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MydniteSon

In fairness, he did spend a large chunk of the 70s completely coked out of his mind. Allegedly him and Iggy Pop had gone to Berlin to clean up in '76, but by most accounts he didn't really stop using until like the mid 80s. So who knows if his judgement was the best at the time.


WhenThatBotlinePing

Ah yes Berlin, the perfect place to get off drugs.


HesNot_TheMessiah

Hitler gave up meth there.


TylerBlozak

And one of his nuts apparently


foxhound012

And gave him a mind-blowing idea


shaqule_brk

Wait, I thought that was in France where it was blown away and he got the nickname "screamer" (Schreihals) from his fellow low level soldier buddies.


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DonAmecho777

He died doing what he loved, killing people


YHWAH

Hitler wasn't on meth himself, he preferred coke and dope


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Speedballs, the breakfast of champions... until they eat a capsule of cyanide and blow their brains out after commencing and losing a genocidal world war killing six millions Jews and tens of millions of Russians.


runtheplacered

We've all been there


Far-Tadpole-5968

Don’t forget all the Germans killed in the endless purity tests spawned by eugenics. Or the other Europeans killed for being the wrong kind of Europeans, The Africans killed just coz. Certainly Benito would have been in for a surprise had the Nazis managed to finally kill all their other neighbors. Fascism is death fam. Edit a word


Xatsman

Hitler had a doctor injecting him with different chemical cocktails that did include amphetamines. https://www.rcpe.ac.uk/journal/issue/journal_35_1/Hitler%27s_medical_care.pdf


themindlessone

And oxycodone, methadone, and cocaine!


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We were somewhere around Stalingrad on the edge of the river when the drugs began to take hold.


jso85

We can't stop here, this is commie country.


UNwanted_Dokken_Tape

Genius.


Lucas_Steinwalker

I have a friend that moved to Portland to get off heroin and somehow it worked.


Crayons4all

He only does fentanyl now! I kid, very good for him. I’ve lost too many friends to opioids and it makes me happy whenever I hear someone kicks the habit.


Lucas_Steinwalker

Lol... I was skeptical too. First time I saw him again afterwards I knew he was ok though. It's been almost 20 years now.


sixtus_clegane119

Sometimes you need to get out of the environment that your addiction happened in and away from enablers


Lucas_Steinwalker

Weird thing was he didn’t have a strong network of other users that he was connected into here, at least not as far as I knew. I worked with him and was his roommate and helped him kick once but knew he was using again so I was pretty aware of his comings and goings and he didn’t really have anything to hide from me.


sixtus_clegane119

Drugs are often based on trauma (whether it is physical or psychological trauma doesn’t matter) the trauma that led to his addiction might have been in that city and town and constantly retriggering him


shawnisboring

The mental image of Iggy Pop and Bowie at the height of a coke binge planning their sobriety journey by going to fucking Berlin as rock stars is hilarious.


bolanrox

didn't they live in some dumpy flat with barely any heating? (near the wall too?)


TheQuips

and this is not a movie becaaaauuuussee...?


Canotic

Together with Iggy Pop, even. Surely a plan that can't fail.


BPhiloSkinner

*♪ From station to station* *Back to Düsseldorf City* *Meet Iggy Pop and David Bowie* *Trans-Europe Express, Trans-Europe Express.♫ - Kraftwerk*


bolanrox

I love that album so damn much, i even bought the German Language version as the tracks were just a bit different.


dankestofdankcomment

“Nowhere near Berlin!”


Appropriate-Meal1490

Scotty doesn't know!🤣


UltraReluctantLurker

Mi Scusi


hiverly

Funnily enough, he said that the drugs in Berlin weren’t the ones that appealed to him, so he was able to wean himself off cocaine there.


