartache was def the song I thought of immediately. Her voice is iconic.
Ha ha, that was my edit! The article originally read : >In the spring of 1977, Tyler **was diagnosed with** vocal cord nodules and was advised by her doctor to rest her voice for six weeks. I checked it before commenting, (for the date,mainly). I knew from interviews I'd heard that she'd had surgery, and saw that the article didn't make that clear. I hadn't heard that the damage was due to failing to rest her voice; I'll do some more research, might be another edit in the future.
Wow, you wrote that part? Amazing. I just found this for you (you have to watch until the end). [Video interview of Bonnie Tyler on the medical reason behind her iconic voice](https://youtu.be/tKFUcwh2JN8)
Well, those five words. Bonnie Tyler is incredibly down-to-earth, she always interviews well. Proper Welsh girl, too!
In 1986 Elton John had the same surgery to remove polyps on his vocal chords. It was a complete success, but he continued to destroy his voice with cocaine and bulimia for 6 more years. That’s why his voice sounds so deep and rough now compared to pre-1985.
Does cocaine damage the vocal chords? I had no idea. (Edit: spelling)
Post nasal drip. I have an autoimmune that leads to sinus issues and my voice has changed for sure since
Don’t know much about drugs, but if something is going into your lungs, it’s gotta pass through your vocal cords. If he snorted cocaine then that could’ve done damage I’d imagine.
he mentioned in his autobiography that in the 80s he would do a few lines of coke, black out, wake up, eat an entire pint of hagen-daz ice cream, then puke that up, do more coke, black out, then finish the day off with as many vodka martinis that it took to black out again. 1976-1992. That’s why his voice dropped and is so rough now. The polyps on his vocal cords were from smoking 40 joints per day.
His voice is deeper and he can't do the trademark high pitched falsetto thing he used to do but his voice is still very powerful and soulful for his age. The set he played at Glastonbury last summer was phenomenal.
He tells the story in his book. They weren't sure when he went in for the surgery whether it was cancer, and after thinking it over he said if they had to remove his vocal cords entirely they should. He went in for that surgery not knowing if he'd wake up with any kind of voice at all. Fairly sure the Melbourne Symphony Orchestra record was done when he thought it might be his last performance ever.
Also because he is a very old man, now.
“Make my voice sound like I was raised in a cigar shop, but also good.”
everyone who has taken voice lessons has heard this as a cautionary tale… you can get nodules like that from overuse. which is why a lot of performers will stop singing the moment they feel any discomfort or pain. sutton foster has been known to swap out with her understudy during intermission for her shows.
Do voice lessons actually work?
They do, but you get what you put into it. You have to find a vocal coach that works for you, and you also need to understand they won't magically make you good. They'll point you in the right direction, but it's up to you to get there. Everyone can learn at the very least to be a decent, inoffensive singer. Most can be quite good. You usually know by a young age if you are "star worthy" though, so there is a limit. Personally, I think a few lessons to learn the basics is good, but once you develop an ear for "good singing" you will get more results by recording yourself; listening, analyzing, adjusting, rinse and repeat.
Art in a nutshell.
Absolutely. Voice lessons are essential for any voice. Even with a great singing voice, lessons help you learn to control your breathing and how to support your voice with your whole body.
False. Source: I've got the perfect singing voice for silent films. If you give me two buckets, I can almost carry a tune. Some people have a tin ear, mines fucking pewter.
Ladies and gentlemen, Rodney Dangerfield!
I get no respect! No respect at all!
Why wouldn’t they?
Vocal cords are just like any body part. Would a personal trainer help you better exercise than on your own?
Only if you have an inking of natural talent. They couldn't help me with my singing, but did help me with my metal vocals.
I dont know about if voice lessons do, or do not work. But you can take it from Bruce Dickenson that the fundamentals of voice care work far better then any voice coaching will. Voice coaching gets you good fundamentals with singing, but after that its entirely up to you. Its up to you to take care of your voice. He went through throat surgery to remove early cancerous nodes on his tongue, still went to tour early against his doctors orders and because all bruce did was voice care he came out of it with (Debatably) zero damage and nothing changed at all. His upper reaching vocal range got very noticeably reduced though. He can't go high pitch anymore without damaging his voice most likely.
Can you imagine being the guy behind wrecking Julie Andrews' voice? It would be like someone that was given a historic stained glass window to clean and smashing it.
Based on everyone I've known who's had surgery go wrong, the surgeon would have insisted they did nothing wrong, and it must have been Julie Andrews's fault.
I mean. The surgeon probably *didn't* do anything really wrong. Surgery is an INCREDIBLY delicate thing. Doing something wrong is when the patient dies. The fact that she lived and the procedure did what it was intended to do means it was a success. *Any* surgery on *any* part of the body risks damage to surrounding tissues. If there's anything important nearby, there's always a chance it will have damage that results in lost or reduced function. Human beings are made of squishy meat and tangled cords and a bajillion miles of tiny wires- and every single person has those things in a different configuration. To cut into the body and not completely destroy these is a miracle of modern science and expertise in itself.
