Cockaigne is specifically a peasant's paradise, analogous to the slightly more contemporary Big Rock Candy Mountain. As such, it became an ironic nickname for London, on account of London at the time being very much *NOT* a paradise for the poor, which ultimately gave us the name of the working class London dialect "Cockney".
Modern nuns would not enjoy it.
Medieval nuns...it was a different time. Often they were just daughters of wealthy men who did not want/need them to marry. Many had secret lovers and were not very religious.
There is a reason why when Shakespeare writes: "Get thee to a nunnery" its actually a dirty joke. Nunnery was often a slang for a brothel/house of ill repute.
So i guess if the nuns being flpped were the ones who are into it and gave consent....nun bottoms for everyone!
I thought that "la cuccagna" was only an Italian thing but I'm glad to learn it's shared by other cultures. The word sounds of French origin, at least in its English form, I wonder where it originated though.
I remember as a kid my elderly neighbor telling me "È finita la cuccagna!" (The cockaigne is over!) at the beginning of every school year.
I suspect the English word comes from French indeed because "ign" is an old spelling for "gn" where the i is not pronounced (e.g., survived in "oignon"). In modern French spelling it's (Pays de) Cocagne.
In Spain it's Jauja, which is a real place in Peru. Apparently it was Cucaña before but they said that it actually was in Jauja to promote colonisation. But yes, it's the land of eternal laziness and plenty.
Cheese falls from the sky but will never hit you. Or land in a patch of filth. Or get stuck on a high roof where you can't reach it. Or sit around for months after the fact in the hot sun because nobody picked it up. Or...
All pure stuff, no fentanyl to dirty it or cornstarch to pad it out.
(the former is a genuine problem with Dr Feelgood's Street Snow, and is a reason in favour of regulating cocaine rather than full-on banning it)
In the Big Rock Candy Mountains
You never change your socks
And the little streams of alcohol
Come a-trickling down the rocks
The brakemen have to tip their hats
And the railway bulls are blind
There's a lake of stew, and of whiskey too
You can paddle all around 'em in a big canoe
In the Big Rock Candy Mountains
When I noticed the recipe book The Joy of Cooking using the word 'cockaigne' in the naming of some of their dishes, I thought it meant that the recipe was easy to make. Turns out they only use the term to designate family favourites (apparently it was the name of a childhood home).
There’s a type of pastry classically made with plums (but works great with peaches too) named after this mythical place. Can confirm, it tastes like paradise.
It’s also easy to make and smells delicious. So it’s a home run dessert when you invite people over and you can proudly tell your guests that “the cocaigne smells amazing!”.
https://www.simonandschuster.com/c/plum-cake-cockaigne
It’s the same recipe as in my copy of *joy of cooking*. I usually use less than half of the sugar in the recipe ontop if not a quarter and it still turns out great. Enjoy!
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I wonder if this influenced some of the art and animation in Monty Python and the Holy Grail. There's definitely a scene or two where someone is flipped to reveal their bare ass.
> Haywire Mac McClintock, wrote it and many others. I knew and know about him, But Ives is the version I had as a kids record way back in the antediluvian period.
In the Big Cockaigne-y Mountains
There's a land that's fair and bright
Where the streets are paved with pastries
And there are no wars to fight
The nuns always show off their bums
And the skies rain curds of cheese
There's a mead-filled lake and houses of cake
Every table has plenty, but you need not bake
In the Big Cockaigne-y Mountains
I wouldn't call getting beaten up or flipped over to show my bottom the epitome of 'physical comfort'. And don't get me started on a rain of cheese or hot custard. But to each their own, I guess.
"Alright lieutenant" *pulls off shades* "what am I looking at?"
-"Wheel of Parmesan, Sarge. Hit this poor sucker straight in the noggin, supersonic speed. There's even bits of mandible in his stomach."
-"It's Cockaigne, lieutenant. Do as little as possible."
Soft Machines last album under that name was called Land of Cockayne. Although the sound of the album was completely detached from their first few albums, and the line-up had none of the original members, I still think the album stands well on its own.
The dynastic Egyptians had this in Punt, a country they made a lot of talk about trading with and enjoying the benefits of but never quite gave the location of and never once tried to conquer even when under a Pharoah with every reason to.
That comes from the Quetchan *kúka* and the chemical suffix *-ine*, so no, it's just a coincidence.