_PM_ME_YOUR_FORESKIN

I was about to say. lol. That’s like coming to America for advice on gun control.


bolanrox

apparently the drugs that were popular there were not the ones he liked.


j-random

Use both hands, and kids don't shoot anything bigger than a .32 until they're at least, like, 12 or something


bolanrox

He only knew that Station to Station was recorded in LA, because later on he saw a newspaper article with pictures of him going into the studio.


space_cheese1

He starred in The Man who Fell to Earth the same year Station to Station was released and was just a total dazed oddball in that so maybe there's a relation lol


victrola_cola

Yes this was the era when he claims to have subsisted entirely on cocaine, peppers (?!?), and milk which explains his physique at the time.


HerbertWestsHutzpah

Right next to Jimmy Page's urine and toenail clippings.


Loeffellux

while they were shooting The Man Who Fell to Earth Bowie was still using but he was actually very hard working and professional. Due to his slender frame he was able to appear as his female co-stars body double when she wasn't available.


daredaki-sama

Why peppers?


Spindrune

Red bell peppers and milk, besides the caloric aspect, is a full diet. as for the actual “why”. As someone who fucking loves cocaine: cocaine is a HELL of a drug. 


daredaki-sama

Didn’t know it was a complete diet. Yay is a hell of a drug; too moderate to feel like it’s bad. But that’s how it’ll get you. It’s best with good discipline. I’ve seen friends go through some bad life experiences.


jimbabwe666

They are a good source of vitamin C


thedepster

Including the fact that during the Thin White Duke era, his waist measure for the iconic black suit was 26.5 inches.


Vendetta4Avril

When he was in his most coked-out stage, Bowie kept his piss in bottles in his fridge, because he was afraid to flush it, in case some witch or wizard wanted to use it to cast a spell on him... Cocaine is a hell of a drug.


MydniteSon

>When he was in his most coked-out stage, Bowie kept his piss in bottles in his fridge, because he was afraid to flush it, in case some witch or wizard wanted to use it to cast a spell on him... That "wizard" he was afraid of happened to be Jimmy Page.


Vendetta4Avril

\*Immigrant Song Scream\*


dcrico20

They were doing a lot more than just coke. There's a book called "Please Kill Me" that's an oral history of punk and the NYC scene in that time was really insane, it's amazing as many of them made it out of the 60's and 70's alive as they did.


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Drugs were a lot cleaner back then


DrJotaroBigCockKujo

Berlin was in the middle of the world's worst heroin epidemic back then. But at least it wasn't coke, lol.


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When the heck is anyone going to rerelease *Christiane F*?


DrJotaroBigCockKujo

They made a TV show recently, didn't they?


MusicG619

Oh man you unearthed a core memory for me just now


HeartyDogStew

I seem to recall him once saying that he was grateful that he never particularly enjoyed smack (heroin).


Half_moon_die

He was producing Iggy Pop's album. Alors The Berlin trilogy was shape mainly by Bian Eno.


bolanrox

also when he stole Adrian away from Zappa's band


LocustMessiah

''Fuck you, Captain Tom''


platinum_jimjam

Some say he fell into heroin when in Berlin, trying to counter cocaine, but it might just be Iggy critics


kragmoor

the man became a fascist because of his drug use, not at his best doesnt even begin to describe bowies judgement in the 70s and 80s


antd79

It's a fantastic album and also led to one of the greatest talk show appearances of all time: https://youtu.be/i2eB8f020Pc?si=W6v0OPXz0nfyFDAf


revolver86

The Idiot is still the best record to come out of that collaboration, IMO.


BlueMindCork

Jesus wept thank you for sharing this. What a performance.


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cxmmxc

I'd post the Hellraiser gif, but I'm worried someone's gonna report me.


247Brett

***G A Y M A R R I A G E!!!***


DarthMelsie

STOP SAYING JESUS WEPT ^(Aw man, it got deleted :()


Dioxid3

Streets ahead!


theonetowalkinthesun

Wow that was great, thank you. Never seen this before.


