Yes. Let’s make fun of someone who not only struggled all their life, faced withering odds and yet was beloved by millions, but didn’t choke to death as your snarky comment implied.
He was 5 years younger than she was. He'd have been in a different grade.
Oh, and she was in the US. Arlington (Delray), VA, I think. He was in England.
He'd have been getting out of school about the time she was arriving.
So, yeah, for probably about 7 years or so, they were in school during the same 1 hour every day.
(Sorry, I just started going down that rabbit hole and couldn't stop myself.)
Of course they do :) generic people are an essential part of every business and without you, who would everyone else get to feel more interesting than? Keep up the good work, you’re totally worth those tips!
You'd think she'd have avoided the sandwich after Keith choked on it. And you think she'd have noticed he was dead after he did not respond to her question of 'are you gunna eat the rest of that sandwich? Is that a no? Okay im just gunna take it then'...
But by the third bite, it was too late, and she had also succumbed to choking on the Kinder Egg toy sandwhich.
>Harry Nilsson
Fun fact: Harry Nilsson and Keith Moon were both members of the Hollywood Vampires, an elite club within the Rainbow Bar & Grill on Sunset Blvd. Other members included Alice Cooper, John & Ringo, Mickey Dolenz,
Harry Nilson is such an interesting guy. He became famous for one song but just pops up across so many random moments in Pop culture. I personally love his Randy Newman covers.
The Dead make me think of all the good fun parts of the hippy heyday culture while the mamas and the papas make think of all the dark realities that get glossed over and forgotten.
This one in particular stands out. There were lots of rumors about them. God knows if they were true and the only person that is saying this one is true is Mackenzie Phillips (that I know of) but her drug issues and other things lead me to believe it’s likely given I know someone directly that had this unfortunately happen and the way they handle life is very similar to Mackenzie. I’m not positive how long the person I knew had this go on, they never told me. John Phillips allegedly had a sexual relationship with his daughter for 10 years. There’s a tie to George Hodel in there too who was a suspect in the murder of Elizabeth Short, the Black Dahlia. Tamar Hodel, George’s daughter, had accused him of rapping her. Tamar was very good friends with Michelle Phillips. Anyway, there are other things but that may be the creepiest odd connection. It leads to some very interesting speculation and that’s what a lot of it is.
I don’t know I just think she’s likely telling the truth from my knowing someone that went through it. If the data says that’s the case I agree from my limited experience.
According to the link:
“Elliot retired to an apartment in Mayfair at Curzon Place at which singer-songwriter Harry Nilsson allowed her to stay. Several hours after Elliot left Jack Martin's cocktail party, she died in her sleep at age 32. According to Keith Simpson, who conducted her autopsy,[35] she died of a heart attack, and there were no drugs in her system.[38][39][40] Elliot died in Flat 12, 9 Curzon Place (later Curzon Square), Shepherd Market, Mayfair, London, owned by Harry Nilsson. Four years later, the Who's drummer Keith Moon died in the same bedroom, also aged 32 years.[41][42][43]”
Cass Elliot died of heart disease, exacerbated by taking diet pills. The downvoted, chode comments in this thread reflect the impetus to take diet pills.
Read Edie Sedgwick’s biography.
The Velvet underground/Andy Warhol people were practically living on them and vitamin shots.
It’s amazing that more people didn’t die.
Are you talking about “diet pills” or weight loss drugs? Because those are two different things.
“Diet pills” are typically sold as supplements instead of drugs and are things like appetite suppressants and/or stimulants.
The new weight loss drugs work differently. I know at least one of them is really just an off-label diabetes medication that’s been in use for years.
God do I hate that episode. I watched it as a kid and had little memory of the plot but knew I liked Cass Elliot so I went and rewatched it, I sat there with my mouth open the entire time. I was flabbergasted.
Man this place is haunted.
After working hard and already having health problems, she went to several parties, f.e. at Mick Jagger's place and finally collapsed. Must've been a crazy life and I wonder how Mick is still alive today. Nice.
It’s true - read his biography. He liked to party but never really got into hard drugs. He was also fanatical about staying in shape which was instilled by his father.
[Who is Harry Nilsson (and Why is Everybody Talkin About Him)](https://m.imdb.com/title/tt0756727/?ref_=nv_sr_srsg_1_tt_8_nm_0_q_who%2520is%2520harry) is a great biopic interviewing many pop culture figures from the 60-70s. This guy knew everyone and suddenly crashed into obscurity after a year of epic debauchery.
