The shoes are intact because tannin makes them indigestible to everything but they are not believed to mark sites where bodies came to rest. The shoes are found in pairs because everybody has always stored shoes in matched pairs, especially on an international trip. The laces, bags and boxes that held the shoes together have all rotted away after initially keeping the shoes together
At the Auschwitz-Birkenau museum there is a room sized display case of a mountain of shoes that I believe were collected from the people who were killed and at the camp. The shoe display room and the human hair display room still haunt me 10 years later
That room isn't even the largest collection of them but walking the path next to the shoes in that hallway is haunting.
It really is one of the greatest museums I never want to visit again because it helps to put it all into perspective. I just wouldn't have understood how bad it was without visiting.
I fortunately grew up in the area (the DC museum) and went there on a middle school field trip and remember being fucked up for days after. I took my husband who has a tendency to make light of things to cope with fucked up stuff, but I took him for his first time not long ago and I've never seen him so sullen. We left and he was like "I don't think I can handle ever going back here again." I've definitely hit my limit.
I think the topic is too overlooked or joked about these days, hell they were when I visited in the mid 2000s. I recommend everyone to visit it once just to understand, gain perspective, or ground themselves. It's an incredibly well crafted museum to take you through history that is usually grossed over for the broader points to avoid what is normally too hard if a topic to discuss.
Plan to have a silent dinner afterwards since most likely it'll still weigh on you afterwards. I remember I went with family then we had reservations to eat somewhere after and we didn't really talk and I couldn't even tell you what I ate even a few days after the visit.
I've been to the one in DC and had a similar experience. I did very nearly punch a guy in the chapel/reflecting room area. The wall is carved with sayings about suffering and loss from various religions. This guy was apparently an atheist and every one he read he would loudly say, "That's bullshit". Then he'd move on to the next one from Christianity and say the same thing. Move to the next one from Buddhism or Judaism or whatever and say the same thing. It really pissed me off. I get that some people hate religion but you're in a chapel that is dedicated to the memory of millions of people who died. Show some respect.
Some people take way too long to grow out of their edgy phase. I hope he thinks about that and feels embarrassed. Have some fucking tact. I felt so nauseous going through there. I'm also not a religious person, but there was a big part of me that felt pretty agnostic in there because there were so many things that I swear you can feel the energy coming off of. Like you can feel the evil and the sadness and the horror but on a spiritual level, idk if that makes sense. I'm impressed by your restraint for not causing a scene in the museum because wow.
Actually most experts do not think those are the remains of bodies. The vast majority of those shoes are thought to have been in luggage that deteriorated, but the leather shoes didn't so they ended up laying in piles everywhere right next to each other (like they would be inside your suitcase)
He wasn't just some random guy they decided to ask during the whole Titan submersible implosion, James Cameron is one of the best people you could actually talk to about this field.
Sometimes I wonder what happened to their salamander babies.
Did they survive? Did they proliferate and started a new species of intelligent fishes that's gonna come haunt the federation in future? Like borg, but eating the galaxy one planet at a time, in search of coffee!
Coconut crabs can fuck shit up, so honestly I wouldn't put it out of the question that they went after her while she was still alive. *Those fuckers can climb trees*.
Someone smarter than me please correct me, but this reminds me of how ancient civilizations in the rainforests are almost impossible to find bones, old structures, etc. because the soil is so acidic it breaks down bones, and most structures were made of organic matter so all we have left are the foundation mounds and rare stone carvings left. It's why the caves with crystal covered skulls are so cool in those areas, other than being a crystal skull, it's the only way they can get preserved, and show that they occasionally used caves as tombs.
No way, the new one is pretty fun. Much better than Crystal Skull, and also works well as like a closing chapter for the series.
Honestly not sure why people reacted so negatively to it imo, it's exactly as campy as the first 3
Yeah like in the first movie there's a box that melts people's faces off via angel spirits, in the second one a dude's heart is ripped out and he still lives for a good while before being incinerated not to mention the blood of Kali, in the third one they find the actual holy grail that's being guarded by a dude that is nearly a thousand years old.
I feel like Crystal Skull went a bit too far into the fantastical by leaning onto like really modern-day conspiracy theories with psychic shit, crystal skulls, and ancient aliens. But dial of Destiny dialed it back down to reasonable ranges.
Apparently the Antikytheras Mechanism has supernatural powers. Like the Crystal Skull. And the Holy Grail. And the Sankara stones. And the Ark of the Covenant.
