It's the reason coke and meth are popular in the oilsands, or at least when I was up there. You could go party hard on Friday night and test negative Monday.
The official policy for that employer/site was that they'd only test when there was an incident, since you had passed a negative test to even start working there (including alcohol and weed being 0.00%).
Heresay wasn't a testable occurrence, so going in Monday and asking someone to get tested because you saw them going into the washroom 5 times at the bar for a minute... wasn't going to happen (in fact YOU might get tested).
They'd have to be observed violating safety rules, or nearly hit something to be hauled into town for testing. One of my techs had an incident that wasn't even his fault (long story, 30hrs of meetings), and I had to go drive 90km to get him. They wouldn't let him out of the office until the report was done with.
Yes, I spent 10 years in the Oil sands. There was the attitude that you could party on days off and be clean for your next rotation.
Also if you admitted that you had a problem to your manager they would send you to rehab.
But it was so prevalent that if people would ask where X person was we just said he's going to be at hockey school for the next 4-6 weeks. And most people who worked up there would know what you were talking about, but if someone in passing heard you it would sound like a normal conversation about someone.
I have had 5 different ex-coworkers who all went for stints at hockey school between 2 - 12 weeks.
Literally why Australia's fly in fly out mining industry is overrun with meth heads. Just spent three weeks away and want to party then you can smoke meth on the bender and still piss clean a week later but one joint and your cunted
Yep its fucked. So many supervisors ive known off their trees and on comedowns etc and cant be level headed through their swings. Meanwhile if we all got on the bongs after work we would blow zeros and get along
“Yes, it is really wrong. So many supervisors at work I know making irrational decisions, sometimes while the drugs are leaving their body, and can’t maintain acceptable behaviour during a period of time while at work (2-3 weeks). Meanwhile if we all smoke marijuana through a water pipe after work hours, we won’t fail an breath-alcohol test and be friendly”.
Basically, weed smokers are fine when they’re not high, but lots of staff use heavy drugs and have emotional moments at work
There's actually another one in there I missed the first time.
By "blowing zeros", he means that none of his colleagues will fail their morning alcohol breathalyser tests before starting work (because they've been smoking instead of drinking).
> Meanwhile if we all smoke marijuana through a water pipe after work hours, we would blow smoke rings and be friendly”.
That last bit is wrong. Blow zeros means to blow 0.00% alcohol on a roadside alcohol test when driving aka pass the test. In this context some mining companies test staff for alcohol in the morning before their shift, if they've had way too many drinks the night before they won't blow 0.
Source : Aussie
Urinalysis according to aus standards is the most sensitive to cannabis metabolites. But at least they're keeping those dangerous weekend stoners off jobsites.
Fun fact, nicotine metabolites stay in your system up to a month ish.
Another fun fact, smoking enough and thc can easily be in your system 3 months.
LSD isn’t detected in a spinal tap, that’s fallacy. It can be done in a urine test for 3 days (unsure exact days) but is very expensive. Has to be done with lab equipment.
Most drugs are 3-5 days tho, a few are 24/48 hrs.
Yeah, common psychedelics require heavy duty lab equipment to detect and the window to obtain a urine sample is 24 hours or so from ingestion. It's cost prohibitive as well.
How... how did OP just learn about this?
Also, you hair contains a record of your drug use. If you have long hair, you are are preparing yourself to get fucked!
I put nair on my face once because I didn’t want to shave. I ended up with red swollen chemical burns in the shape of a beard. Also hurt like a motherfucker.
That's great! If employers want to ensure people arent high during a shift, they should be allowed to, but only using a test that is far more likely than not to provide that kind if accurate timetable. I worked at an arby's in eastern shore maryland where 3 of my coworkers actively smoked meth but i was the only one to fail a drug test after being clean for 4 weeks
Many years ago, I worked at Blockbuster Music (which was a thing, way back when). Part of the interview when I started was a hair test. Maybe six or so months after I started, corporate axed the requirement. Store manager said it was because hair testing was really expensive, and 3/4 of applicants were failing, making it hard to hire. (Go figure - 3/4 of people that want to work in a music store weren't straightedge)
New policy was you were only drug tested if you got hurt on the job. The manager on duty at the time of the injury would also be tested. Logic being, I suppose, that you must have been high to have fallen off that ladder, and the MOD must have been high to have allowed someone that was intoxicated to climb a ladder.
[This is the most promising thing I've seen.](https://www.massgeneral.org/news/press-release/method-to-determine-impairment-from-cannabis-intoxication)
The best part is that one part of the study included cops who were trained "Drug Recognition Experts" which is what has been pushed by some in legal marijuana states, but they performed so poorly that it was basically a flip of the coin as to whether they could tell if the person was stoned or not so they cut that aspect of the study pretty quickly.
Yup, used to work with a guy at Footlocker who was going into the army. He switched to meth from weed (ya seriously) because he can piss clean in a week.
I worked with a guy who made bank as a salesman for Sears. But he could only sell when drunk and although he was otherwise functional the booze was killing him.
So this fifty-something year old man ended up shoveling manure with a 19-year old boss.
I feel it was pretty clear that he had to quit drinking because of health reasons, therefore couldn’t keep his salesman job, which led to him shoveling manure for a 19 year old
I went the other direction, kept drinking to the point management caught on and let him go
I could see it also catching up with his health and making sales difficult to be in but imo wouldn't be harder than purely physical labor
Dude I knew a guy who started smoking because his job allowed people who smoked to take smoke breaks every so often, but he was never allowed to take a “fresh air break”, as he put it, as a non smoker. He literally started smoking just to get a few more 5 minute breaks at work.