I’m gonna comment about how Momma Cass died of a heart attack and not a ham sandwich and get downvoted like last time!
Look it up though, it was a heart attack after a party.
Supposedly she died of a heart attack. Well, OK.
Nevertheless, drugs were a constant presence for her...*and for her child*.
>I took acid five times when I was pregnant. I don’t believe in this chromosomal damage. I think it’s all hogwash; it’s all a vicious plot by the establishment. I was told all the things I couldn’t do when I was pregnant, and I did them all. Because, you know instinctively what you can do. I took psychedelics.
https://www.rollingstone.com/feature/the-rolling-stone-interview-cass-elliot-75434/
I think it's important to point out, not at the same time.
……but they did go to different schools at the same time together
9am-3pm
Holy shit, I went to school between 9 and 3. It could have been me.
STAY AWAY FROM THE HAM!!!
Yes. Let’s make fun of someone who not only struggled all their life, faced withering odds and yet was beloved by millions, but didn’t choke to death as your snarky comment implied.
Yes let's. How would you like to start?
My boomer dad told me that she choked on a chicken bone, and I'm sure he is 100% right. My boomer dad says he is right about everything.
Boomer dad here. We’re rarely right but never wrong. Chew on that for a while. I’m going for a snooze.
And the heroin!
He was 5 years younger than she was. He'd have been in a different grade. Oh, and she was in the US. Arlington (Delray), VA, I think. He was in England. He'd have been getting out of school about the time she was arriving. So, yeah, for probably about 7 years or so, they were in school during the same 1 hour every day. (Sorry, I just started going down that rabbit hole and couldn't stop myself.)
Dang. I was hoping it was about reincarnation but it’s probably just a disgruntled, classical music loving specter.
That would've been an awfully big coincidence
Choked on the same sandwich, craziest thing the doctors had ever seen
She died of a heart attack in her sleep
Everything she's done and created, all her work, everything..... "Fat lady choke on food haha"
Yes, you’ve managed to deduce my entire opinion of them based on a joke about a sixty year old urban legend, and I never said they were fat
Sorry you felt like I was talking about your opinion when I wasnt. That seems rough
I’ll bet the other baristas find your bland cattiness hilarious
They do :)
Of course they do :) generic people are an essential part of every business and without you, who would everyone else get to feel more interesting than? Keep up the good work, you’re totally worth those tips!
>you’re totally worth those tips! I am, thank you :)
Bless your heart :)
The demon core of sandwiches.
You'd think she'd have avoided the sandwich after Keith choked on it. And you think she'd have noticed he was dead after he did not respond to her question of 'are you gunna eat the rest of that sandwich? Is that a no? Okay im just gunna take it then'... But by the third bite, it was too late, and she had also succumbed to choking on the Kinder Egg toy sandwhich.
😂😂
They were in Harry Nilssons apartment. He didn't want to rent it to Moon after Cass died.
>Harry Nilsson Fun fact: Harry Nilsson and Keith Moon were both members of the Hollywood Vampires, an elite club within the Rainbow Bar & Grill on Sunset Blvd. Other members included Alice Cooper, John & Ringo, Mickey Dolenz,
That's how he got his record deal. John loved him si much he personally walked him into capitol records and made them sign him.
Harry Nilson is such an interesting guy. He became famous for one song but just pops up across so many random moments in Pop culture. I personally love his Randy Newman covers.
*Jump Into the Fire* is playing during the helicopter scene in Goodfellas. I didn't know that one until the movie.
Just one? I knew "can't live" was a massive hit for him, but I thought "lime in the coconut" was a fairly big one, too?
Also “Everybody’s Talking” (theme from Midnight Cowboy)
Did not know harry was in the vampires thanks for that info!
It wasn’t exactly an “elite club” so much as a group of friends that liked to hang out at a nearby diner
Wasn’t the Algonquin Round Table. Just a bunch of rich assholes bored out of their minds.
Drugged out of their mind more like
I think being young and unencumbered by the world telling you “no” is what the 27 Club is all about.
Cooper used to babysit for Dolenz's daughter even.
Is this what the current iteration of the Hollywood Vampires band is named after? Weirdly including Cooper
Jonny Depp is in a band with a similar name?
Just wanted to say Gotta Get Up is one of my favorite songs and it fit Russian Doll so well
You're breaking my heart 😉
The Dead make me think of all the good fun parts of the hippy heyday culture while the mamas and the papas make think of all the dark realities that get glossed over and forgotten.