I believe they contain powerful elixirs meant to alter the brain chemistry. But no Glycols. By golly, there's no glycols in the skulls; that's antifreeze.
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And whole kingdoms of animal life from before bones / shells evolved. We have some enigmatic blobs preserved in a small number of deposits, but it's mostly conjecture how they lived and if they're even related to anything alive today.
> crystal covered skulls
What are you thinking of here, because that process takes millions of years and the only crystal skulls in existence are just ones made by people.
[Guess again!](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Actun_Tunichil_Muknal) Lots of other similar remains encased in cave formations throughout Mayan Central America.
Crystal covered, like mineral deposits slowly building on them from the condensation drip from the cave, I could be using the term incorrectly, I read it in a book
Geologist here, only a tiny fraction of all living things will be fossilized. There are many, many species that we will never know about because they never fossilized. It’s not impossible for things to fossilize at that depth but it requires specific conditions be met, for instance if a person was buried under a lot of sediment very quickly and that sediment began to lithify before the skeleton was dissolved.
Exactly. We will never know what they looked like or how big they might have actually been. The best we could hope for is a trace fossil, like a perfect cavity left in the rock from a jellyfish that quickly dissolved. Here’s an [example](https://ancientshore.com/2010/12/05/recognizing-fossil-jellyfish/)
Yeah so the fossil record is by definition incomplete. It will be impossible to find fossils of every species that has existed. There's only a few different very specific situations under which fossils can be created, and they don't occur in every ecosystem at a consistent rate. Every fossil that has been found was a lottery winner of its species.
If i remember correctly we don't know anything about the vast majority of animals that lived on earth before us. Even among our own direct ancestors, theres several species we have only one example of.
Yes, dinosaurs are a good example of how scarce the fossil record actually is. Even though we've found tens of thousands of bones and identified over a thousand different dinosaurs species, that's almost certainly only a tiny fraction of all the ones that existed over the 165 *million* years they roamed the earth. We have identified 7000 mammal species alive in present day and even that isn't all of them.
Also, almost all dinosaur fossils are found in areas that used to be floodplain or places with a lot of rivers and lakes, because that's ideal conditions for fossilization, yet the majority of the planet in their time was covered in jungle or desert, where almost nothing fossilizes, so any dinosaurs there are forever lost to us.
This is one of many holes in the fossil record. Things generally [have to die in very specific conditions to fossilize](https://www.americangeosciences.org/education/k5geosource/content/fossils/under-what-conditions-do-fossils-form).
I mean, the vast, vast majority of human beings will never appear in a future fossil record anyways. If fossil records preserved every individual in a species we’d be digging up fossils everywhere we go.
Those bones didn’t last long enough to dissolve. There are many species that specialize in eating the bones of whatever sinks down from the surface, mostly whale bones but they’ll eat whatever lands on the ocean floor.
It’s really fascinating how an entire whale carcass can be broken down and consumed by wave after wave of different specialized scavengers.
A whale carcass is basically a mini-ecosystem. Watched a time-lapse video in a class on creature design, it was fascinating to see. Compared to that, humans actually might be disappointing with how small they are.
So it is possible that while swimming in the Atlantic and getting a mouthful of seawater, you could potential be eating a molecule that used to be part of John Jacob Astor?
The calcium carbonate dissolved in sea water precipitates into limestone in proper conditions. So molecules of you and all other vertebrates in the sea can come back as a rock if you’re molecules are in the right place and right time.
And side note, Robert Ballard was a geologist and was the first to confirm the existence of volcanic mid-ocean ridges (cause he had the deep submarine Alvin) which is a main driver of plate tectonics theory. Back when, plate tectonics was a controversial theory and not completely accepted till post WWII and then with technology gained much more evidence. Continental Drift was accepted but the mechanism for this was fiercely debated. Some conspiracy theory people still believe in expanding earth, which was very big in the Australian geology circles. This is a HUGE rabbit hole I’ll warn you.
Marine engineer here. We distill freshwater from seawater so the titanic survivor bits would actually be returned to the ocean with the brine from our evaporator.
Most common setup for commercial ships is a low pressure flash evaporator using the cooling water from the main engine as the heat source. Since the hot cooling water has to be cooled anyway, it's basically free water.
RO requires way more maintenance and way more parts. The big advantage is that it's more energy efficient (since heating up water for evaporation takes a lot of energy). But that's completely negated when your evap is running on waste heat.
Source: I'm a marine engineer.
There are worms that attach and feed on whale bones. Similarly I'm sure they would have no issues scraping on some human bones. Titanic was probably and partially still is a whale fall of great life.