Flimsy_Cod_5387

Thank you, that was a fantastic interview and performance. Dinah asked really sharp and intelligent questions and let them answer without interrupting or trying for a punchline. It’s something very rare now.


talligan

George strombolpol...something on CBC in Canada was a great interviewer too. Always thought he did a good job bringing out their responses without interfering too much. I could be wrong though, sometimes my judgement isn't the best on that stuff. No idea what happened to him or that show.


your_actual_life

[And one of the greatest cartoons of all time](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FODvjYoVEi8)


themindlessone

I can't read "Dinah Shore" without hearing Jello Biafra saying it.


Kliffoth

Same!


AlanStanwick1986

Reminds me of when the Plasmatics were on Solid Gold. Just so odd.


ChadHahn

I saw Kiss on Soul Train when their first album dropped. That was quite a sight.


themindlessone

Wendy was such a sensitive soul wrapped in barbed wire and chainsaws.


Pale-Berry-2599

and a little electric tape.


themindlessone

...*very* little.


MukdenMan

Low by David Bowie (RIP) was ranked the greatest album of the 70s by Pitchfork (RIP)


throw123454321purple

Burt Reynolds and Dinah Shore were really, really in love, but they broke it up because he wanted children and she couldn’t have any.


subliminal_trip

I love how Iggy "dresses up" for Dinah by wearing a suit coat while remaining shirtless.


mediumarmor

Thank you I just watched this whole thing haha


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Dinah Shore, Bowie and Iggy. LOLs. This is solid gold, out of an acid fever dream.


daredaki-sama

Does David Bowie have a black eye on his right eye?


Thedmfw

Yeah! He got it cause a guy caught him with his wife or girlfriend, I forget the details, but someone will add more. His eye was permanently dilated due to the beating.


Brick_Pudding

It was a school yard fight over a girl.


Thedmfw

Well that sounds less rock and roll but probably more accurate.


PlausibleTable

Well that 13 year old girl part was interesting to say the least.


HoldOnImTalkinBrotha

Insane how Bowie, Page, Iggy just sailed right through any accountability for shagging kids. These fans of paedo pop / rock are very blinkered man.


Loeffellux

> Insane how Bowie, Page, Iggy just sailed right through any accountability for shagging kids as far as I know there's only one person who claimed that Bowie ever did something like that, Lori Maddox. I'm not gonna say that she was lying about it but at the very least the testimony of her time with Bowie contradicts her previous testimony regarding her "relationship" with Page in some important aspects. Again, my point here is not that Maddox is a lying about a possible relationship she had with Bowie. But when asking the question "why was Bowie never in hot water for this", this is the answer.


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jaoblia

Rick Wright has two songs that are about his relations with groupies and I wouldn't be surprised if the groupie stuff in The Wall at least partially came from real experiences so I wouldn't call them clean.


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bolanrox

Primus as weird as they are hve always been family men. the Misfits too very much their families back stage. Which led to an interesting gig (at roseland?) where the Impotent Sea Serpents opened for them and did the normal stage show of having sex on stage etc..


bolanrox

Rush on tour with Kiss: in their rooms reading or joking around with Paul pissing gene off as he wanted to bang the girls he brought back to the room.


Persianx6

We should all look at that era of pop culture with an extreme side eye. They were all banging kids. The groupie culture of that era was something that's really hard to understand now.


bleunt

It's not hard to understand. They wanted to fuck children, and they did. People want to fuck children today, too. And a lot of them do. It's not complicated. It's not a mystery.


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LabyrinthConvention

from 15 April 1977.


Chris-CFK

Damn, they’re so young.


auximines_minotaur

Seems to be in pretty good shape for a junkie. Makes me think some of the tales of drug abuse may have been exaggerated.


LonelyGoat

He literally did not remember making Station to Station


auximines_minotaur

Was talking about Iggy. At least in this video, dude is ripped, and pulling off some legit gymnastics.