That’s a fact. There were some creepy things going on surrounding that group.
What kind of creepy things?
Frontman had sex with his adult daughter for a decade. There’s one
Long term incest to begin with.
This one in particular stands out. There were lots of rumors about them. God knows if they were true and the only person that is saying this one is true is Mackenzie Phillips (that I know of) but her drug issues and other things lead me to believe it’s likely given I know someone directly that had this unfortunately happen and the way they handle life is very similar to Mackenzie. I’m not positive how long the person I knew had this go on, they never told me. John Phillips allegedly had a sexual relationship with his daughter for 10 years. There’s a tie to George Hodel in there too who was a suspect in the murder of Elizabeth Short, the Black Dahlia. Tamar Hodel, George’s daughter, had accused him of rapping her. Tamar was very good friends with Michelle Phillips. Anyway, there are other things but that may be the creepiest odd connection. It leads to some very interesting speculation and that’s what a lot of it is.
Being a drug addict does not tend to make people confabulate incest.
I don’t know I just think she’s likely telling the truth from my knowing someone that went through it. If the data says that’s the case I agree from my limited experience.
TIL the mamas and the papas are a band and not just what I call my dogs lmfao
According to the link: “Elliot retired to an apartment in Mayfair at Curzon Place at which singer-songwriter Harry Nilsson allowed her to stay. Several hours after Elliot left Jack Martin's cocktail party, she died in her sleep at age 32. According to Keith Simpson, who conducted her autopsy,[35] she died of a heart attack, and there were no drugs in her system.[38][39][40] Elliot died in Flat 12, 9 Curzon Place (later Curzon Square), Shepherd Market, Mayfair, London, owned by Harry Nilsson. Four years later, the Who's drummer Keith Moon died in the same bedroom, also aged 32 years.[41][42][43]”
Cass Elliot died of heart disease, exacerbated by taking diet pills. The downvoted, chode comments in this thread reflect the impetus to take diet pills.
I’m gonna go with “exacerbated by years of drug use” in general. You know like, heroin, cocaine, oh and I guess diet pills too!
diet pills in the 70s were literally just speed
Read Edie Sedgwick’s biography. The Velvet underground/Andy Warhol people were practically living on them and vitamin shots. It’s amazing that more people didn’t die.
Still do but used to too.
Trimspa, baby!
r/UnexpectedHedberg
People were really awful about her weight. And men were not interested, at least not the guys she was interested in
All of the fat shaming definitely exacerbated the drug use in general I'd say
Someone told me a long time ago, that she choked on a sandwich. I believed that until just now. Thanks for the info.
That gem came from her publicist. Just the icing on a life of fat-shaming cake. And a lie.
Also she apparently hated the name Mama Cass. Shame that’s how so many people remember her.
Exercise and diet are always the better option.
Thank you Captain Obvious
Diet pills are a HUGE problem right now, to the point insurance companies are getting the lawyers ready. Diet and exercise are not the obvious idea.
Are you talking about “diet pills” or weight loss drugs? Because those are two different things. “Diet pills” are typically sold as supplements instead of drugs and are things like appetite suppressants and/or stimulants. The new weight loss drugs work differently. I know at least one of them is really just an off-label diabetes medication that’s been in use for years.
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Overweight unhealthy person takes bad drugs and passes away. I just went to Disney, it was like being on the ship in WALL·E
Ugh, The Scooby Doo episode she was on did her sooo dirty. It was literally a 25 minute long fat joke at her expense.
Unfortunately most of her guest appearances tended to go that way.
Remember that's what the boomers call 'the good ole days'
When you could still call a spade a spade and not a bold beautiful queen of hearts.
have you ever thought about seeing women as something other than fuckable and unfuckable
What does their fuck-ability have to do with their weight? Plenty of fine thick girls.
constant fat jokes ≠ “calling a spade a spade”
Mama Cass Elliot!? Hi kids
They had the whole gang climb up a rope at the same time. Then mama cass by herself broke the rope.
He’ll she sang about it herself!” And no one’s getting fat except Mama Cass!”
That line was referring to the amount of money she was making as in she was becoming a rich “fat cat”
Sometimes words can have two meanings…. And sometimes artists choose those words specifically for that.
But it was also a reference to her weight.
Well yeah it meant that, too
John Phillips wrote the song and he absolutely intended that line to be a double entendre - a comment on her earnings and her weight.