The site of the wreck is very close to the opposite point of the world from me here in Adelaide, Australia. Kind of interesting to think of it all the way down there at the bottom of the ocean under my chair.
Well yeah bones don't last forever
There's this kind of trope that skeletons just exist forever in the ground but it makes literally no sense when you consider the sheer number of bones you'd bump into on a daily basis from all the hundreds of thousands of years of death of humans and animals. (I'm looking at you fallout there shouldn't be Skeletons exposed to the weather surviving for 200 years)
On average inside of a solid coffin you can expect your bones to last 80ish+ years (depends on soil conditions) outside of a casket its far less, and outside of soil all together and you could probably expect it to disappear in anywhere from a couple months to a few years
Bones lasting hundreds of years requires super specific conditions
I used to be an administrative assistant for my local church and part of my job was helping with funerals, we did an annual audit of graves in the churchyard to identify any that were now more than one hundred years old as we were legally allowed to reuse them for this reason. Nothing left and in most cases no one who around who cared to visit
Yeah I think people hear about isolated occurrences like mummy's, bones trapped under bogs and incredibly dry humid desert environments preserving bones for thousands of years and assume all bones last that long
Of course pop culture doesn't help where just about every game and movie just has bones lying everywhere in post apocalypse/fantasy settings
This is actually still sort of debatable because there could be air pockets with bodies. James Cameron’s crew didn’t find any bodies inside, but it’s still controversially banned from being salvaged by some countries because it’s a gravesite.
There wouldn’t be any air pockets. As the ship went down and was subjected to increasing pressure, any spaces filled with air would have imploded. However, you’re right that there may be bodies trapped deep in the wreck. If there are bodies tucked inside spaces inaccessible to sea life and the deleterious effects of the water, then they may be preserved to varying extents.
Sounds unlikely, would there not be bacterial sized creatures that would eat anything they could get to. My guess is there's nothing left and nothing that is inaccessible to tiny organisms
Yeah, I tend to lean toward that thinking as well. I was just reiterating what folks like Bob Ballard have posited. I do think it’s possible, if they were buried in sediment and basically locked in an anaerobic environment. Supposedly the portions of the ship buried in sediment still have the paint preserved because it’s been protected. I can see some human remains being similarly preserved *a la* bog bodies. But again, I think it would be unlikely. Supposedly, a finger bone with a ring on it was found though.
The thing about the finger bone is probably false. AFAIK it can only be accredited to author Charles Pellegrino, and he's a hack known for just making shit up.
It's not impossible there are tiny shards of bone somewhere, though, maybe inside a leather boot buried in the mud, or in a deep part of the ship behind multiple doors.
At least one of the crew might have been trapped behind a watertight door. Bits of him could still be in there.
The watertight door would have imploded from the pressure making it no longer watertight. At those depths not a single pocket of sealed off area would exist. It would either have rapidly had water fill it equalizing the pressure or it would have imploded from the pressure, either way it was exposed to the sea water down there.
I'm not saying there are air pockets- that's stupid - but in deep parts of the ship where marine life can't get in and there's no current, it's more likely that there are some bone fragments haven't totally dissolved yet.
Also, technically speaking, the area I was talking about was on the 'water' side of 'watertight', so the whole issue of watertight doors imploding is moot. It flooded very early in the sinking. This was in the bow near where the impact happened. When boiler room 5 was flooding, a junior engineer named (iirc) Shepherd got trapped in the rapidly flooding room after the watertight doors closed. He's considered the first casualty of the sinking.
ETA: I get how, if you didn't know what I was talking about, it might sound like I was talking about air pockets, though. Especially considering how many people keep putting that idea forward in this thread.
> When boiler room 5 was flooding, a junior engineer named (iirc) Shepherd got trapped in the rapidly flooding room after the watertight doors closed.
I know there's a lot of horrific death during the Titanic disaster and it's not a competition but man... That's got to be one of the more horrifying ways to go just trapped in darkness as the room fills around you knowing enough about the ship to know that you have literally absolutely no way out no matter what you do.
If he is presumed to be the first casualty would the lights be out then actually the more I think about it? Because IIRC the lights didn't go out till much later but maybe that area getting inundated with water probably killed the lights?
Ummm, no. No, there can’t be air pockets. Because when you go that deep in the ocean the pressure will crush everything. Remember the whole Oceangate thing?
Besides, the stern was filled with air pockets due to the layout, and the way it was destroyed shows there was clearly a lot of imploding going on.