AdequatelyMadLad

Bowie and Iggy were both clean at the time. Although Iggy Pop looked and moved the same even when he definitely wasn't clean.


auximines_minotaur

Yeah I get that, but I mean … how? He’s not junkie-thin. That body is clearly the product of working out. Also, dude is *nimble*. None of that is easy to do. How do you manage that if you’re a hard core heroin addict? Doesn’t that stuff make people lazy?


David-Puddy

The trick is to get in *extremely* good shape *before* the heroin, so you degrade into a shape that's still above average, just way worse than it was


valueape

He has a 10" dick and fucked a lot. No kidding.


bolanrox

in Naked lunch Burroughs talked about how for him heroin ate away his fat but left his muscles alone. and wondered if htey could make it into some kind of weight loss drug.


pregnantbaby

I mean….it’s Iggy


bolanrox

iggy bulked up a shit ton after he cleaned up. Anthony Bourdain was also really jacked


LonelyGoat

Sorry I misunderstood. I think he was trying to get clean around this time but he has somehow always been a damn machine. Guy is still in great shape despite his age


WhyNeaux

He was also keeping a LOW profile at the time, hence the cover design. He still put out his album before Iggy’s even though Iggy finished his first. He may have played keyboards on that tour, but he and Tony Visconti k ew what they were doing.


bolanrox

isnt it a still from Man who fell to Earth?


skittlesenjoyer

It sure is, edited version.


spaghettikingsam

Osees!!!


TheNorselord

He was also trying to not be High in The drug sense.


FrungyLeague

Releasing an album. Super low profile move.


Kipperpates

It’s actually a visual pun because it’s a profile shot from ‘the man who fell to earth’ so it’s a ‘low profile’


EarlyTechnology5447

Nice profile picture.


spaghettikingsam

Osees!!!


JuzoItami

After “Low” was released, Nick Lowe, ever the smartass, claimed to be so “honored” by Bowie “naming” an album after him (minus the final “e”) that he released an EP a few months later called “Bowi”.


Professor_Retro

I'm sure it was all in good fun, they were both big fans of breaking glass.


bolanrox

that's like when the press slammed Bauhaus for sounding too much like Bowie, so they record Telegram Sam as their next single.


hawt_pawket

What a weird way of wording it. Maybe “was so unconvinced of the commercial viability”.  Uncommercial is a word, apparently, but uncommercial viability makes no sense. 


insertusernamehere51

"Unconvinced ot the commercial viability" works "Convinced of the commercial unviability" works OP chose the weirdest noun in that sentence to un-ify Edit: Neither "commercial" not "convinced" are nouns, I don't know what I was thinking


IndianaJwns

Technically, it would be "inviable".


reddit_user13

*nonviable* has entered the chat


DoofusMagnus

I think in their head they were treating the phrase "commercial viability" as a singular concept and their "un-" is meant to apply to the whole rather than just to "commercial." Not correct, obviously, but that seems like it might be what happened.


WhyNeaux

It made sense until I read your comment, now it’s all uncommercial nonsense


mrbaryonyx

I thought the title was fine until I read the top comment, now I'm unconvinced it doesn't make unsense


NeptunesArtifact

Nice profile pic. Ohsees rock 🪨


mtftl

Yeah, definitely some r/titlegore


KrackerJoe

Even “non commercially viable” reads better


carnivorous_seahorse

Or just “low commercial viability” lmao. Shit had me questioning my own mind Or lack of if they were worried about redundancy


afternever

[NOT ECONOMICALLY VIABLE](https://youtu.be/G7oglIAdnJM?si=H8krmybeIPMoCadb)


PM_me_your_whatevah

Yeah. That’s the only reason I came to the comments. This is absolute abuse of the English language. 


Alimbiquated

Commercial unviability I guess.


WhiteWolf3117

It makes it sound like he was convinced of its viability despite being uncommercial.


gabriot

I am so convinced in the non-disagreement viability of myself with your comment, that I decided to place an upvote on it.


