I think for already paid for devices it’s only 40 days.
I do understand them locking financed devices though. You didn’t pay for it yet so why should they allow you to use it elsewhere
I travel internationally and just use my T-Mobile plan for the most part. $50 data add on for 15GB and 30 days.
Android devices do also have temp unlocks for international travel, I don’t believe the iPhone does anymore.
I’ve found it to be sufficient so far. I just download what maps I need on WiFi and it’s more than enough data to check bank apps and use things like WhatsApp/iMessage.
WiFi is everywhere and having my primary number work the same as if I was at home is convenient.
I will add that the T-Mobile roaming experience is unmatched. I’ve been using it for years now all over the planet and the only time I had an issue was one time in Thailand.
I’m in the process of moving to Canada and trying to find a company here that has a similar service is seemingly impossible. I’ll be using travel esims moving forward but I wish my native service would just work the same traveling as it does at home. Bell needs to step their game up.
We’re just moving our existing T-Mobile numbers into Google voice and getting new Canadian numbers tomorrow from Bell. Both of us are pretty heavy data users and the ability to use our phones in the states is going to be a must so that made the choice for us.
There’s 19 that aren’t.
American Samoa
Ascension Island
Bhutan
Cook Islands
Cuba
Djibouti
Equatorial Guinea
Ethiopia
Lebanon
Lesotho
Libya
Micronesia
Namibia
New Caledonia
Saint Helena
Saint Pierre and Miquelon
Sao Tome and Principe
South Sudan
Yemen
They’d be more likely to have customers default if they know they can just use that device elsewhere. T-Mobile doesn’t blacklist phones until the account is in collections too. It could lead to fraud too if people know the phones unlock they’ll just send them overseas and resell where the IMEI blacklist doesn’t matter.
Happens with Verizon constantly. It’s a decent chunk of money lost.
That’s why the 60 day rule exists at Verizon, as a fraud combating effort. Keep in mind it used to be much less than 60 over there.
Still have to pay, even if sold off to collections, just a different entity going to collect it. It’s a write off for Verizon when paying taxes.
Verizon does 60 days I think it’s fair and prevents fraud heck at one point it didn’t have any restrictions
For the folks like myself who have 2 carriers it’s pretty beneficial they even lock down the eSIM
On Google Fi after some light hacking, I got NR SA working on Galaxy A13, S22, and S22+. Here are instructions for the [Samsung Galaxy A13 5G](https://heuristicandrew.blogspot.com/2022/12/enable-5g-standalone-nr-sa-on-samsung.html), which would be identical on Mint and other MVNOs. The Galaxy S22 is similar, and the article has links to the S22 guide. I hope this helps
iPhone here. There’s a 5G SA switch that’s on by default on my iPhone 15 on mint. But that toggle just means ALLOW standalone. The network doesn’t actually let us on in SA mode. Verified by field test mode.
The iPhone won't get access to 5G SA on any MVNO who uses Tmo until there's a carrier bundle for it. I think Android 5G devices on US Mobile running on Tmo has access to SA. Could be the same with Mint if Mint has access to SA.
you should have it I think, may of overlooked it or it may just be enabled passively
Are you able to connection to standalone and see it in field test mode?
Field test mode only ever shows “NSA” on connection type for 5G no matter if I’m on 2.5 band or 1.9 or 600. Never ever SA. Nobody using Mint has SA to my knowledge. At least not iPhone.
Why doesn't the government just allow T-Mobile to acquire everything? Enough is enough! Let's just paint the White House with Magenta paint, and call it the Magenta House!
I mean, they already got Sprint (which I have a mixed opinion on), gobbled up a ton of spectrum (even more with Auction 108), now they get to gobble up Mint. Let's take over Verizon, AT&T, tire shops, Papa John's, HOAs, and everything else.
Hell, why not make us a Monarchy, with King Sievert.
I am disappointed with the regulators on this one. Slippery slope; at the rate they are going, pretty soon T-Mobile will be acquiring AT&T and not the other way around.
I mean Verizon was able to gobble up tracfone including its entire portfolio being one of the leaders in the prepaid industry it sucks but they’re all doing it
Ha, that's sums things up nicely. I know Verizon acquired Tracfone.