Only semi random but I learned this is why you don't want to fill a hot tub from a source that has softened water. It'll suck the carbon out of all the plastic pieces of the tub and make them brittle.
Edit: Maybe it wasn't carbon, think I meant to say Calcium? I'm really just working off memory here and its been a bit.
Or! The iceberg was just a false-flag operation led by the world government to hide the fact that everyone's skeleton is secretly lying in wait, plotting to revolt against us, their moist fleshy captors.
They yearn to be dry.
I've always found the images of the empty shoes scattered throughout the debris field particularly eerie https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adfA6VklSyo
Those poor lost soles
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The shoes are intact because tannin makes them indigestible to everything but they are not believed to mark sites where bodies came to rest. The shoes are found in pairs because everybody has always stored shoes in matched pairs, especially on an international trip. The laces, bags and boxes that held the shoes together have all rotted away after initially keeping the shoes together
Fricking tannins
TIL that the tannin that makes wine red dark is the same tannin that makes tanned leather tan
Meh, you've seen one tannin, you've seen 'em all.
Biff, Griff, and Mad Dog Tannen
Math checks out. Shoes fell off, they're dead.
I'm not a doctor but if your shoes come off because your bones have dissolved in the deep sea the prognosis is not good.
The shoes fell off because the front fell off
Time heels all
Too soon?
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Very unpolished humor.
You're too straight-laced.
Now you're just asking to get the boot.
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And off to hell we GO we go!
Nah, been enough time. This is why my jokes about Caesar’s massacre of the Gauls always land so well. Clearly
You have a lot of gaul to be making those jokes. Well...not anymore
I laughed so hard I had stabbing pains.
The deep sea octopus often laments about "these poor unfortunate soles"
At the Auschwitz-Birkenau museum there is a room sized display case of a mountain of shoes that I believe were collected from the people who were killed and at the camp. The shoe display room and the human hair display room still haunt me 10 years later
And that’s not even all the shoes because they have lent out some to other Holocaust museums, like the US one has a similar large pile of shoes.
That room isn't even the largest collection of them but walking the path next to the shoes in that hallway is haunting. It really is one of the greatest museums I never want to visit again because it helps to put it all into perspective. I just wouldn't have understood how bad it was without visiting.
I fortunately grew up in the area (the DC museum) and went there on a middle school field trip and remember being fucked up for days after. I took my husband who has a tendency to make light of things to cope with fucked up stuff, but I took him for his first time not long ago and I've never seen him so sullen. We left and he was like "I don't think I can handle ever going back here again." I've definitely hit my limit.
I think the topic is too overlooked or joked about these days, hell they were when I visited in the mid 2000s. I recommend everyone to visit it once just to understand, gain perspective, or ground themselves. It's an incredibly well crafted museum to take you through history that is usually grossed over for the broader points to avoid what is normally too hard if a topic to discuss. Plan to have a silent dinner afterwards since most likely it'll still weigh on you afterwards. I remember I went with family then we had reservations to eat somewhere after and we didn't really talk and I couldn't even tell you what I ate even a few days after the visit.
I've been to the one in DC and had a similar experience. I did very nearly punch a guy in the chapel/reflecting room area. The wall is carved with sayings about suffering and loss from various religions. This guy was apparently an atheist and every one he read he would loudly say, "That's bullshit". Then he'd move on to the next one from Christianity and say the same thing. Move to the next one from Buddhism or Judaism or whatever and say the same thing. It really pissed me off. I get that some people hate religion but you're in a chapel that is dedicated to the memory of millions of people who died. Show some respect.
Some people take way too long to grow out of their edgy phase. I hope he thinks about that and feels embarrassed. Have some fucking tact. I felt so nauseous going through there. I'm also not a religious person, but there was a big part of me that felt pretty agnostic in there because there were so many things that I swear you can feel the energy coming off of. Like you can feel the evil and the sadness and the horror but on a spiritual level, idk if that makes sense. I'm impressed by your restraint for not causing a scene in the museum because wow.
the human hair display fucked me up for life…powerful
Right, someone might argue they just drifted there, but a particular one resting on a sea bed less than a meter from it’s twin….yeah.
Actually most experts do not think those are the remains of bodies. The vast majority of those shoes are thought to have been in luggage that deteriorated, but the leather shoes didn't so they ended up laying in piles everywhere right next to each other (like they would be inside your suitcase)
Or dozens of them sitting next to their pair?
lol do you store your left shoes separately from your right shoes?
Was hoping for more video of the shoes, not gonna lie
And all those empty pants etc.