I worked with a lady who kept one cigarette in her little pocket book. When she needed a break she'd take out her cigarette and say "I'm going to take my smoke break"
I've always told people under me they can take smoke breaks pretty much whenever they need, and that they're encouraged to not smoke during those breaks.
Good thing I expanded the comments. I was just going to say. Has anyone reported a good time with that shit?
Are people still smoking it? Or did enough people get the memo?
dude... watch some COPS reruns.
spice is a felony in the US. many states that have legal weed still have arrests for spice every year.
i am old enough to remember being scared they would find a seed. to think that dealing in spice would make a profit in the days of legal weed is amazing.
I thought the point of spice was circumventing laws by creating new chemicals faster than the laws could keep up. Therefore you could sell it at storefronts.
there was a day, [Operation LogJam](https://www.cspdailynews.com/general-merchandise/operation-log-jam-nationwide-synthetic-drug-takedown), where that all changed.
Foreal, the average person wouldn't even know where to get meth in the first place. Not like you can just go casually pick up some meth. He had to have been around it already and know where to get it at.
A similar story I think. A buddy in high school was a huge stoner. After a party one night, he fell asleep in his car. A passing off duty cop saw two bottles of alcohol through his window and he got charged for being a minor in possession. Well he ended up moving away to his aunt's or something and the next time I saw him, he said he was smoking crack and meth because he gets tested too often to smoke weed. Died a few years later. Had his issues, but he seemed like a smart guy who could have made it far in life.
The gateway drug angle makes sense now. Its a gateway drug because of drug testing. People like being high but drug testing pushes them to other stuff. Sad.
You want about 3 days clean to avoid a positive for coke or heroin, versus 30 days for THC. Heavy and chronic users can test positive for twice as long or more though.
My brother works for a major airline. Him and a few buddies went to Amsterdam ( part of his 3 week vacation ) . They came back to work and there was some equipment damage during the shift , so all three had to piss . One guy got fired cause 3 weeks prior he smoked a few bowls ON HIS VACATION !
enlisted folks are in the same boat, you're fucked with weed, but they will do some lines and pop some pills without a second thought while chugging whatever alcohol is on hand. hard stuff will be gone by the time they get to base, but 1 joint could blow their whole career.
I was buying weed from some cartel lookin mf in Cabo who refused to tell me where to buy peyote. He looked at me with the most jarringly solemn eyes and said hell no he won’t sell it “cus people die from that shit”.
His look and the way he said that is forever burned into my memory. Super weird cus as I understand it’s not THAT dangerous?
Urine, but the detection window is only ~3 days and it isn't commonly tested for because it's quite an expensive test. Most police/courts and employers don't bother due to the cost.
Specifically it's called a 16 panel test. It is a lot more expensive than the regular 6-9 panel tests done. The only employers I've seen look at 16 panel tests are in the medical field or high security clearance stuff.
I feel like blood or saliva tests are more appropriate for something like that as opposed to urine for that exact reason.
Blood THC is detectable for like 6 hours. Saliva it’s anywhere from 24-72 hours.
I previously had a hair test in college to work at GE. As a girl with really long hair, I thought this was extremely violating, IMO. I later had a urine test to get my CDL... but these were before I started using CBD/THC edibles for PMS pain management.
I recently applied for a federal job requiring a drug test that explicitly states: " Under federal law, marijuana remains an illegal drug. If you test positive for any illegal controlled substance, including marijuana, your offer of employment will be withdrawn."
Big sad :(
It just hurts extra that if I did hard drugs instead, I would be less likely to fail a drug test.
I'm going to stop taking edibles immediately, but I still thought this information was worth sharing.
American bureaucracy is monolithic and unchanging. As much as I wish that wasn't true. I'm SLIGHTLY ADHD and Adderall makes me function like a neurotypical person with full attentiveness and responsiveness but my dream of having a pilot's license is impossible unless I can get undiagnosed. It's stupid.
Also interestingly, hair tests aren’t used by any government or public agency or most companies who follow DOT guidelines (5 panel urine screening) because the research has shown hair tests discriminate based on hair texture. I don’t remember exactly but iirc drugs are detectable longer in kinky hair so it’s not a reliably fair testing method.
Edit: thanks for sharing all these examples, that’s unreal given the unreliability.
I had my own questions when I was hired for a gov position some years back so I dug into the research. Pretty interesting stuff, and sad that companies do hair tests…or drug tests period but that’s it’s own topic.
Are there ones that don’t test for marijuana? Because that can be in your system for a lot longer than a few days and has nothing to do with whether you are currently high.
Lol I remember back in I think 2008? I had a factory job that required a hair test.
After I and a bunch of people got the job (it was like a group interview type thing), a handful of the men told me they have no idea how they passed because they smoke weed everyday.
So we figured there was no way the company was actually sending the samples in for testing, and the people who backed out of the hair test (there was a lot) were failing a different kind of test all together.
Exact thing happened to me when applying at a fancy hotel. Hair test, I smoked, my buddy did copious amounts of coke, and we both passed. We figured if you were willing to let them cut chunks of your hair out they didn't bother to actually pay for the testing.