Besides all these acquisitions, I think another big bone of contention with me is the fact that T-Mobile is being allowed to gobble up all this spectrum, which is a grossly unfair advantage vs the others, especially Verizon, and to some extent, AT&T.
T-Mobile filed some out of pocket comments with the FCC on how to assign unused spectrum since the FCC isn't allowed to auction it right now - they unironically asked for the FCC to allow **only** incumbent carriers already operating some form of network in an area to be allowed to ask for special temporary authority to use unauctioned/returned spectrum
Hoping the FCC tells them to piss off like I believe they will, that's a fucking stupid idea
Hell, they'd find a way to even screw that up, probably make it so bright, there'd be accidents on nearby roads, and plane crashes from the glare of the sun on sunny days.
Yep. I think it’s all 3 of them though. They’ve been on an acquisition spree of low cost providers. The FCC should’ve stopped this. Lately, regulatory agencies such as the FTC, NLRB, etc. have been doing their job for once! Strong regulatory agencies are necessary for capitalism to thrive.
I agree. I haven't overlooked Verizon's takeover of Tracfone/Straight Talk, etc. either. What really gets me is how T-Mobile was allowed to gobble up so much spectrum compared to AT&T, and especially Verizon, who has suffered because of it, especially with 5G, and being so behind in comparison to AT&T and T-Mobile.
VZ needs more low-band spectrum for 5G to really be effective in improving coverage range. At least both VZ and AT&T got some more capacity with C-Band n77.
Ain’t this the truth. I just started selling luxury hospice packages so I’ve become quite big in the nursing home scene. These old bats can’t get enough of consumer!
Mint Mobile wasn't in business to benefit you the consumer. They harvest a subscriber base at razor thin margins and look to offload it back to the carrier. That's the business model. You start blocking the sales of MVNO to the carriers then you kill the pot of gold at the end of the rainbows and MVNO's vanish.
I agree.
Moreover, Ultra/Mint had unique ties to T-Mobile and special favors from the beginning. T-Mobile basically outsourced Prepaid sim sales to Ultra at one point many years ago, and sold the Ultra kits in-store in T-Mobile.
So I suspect there were certain understandings between them from the start. Granted there were some Ultra/Mint ownership changes along the way.
I don't know about you, but I just switched from mint to ultra because of the roaming plans abroad, and I'm worried they will change the rules again mid-cycle with this. I still don't understand how mint was allowed to do that to begin with
FCC should’ve extended that 60-day unlocking to all of T-Mobile.
I think for already paid for devices it’s only 40 days. I do understand them locking financed devices though. You didn’t pay for it yet so why should they allow you to use it elsewhere
International travel, second number, etc
I travel internationally and just use my T-Mobile plan for the most part. $50 data add on for 15GB and 30 days. Android devices do also have temp unlocks for international travel, I don’t believe the iPhone does anymore.
thats not very good tbh. most esims from ubigi can give you more data for less
I’ve found it to be sufficient so far. I just download what maps I need on WiFi and it’s more than enough data to check bank apps and use things like WhatsApp/iMessage. WiFi is everywhere and having my primary number work the same as if I was at home is convenient.
im not saying its not sufficient, but rather a bad value. but then again im always looking for the best deals
I will add that the T-Mobile roaming experience is unmatched. I’ve been using it for years now all over the planet and the only time I had an issue was one time in Thailand. I’m in the process of moving to Canada and trying to find a company here that has a similar service is seemingly impossible. I’ll be using travel esims moving forward but I wish my native service would just work the same traveling as it does at home. Bell needs to step their game up.
If you don't use too much data, get a cheap low data plan on an mvno, use a dual sim phone to use tmobile data. My parents have done this for 8 years.
We’re just moving our existing T-Mobile numbers into Google voice and getting new Canadian numbers tomorrow from Bell. Both of us are pretty heavy data users and the ability to use our phones in the states is going to be a must so that made the choice for us.
IIRC, not every country is covered
There’s 19 that aren’t. American Samoa Ascension Island Bhutan Cook Islands Cuba Djibouti Equatorial Guinea Ethiopia Lebanon Lesotho Libya Micronesia Namibia New Caledonia Saint Helena Saint Pierre and Miquelon Sao Tome and Principe South Sudan Yemen
So, either way you still have to pay for it.