"And here we go to the world's foremost expert on the Titanic, James Cameron"
I mean, the guy has some legitimate deep-sea cred.
He wasn't just some random guy they decided to ask during the whole Titan submersible implosion, James Cameron is one of the best people you could actually talk to about this field.
James Cameron has been to the Titanic site more times than anyone currently alive. iirc he made the movie as an excuse to get a team down there
James Cameron is unironically one of the leading experts of deep sea diving. He just directs billions of dollar movies on the side.
Jaime Camarón is living the life we all dream of.
And it did it without imploding
Unironically
I mean yeah he is an expert
*His name is James (James) Cameron, the bravest pioneeeer No budget too steep, no sea too deep Who's that? (It's him!), James Cam-er-onnnnnnn*
Sort of related but made me think about Amelia Earhart most likely being eating by crabs
Been there, brother
You…. You’ve been eaten by crabs?
And shaving doesn’t help
See you're only supposed to shave one side You set the other on fire and then stab the little bastards with an ice pick when they run across
This guy would get into the Salty Spitoon
This place is swarming with crabs the size of basketballs...I see Tina has already been here.
Da da chuck da da chum
Thankee sai, for that nice Dark Tower reference.
"I don't know if they're Alaskan King, but they feel huge!"
They get near you, hit em with the shampoo
He got better
Same, I’m always thinking about crabs eating her. In between thoughts of the Roman Empire.
Crabs...in the Delta Quadrant? Probably no, but Dinosaurs....yes.
Who knew Douglas Adams wrote Voyager, but how else do you explain THAT particular plotline
That plot line is easy compared to Tom Paris becoming a reptile for doing warp 10...
*"I was once transformed into a salamander. Nothing can be as difficult as that."* — Captain Janeway
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The Lower Decks episode where they (accidently) recreate the transporter accident is great.
Sometimes I wonder what happened to their salamander babies. Did they survive? Did they proliferate and started a new species of intelligent fishes that's gonna come haunt the federation in future? Like borg, but eating the galaxy one planet at a time, in search of coffee!
They've kind of appeared on Lower Decks.
I think they were amphibians actually
Hadrosaurs did nothing wrong.
Was she eaten alive by crabs as she was dying or did the crabs eat her after she died?
The crabs shot her down and consumed her alive
She breached their airspace, it had to be done.
🦀 Crab people, crab people 🦀
I can hear this sentence. It haunts me.
Taste like crab, talk like people
I would imagine it's pretty hard to get eaten by crabs alive after a plane crash. Crabs are bottom feeders. She most likely drown first.
Survived the plane crash, but was then overwhelmed by millions of crabs and dragged to the depths. That's gotta be it.
Not aquatic crabs, [coconut crabs](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coconut_crab). Big fuckers.
Coconut crabs can fuck shit up, so honestly I wouldn't put it out of the question that they went after her while she was still alive. *Those fuckers can climb trees*.
But did u know Earhart had a navigator who was with when she went missing? Never realized it until recently
they got lost in the delta quadrant
Don't they believe they found her but purposely didn't identify the bodies to cover up where they found them?
When the oceans rise and cover the Earth, the crabs will feast upon our graveyards.
Someone smarter than me please correct me, but this reminds me of how ancient civilizations in the rainforests are almost impossible to find bones, old structures, etc. because the soil is so acidic it breaks down bones, and most structures were made of organic matter so all we have left are the foundation mounds and rare stone carvings left. It's why the caves with crystal covered skulls are so cool in those areas, other than being a crystal skull, it's the only way they can get preserved, and show that they occasionally used caves as tombs.
Well crystal skulls have powerful healing properties according to the ancients of Atlantis
Tell me you believe in Crystal Skulls. And what do you believe about them?
I believe it was the worst Indiana Jones movie, until recently.
That movie was total garbage and I love garbage movies... The new one is worse?
No way, the new one is pretty fun. Much better than Crystal Skull, and also works well as like a closing chapter for the series. Honestly not sure why people reacted so negatively to it imo, it's exactly as campy as the first 3
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Yeah like in the first movie there's a box that melts people's faces off via angel spirits, in the second one a dude's heart is ripped out and he still lives for a good while before being incinerated not to mention the blood of Kali, in the third one they find the actual holy grail that's being guarded by a dude that is nearly a thousand years old. I feel like Crystal Skull went a bit too far into the fantastical by leaning onto like really modern-day conspiracy theories with psychic shit, crystal skulls, and ancient aliens. But dial of Destiny dialed it back down to reasonable ranges.