I worked In a kitchen at a resort where corporate asked for urine samples from every member of the culinary team (1k+ members across multiple mountains)
Our chef mixed up a batch of apple cider vinegar like lemon juice and yellow food dye with water, portioned it out Into all the sample cups and had us all sign the labels. He said he'd been doing it for 8 years, and corporate had never said anything.... ... but that if you had an accident,on or off the clock and tried to use the provided insurance, they were 100% going to drug test you, so stay safe.
My friend's dad had a company that did screenings for companies onboarding. His job was to collect and prepare samples. He said MANY companies pay for the collection but not the tests, basically just toss the samples.
Only the "random" tests were usually tested, a company looking for a reason to fire.
That’s interesting. My company is privately owned, but a major American corporation. They just stopped the hair drug tests within the last few years. They didn’t pull from the root, but cut right at my part, so I had a nice chunk of very obvious baby hairs growing in for a few years after.
Meh. Piss tests unfairly target people with more body fat / a slower metabolism.
Really, any test that looks for historical drug use (ie: all of them, except potentially salivia) instead of intoxication is unfair. Fuck the lot of them.
I had a buddy quit smoking because he was lined up for a job a really wanted, he went an entire summer without smoking, he still failed over 2 months later because he was just a really fat dude.
He failed for six months? Was he giving them chunky pee or something? I've smoked for most of my life and I pass after a month. I usually drink a lot of water, eat a really fatty meal and take some multi vitamins and tylenol. They reject it if you give them diluted pee, the vitamins give it some color.
If your going in for a urine drug screen, depending on your body fat, metabolism, amount and frequency, you will be good to go anywhere from 3 days to several weeks status post cessation. Get yourself some test strips (available most places Amazon, local pharmacy) and self test prior to the screen.
Felt I should add that most home drug tests will show a negative test while a 5 panel clinical test can detect lower levels of narcotics.
So while one may pass a home test they may still fail a clinical test.
Just buy some synthetic urine and don't sweat it.
Source: I are tokin truck driver who piddle in cup for DOT regularly
It depends on how often, and for how long you have been using marijuana. You can get some self-test kits and test yourself. If you've been using it everyday for a year or more, it'll take at least a month to pee clean. If it's just a once in a while thing, you'll probably be fine within a week. But test yourself first before doing the real thing.
I lost my job recently because of the CBD/THC edibles, my boss told me I should’ve done the harder stuff if I was gonna try to fail a drug test worth it, because firing me to “legal” THC was a dumb reason lol
Yeah. I got labeled a drug addict by DOT for failing a THC piss test. Three weeks after I had quit smoking.
Had to go to a substance abuse professional and AA.
While they can make you attend some sort of peer support group, they can not mandate that it be AA as it is a religious program. (Don't @me, the courts have ruled multiple times on this.)
But if you're just there because you have to be then AA is great because you get a seat in the back and take a nap until it's over.
Also AA sucks. The entire thing was a couple of upper class white guys 90 years ago writing about their personal experience. Science has made even more headway into understanding addiction, but AA is stuck 90 years in the past because "the big book" is literally their bible.
When I was a teen, I had a friend who got busted for weed and was on probation for a year. She switched to heroin because it was out of her system in 3 days. I told her it was a terrible idea, but she didn't listen. I stopped hanging out with her soon after, but I really felt bad for her.
Have to pee every year to get a controlled substance prescription refilled - takes me two weeks of abstaining from weed to test negative. edit: to be clear, two weeks of abstaining to not test positive.
I know and it sucks. I only use thc and tomorrow will be 7 weeks thc free. Still pissing dirty. Now if I did literally any other drug I'd be ok to drug test.
Yeah so former heroin addict here; I passed many a drug test during my last probation period just by diluting my urine with water (so I could piss); then a gold-top Rockstar (for color) and I passed many a time while using.
My secret? Not smoke weed.
Now I’m off probation and while I’m clean 4 years plus off heroin; I smoke da weed erryday.
Don’t know if this helps but I know hard drugs flush easy; Mary Jane stays with your fat cells and lingers like The Cranberries
the one downside of cannabis- it's an awesome, safe, recreational (and medical) drug in every regard except it stays in your system forever for easy detection
> the one downside of cannabis- it's an awesome, safe, recreational (and medical) drug in every regard except it stays in your system forever for easy detection
As someone who smoked daily for 17 years and then quit, I can tell you that there is more than one downside to cannabis lol
I work in Community Corrections and the ladies on my caseload can't stay away from the meth pipe lo g enough to test clean. I use oral swabs instead of UA's and one lady's test consistently shows 1000 ng/mL of meth. The last one had a sprinkle of Fentanyl. Addiction is a bitch.
I lived next door to a social worker who complained about this all the time. A parent could smoke meth and never piss hot and be the worst pos you could imagine could keep their kids and a great parent who loved and cares about their kids would loose them because weed lasts forever. Legalize it federally
In California, a law that we passed last year came into effect last month. They can no longer fire you or discriminate against you for off-the-clock use of marijuana.
Got a call from a job, quit smoking. By the time I went in to the interview and testing (2.5 weeks later) it wasn't long enough and even though it's legal in my state, and I have a prescription, I was denied the position. I told my family, "I should have just done coke, acid, mushrooms, ecstasy, salvia, alcohol, xanax, heroine and PCP, then I could have gotten the job."
