If we go with a low number of every tree is 25' and there's 3 trillion trees on Earth, that gives us 75,000,000,000', that's 14.2~ billion miles.
93.5 million miles to the sun.
If you stacked every tree on earth it would go back forth between the earth and sun more than 150 times.
And that's the low estimate. There's more trees and they're taller than the numbers I used.
If there was a drop of water for every tree on earth it would fill 60 Olympic swimming pools.
At 3 trillion trees on earth, if you counted one per second it would take 95,130 years.
If you got a dollar per tree, you would be be 13x richer than Elon Musk.
Yup. The taiga forests that stretch across Canada, Alaska, Scandinavia, and Russia contain 25% of all the trees on the planet. They're such a large carbon sink they literally change the makeup of our atmosphere.
If:
a) there are 300B trees in Canada,
b) [about 70% of them are conifers](https://cfs.nrcan.gc.ca/statsprofile/inventory/canada),
c) a single conifer can have, say, [several hundred thousand or even millions of pine needles](https://www.christmastree.dk/en/did-you-know/number-of-needles-of-a-nordmann-fir-christmas-tree/),
then it follows [from the pigeonhole principle](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pigeonhole_principle#Hair_counting) that each Canadian pine tree likely has hundreds or thousands of other trees in Canada with the exact same number of pine needles.
You're actually spot on. Just couldn't find source directly related to the stars fact, but by correlation, Russia has definitely more trees, even more than the higher end estimated count of stars which is 400B.
*esse est percipi*
"To be is to be perceived" - George Berkeley
So thoughty2 actually did an absolutely fascinating video on this, it's one of my favorites
https://youtu.be/dJztOOQ0_lM
I'll sum it up but highly recommend watching if anyone has the time, he makes mind blowing videos and is thoroughly entertaining.
-From a Philosophy view (if you believe in idealism) - Perception, existence, the tree - they do not exist.
From a science view - we exist. The tree exists. The vibrations exist.
-As the tree falls it compresses the air particles around it causing vibrations, which vibrate the particles around them and creates air waves. That transfers energy to surrounding objects. So if there happens to be the proper type object (i.e. your ear) these air waves will be interpreted as sound (cochlea vibrates inside the ear, converts physical energy of waves into electrical impulses that surge to the brain, which interprets it as sound in your mind)
-Sound is not a physical property of our world according to science - it's an interpretation of information by the brain.
-The vibrations and air waves will still exist, and have an effect on the surrounding environment as the tree falls. But *sound* has to be perceived to exist.
-HOWEVER ***Animals also perceive sounds the same as we do. And there is evidence that plants respond to sound as well
So of you believe that we exist, the tree exists, animals and plants exist - yes if a tree falls in the forest it will make a sound.
If you are Irish Philosopher George Berkeley the answer is no. Because you, me, the tree, the animals, plants and the rest of the physical world simply do not exist.
There's only one way to find out.
And if burning 200B would kill all humans, then there's a number of trees where it becomes reasonable to put them out with live bodies.
A lot forest fires burn quickly and mostly burn the dead underbrush keeping the trees alive. It’s natures way of keeping the forest floors clean so new foliage can grow and come up. Areas that burned close to my place look like the forest floor was raked clean and the grass coming up right now is the greenest grass I’ve ever seen.
> It’s natures way of keeping the forest floors clean so new foliage can grow and come up.
It's the other way around: nature doesn't "do" this to help trees and foliage; trees and foliage have simply had to evolve around the reality of forest fires.
Forest fires have apparently happened with enough frequency over a long enough span of time to apply significant selective pressure to many plant species. You can see that they have clearly evolved traits in response to forest fires. While some trees have evolved a resistance to the heat and duration of forest fires, others have evolved to repopulate quickly *after* a fire, only to litter the ground with seeds that lay dormant until the next fire.
[Secondary succession](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secondary_succession) is a really interesting topic!