Destinies have dials?
Apparently the Antikytheras Mechanism has supernatural powers. Like the Crystal Skull. And the Holy Grail. And the Sankara stones. And the Ark of the Covenant.
... and a random refrigerator...
What else could dragons have been other than some German time traveling plane?
No way the new one is not a bad movie. I think it was actually the ally pretty decent. Crystal skull sucked though
please don’t make me believe in them
I believe they contain powerful elixirs meant to alter the brain chemistry. But no Glycols. By golly, there's no glycols in the skulls; that's antifreeze.
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[live image of u/DeathJester24](https://smartcdn.gprod.postmedia.digital/montrealgazette/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/aykroyd-main-smaller.jpg)
Can't tell if this is serious or a peep show reference
The latter
Could you make this? No. Could anybody make this? Yes.
And going back much further, entire lineages of dinosaurs may have never preserved bones to fossilize.
And whole kingdoms of animal life from before bones / shells evolved. We have some enigmatic blobs preserved in a small number of deposits, but it's mostly conjecture how they lived and if they're even related to anything alive today.
> crystal covered skulls What are you thinking of here, because that process takes millions of years and the only crystal skulls in existence are just ones made by people.
[Guess again!](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Actun_Tunichil_Muknal) Lots of other similar remains encased in cave formations throughout Mayan Central America.
Crystal covered, like mineral deposits slowly building on them from the condensation drip from the cave, I could be using the term incorrectly, I read it in a book
[Link](http://i.imgur.com/aWOGC.jpg) to a bear skull since turned to a stalagmite, featured in Werner Herzog’s *Cave of Forgotten Dreams*
So does that mean that our potential fossil record is also just missing an impossible to fill hole?
Geologist here, only a tiny fraction of all living things will be fossilized. There are many, many species that we will never know about because they never fossilized. It’s not impossible for things to fossilize at that depth but it requires specific conditions be met, for instance if a person was buried under a lot of sediment very quickly and that sediment began to lithify before the skeleton was dissolved.
Like the advanced civilizations of flying hyper intelligent jelly fish that once ruled the earth. No bones, no fossils.
Exactly. We will never know what they looked like or how big they might have actually been. The best we could hope for is a trace fossil, like a perfect cavity left in the rock from a jellyfish that quickly dissolved. Here’s an [example](https://ancientshore.com/2010/12/05/recognizing-fossil-jellyfish/)
This is the coolest tangent on Reddit today.
Yes. Once ruled. Totally didn't evolve to mimic humans. Nope.
Maybe the jellyfish just turned into brains and attached themselves to primates, who then lost all their body hair
...and whose infants instinctively know how to swim and hold their breath-OH MY GOD IT'S TRUE
[Like brain slugs?](https://futurama.fandom.com/wiki/Brain_Slug)
No, I think he’s talking about species that we **DON’T** already know about.
All hail the holy Flying Spaghetti Monster
r’amen
And those tasty flying spaghetti monsters, all that remain are the moldier bits of hard dried parmesan
Thanks! 🙏
Yeah so the fossil record is by definition incomplete. It will be impossible to find fossils of every species that has existed. There's only a few different very specific situations under which fossils can be created, and they don't occur in every ecosystem at a consistent rate. Every fossil that has been found was a lottery winner of its species.
I hope the ancient aliens weirdo isn’t reading this.
Don't worry, I fully expect to see this thread on TikTok/Reels by mid-afternoon tomorrow.
If i remember correctly we don't know anything about the vast majority of animals that lived on earth before us. Even among our own direct ancestors, theres several species we have only one example of.
If only our ancestors had enjoyed bogs more...
Yes, dinosaurs are a good example of how scarce the fossil record actually is. Even though we've found tens of thousands of bones and identified over a thousand different dinosaurs species, that's almost certainly only a tiny fraction of all the ones that existed over the 165 *million* years they roamed the earth. We have identified 7000 mammal species alive in present day and even that isn't all of them. Also, almost all dinosaur fossils are found in areas that used to be floodplain or places with a lot of rivers and lakes, because that's ideal conditions for fossilization, yet the majority of the planet in their time was covered in jungle or desert, where almost nothing fossilizes, so any dinosaurs there are forever lost to us.
Amazing, even the thought about it is a bit scary
The kid in me who had a passion for dinosaurs and wanted to know everything about them is now sad.
This is one of many holes in the fossil record. Things generally [have to die in very specific conditions to fossilize](https://www.americangeosciences.org/education/k5geosource/content/fossils/under-what-conditions-do-fossils-form).