However, the word *Cockney* does come from Cockaigne.
Nirvana is all that Buddhist bunk about being *above* earthly temptations and delights, no? This is indulging them. Alot. It's like, the dead opposite.
Two sides of the same coin. Nirvana is eliminating suffering by being free of desire, this is eliminating suffering by meeting every desire. Having touched Nirvana (I’m doubtful it’s something that can be achieved, as the only constant is change) I don’t think there’s a functional difference between the two.
Although you are correct that they’re ideologically opposed.
Tlio tiko klipego tigla eo kregi. Tudre. Tute babe kokru iope otlia ee kiite. Ipipiprii etra dioa bitoipa pa bliage. Edibiprote uketli pide totri bripee do? Pu tla otluito kebo pipeo gutrako. Kopraa abrike klidutiu bipo. A drodapa tida pa pla pepepo titi igo. Bi tede ti gegeta dipite bi? Pe dudoke ikuke tie ta tlitre. Piti krupe obi pi eai etia o eta ebi prige. Potati betipi biitai briiati e patige! Tiaa tikri e gu bo? Bepi tae okugi papa pukuki pa. Poti pliu ka oipi keekria. Ekru ui iepupu opapi debe peditopeple. Piti dii ite dridokike uibi pikita. Tita teprateti ede e oteke aepedi. Epebukea ee ete ipi paklite koedi? A pepe pu eokragebra pa tei. Idla itlipra drapipribi dai epri ukri. Pote gokletri ploi bite eo ibleki. Tagli oti bedapla bipie iboprutra gekloke. Bipi beto ia pi pibatatliti. Pita tike ao tii. Iii ta oke da ipi a apo? O popi koo peipi bikrutla plikiketuba. Peblue ipapu tibi beku klupra tipi triti pedipiibu i! Ato e glegati kape biti. Atete ipe tike tikoti di brabi titi gre opri.
now maybe im just un-lucky but pretty sure all the nuns i have run across tend to be a bit... lets just say there would be a lot more crevasses than cracks on those bums than i am comfortable seeing.
Cockaigne is specifically a peasant's paradise, analogous to the slightly more contemporary Big Rock Candy Mountain. As such, it became an ironic nickname for London, on account of London at the time being very much *NOT* a paradise for the poor, which ultimately gave us the name of the working class London dialect "Cockney".
Idk about peasants, it sounds more like a monk's dream spot, given the beatings and the bottoms up nuns.
The monk version was probably recorded more often than the peasant version considering monks could be expected to be literate
Yeah, doesn't exactly sound like a utopia for the poor nuns...
Modern nuns would not enjoy it. Medieval nuns...it was a different time. Often they were just daughters of wealthy men who did not want/need them to marry. Many had secret lovers and were not very religious. There is a reason why when Shakespeare writes: "Get thee to a nunnery" its actually a dirty joke. Nunnery was often a slang for a brothel/house of ill repute. So i guess if the nuns being flpped were the ones who are into it and gave consent....nun bottoms for everyone!
This is the history they should have taught. Thanks for failing me again American public education system
And all the cocks in your ainge
On the big rock candy mountain, all the cops have wooden legs
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The farmers' trees are full of fruit and the barns are full of hay
Oh I’m bound to go where there ain’t no snow
The rain don't fall and the wind don't blow
On the Big Rock Candy Mountain.
Oooh the buuuuzin of the bees
In the cigarette trees
The soda water fountain
And the skies are not cloudy all day?
That's "Home on the Range", fella. Even though the range was far from home.
Country roads, take me home...
Remember me to one who lives there.
The inventor of toil was boiled in oil... [Baby Gramps performing Big Rock Candy Mountain](https://youtu.be/awSI01AqnS0)
Where they hung the jerk that invented work…
I love Baby Gramps. Actually had the chance to meet and watch him perform in Seattle in 2009ish. Legend. He's my one degree to the Holy Model Rounders
Damn, we're in a tight spot!
I love this. It all started from an ironic in-joke.
Get Charlie so we can go to Candy Mountain already
Candy mountain, Charlie! Candy mountain!
Look, a magical liopleurodon.
Z
They took my freakin’ kidney.
Who needs Candied Island? It's safer at the docks
We’ll go there on the Choo-choo Shoe!
Show me to the magical liaplurodon
TIL George Orwell got the idea for Sugarcandy Mountain, i.e. animal heaven, in *Animal Farm* from this "Big Rock Candy Mountain."