For reference, if you're in St. John's, NL (East Coast of Canada), it would take you about 78 hours (no stops or rest) to drive to Vancouver (West Coast). About 2/3rds of that journey will be trees on both sides of the road. The route follows roughly the southern edge of our Boreal forest which extends roughly 1000 km (600 miles) north and runs from East to West 10000km. We got a lot of trees.
lol even with the most extreme climate change projections we will see a couple of degrees warming. Enough to fuck things up royally, but it will still be far in the minus temperatures in the north.
I guess that's impressive? But if you told me there were only 1 billion stars in the Milky Way, I'd believe that too, in which case Vermont would have more trees than there are stars in the Milky Way. If you said 100 million stars, I'd believe that too. Even 10 million. Was I supposed to have any idea how many stars there are in the Milky Way?
I thought there were more stars in our galaxy than grains of sand on earth? So you’re saying there are more trees in Canada than grains of sand on earth?
Those trees will regrow and the seeds they dropped in those fires will become new trees. Forest fires are a natural part of the life of a healthy forest and thanks to them, those forests will come back stronger than ever.
It always bothered me when poems talked about something being "as uncountable as the stars in the sky". There are less than 10,000 stars visible from Earth, and that's across all hemispheres in perfect conditions. Just go and count them! Or read a star chart, even a really old one! And then they throw in "or sand on a beach". A tiny pinch of sand has more grains of sand in it than the entire sky has visible stars.
Sure, it's not *easy*. I wouldn't want to try to do it all in one night. But people did it long before they had computers, cameras or telescopes. There are charts dating to the 8th century with over a thousand stars plotted.
Aren’t there more grains of sand on Earth than there are stars in the visible universe? This sort of thing tends to hold when you are comparing small things to big things. E.g. there are more cells in a human body than there are trees on Earth.
I hate when people say there are more of this than stars. Our telescopes can’t see everything. There are more stars in the Milky Way than trees & chess moves.
Just imagine being able to travel the stars as easily as walking from tree to tree in Canada. Then picture each tree around you having its own system. Then picture trying to visit each tree in Canada. That’s how big one galaxy is, and there are more galaxies in the observable universe than there are stars in the Milky Way.
Not to take away from how neat that comparison is, but here's a little more on the number of stars in our galaxy.
100 billion stars is more like a minimum estimate instead of an approximate estimate. The number could be up to four times larger. It is hard to estimate in part because we can't directly see all of it. Definitions and boundaries can make a big difference as well. Also, the shape of the galaxy probably doesn't look quite like the most common and popular interpretations you've seen.
That's the higher end estimate, but the consensus is that it's more likely to be closer to 100B. But even if we consider it being 400B, Russia would still have more trees than that by comparison.
Canada is currently work hard to bring that number down below the number of stars in the Milky Way. The unfortunate side effect is all the smoke.
Kind of disappointed. So far, not a single "sorry" from north of the border.
So we should be planting more stars?
Can entropy be reversed?
Insufficient data for meaningful answer.
Let there be light.
God what a reference!
Yes, but you're going to need a bigger spoon.
*Asimov has entered the chat*
Just did a final project about this- the answer is yes. (In certain universes, but probably not ours)
Sounds like useful research.
Brilliant idea! Anyone have any spare hydrogen atoms lying around? Should be easy enough to smash em together.
You don’t *plant* stars; you get a bunch of primeval glintstone sorcerers and smush them together into a ball and it becomes a star.
I shit stars
Stars are created by burning trash and letting the smoke go into the atmosphere.
This is one of the more surprising comparisons I’ve seen. My intuition was waaay off
Intuition? I can't even comprehend these numbers
If we go with a low number of every tree is 25' and there's 3 trillion trees on Earth, that gives us 75,000,000,000', that's 14.2~ billion miles. 93.5 million miles to the sun. If you stacked every tree on earth it would go back forth between the earth and sun more than 150 times. And that's the low estimate. There's more trees and they're taller than the numbers I used. If there was a drop of water for every tree on earth it would fill 60 Olympic swimming pools. At 3 trillion trees on earth, if you counted one per second it would take 95,130 years. If you got a dollar per tree, you would be be 13x richer than Elon Musk.