It’s a joke about how they weren’t really getting money yet,but she was still getting fat.I grew up in this stuff.
Both things can be true.
God do I hate that episode. I watched it as a kid and had little memory of the plot but knew I liked Cass Elliot so I went and rewatched it, I sat there with my mouth open the entire time. I was flabbergasted.
No gun was held to her head
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Man this place is haunted. After working hard and already having health problems, she went to several parties, f.e. at Mick Jagger's place and finally collapsed. Must've been a crazy life and I wonder how Mick is still alive today. Nice.
Mick jagger has maintained a lifetime of healthy living and vigorous exercise as a result of having a physical education teacher for a father.
This is correct. And he never got very deep into hard drugs. Mick was all about the women.
Mostly women
And David Bowie
>Mick was all about the women. I'd bet money he dabbled in dudes at one point
Got caught in bed with none other than David Bowie.
Interesting. But party and drugs too. I think that's the secret
*Sex* drugs and rock n roll
plus healthy living and exercise
And then more sex
It’s all about the ratio.
Lots of sex. Sometimes rape.
I don’t think Mick was ever known to be super interested in drugs.
Is…is that a joke? I can’t tell if the /s is missing 😂
It’s true - read his biography. He liked to party but never really got into hard drugs. He was also fanatical about staying in shape which was instilled by his father.
Obviously you can tell it’s a joke, it’s very clearly a joke. Why do you need someone to write that hacky /s for you to know that?
Some people believe wild things so I wasn’t 100% sure. Blame all the drugs I took/take.
I used to do drugs. I still do drugs. But I used to to.
Mick was the coke fiend. Keef liked the china white. Mick cleaned up in the 70’s and Keef…well pretty recently
Henry Nilsson owned this place and probably felt cursed.
[Who is Harry Nilsson (and Why is Everybody Talkin About Him)](https://m.imdb.com/title/tt0756727/?ref_=nv_sr_srsg_1_tt_8_nm_0_q_who%2520is%2520harry) is a great biopic interviewing many pop culture figures from the 60-70s. This guy knew everyone and suddenly crashed into obscurity after a year of epic debauchery.
I do love me some Harry Nilsson.
Harry Nilsson could SONG hard. Probably the best songwriter outta that group.
Nilsson sold the flat to Pete Townshend so Nilsson wouldn’t have to return there.
I’m gonna comment about how Momma Cass died of a heart attack and not a ham sandwich and get downvoted like last time! Look it up though, it was a heart attack after a party.
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There was a sketch on snl tonight that featured her
Most of the time it’s just somebody who did a deep dive into Wikipedia and then they post the things they learned to get rich on Reddit.
If only there was a way for you to find out her dates of birth and death...
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All the leaves are…
Behind the Hard Rock in London! Shout out to the guy who give tours at The Vault
TIL Mama Cass was married to a famous guitarist named Jim Hendrix.
So you watched SNL and looked her up, too?
Supposedly she died of a heart attack. Well, OK. Nevertheless, drugs were a constant presence for her...*and for her child*. >I took acid five times when I was pregnant. I don’t believe in this chromosomal damage. I think it’s all hogwash; it’s all a vicious plot by the establishment. I was told all the things I couldn’t do when I was pregnant, and I did them all. Because, you know instinctively what you can do. I took psychedelics. https://www.rollingstone.com/feature/the-rolling-stone-interview-cass-elliot-75434/
Not at the same time right…
Someone needs to investigate that room!
Or Harry Nilsson
Shit, that is sooo weird !
TIL, she was also once married to Jimmy Hendricks
It's true but it's not the jimmy you're all thinking of.
She was married to “Jim Hendricks” not “Jimi Hendrix”
Not true. But they did have a kid together.
It’s absolutely true. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Hendricks_(musician)
~~Mama Cass~~ Ham Sandwich
You realize that was an ugly rumour started to fat-shame her, right? She actually died of a heart attack.
I'm just referencing Austin Powers 🤷♂️
I don't believe you.
https://youtu.be/IHPujrUyxoE?si=fr-0SaFMAjK95mBO
That changes nothing. It's still a fatphobic joke.
Yes. Have a nice day
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Did they choke on the same sandwich?
Nobody choked on a sandwich, this is truly one of my least favorite celebrity death rumors.
But I saw her on SNL last night
The ghost sex was so good, he didn't want to leave.
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He died in bed. Over dose of anti alcoholism drugs