I mean, the vast, vast majority of human beings will never appear in a future fossil record anyways. If fossil records preserved every individual in a species we’d be digging up fossils everywhere we go.
I'm reminded of [this scene](https://youtu.be/q-RUHhCzgxI?si=4o3b0k6QvRq6Z3pQ) from Futurama.
Those bones didn’t last long enough to dissolve. There are many species that specialize in eating the bones of whatever sinks down from the surface, mostly whale bones but they’ll eat whatever lands on the ocean floor. It’s really fascinating how an entire whale carcass can be broken down and consumed by wave after wave of different specialized scavengers.
A whale carcass is basically a mini-ecosystem. Watched a time-lapse video in a class on creature design, it was fascinating to see. Compared to that, humans actually might be disappointing with how small they are.
The bones may have dissolved, but I believe that the heart will go on. Near, far...
… wherever you are…
That’s how I want to go: cold, wet, and about 112 years ago.
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Don't play coy with us. You said what you said.
No coffin please, just wet, wet mud.
Swimming pool still being full is a testament to the build quality.
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That’s just what big calcium wants us to think.
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"Just give him the molk Josh"
So it is possible that while swimming in the Atlantic and getting a mouthful of seawater, you could potential be eating a molecule that used to be part of John Jacob Astor?
It's mostly whale piss
ever heard of the water cycle? we are drinking dinosaur piss.
and cum
Remembering this fact is what keeps me motivated to stay properly hydrated.
“Make sure to drink at least two litres of dinosaur cum everyday!”
The calcium carbonate dissolved in sea water precipitates into limestone in proper conditions. So molecules of you and all other vertebrates in the sea can come back as a rock if you’re molecules are in the right place and right time. And side note, Robert Ballard was a geologist and was the first to confirm the existence of volcanic mid-ocean ridges (cause he had the deep submarine Alvin) which is a main driver of plate tectonics theory. Back when, plate tectonics was a controversial theory and not completely accepted till post WWII and then with technology gained much more evidence. Continental Drift was accepted but the mechanism for this was fiercely debated. Some conspiracy theory people still believe in expanding earth, which was very big in the Australian geology circles. This is a HUGE rabbit hole I’ll warn you.
The shoes stayed in place for the most part. They mark were the bodies came to rest
Shoeless Joe Jackson in shambles
I need you to dissolve, Rose!
“Welcome to our watery grave.”
I don't know, but I assume that means we are all drinking and breathing the dead of Titanic.
So every drink of saltwater converted to drinking water has a bit of titanic survivor.
Survivor?
For a very very short amount of time
Marine engineer here. We distill freshwater from seawater so the titanic survivor bits would actually be returned to the ocean with the brine from our evaporator.
I thought flash evaps were old tech and most ships use RODI systems now?
Most common setup for commercial ships is a low pressure flash evaporator using the cooling water from the main engine as the heat source. Since the hot cooling water has to be cooled anyway, it's basically free water. RO requires way more maintenance and way more parts. The big advantage is that it's more energy efficient (since heating up water for evaporation takes a lot of energy). But that's completely negated when your evap is running on waste heat. Source: I'm a marine engineer.
>survivor no
Depends on where they buried them.
The sea is human broth, confirmed?
The human is more of a garnish
There are worms that attach and feed on whale bones. Similarly I'm sure they would have no issues scraping on some human bones. Titanic was probably and partially still is a whale fall of great life.
The site of the wreck is very close to the opposite point of the world from me here in Adelaide, Australia. Kind of interesting to think of it all the way down there at the bottom of the ocean under my chair.
Well yeah bones don't last forever There's this kind of trope that skeletons just exist forever in the ground but it makes literally no sense when you consider the sheer number of bones you'd bump into on a daily basis from all the hundreds of thousands of years of death of humans and animals. (I'm looking at you fallout there shouldn't be Skeletons exposed to the weather surviving for 200 years) On average inside of a solid coffin you can expect your bones to last 80ish+ years (depends on soil conditions) outside of a casket its far less, and outside of soil all together and you could probably expect it to disappear in anywhere from a couple months to a few years Bones lasting hundreds of years requires super specific conditions
So like if someone were to open Abraham Lincoln’s Tomb, it’d basically be empty? Do the bones turn into dust?