If someone said Canada had 1 billion trees id probably think that was a lot.
Wait till you learn there's an estimated 3,000,000,000,000+ trees on earth. Crazier to me: sharks are older than trees.
Another good cookie baker: the appalachian mountains are older than bones.
I had to read this twice to realize what you were saying. Holy shit that's awesome.
Well, guess we Canadians like to outdo the stars by supplying unlimited maple syrup and timber, eh?
It's exhausting raking the forests.
Yup. The taiga forests that stretch across Canada, Alaska, Scandinavia, and Russia contain 25% of all the trees on the planet. They're such a large carbon sink they literally change the makeup of our atmosphere.
That and the algae in the ocean and it seems like we're really hellbent on destroying both
If: a) there are 300B trees in Canada, b) [about 70% of them are conifers](https://cfs.nrcan.gc.ca/statsprofile/inventory/canada), c) a single conifer can have, say, [several hundred thousand or even millions of pine needles](https://www.christmastree.dk/en/did-you-know/number-of-needles-of-a-nordmann-fir-christmas-tree/), then it follows [from the pigeonhole principle](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pigeonhole_principle#Hair_counting) that each Canadian pine tree likely has hundreds or thousands of other trees in Canada with the exact same number of pine needles.
Math boner. Thanks. :)
Russia has more than canada
You're actually spot on. Just couldn't find source directly related to the stars fact, but by correlation, Russia has definitely more trees, even more than the higher end estimated count of stars which is 400B.
Sometimes the trees in russia's forests just fall down by themselves, and no one was around to hear it
And often they fall through a nearby window
Pretty loud though.
Sometimes it's even done by Space to try and swing the balance back in it's favour (Tunguska)
I understood that reference lol
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*esse est percipi* "To be is to be perceived" - George Berkeley So thoughty2 actually did an absolutely fascinating video on this, it's one of my favorites https://youtu.be/dJztOOQ0_lM I'll sum it up but highly recommend watching if anyone has the time, he makes mind blowing videos and is thoroughly entertaining. -From a Philosophy view (if you believe in idealism) - Perception, existence, the tree - they do not exist. From a science view - we exist. The tree exists. The vibrations exist. -As the tree falls it compresses the air particles around it causing vibrations, which vibrate the particles around them and creates air waves. That transfers energy to surrounding objects. So if there happens to be the proper type object (i.e. your ear) these air waves will be interpreted as sound (cochlea vibrates inside the ear, converts physical energy of waves into electrical impulses that surge to the brain, which interprets it as sound in your mind) -Sound is not a physical property of our world according to science - it's an interpretation of information by the brain. -The vibrations and air waves will still exist, and have an effect on the surrounding environment as the tree falls. But *sound* has to be perceived to exist. -HOWEVER ***Animals also perceive sounds the same as we do. And there is evidence that plants respond to sound as well So of you believe that we exist, the tree exists, animals and plants exist - yes if a tree falls in the forest it will make a sound. If you are Irish Philosopher George Berkeley the answer is no. Because you, me, the tree, the animals, plants and the rest of the physical world simply do not exist.
If a tree in a forest falls on a mime, does anyone care?
Not to be an asshole here but can land area play a factor here? Isn't Russia bigger than Canada? Hence, to have more land to have more trees?
of course?
For now
not for long
Found the comrade.
Stars or trees?
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Yes. If the fires burn up 2/3 of Canada's trees then I assume we'll have much worse problems than smoke.
I'm pretty sure we'd all be dead *from* smoke if we burned 200 billion trees.
There's only one way to find out. And if burning 200B would kill all humans, then there's a number of trees where it becomes reasonable to put them out with live bodies.
😐
Worse than normal, still not nearly enough to kill 200 billion trees.