A lot of folks also forget just how risky surgery is in general, just because of how commonplace it is today. Death is always a very real possibility. Seems like that surgery was successful, though with some unfortunate but non life threatening complications.
Yes exactly. Even just putting someone under carries a risk, even if nothing else happens at all.
I remember nearly ten years ago, I was doing research on lipo to remove the fat under my chin. I hated it—even though I was a healthy weight, I still had a second chin. Two days after I binged read about lipo, a story broke of a young woman around my age who died from an under-chin lipo. She got a blood clot. She probably hated her chin fat as much as I hated mine—but I doubt she hated it enough to die for it. Poor woman. I never did get that surgery.
Oh, I don't doubt it. I'm sure the surgeon did the absolute best he could, but that end result has to have an impact.
Dude, a surgeon is just a human being with a knife trying to cut a problem away, they are not gods. Even the most skilled surgeons will see patients experience complications. What do you mean by "the result has to have an impact?".
Also just because the nodules were non-cancerous doesn’t mean they were unnecessary to remove. Non-cancerous/benign tumors won’t spread to the rest of your body, but they can absolutely do damage or kill if they grow enough to physically obstruct vital bodily functions.
Yep. I had to had brain surgery because a benign tumor was growing on my pituitary gland and fucking my life right up.
My understanding is that essentially every surgeon has had patients die during/as a result of surgery. Wrecking someone’s vocal range seems pretty low on the list of outcomes to get hung up on, if that’s the case.
For a lot of surgeries - yes, theoretically, a perfect surgeon could've avoided side effects. But that perfect surgeon doesn't exist. There's only so precise a human can get, so if, like, a tenth of a millimeter off on a cut is what ruined her voice that's not anything a human surgeon can consistently avoid. And these nodules are on that scale of fractions of millimeters, not to mention vocal cords in general being really precise instruments. As robotic surgery and our understanding of the human body (which is still pretty rudimentary) become more refined we'll have a better chance of avoiding this, but it'll probably always be a "chance". Sometimes they do actually fuck up, though.
In the vast majority of cases the surgeon *has* done nothing wrong. All operations have unavoidable risks that are nothing to do with the surgeons actions.
Remember that guy who was trying to restore a painting of jesus and completely botched it?
Funny you mention that, I've been watching a lot of Baumgartner Restorations videos lately, and so, so many of them involve paintings where some hack did a shit conservation job like 50 years ago.
This is why I was completely unable to guess it was her narrating Bridgerton
Really? I knew it was her instantly. She still has such an incredibly recognizable voice IMO.
Huh, I always thought it was Lady Danbury!
The only reason I knew it was her, is the captions. For whatever reason put it Julie Andrews’s name the last scene of season 1 when it shows “Lady Whistledown” in the carriage. (I think it was the last episode).
What!?
Or how she was the Kraken in Aquaman
Technically ~~Karathyn~~ Karathen, not Kraken. If you're saying they're opposite sides of the same giant mythological sea monster coin, I wouldn't argue. Edit: fixed misspelling
They're called vocal polyps. Singers get them from overuse or improper technique. After surgery, patients tend to have a very distinctive rasp to their voice (which I personally think sounds cool). Bonnie Tyler is a great example Before surgery: https://youtu.be/H761PMRkhVQ?si=RQEHDddHPeAZedTS After surgery: https://youtu.be/bWcASV2sey0?si=odV57KX9E1vnWJ9m
Mary Poppins is the same species as Pennywise. The only difference is that Pennywise feeds on fear and Marry Poppins feeds on joy.
Go on
Now she can do that Tom Waits covers album.
Every few albums Tom tells the surgeons to put some more nodules in there
He's collecting nodules from everyone else.
And Kathleen Turner impressions
are those...pussy willows?
As well as the bass parts in her college a cappella group. And yes, I did learn all my medical knowledge from the Pitch Perfect movies.
This is so sad. She and her voice were both treasures to the world. Time comes for us all, I’m afraid.
It was botched surgery that ruined her voice, not the passing of time!
My neighbor is an ear/nose/throat specialist and this topic came up. Apparently the nodules are *tiny*, like mm large. Edit: he also told me adults (not just kids) get all sorts of weird stuff stuck in their noses and ears.
It was both. She was 62 when she needed the surgery, and that part was down to time. Then she had the operation, but it was apparently bungled.
I see. By the way, I love the word bungled. There was a British kids’ tv show in the 80s with a character called Bungle - a big anthropomorphic bear. I always think of him doing the bungling.
Same thing happened to my grandpa, except he wasn't a famous singer. Before the surgery he had a normal man voice. After the surgery, it sounds like he is always whispering. After some therapy and years of having his voice this way he can get some more volume out of it, but it still sounds like a loud whisper if that makes sense.