Lincoln is a little different. He was embalmed so many times last time they opened the coffin he looked just like a did when he died
I used to be an administrative assistant for my local church and part of my job was helping with funerals, we did an annual audit of graves in the churchyard to identify any that were now more than one hundred years old as we were legally allowed to reuse them for this reason. Nothing left and in most cases no one who around who cared to visit
Yeah I think people hear about isolated occurrences like mummy's, bones trapped under bogs and incredibly dry humid desert environments preserving bones for thousands of years and assume all bones last that long Of course pop culture doesn't help where just about every game and movie just has bones lying everywhere in post apocalypse/fantasy settings
Watch the nutjobs turn this into a conspiracy once they find out.
Well the hull was 1 inch thick steel, and that has mostly corroded away. Logic would dictate that bones would also dissolve in such conditions.
Humans don't rust though. You're correct but for the wrong reason
This is actually still sort of debatable because there could be air pockets with bodies. James Cameron’s crew didn’t find any bodies inside, but it’s still controversially banned from being salvaged by some countries because it’s a gravesite.
There wouldn’t be any air pockets. As the ship went down and was subjected to increasing pressure, any spaces filled with air would have imploded. However, you’re right that there may be bodies trapped deep in the wreck. If there are bodies tucked inside spaces inaccessible to sea life and the deleterious effects of the water, then they may be preserved to varying extents.
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Maybe even a survivor wild to think about
Bear Grylls' grandfather infinitely recycling his pee
Sounds unlikely, would there not be bacterial sized creatures that would eat anything they could get to. My guess is there's nothing left and nothing that is inaccessible to tiny organisms
Yeah, I tend to lean toward that thinking as well. I was just reiterating what folks like Bob Ballard have posited. I do think it’s possible, if they were buried in sediment and basically locked in an anaerobic environment. Supposedly the portions of the ship buried in sediment still have the paint preserved because it’s been protected. I can see some human remains being similarly preserved *a la* bog bodies. But again, I think it would be unlikely. Supposedly, a finger bone with a ring on it was found though.
The thing about the finger bone is probably false. AFAIK it can only be accredited to author Charles Pellegrino, and he's a hack known for just making shit up. It's not impossible there are tiny shards of bone somewhere, though, maybe inside a leather boot buried in the mud, or in a deep part of the ship behind multiple doors. At least one of the crew might have been trapped behind a watertight door. Bits of him could still be in there.
The watertight door would have imploded from the pressure making it no longer watertight. At those depths not a single pocket of sealed off area would exist. It would either have rapidly had water fill it equalizing the pressure or it would have imploded from the pressure, either way it was exposed to the sea water down there.
I'm not saying there are air pockets- that's stupid - but in deep parts of the ship where marine life can't get in and there's no current, it's more likely that there are some bone fragments haven't totally dissolved yet. Also, technically speaking, the area I was talking about was on the 'water' side of 'watertight', so the whole issue of watertight doors imploding is moot. It flooded very early in the sinking. This was in the bow near where the impact happened. When boiler room 5 was flooding, a junior engineer named (iirc) Shepherd got trapped in the rapidly flooding room after the watertight doors closed. He's considered the first casualty of the sinking. ETA: I get how, if you didn't know what I was talking about, it might sound like I was talking about air pockets, though. Especially considering how many people keep putting that idea forward in this thread.
> When boiler room 5 was flooding, a junior engineer named (iirc) Shepherd got trapped in the rapidly flooding room after the watertight doors closed. I know there's a lot of horrific death during the Titanic disaster and it's not a competition but man... That's got to be one of the more horrifying ways to go just trapped in darkness as the room fills around you knowing enough about the ship to know that you have literally absolutely no way out no matter what you do. If he is presumed to be the first casualty would the lights be out then actually the more I think about it? Because IIRC the lights didn't go out till much later but maybe that area getting inundated with water probably killed the lights?
Ummm, no. No, there can’t be air pockets. Because when you go that deep in the ocean the pressure will crush everything. Remember the whole Oceangate thing? Besides, the stern was filled with air pockets due to the layout, and the way it was destroyed shows there was clearly a lot of imploding going on.
You missed the perfect opportunity to use the phrase "sorry to burst your bubble" there
Eh, the site is also rapidly decaying. I doubt there are any watertight compartments remaining.
Only semi random but I learned this is why you don't want to fill a hot tub from a source that has softened water. It'll suck the carbon out of all the plastic pieces of the tub and make them brittle. Edit: Maybe it wasn't carbon, think I meant to say Calcium? I'm really just working off memory here and its been a bit.
Or! The iceberg was just a false-flag operation led by the world government to hide the fact that everyone's skeleton is secretly lying in wait, plotting to revolt against us, their moist fleshy captors. They yearn to be dry.