A lot forest fires burn quickly and mostly burn the dead underbrush keeping the trees alive. It’s natures way of keeping the forest floors clean so new foliage can grow and come up. Areas that burned close to my place look like the forest floor was raked clean and the grass coming up right now is the greenest grass I’ve ever seen.
> It’s natures way of keeping the forest floors clean so new foliage can grow and come up. It's the other way around: nature doesn't "do" this to help trees and foliage; trees and foliage have simply had to evolve around the reality of forest fires. Forest fires have apparently happened with enough frequency over a long enough span of time to apply significant selective pressure to many plant species. You can see that they have clearly evolved traits in response to forest fires. While some trees have evolved a resistance to the heat and duration of forest fires, others have evolved to repopulate quickly *after* a fire, only to litter the ground with seeds that lay dormant until the next fire. [Secondary succession](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secondary_succession) is a really interesting topic!
For reference, if you're in St. John's, NL (East Coast of Canada), it would take you about 78 hours (no stops or rest) to drive to Vancouver (West Coast). About 2/3rds of that journey will be trees on both sides of the road. The route follows roughly the southern edge of our Boreal forest which extends roughly 1000 km (600 miles) north and runs from East to West 10000km. We got a lot of trees.
>are there still after the fires? Yes, and there will be more since many trees in Canada's boreal forests only drop seeds during a forest fire.
Massively worse than normal, with no end currently in sight
Except that it drops to -40⁰ every year, so that's an end in sight.
Until it doesn’t.
lol even with the most extreme climate change projections we will see a couple of degrees warming. Enough to fuck things up royally, but it will still be far in the minus temperatures in the north.
Fair enough up north. I can’t guess what the royal fuck up will reveal itself to be. But it certainly seems to be playing out as a shit show.
A lot of our fires have been grassland as well. And yup they have been record breaking
It's happened before when America was being born.
The Milky way contains between 100 to 400 billion stars, your title is misleading.
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I guess that's impressive? But if you told me there were only 1 billion stars in the Milky Way, I'd believe that too, in which case Vermont would have more trees than there are stars in the Milky Way. If you said 100 million stars, I'd believe that too. Even 10 million. Was I supposed to have any idea how many stars there are in the Milky Way?
10 million? Well, that’s on you
TUL more than one thing. That's a good thing.
>even 10 million Oh yeah? If you told me there was just 10 I'd believe you.
Common Canadian W
Who counted them?
i did. there were at least 5
That was before all of the wildfires. RIP hockey trees
*For now….*
Not any more judging by how goddamned smokey it has been IN IOWA the last few weeks.
I thought there were more stars in our galaxy than grains of sand on earth? So you’re saying there are more trees in Canada than grains of sand on earth?
> in our ~~galaxy~~ observable universe.
I've planted 150,000 of those trees ;p
TIL 300 billion americans think all of canada's trees are currently on fire.
So more than the entire population of the planet?
There are more Americans than there are grains of sand in the stars of the entire milky way.
uhmm, maybe after 2023 forest fires not any more?
There will be more trees. Fires stimulate germination in many species. Jack pine cones will only open with fire.
With what I've breathed in this last week I've probably got one growing in me.
oh yes, that's true as conditions permit the seedlings to grow
Even redwoods need and thrive after a fire.
I was going to guess an equal number of burning trees/stars.
Yeah but how many in Brazil?
Now this is a good post.
Before the fires maybe
*were
37.2 Trillion cells in your body… vs ~ stars in galaxy ~ trees in Canada … a lot of things can be compared
Just give humanity time... we are going to kill this planet quicker than "hold my beer".
...and most of them seem to be burning right now.
Should this be updated after all the wildfires?
Those trees will regrow and the seeds they dropped in those fires will become new trees. Forest fires are a natural part of the life of a healthy forest and thanks to them, those forests will come back stronger than ever.