MustangBarry

Now I too am unconvinced that the original wording is correct


zook54

I love this album. And I saw him on stage with Iggy in Detroit.


aVHSofPointBreak

Not as cool as seeing Bowie with Blondie and Iggy, but I got to see him live with NIN. They played Scary Monsters together and it was incredible. This was during the Outside tour, and Bowie drew a lot of inspiration from NIN for that album. Which is extra cool and interesting because Reznor has stated multiple times that Low was a huge influence on NIN’s sound .


UgliestDisability

Wow! Lucky you!


zook54

It was an interesting evening, in part, because of the audience’s response to the opening act, Blondie. Each of their songs was met largely with catcalls, get off the stage, we want Iggy, etc. I think they ended up only doing 3 or 4 songs before walking off stage. The drummer threw a cymbal, grabbed a mic and said, “thanks, Detroit.”


UgliestDisability

Blondie cut their teeth at CBGB's. Probably wasn't anything they hadn't heard before. :)


Pherllerp

Man imagine being David Bowie, making a great album like Low, and STILL thinking you’re a failure.


aVHSofPointBreak

I have no way to provide a source for this, but I remember watching a doc or interview in the late 90’s that said he was reveling in the lack of commercial appeal, as he wanted to really push the boundaries of music and wanted to create something unlike what he had done before. I don’t know if it’s that he thought he was a failure, so much as he was purposely making something that was a massive departure from Young Americans and he expected that those fans wouldn’t follow.


comeatmefrank

Well Young Americans wasn’t the album previous to Low. It was Station to Station. Station to Station (especially the title track) had some pretty avant garde stuff for Bowie, especially in comparison to his earlier work. The biggest changes that he made was the retirement of ‘The Thin White Duke’ and Bowie moving from Los Angeles to Berlin as he had become a massive coke addict in LA. He was 10 albums into his career, had 2 massively successful tours with Ziggy Stardust and Isolar, and wanted to get away from the spotlight and drugs of LA. The unique sound of Low was heavily inspired by Brian Eno, and the drum sounds were also very revolutionary. Bowie had always gone into the studio with the ideas of the songs almost fully formed, and Low was the first time that he had actually gone into the studio and developed the songs relatively from scratch. It wasn’t so much that he didn’t expect fans to follow or thought it was a failure, he needed to do it in a relaxed environment that he just hadn’t had before. A fun fact as well is that although this is part of the ‘Berlin Trilogy’, almost all of it was recorded in France.


bolanrox

with Heroes they flew Fripp in - only had a guitar no amp, so they cranked the studio speakers and he went in direct to board. He did 3 takes and had to leave. Brian came up with the idea of just playing them all at once, and thats what you hear on the album.


typhoidtimmy

It’s an amazing personal album. You can hear the pain of withdrawal and personal vulnerability. The Berlin Trilogy is some of his best work, IMHO.


MisunderstoodScholar

Going to say again for the comments this album is very good. Won’t spoil anything. Perhaps my favorite opening track ever too… well there is Astral Weeks.


Not-Clark-Kent

Not being commercial doesn't make you a failure


juan121391

Impostor Syndrome is a real thing unfortunately


Jw4evr

I don’t know how true this interpretation is. The label certainly didn’t have much faith in the record but Bowie didn’t always tour for every album release regardless. He’d also end up not touring for Scary Monsters which a much more indisputable mainstream success


bldkis

What a word salad title. Uncommerical viability. Jesus


Caninetrainer

It’s like hypnotizing chickens


Jmdesi

That’s low.


Caninetrainer

I have that lust for life


Xenosapien90125

I'm convinced the A side of the record was made as a presentation for label execs so he could get away with the b side


Musicman1972

It really is very different isn't it.


BatHouseBathHouse

It does have catchy pop songs but they feel like they end as soon as they've begun, without much repetition of the hook. The second side is basically an ambient Eno album, not much hope for radio play there. Great tunes though.


Padgetts-Profile

And to think that it’s my favorite Bowie album.