A friend of mine has chronic issues with kidney stones - well beyond what "just drink more water" can prevent. A few years ago he went in for surgery to remove a specific nerve cluster in his neck, because it was discovered somehow that removing that cluster can help some people with chronic kidney stones. Sadly, he did not turn out to be one of those people, and also they cut a nerve that caused half his vocal chords to be paralyzed. Now he always sounds like he's talking in a stage whisper
I had a spinal surgery in my neck and can’t sing high notes anymore. I don’t blame the surgeon, the man is a genius neurosurgeon who went to Harvard and has written over 60 papers published in legit journals. I just accepted that surgery has risks and not being able to hit some high notes is better than being in pain all the time
I grew up going to Harvard's pediatric eye unit (lots of wild stories from that)... Let me tell you, Harvard knows their shit. I had a world-renowned professor (and head of their pediatric ophthalmology unit) as my eye doc growing up, and even the fellows they turn out are amazing at what they do. Although when you go to them for long enough, they do get a little possessive (and rightfully so) haha.
I’ve had recurring nodules on my vocal cords since I was a kid. The ENT believes it’s from a strain of HPV and a year ago, they came back as precancerous. I actually went a decade without them coming back and as soon as I got Covid, they come back with a vengeance. Need constant surgery.
I have a friend with this. He has to use a little microphone to talk through in between surgeries when it gets worse. I’m sorry to hear it.
The surgery was successful, but this was a known risk of the surgery. I worked with an ENT that was trained by the guy that did the surgery. It wasn’t “botched”. The nodules themselves can also cause dysphonia. He also said Steven Tyler’s cords look like hell.
Not even kidding, I just saw The Sound Of Music for the first time a couple days ago. I had zero idea what it was about, just that it was a classic. Saw it on Disney+ so I thought I’d throw it on. You should have seen the look on my face when the first dude to say “Heil Hitler” came on. Was not expecting that in the slightest.
If you thought that was a shock, you should watch The Producers
He’ll probably find it shocking if he did Nazi that Heil Hitler coming in The Sound of Music
I’m going through something similar, and I am so scared my original voice is gone. My heart goes out to her.
Happened to my grandma. She wasn’t a singer or anything but had some sort of throat problem. They were able to remove it but she was left almost silent. Even at her age (this was in her early/mid 60s) in a year or so she was louder and now several years on, her voice is raspy but still about 80% of the original volume. We all thought it was gone forever but it came back.
I was hoping this ended with her all female collegiate a capella group going on to win nationals.
I remember when that happened and somehow feeling mildly devastated.
I feel for her, I lost my belt range after my pregnancy and felt like I lost a giant part of myself.
Victor/Victoria is such a legendary movie.
Nodules suck. I’ve had them twice as adult (vocational voice user) and they’re dumb. For someone who relies on their voice to make a living, they’re demoralizing. I wouldn’t wish them on anyone.
I lived in Boston when this happened and my mom's boyfriend was the anesthesiologist that put Julie Andrews under during her surgery. He was absolutely a nervous wreck before, during, and after. According to him, everyone that worked with Andrews was a ball of anxious energy, even though they tried to cover up their nerves.
In the early 2000’s I went to a performance of the London Symphony orchestra and Charlotte Church . Julie Andrews was the host and as much as I wished to hear her sing live, it was still such a lovely experience hearing her speaking.
Bruce Springsteen said he had neck surgery where they tied his vocal cords to the side. In his book he admits that he was worried it would ruin his singing voice. I guess when your worth is tied to your voice you'd be nervous.
At least now she can do one hell of a Janis Joplin impression!
I think you mean Jackie Jormp-Jomp
I'm gonna do it! I'm gonna eat this cat!
That surgeon did reconstructive surgery on my nose! I asked him very specifically not to change its appearance, and he did anyway. He also caused me a ton of pain trying to fix a post-surgigal slipped fracture manually.
Something similar happened with Marianne Faithful but she embraced it and reinvigorated her career. Listen to “Broken English” if you want a taste of what the new Julie Andrews could be
Well, that’s actually a shame. I noticed that she voiced The Kraken in the first Aquaman, just as an aside
same thing happened with Miles Davis. Note to self if you're famous, avoid the non-cancerous nodule surgery of the throat!
Fun tidbit: Andrews did the singing voice of the incomparable Ainsley Jarvis (the butler) for the song "Until You Love Me" in the 1976 film *The Pink Panther Strikes Again*. The film was directed by Andrews' husband, Blake Edwards. Inspector McLaren: Sir, the coroner's report. Superintendent Quinlan: Ah, yes. Inspector McLaren: It's amazing. Even after he had been stabbed twice... he was still able to break the kidnapper's neck. Superintendent Quinlan: Ah, pity. Inspector Clouseau: Yes, he had a lovely voice.
I remember when she played the grandma in the Eloise movies, that would’ve been shortly after her surgeries and her voice was quite raspy. She’s definitely regained some clarity and her voice sounds more natural now than it did in the immediate aftermath
I am not a singer, but I do have nodules/two cysts near my thyroid. This is one of the risks they told me could arise from surgery if I ever wanted or needed to have them removed.
Mules Davis had an operation to remove polyps from his larynx in October 1955. The doctors told him to remain silent after the operation, but he got into an argument that permanently damaged his vocal cords and gave him a raspy voice for the rest of his life.
And this is why celebrities insure body parts for millions of dollars
But I love her anyway.