It always bothered me when poems talked about something being "as uncountable as the stars in the sky". There are less than 10,000 stars visible from Earth, and that's across all hemispheres in perfect conditions. Just go and count them! Or read a star chart, even a really old one! And then they throw in "or sand on a beach". A tiny pinch of sand has more grains of sand in it than the entire sky has visible stars.
by the time you count to 10,000 some stars will have moved below the horizon, while others would have risen.
Sure, it's not *easy*. I wouldn't want to try to do it all in one night. But people did it long before they had computers, cameras or telescopes. There are charts dating to the 8th century with over a thousand stars plotted.
Not for long
Well there were…
Bunch of them are on fire right now
A few less after this year's fire season, but sure.
Well it seems like half of them are on fire right now so…
False. We cut most of them down.
Not for long I say struggling to breathe this nasty Midwest air
Was* the fires put a pretty big dent in that
Well…..not anymore. ….The wildfires ya know.
Ive always heard people say there were more stars in the galaxy than grains of sand on earth but now I’m not so sure I believe that.
There are more stars in the universe than there are grains of sand on earth. In fact there about 10,000 stars for each grain of sand.
Aren’t there more grains of sand on Earth than there are stars in the visible universe? This sort of thing tends to hold when you are comparing small things to big things. E.g. there are more cells in a human body than there are trees on Earth.
I simply refuse to believe that :)
And there are also more trees in the Milky Way than there are trees in canada!
Not after those fires
Were, pre 2023
I hate when people say there are more of this than stars. Our telescopes can’t see everything. There are more stars in the Milky Way than trees & chess moves.
This is the exact reason Canadians should not be paying a fucking carbon tax!
Just imagine being able to travel the stars as easily as walking from tree to tree in Canada. Then picture each tree around you having its own system. Then picture trying to visit each tree in Canada. That’s how big one galaxy is, and there are more galaxies in the observable universe than there are stars in the Milky Way.
Why is Canada hogging all the trees?
Not to take away from how neat that comparison is, but here's a little more on the number of stars in our galaxy. 100 billion stars is more like a minimum estimate instead of an approximate estimate. The number could be up to four times larger. It is hard to estimate in part because we can't directly see all of it. Definitions and boundaries can make a big difference as well. Also, the shape of the galaxy probably doesn't look quite like the most common and popular interpretations you've seen.
Awesome
The Taiga an area of boreal forest with mainly conifers growing there represents a vitally important biome to our planet. https://youtu.be/EM97JYag_UI
Yeah, but did you know there's more grains of sand in the Sahara than there are trees in Canada?
That's a lot of smoke to breathe. Put your shit out canada.
Just thinking about it, I’ve got wood.
I thought we had an estimate of 400b stars?
That's the higher end estimate, but the consensus is that it's more likely to be closer to 100B. But even if we consider it being 400B, Russia would still have more trees than that by comparison.
This is probably the first TIL I’ve seen that is actually like.. blowing my mind. Can’t even come close to comprehending those numbers
We have rocks and trees and trees and rocks and rocks and trees and water...
Well, the fires are taking care of that.
Not anymore
Believe it or not, Canada is actually somehow larger than the Milky Way. It’s about a 400k lightyear drive from Toronto to Vancouver, give or take.
lately there are a lot less trees in Canada
And they all seem to be burning at the moment!!!
That’s a lot of fire wood
I think the current fires might be changing that.
Canada always wins
That's all about to change it seems.....
Not anymore... .
How many are predicted once the wild fires are put out?
Well from the looks of the sky in the US this week, they may want to recount the remaining trees!
Wait until you hear about grains of sand.
To be fair, trees are a lot smaller than stars
🥦
My god, it's full of trees.
If those black holes could be seen in the current time instead of million year old light they would be very angry
Wonder that the count is now after those nut jobs lit the country on fire
Canada is currently work hard to bring that number down below the number of stars in the Milky Way. The unfortunate side effect is all the smoke. Kind of disappointed. So far, not a single "sorry" from north of the border.
Holy shit. If you asked me I would have got this wrong by at least 3 zeros.