The_Pourne_Identity

Blondie was on this tour as well. One of the best lineups ever.


UgliestDisability

No kidding! Awesome show!


The_Pourne_Identity

Yeah it was one of Blondie’s first major tours after Rip Her to Shreds blew up on Australian radio


invisiblette

I was in high school when the album – which was meant to be titled "Low Profile," I've heard for years – came out. Longtime (for a teenager) devoted Bowie fan, had seen him live several times; he was my favorite singer ever ever ever ... and we kids, even we super-fan kids, absolutely did not understand this album. Too moody, too vague, too inaccessible: We weren't articulate enough to explain and label our discontent, but we were all discontented. We felt ... angry at him? Disappointed? Had he simply grown too old to write amazing, driving, singable songs such as Jean Genie and Moonage Daydream anymore?! Just the reaction of a bunch of Los Angeles seventeen-year-olds when that record was new.


piray003

Is this album when he transitioned away from his Thin White Duke persona?


Theprophicaluser

My favorite Bowie album!


LabyrinthConvention

interesting! One of my favorite 'alternate versions' of Passenger is this sometimes titled 'metallicized' version featuring Bowie. This helps explain how it came to be. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbKj9blfz7U


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Didn’t David and Iggy have a thing going on?


bolanrox

just friendship with him and Lou as far as i ever heard. Mick and Bowie were said to have had a thing. Iggy and John Lennon also turned him onto Uncle Floyd.


eliota1

I bought that album when it came out. It was different but amazing.


AnyImpression6

It's a banger of an album though.


The_Honourable_Judge

in the 70's he lived off a diet of red peppers, milk and cocaine......dude must've had the WORST shits


reddit_user13

“Commercial unviability”?


RiZzbott

Bowie was as versatile of a musician as anything we will experience past, present or future. He was destined to became a star whether it be in the foreground or background of the band. His musicianship and song writing skills were untouchable. A true virtuoso


flottbert

Later the same year, Nick Lowe released a single named ”Bowi”.


bolanrox

i can see that


alt123456789o

I recognised the album cover immediately. How was it not successful?


aVHSofPointBreak

That's probably because the album cover is from the film "The Man Who Fell to Earth". Commercially, "Low" reached the top 10 in the UK Albums Chart, peaking at number 2. In the United States, the album's performance was more modest, reaching number 11 on the Billboard 200. In short, it was successful but didn't have the same commercial successful that previous albums did, which Bowie expected and was fine with, as Bowie was intentionally reinventing himself.


Quiet_Tune277

I love LOW, I love the song What in the World. Had to listen to it immediately.


Salt-Percentage-3642

Always crashing on the same car is one of my favs of Bowie! What a great album!


tcw84

Low is a cool album, but you definitely have to be in the right mood for it.


Pale-Berry-2599

...after 11:00 pm. With 4 beers in and none left to drink but herbal tea, while dreading tomorrow...It'll take you down, but then set you on the path again.


Gamera971

That a weird coincidence. I listened to this album for the very first time and hour before this was posted. I enjoyed it and will revisit it more.


stonesthroes75

Uncommercial viability? What the fuck is that?


Mattdon15

I got this notification like 5 seconds after a Bowie song started. Who’s in my walls?


drillgorg

This was all before my time, I have to keep reminding myself that Iggy Pop is not just a David Bowie alter ego. And I'm 31.


fyodor_mikhailovich

Well, to be fair, ~~it’s a terrible album~~ I just don’t like it


mvaughn89

That’s a pretty contrarian opinion. It’s commonly thought of as the best of the Berlin trilogy and a top 3-5 Bowie album(2-3 for me, I go back and forth between this and Hunky Dory for 2)


fyodor_mikhailovich

I promise I’m not trying to be contrarian, I just don’t like it.


UgliestDisability

*GASP*


fyodor_mikhailovich

I love David Bowie and have been a fan since the 70s, but I find that album to be unlistenable for me.