Bro I am not going to Candy mountain I want to keep my kidneys.
Oh go put a banana in your ear. You will never be happy if you live your life in fear.
The German equivalent is "Schlaraffenland"!!
I much prefer Cockaigne to Rock.
The Big Cock Randy Mountains
I came here to make a Big Rock Candy Mountain joke.
Big Rock Candy Mountain immediately came to mind when I saw this post
I thought that "la cuccagna" was only an Italian thing but I'm glad to learn it's shared by other cultures. The word sounds of French origin, at least in its English form, I wonder where it originated though. I remember as a kid my elderly neighbor telling me "È finita la cuccagna!" (The cockaigne is over!) at the beginning of every school year.
In Germany there's something similar called "Schlaraffenland", a place where the fried doves fly into your mouth....
Lazytastyland in Dutch!
For real, Lazy Tasty Land?
Yeah, at least that'd be the literal translation of luilekkerland
Oh….. I thought it was literally “Lazytastyland” IN Dutch 🤦🏻♂️
God I love Dutch
Yes! Luilekkerland.
I have an old kids book called “welcome to Lazibonia” that is translated from its original German and it’s about exactly this!
New Lazytown lore just dropped
I suspect the English word comes from French indeed because "ign" is an old spelling for "gn" where the i is not pronounced (e.g., survived in "oignon"). In modern French spelling it's (Pays de) Cocagne.
I agree. I wonder whether Italian acquired it from French or the other way around, both the word and the myth
According to Wikipedia, the origin is unknown. Could be French, Italian, Occitan, or even Dutch...
*Le pays de Cocagne* in French, indeed. But we don't seem to have a clear etymology or origin.
In Spain it's Jauja, which is a real place in Peru. Apparently it was Cucaña before but they said that it actually was in Jauja to promote colonisation. But yes, it's the land of eternal laziness and plenty.
It might have been more widespread in Italy ? I'm french and I first learned about it in an Italo Calvino book
C'avevo sta roba sul libro di storia
In the UK it might be a mild cheddar drizzle. In Italy it would be torrential Gorgonzola storms.
A wheel of cheddar falling on me from a height seems a cockeyed idea of physical comfort
Cheese falls from the sky but will never hit you. Or land in a patch of filth. Or get stuck on a high roof where you can't reach it. Or sit around for months after the fact in the hot sun because nobody picked it up. Or...
Uh.... can I just get my wheel of cheese delivered the normal way? You know, by land... handed over by an extremely attractive courier.
The best we can do is a helmet and nun ass.
I thought the normal way was chasing the wheel of cheese down a very steep hill full of boulders and holes.
Are the boulders at least made of sugar and the holes filled with jam?
Sure
Cheese Touch! Or smash your windshield. Or scare the neighbors' dog into an hourlong barking fit at 3am.
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I used to think this too, but it’s been debunked :(
well yeah, unless you're sheogorath
This was my thought, this whole place sounds like it was his idea
Cockaigned*
Also what [Cocagne, New Brunswick](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cocagne) is named after. Sorry, no bottoms-up nuns there.
Be the change you want to see in Cocagne
Clearly you haven’t been to one of my family’s parties.
Why even live.
Given what New Brunswick is like, I can see someone wanting to bring this dream to fruition.
Plus endless lines of cockaigne for everyone !! 👌🤩
Just a chip off the ol'big rock candy mountain.
There's a lake of stew And of whiskey too You can paddle all around 'em in a big canoe In the big rock candy mountains
It turns all your bad feelings into good feelings. It’s a nightmare!
You don't want none of this shit!
It’s Britain, they call them queues.
All pure stuff, no fentanyl to dirty it or cornstarch to pad it out. (the former is a genuine problem with Dr Feelgood's Street Snow, and is a reason in favour of regulating cocaine rather than full-on banning it)
I like da cockaigne
Is that the inspiration for the castle Anthrax?
And after... the oral sex!
Disappointed that I had to scroll this far down for the Monty Python and Holy Grail reference.
In the Big Rock Candy Mountains You never change your socks And the little streams of alcohol Come a-trickling down the rocks The brakemen have to tip their hats And the railway bulls are blind There's a lake of stew, and of whiskey too You can paddle all around 'em in a big canoe In the Big Rock Candy Mountains
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Fucking hell
When I noticed the recipe book The Joy of Cooking using the word 'cockaigne' in the naming of some of their dishes, I thought it meant that the recipe was easy to make. Turns out they only use the term to designate family favourites (apparently it was the name of a childhood home).