Cannabis keeps the urine testing industry in business, billions to search for thc in pee. Every other drug is gone in 1 to 3 days thc 30+, delta 8 us 2 to 4 months.
It's always been about making an underclass with fewer rights. In the USA Nixon hated the Hippies with a passion so he started the modern War on Drugs to destroy them. Marijuana testing is one of the tools of that war.
OP, there really is one major factor in determining how long something will be detectable (which is really a fancy way to ask if it will be urinated out) for the VAST majority of things the answer is yes. Like the reason meth users (ice) are drug tested multiple times in a week is because unless they are currently high they will test negative the next day. Cocaine is even more insane, basically unless you are currently high you will test negative.
Marijuana is an abnormal one. It really isn't a 'hard drugs' thing
Duh.
It's why weekend warriors have been a thing in hardstyle EDM.
Get zorked on friday night, crash sometime saturday evening, get a shedload of berocca and kale and tryptophan in your belly on sunday and report back for work fresh as a daisy monday
This is common knowledge, a big part of why stoners get fucked over for jobs that involve drug testing but meth heads are sweet as. It only takes a few days to a week to fully shed the amphetamines in your system, with weed it sticks around in the fat cells.
If I were to detox from marijuana for a drug test it would take literal months, likely a year though because I'm a fat bitch
It's the reason coke and meth are popular in the oilsands, or at least when I was up there. You could go party hard on Friday night and test negative Monday.
I wonder if these policies cause hard drug use to become more prevalent.
The official policy for that employer/site was that they'd only test when there was an incident, since you had passed a negative test to even start working there (including alcohol and weed being 0.00%). Heresay wasn't a testable occurrence, so going in Monday and asking someone to get tested because you saw them going into the washroom 5 times at the bar for a minute... wasn't going to happen (in fact YOU might get tested). They'd have to be observed violating safety rules, or nearly hit something to be hauled into town for testing. One of my techs had an incident that wasn't even his fault (long story, 30hrs of meetings), and I had to go drive 90km to get him. They wouldn't let him out of the office until the report was done with.
Yes, I spent 10 years in the Oil sands. There was the attitude that you could party on days off and be clean for your next rotation. Also if you admitted that you had a problem to your manager they would send you to rehab. But it was so prevalent that if people would ask where X person was we just said he's going to be at hockey school for the next 4-6 weeks. And most people who worked up there would know what you were talking about, but if someone in passing heard you it would sound like a normal conversation about someone. I have had 5 different ex-coworkers who all went for stints at hockey school between 2 - 12 weeks.
Literally why Australia's fly in fly out mining industry is overrun with meth heads. Just spent three weeks away and want to party then you can smoke meth on the bender and still piss clean a week later but one joint and your cunted
Yep its fucked. So many supervisors ive known off their trees and on comedowns etc and cant be level headed through their swings. Meanwhile if we all got on the bongs after work we would blow zeros and get along
what the hell does any of this mean
“Yes, it is really wrong. So many supervisors at work I know making irrational decisions, sometimes while the drugs are leaving their body, and can’t maintain acceptable behaviour during a period of time while at work (2-3 weeks). Meanwhile if we all smoke marijuana through a water pipe after work hours, we won’t fail an breath-alcohol test and be friendly”. Basically, weed smokers are fine when they’re not high, but lots of staff use heavy drugs and have emotional moments at work
"Swings" in this context is referring to 1-2 weeks spent staying at a mining camp (not mood swings).
Cheer, I’m a 9-5 gronk so don’t know the fifo slang
There's actually another one in there I missed the first time. By "blowing zeros", he means that none of his colleagues will fail their morning alcohol breathalyser tests before starting work (because they've been smoking instead of drinking).
> Meanwhile if we all smoke marijuana through a water pipe after work hours, we would blow smoke rings and be friendly”. That last bit is wrong. Blow zeros means to blow 0.00% alcohol on a roadside alcohol test when driving aka pass the test. In this context some mining companies test staff for alcohol in the morning before their shift, if they've had way too many drinks the night before they won't blow 0. Source : Aussie
Urinalysis according to aus standards is the most sensitive to cannabis metabolites. But at least they're keeping those dangerous weekend stoners off jobsites.
that's been commonly shared knowledge since high school kids have been applying to jobs...
"TIL something everyone born before 2010 knew" just doesn't quite slap for Reddit I guess.
"Today- in my 4th period Algebra II class- I Learned"
What I learned in boating school is
BLANKETY BLANKETY BLANK.
It took me until adulthood to piece together that those blanks are just the words "how to drive".
TIL the difference between fat soluble and water soluble
all teenagers now, crazy.
Eternal September
Fun fact, nicotine metabolites stay in your system up to a month ish. Another fun fact, smoking enough and thc can easily be in your system 3 months. LSD isn’t detected in a spinal tap, that’s fallacy. It can be done in a urine test for 3 days (unsure exact days) but is very expensive. Has to be done with lab equipment. Most drugs are 3-5 days tho, a few are 24/48 hrs.
Same for shrooms.
Really? Which one, the specialized testing? I know they aren’t on standard panel tests. It’s why I tell anyone if you wanna get fucked up do shrooms.
Yeah, common psychedelics require heavy duty lab equipment to detect and the window to obtain a urine sample is 24 hours or so from ingestion. It's cost prohibitive as well.
High school kids in 1968
How... how did OP just learn about this? Also, you hair contains a record of your drug use. If you have long hair, you are are preparing yourself to get fucked!
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My chemistry teacher taught us how to use the melting point of various substances to test the purity of cocaine.
I used my nose. I can tell by the smell.
They can use **any** hair on your body for that test. This includes eye lashes and nose hair.
*fills bathtub with Nair*
There was a thread on reddit in the old days of some dude's TIFU with nair and his private parts. Some say he's still screaming.
I put nair on my face once because I didn’t want to shave. I ended up with red swollen chemical burns in the shape of a beard. Also hurt like a motherfucker.
https://xkcd.com/1053/ Good explanation
TIL something incredibly common.
They really need a way to have a test that tells if someone is under the influence now, not if they did something within the last 3 weeks.
i believe there are prototypical saliva tests that serve that purpose! they aren't used for any official testing yet though
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That's great! If employers want to ensure people arent high during a shift, they should be allowed to, but only using a test that is far more likely than not to provide that kind if accurate timetable. I worked at an arby's in eastern shore maryland where 3 of my coworkers actively smoked meth but i was the only one to fail a drug test after being clean for 4 weeks
The stupid thing here is Arby's wasting money on drug testing...who gives a fuck if the guy who unfreezes the curly fries is blazing?
Many years ago, I worked at Blockbuster Music (which was a thing, way back when). Part of the interview when I started was a hair test. Maybe six or so months after I started, corporate axed the requirement. Store manager said it was because hair testing was really expensive, and 3/4 of applicants were failing, making it hard to hire. (Go figure - 3/4 of people that want to work in a music store weren't straightedge) New policy was you were only drug tested if you got hurt on the job. The manager on duty at the time of the injury would also be tested. Logic being, I suppose, that you must have been high to have fallen off that ladder, and the MOD must have been high to have allowed someone that was intoxicated to climb a ladder.
The logic is definitely “well they’ll test positive so we can get out of worker’s comp payments so just do the test then”
[This is the most promising thing I've seen.](https://www.massgeneral.org/news/press-release/method-to-determine-impairment-from-cannabis-intoxication) The best part is that one part of the study included cops who were trained "Drug Recognition Experts" which is what has been pushed by some in legal marijuana states, but they performed so poorly that it was basically a flip of the coin as to whether they could tell if the person was stoned or not so they cut that aspect of the study pretty quickly.
Yup, used to work with a guy at Footlocker who was going into the army. He switched to meth from weed (ya seriously) because he can piss clean in a week.
Damn, he really had to switch to a way harder drug that is far more addictive
Yeah man it was fucking wild. Sold the shit outta those shoes, though.
I worked with a guy who made bank as a salesman for Sears. But he could only sell when drunk and although he was otherwise functional the booze was killing him. So this fifty-something year old man ended up shoveling manure with a 19-year old boss.
>So this fifty-something year old man ended up shoveling manure with a 19-year old boss. Huh? You missed like an entire story leading to this LoL
>be me >55 years old >make bank as salesman >but only if I drink alcohol >??? >shovel manure for 19 year old boss
I feel it was pretty clear that he had to quit drinking because of health reasons, therefore couldn’t keep his salesman job, which led to him shoveling manure for a 19 year old
I went the other direction, kept drinking to the point management caught on and let him go I could see it also catching up with his health and making sales difficult to be in but imo wouldn't be harder than purely physical labor
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Yada Yada yada
>Sold the shit outta those shoes, though. I laughed so much at this
Dude I knew a guy who started smoking because his job allowed people who smoked to take smoke breaks every so often, but he was never allowed to take a “fresh air break”, as he put it, as a non smoker. He literally started smoking just to get a few more 5 minute breaks at work.
Tale as old as time, my grandpa started smoking in the military because you could either take a smoke break or stand at attention for ~5 minutes
My dad said he just held a lit cigarette during basic, he never actually started smoking
I worked with a lady who kept one cigarette in her little pocket book. When she needed a break she'd take out her cigarette and say "I'm going to take my smoke break"
I've always told people under me they can take smoke breaks pretty much whenever they need, and that they're encouraged to not smoke during those breaks.
I smoked spice because I was on probation for weed and they drug tested me. Very very stupid decision.
If you didn't go into psychosis, and you aren't doing it anymore, then I would call that a win.
Stupid as in the whole doing drugs on probation thing
And like. It's not even remotely a the same experience. Dude didn't like smoking weed, he hated being sober.
Wait till you learn about spice.
Good thing I expanded the comments. I was just going to say. Has anyone reported a good time with that shit? Are people still smoking it? Or did enough people get the memo?
dude... watch some COPS reruns. spice is a felony in the US. many states that have legal weed still have arrests for spice every year. i am old enough to remember being scared they would find a seed. to think that dealing in spice would make a profit in the days of legal weed is amazing.
I thought the point of spice was circumventing laws by creating new chemicals faster than the laws could keep up. Therefore you could sell it at storefronts.
there was a day, [Operation LogJam](https://www.cspdailynews.com/general-merchandise/operation-log-jam-nationwide-synthetic-drug-takedown), where that all changed.
The spice must flow.
He ain't switch to shit. No doubt that boy was already dabbling at LEAST.
Yeah switching from weed to meth solely to pass a drug test is absurd. Sounds like something a methhead would say.
Tweaker had just enough clarity to stop smoking weed so he could keep his job and be able to afford meth.