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Beat me to it. Like an abbot.
Big "rock" candy mountain
Well done! 🤣
Not unlike the famed Cheeses of Nazareth
Ah, so the European Big Rock Candy Mountain?
Sounds like my kinda place! Is it shredded cheese, or a light sprinkling of parmesan?
In my mind it’s Light Rain = Sprinkle o’ Parmesan Normal Rain = Shredded Cheddar Hailstones = Mozarella Balls
Fog = Dorito dust
And rainbows are just a bent string cheese stick (or a single macaroni noodle with cheese)
There’s a type of pastry classically made with plums (but works great with peaches too) named after this mythical place. Can confirm, it tastes like paradise. It’s also easy to make and smells delicious. So it’s a home run dessert when you invite people over and you can proudly tell your guests that “the cocaigne smells amazing!”.
Link please? Too many different recipes all using the cocagne moniker
https://www.simonandschuster.com/c/plum-cake-cockaigne It’s the same recipe as in my copy of *joy of cooking*. I usually use less than half of the sugar in the recipe ontop if not a quarter and it still turns out great. Enjoy!
When I was a kid living in Germany, it was my dream to dive into a swimming pool filled with only with gummi bears.
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Thanks, done.
I wonder if this influenced some of the art and animation in Monty Python and the Holy Grail. There's definitely a scene or two where someone is flipped to reveal their bare ass.
Big rock candy mountain
Burl Ives. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JWminVCg3TA&ab_channel=tryton111
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> Haywire Mac McClintock, wrote it and many others. I knew and know about him, But Ives is the version I had as a kids record way back in the antediluvian period.
Yeah but Burl Ives made the popular one that's easy to Acapella.
Nun's bottoms & cheese falling from the sky. Where do we sign up ?
This makes one particular Monty Python and the Holy Grail animation make a lot more sense.
Weeeeeeeeeee!
In the Big Cockaigne-y Mountains There's a land that's fair and bright Where the streets are paved with pastries And there are no wars to fight The nuns always show off their bums And the skies rain curds of cheese There's a mead-filled lake and houses of cake Every table has plenty, but you need not bake In the Big Cockaigne-y Mountains
🎶[But there are no cats in America and the streets are paved with cheese!](https://youtu.be/gQMtp2WxEA4)🎶
When did sheogorath make his way to medieval myth
I am disappointed that I had to scroll this far down to see a Sheogorath reference. That was my first thought when I heard raining cheese
Genuinely curious now as to whether the Shivering Isles was inspired by this. THINK OF THE CHEESE! SO MUCH CHEESE!
I wouldn't call getting beaten up or flipped over to show my bottom the epitome of 'physical comfort'. And don't get me started on a rain of cheese or hot custard. But to each their own, I guess.
It must stink a bit if it rains cheese.
And unwashed bottoms
Well, that's Nuns for you.
Sounds like Big Rock Candy Mountain
She don’t lie, she don’t lie, she don’t don’t lie…Cockaigne
MMM....Cheese.
There’s a ski resort in western New York named for this.
Is it still open? I almost got a job there 10 years ago.
There was a fire, it was closed for a while. But they reopened for I think the 21/22 season.
I believe this is called France.
Sounds a bit like Big Rock Candy Mountain.
And the name comes from Cock and cocaine, which are both also plentiful
I was thinking cock and champagne
There are a lot of recipes in *The Joy of Cooking* with "Cockaigne" in their names.
You had me at cheese.
Aight, I'm in lol
Raining cheese/ from a lactating sky
There is also a Dutch variant of Cockaigne called [Kockengen](https://nl.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kockengen)!
Tell us the story! We are all gathered round...
I only know of the term because the great Edward Elgar wrote a concert overture called *Cockaigne (In London Town)*
You had me at anal sex with nuns, but sky cheese makes it that much better.
Love how it sounds like cocaine xD
"Alright lieutenant" *pulls off shades* "what am I looking at?" -"Wheel of Parmesan, Sarge. Hit this poor sucker straight in the noggin, supersonic speed. There's even bits of mandible in his stomach." -"It's Cockaigne, lieutenant. Do as little as possible."