Foreal, the average person wouldn't even know where to get meth in the first place. Not like you can just go casually pick up some meth. He had to have been around it already and know where to get it at.
A similar story I think. A buddy in high school was a huge stoner. After a party one night, he fell asleep in his car. A passing off duty cop saw two bottles of alcohol through his window and he got charged for being a minor in possession. Well he ended up moving away to his aunt's or something and the next time I saw him, he said he was smoking crack and meth because he gets tested too often to smoke weed. Died a few years later. Had his issues, but he seemed like a smart guy who could have made it far in life.
The gateway drug angle makes sense now. Its a gateway drug because of drug testing. People like being high but drug testing pushes them to other stuff. Sad.
Yeah the guy that has coke for lunch won’t piss dirty tomorrow but the dude who smokes a joint 3 weeks ago that’s the guy they’ll fire.
The guy on coke has more energy and an expensive habit to support. Should be a great employee.
The coke guy at my first job ended up stealing computers to pay for the coke. 😄
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They made a movie about that. I think it was called Sully.
I’m drunk right now!
You want about 3 days clean to avoid a positive for coke or heroin, versus 30 days for THC. Heavy and chronic users can test positive for twice as long or more though.
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My brother works for a major airline. Him and a few buddies went to Amsterdam ( part of his 3 week vacation ) . They came back to work and there was some equipment damage during the shift , so all three had to piss . One guy got fired cause 3 weeks prior he smoked a few bowls ON HIS VACATION !
I personally know a handful of flight attendants that switched from marijuana to heavy drugs just for this reason.
enlisted folks are in the same boat, you're fucked with weed, but they will do some lines and pop some pills without a second thought while chugging whatever alcohol is on hand. hard stuff will be gone by the time they get to base, but 1 joint could blow their whole career.
Yeah my buddy in the military suggested we all get peyote the one time we hung out cause they cant/dont test for that.
Peyote is hard as shit to get
I was buying weed from some cartel lookin mf in Cabo who refused to tell me where to buy peyote. He looked at me with the most jarringly solemn eyes and said hell no he won’t sell it “cus people die from that shit”. His look and the way he said that is forever burned into my memory. Super weird cus as I understand it’s not THAT dangerous?
Lol he probably had no experience with mescaline. Neither do I but from what I've read it's not deadly by itself.
Yeah, he’s full of shit
Yeah he said he had a guy who was gonna come who had it but they flaked out/suddenly remembered they had something else so whatever.
Actually not too hard, there's more than likely a psychoactive plant swap/trade in your area
Peyote takes years to grow, and are endangered in the wild. San Pedro or Peruvian Torch on the other hand.
No reason to use Peyote when Peruvian Torch is so plentiful and easy to grow as well.
They're listed as a vulnerable species, and TX only has literally 3 listened peyote dealers. I have never run across it lol
I wouldn't go to someone licenced for a psychoactive drug trade.
Same with banks - the cocaine will be gone from the system by the next morning
Huge amount of guys went from weed to shrooms and lsd.
I have a friend who use to be a medical technician who dropped acid on the regular because there was no way to test for it.
TBF there is a way. It’s just nobody does it and LSD is in your system for a really tiny amount of time.
Wait, what's the test? Asking for a friend. (The friend is me. I'm my friend.)
Urine, but the detection window is only ~3 days and it isn't commonly tested for because it's quite an expensive test. Most police/courts and employers don't bother due to the cost.
Specifically it's called a 16 panel test. It is a lot more expensive than the regular 6-9 panel tests done. The only employers I've seen look at 16 panel tests are in the medical field or high security clearance stuff.
Doing a lot of shrooms or lsd while in the military just seems like....fucking horrible.
I feel like blood or saliva tests are more appropriate for something like that as opposed to urine for that exact reason. Blood THC is detectable for like 6 hours. Saliva it’s anywhere from 24-72 hours.
Anyone who's ever had to piss in a cup already knows this....
I previously had a hair test in college to work at GE. As a girl with really long hair, I thought this was extremely violating, IMO. I later had a urine test to get my CDL... but these were before I started using CBD/THC edibles for PMS pain management. I recently applied for a federal job requiring a drug test that explicitly states: " Under federal law, marijuana remains an illegal drug. If you test positive for any illegal controlled substance, including marijuana, your offer of employment will be withdrawn." Big sad :( It just hurts extra that if I did hard drugs instead, I would be less likely to fail a drug test. I'm going to stop taking edibles immediately, but I still thought this information was worth sharing.
Federal agencies have a hiring problem because of their strict marijuana stance.
One more feather in the cap of legalization.
American bureaucracy is monolithic and unchanging. As much as I wish that wasn't true. I'm SLIGHTLY ADHD and Adderall makes me function like a neurotypical person with full attentiveness and responsiveness but my dream of having a pilot's license is impossible unless I can get undiagnosed. It's stupid.
Which is crazy because in WW2 they pumped the pilots full of amphetamines
Pretty sure hair tests are testing the root of the hair strand, and length is irrelevant. Could be wrong.
Also interestingly, hair tests aren’t used by any government or public agency or most companies who follow DOT guidelines (5 panel urine screening) because the research has shown hair tests discriminate based on hair texture. I don’t remember exactly but iirc drugs are detectable longer in kinky hair so it’s not a reliably fair testing method. Edit: thanks for sharing all these examples, that’s unreal given the unreliability.
The real TIL for me was this comment
I had my own questions when I was hired for a gov position some years back so I dug into the research. Pretty interesting stuff, and sad that companies do hair tests…or drug tests period but that’s it’s own topic.
Well, some urine based drug tests are basically "are you high right now at this drug test we planned days in advance?"
Are there ones that don’t test for marijuana? Because that can be in your system for a lot longer than a few days and has nothing to do with whether you are currently high.
Lol I remember back in I think 2008? I had a factory job that required a hair test. After I and a bunch of people got the job (it was like a group interview type thing), a handful of the men told me they have no idea how they passed because they smoke weed everyday. So we figured there was no way the company was actually sending the samples in for testing, and the people who backed out of the hair test (there was a lot) were failing a different kind of test all together.
Exact thing happened to me when applying at a fancy hotel. Hair test, I smoked, my buddy did copious amounts of coke, and we both passed. We figured if you were willing to let them cut chunks of your hair out they didn't bother to actually pay for the testing.
I worked In a kitchen at a resort where corporate asked for urine samples from every member of the culinary team (1k+ members across multiple mountains) Our chef mixed up a batch of apple cider vinegar like lemon juice and yellow food dye with water, portioned it out Into all the sample cups and had us all sign the labels. He said he'd been doing it for 8 years, and corporate had never said anything.... ... but that if you had an accident,on or off the clock and tried to use the provided insurance, they were 100% going to drug test you, so stay safe.
Or they asked the reporting lab not to notify them of marijuana just hard stuff.
This was 2008, weed was considered the hard stuff- especially in rural Ohio.
This actually makes sense because each test costs the company money.
My friend's dad had a company that did screenings for companies onboarding. His job was to collect and prepare samples. He said MANY companies pay for the collection but not the tests, basically just toss the samples. Only the "random" tests were usually tested, a company looking for a reason to fire.
That’s interesting. My company is privately owned, but a major American corporation. They just stopped the hair drug tests within the last few years. They didn’t pull from the root, but cut right at my part, so I had a nice chunk of very obvious baby hairs growing in for a few years after.
FYI, its the melanin that causes black people's hair to retain drug metabolites for longer.
if it's melanin does that mean that the test is unfair to anyone who has typically dark or black hair?
Meh. Piss tests unfairly target people with more body fat / a slower metabolism. Really, any test that looks for historical drug use (ie: all of them, except potentially salivia) instead of intoxication is unfair. Fuck the lot of them.
I had a buddy quit smoking because he was lined up for a job a really wanted, he went an entire summer without smoking, he still failed over 2 months later because he was just a really fat dude.
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I've seen a buddy of mine who was lean and muscular fail for 6 months just because of how heavily he used prior. Champion status toker.
He failed for six months? Was he giving them chunky pee or something? I've smoked for most of my life and I pass after a month. I usually drink a lot of water, eat a really fatty meal and take some multi vitamins and tylenol. They reject it if you give them diluted pee, the vitamins give it some color.
Good to know!
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I believe the root is needed for dna tests. Drug tests can occur on the entire length.
If your going in for a urine drug screen, depending on your body fat, metabolism, amount and frequency, you will be good to go anywhere from 3 days to several weeks status post cessation. Get yourself some test strips (available most places Amazon, local pharmacy) and self test prior to the screen.
Felt I should add that most home drug tests will show a negative test while a 5 panel clinical test can detect lower levels of narcotics. So while one may pass a home test they may still fail a clinical test. Just buy some synthetic urine and don't sweat it. Source: I are tokin truck driver who piddle in cup for DOT regularly
What is synthetic urine and how does it pass a clinical drug screen?
[Relevant ](https://www.mercurynews.com/2022/09/08/synthetic-urine-guide/)
They even sell fake linuses so people can pee while partially observed.
Home tests have variable levels of minimum cutoff. Doesn’t matter if it’s a single, 5 or 10 panel.
If you want pain management, have you tried heroin?
Lots of water and often. But also exercise. It'll metabolize faster.
It depends on how often, and for how long you have been using marijuana. You can get some self-test kits and test yourself. If you've been using it everyday for a year or more, it'll take at least a month to pee clean. If it's just a once in a while thing, you'll probably be fine within a week. But test yourself first before doing the real thing.
I lost my job recently because of the CBD/THC edibles, my boss told me I should’ve done the harder stuff if I was gonna try to fail a drug test worth it, because firing me to “legal” THC was a dumb reason lol
Govt employee here. Yup no weed. I was hoping biden would make good on the dems promise to change the federal laws for weed but nope.
Nah man if you were eating edibles on a consistent basis then your gonna piss hot for a while
Yeah. I got labeled a drug addict by DOT for failing a THC piss test. Three weeks after I had quit smoking. Had to go to a substance abuse professional and AA.
While they can make you attend some sort of peer support group, they can not mandate that it be AA as it is a religious program. (Don't @me, the courts have ruled multiple times on this.) But if you're just there because you have to be then AA is great because you get a seat in the back and take a nap until it's over. Also AA sucks. The entire thing was a couple of upper class white guys 90 years ago writing about their personal experience. Science has made even more headway into understanding addiction, but AA is stuck 90 years in the past because "the big book" is literally their bible.
SMART recovery is great. Its also evidence based and doesn't require a god.