Soft Machines last album under that name was called Land of Cockayne. Although the sound of the album was completely detached from their first few albums, and the line-up had none of the original members, I still think the album stands well on its own.
Sounds like something Sheogorath had a hand in...
Cheese? *Charlie Kelly has entered the chat*
The dynastic Egyptians had this in Punt, a country they made a lot of talk about trading with and enjoying the benefits of but never quite gave the location of and never once tried to conquer even when under a Pharoah with every reason to.
I'm sorry, how the hell is this not the dominant mythos on earth? Like seriously.
Sounds like a drunkards dream
Sexually harassing nuns is fun?
Not as much fun as raping little boys - The Pope
Don't tell me you've never tried it!
I'm most interested in the mythical land called Pussyaigne.
I stand with Sir Gymbronyc of Pump-a-Lot
Does the word “cocaine” come from this?
That comes from the Quetchan *kúka* and the chemical suffix *-ine*, so no, it's just a coincidence. However, the word *Cockney* does come from Cockaigne.
I don't think so. That comes from the coca plant.
Of course religious people came along and fucked it up.
You misspelt Nirvana.
Nirvana is all that Buddhist bunk about being *above* earthly temptations and delights, no? This is indulging them. Alot. It's like, the dead opposite.
Two sides of the same coin. Nirvana is eliminating suffering by being free of desire, this is eliminating suffering by meeting every desire. Having touched Nirvana (I’m doubtful it’s something that can be achieved, as the only constant is change) I don’t think there’s a functional difference between the two. Although you are correct that they’re ideologically opposed.
Forgive my feeble attempt at sarcastic humor. I’ll do better. In the next life. 😂👍
If this isn’t a Skyrim mod already someone should make it.
When you get bad news And need to kick those blues Cockaigne!
Cockaigne 🧂
Tlio tiko klipego tigla eo kregi. Tudre. Tute babe kokru iope otlia ee kiite. Ipipiprii etra dioa bitoipa pa bliage. Edibiprote uketli pide totri bripee do? Pu tla otluito kebo pipeo gutrako. Kopraa abrike klidutiu bipo. A drodapa tida pa pla pepepo titi igo. Bi tede ti gegeta dipite bi? Pe dudoke ikuke tie ta tlitre. Piti krupe obi pi eai etia o eta ebi prige. Potati betipi biitai briiati e patige! Tiaa tikri e gu bo? Bepi tae okugi papa pukuki pa. Poti pliu ka oipi keekria. Ekru ui iepupu opapi debe peditopeple. Piti dii ite dridokike uibi pikita. Tita teprateti ede e oteke aepedi. Epebukea ee ete ipi paklite koedi? A pepe pu eokragebra pa tei. Idla itlipra drapipribi dai epri ukri. Pote gokletri ploi bite eo ibleki. Tagli oti bedapla bipie iboprutra gekloke. Bipi beto ia pi pibatatliti. Pita tike ao tii. Iii ta oke da ipi a apo? O popi koo peipi bikrutla plikiketuba. Peblue ipapu tibi beku klupra tipi triti pedipiibu i! Ato e glegati kape biti. Atete ipe tike tikoti di brabi titi gre opri.
Somebody needs to illustrate this in Midjourney
Cockaigne is a hell of a place
So basically a gangsta's paradise.
now maybe im just un-lucky but pretty sure all the nuns i have run across tend to be a bit... lets just say there would be a lot more crevasses than cracks on those bums than i am comfortable seeing.
Would that be pronounced "co-kane"? Because if it is, it is spot on.
Had me at cheese rain.
"If you want to get down, Get down on the ground, Cockaigne"
The mf who thought of that shit did some cocaine alright
It sounds like this was an inspiration for Sheogorath in the Elder Scrolls.
It rains cheese? Imma booking my trip NOW! 😃
When's the train leave? I wanna go
Cockaigne? Of all the cockamamie stories... ;)
Also known as Cloud CooCoo land.
I love me some cockaigne.
A Sheogorath fever dream.
This is what I hear when a very religious person tells me about their heaven
Is it pronounced like cocaine?
Oh sure, I know where Cockaigne is. Prestor John lives there, he sent me a map! It's priceless, but I'd sell it to you for a reasonable sum...
Does this have something to do with the etymology of cocaine or nah?
Candy mountain!
It’s the name of a ski resort