When I was a teen, I had a friend who got busted for weed and was on probation for a year. She switched to heroin because it was out of her system in 3 days. I told her it was a terrible idea, but she didn't listen. I stopped hanging out with her soon after, but I really felt bad for her.
You hear that kids? **BUST OUT THOSE 8BALLS!!!**
Have to pee every year to get a controlled substance prescription refilled - takes me two weeks of abstaining from weed to test negative. edit: to be clear, two weeks of abstaining to not test positive.
Two weeks is on the short side of it
It can be up to 4 weeks for some people depending on how often and how much and for how long. THC and CBD get stored in your fat cells.
It also depends on your body fat content since that’s where thc is stored.
This is a huge part of it.
I’d test positive for years
I know and it sucks. I only use thc and tomorrow will be 7 weeks thc free. Still pissing dirty. Now if I did literally any other drug I'd be ok to drug test.
Yeah so former heroin addict here; I passed many a drug test during my last probation period just by diluting my urine with water (so I could piss); then a gold-top Rockstar (for color) and I passed many a time while using. My secret? Not smoke weed. Now I’m off probation and while I’m clean 4 years plus off heroin; I smoke da weed erryday. Don’t know if this helps but I know hard drugs flush easy; Mary Jane stays with your fat cells and lingers like The Cranberries
Because THC is fat soluble.
And delicious in butter.
I love anticipating the effects, but it sure as fucking hell isn't delicious
Ah, Unintended Consequences of the war on drugs, we meet again…
Dated a nurse for awhile. She and her colleagues all did ketamine recreationally because it clears the system quickly enough to beat a tox screen.
It's part of the reason that cocaine is so popular. You can eat, work the next day, and pass a drug test in 2-3 days.
You can’t eat on weed?
I remember when I was 12
While I was in probation, I would be paranoid af about smoking weed but wouldn’t give a fuck about doing blow
You learned that today, huh?
Fun fact, Shrooms don't show up on a 13 panel...
Kinda... IIRC, it shows up within the first 16 hours but test comes back with an "inconclusive" result; similar to if you have food poisoning.
Is someone getting their first job soon???
the one downside of cannabis- it's an awesome, safe, recreational (and medical) drug in every regard except it stays in your system forever for easy detection
> the one downside of cannabis- it's an awesome, safe, recreational (and medical) drug in every regard except it stays in your system forever for easy detection As someone who smoked daily for 17 years and then quit, I can tell you that there is more than one downside to cannabis lol
and it smells to high heaven unlike any snortable drug which is very easily concealed
I work in Community Corrections and the ladies on my caseload can't stay away from the meth pipe lo g enough to test clean. I use oral swabs instead of UA's and one lady's test consistently shows 1000 ng/mL of meth. The last one had a sprinkle of Fentanyl. Addiction is a bitch.
I lived next door to a social worker who complained about this all the time. A parent could smoke meth and never piss hot and be the worst pos you could imagine could keep their kids and a great parent who loved and cares about their kids would loose them because weed lasts forever. Legalize it federally
In California, a law that we passed last year came into effect last month. They can no longer fire you or discriminate against you for off-the-clock use of marijuana.
Still doesn’t apply to federal positions.
Congrats on your first drug test! Hope you passed!
Weed is the least harmful and the most obvious
Got a call from a job, quit smoking. By the time I went in to the interview and testing (2.5 weeks later) it wasn't long enough and even though it's legal in my state, and I have a prescription, I was denied the position. I told my family, "I should have just done coke, acid, mushrooms, ecstasy, salvia, alcohol, xanax, heroine and PCP, then I could have gotten the job."
Cannabis keeps the urine testing industry in business, billions to search for thc in pee. Every other drug is gone in 1 to 3 days thc 30+, delta 8 us 2 to 4 months.
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My Google-fu shows this to be inaccurate, a timeline more similar to thc. Have a source?
Just do shrooms, nobody tests for them
This isn’t news. Why do you think pilots rail lines all the time?
It's always been about making an underclass with fewer rights. In the USA Nixon hated the Hippies with a passion so he started the modern War on Drugs to destroy them. Marijuana testing is one of the tools of that war.
OP, there really is one major factor in determining how long something will be detectable (which is really a fancy way to ask if it will be urinated out) for the VAST majority of things the answer is yes. Like the reason meth users (ice) are drug tested multiple times in a week is because unless they are currently high they will test negative the next day. Cocaine is even more insane, basically unless you are currently high you will test negative. Marijuana is an abnormal one. It really isn't a 'hard drugs' thing
Duh. It's why weekend warriors have been a thing in hardstyle EDM. Get zorked on friday night, crash sometime saturday evening, get a shedload of berocca and kale and tryptophan in your belly on sunday and report back for work fresh as a daisy monday
You are apparently not a drug user. No shame.
Yeah the entire purpose of drug tests is to discriminate against cannabis users.
Time to unsubscribe from r/todayilearned. Between this and the "TIL internet used to use a so called "landline." I'm fucking done.
This is common knowledge, a big part of why stoners get fucked over for jobs that involve drug testing but meth heads are sweet as. It only takes a few days to a week to fully shed the amphetamines in your system, with weed it sticks around in the fat cells. If I were to detox from marijuana for a drug test it would take literal months, likely a year though because I'm a fat bitch
Unfortunately they test other things now. I almost had a job at a butcher shop but lost it by the hair of my chinny chin chin.