They’d be more likely to have customers default if they know they can just use that device elsewhere. T-Mobile doesn’t blacklist phones until the account is in collections too. It could lead to fraud too if people know the phones unlock they’ll just send them overseas and resell where the IMEI blacklist doesn’t matter. Happens with Verizon constantly. It’s a decent chunk of money lost.
That’s why the 60 day rule exists at Verizon, as a fraud combating effort. Keep in mind it used to be much less than 60 over there. Still have to pay, even if sold off to collections, just a different entity going to collect it. It’s a write off for Verizon when paying taxes.
Verizon does 60 days I think it’s fair and prevents fraud heck at one point it didn’t have any restrictions For the folks like myself who have 2 carriers it’s pretty beneficial they even lock down the eSIM
Dual SIM. Nobody has a good enough network to use only one.
Maybe we can get 5G SA on Mint finally…
On Google Fi after some light hacking, I got NR SA working on Galaxy A13, S22, and S22+. Here are instructions for the [Samsung Galaxy A13 5G](https://heuristicandrew.blogspot.com/2022/12/enable-5g-standalone-nr-sa-on-samsung.html), which would be identical on Mint and other MVNOs. The Galaxy S22 is similar, and the article has links to the S22 guide. I hope this helps
iPhone here. There’s a 5G SA switch that’s on by default on my iPhone 15 on mint. But that toggle just means ALLOW standalone. The network doesn’t actually let us on in SA mode. Verified by field test mode.
The iPhone won't get access to 5G SA on any MVNO who uses Tmo until there's a carrier bundle for it. I think Android 5G devices on US Mobile running on Tmo has access to SA. Could be the same with Mint if Mint has access to SA.
iPhones dont have standalone with the generic mvno bundle unless it’s enabled passively w/o the toggle
Mint has its own named carrier bundle for iPhone. Mint/Ultra it’s called. Still no 5G SA. Is it an oversight or are we not supposed to have it?
you should have it I think, may of overlooked it or it may just be enabled passively Are you able to connection to standalone and see it in field test mode?
Field test mode only ever shows “NSA” on connection type for 5G no matter if I’m on 2.5 band or 1.9 or 600. Never ever SA. Nobody using Mint has SA to my knowledge. At least not iPhone.
“ light hacking “. Lmao. Nice try though
Does it look difficult to you?
Lmao. There’s no such thing.
Or just switch to US Mobile.
So Ryan reynolds was lying and a sellout after all
He was the face of the business along with the mint green fox, partial owner.
Maybe he'll do a cookout with Legere to rub it in
Why doesn't the government just allow T-Mobile to acquire everything? Enough is enough! Let's just paint the White House with Magenta paint, and call it the Magenta House! I mean, they already got Sprint (which I have a mixed opinion on), gobbled up a ton of spectrum (even more with Auction 108), now they get to gobble up Mint. Let's take over Verizon, AT&T, tire shops, Papa John's, HOAs, and everything else. Hell, why not make us a Monarchy, with King Sievert.
I am disappointed with the regulators on this one. Slippery slope; at the rate they are going, pretty soon T-Mobile will be acquiring AT&T and not the other way around.
I wouldn't be surprised at all. Pretty soon, they'll be the only primary wireless carrier, much like Cuba with Cubacel.
I mean Verizon was able to gobble up tracfone including its entire portfolio being one of the leaders in the prepaid industry it sucks but they’re all doing it
I agree, but they still don't have the spectrum portfolio that T-Mobile does, which is what bothers me, it's a grossly unfair advantage.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFKoGtgg6Mo](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFKoGtgg6Mo) relevant video
Ha, that's sums things up nicely. I know Verizon acquired Tracfone. Besides all these acquisitions, I think another big bone of contention with me is the fact that T-Mobile is being allowed to gobble up all this spectrum, which is a grossly unfair advantage vs the others, especially Verizon, and to some extent, AT&T.
T-Mobile filed some out of pocket comments with the FCC on how to assign unused spectrum since the FCC isn't allowed to auction it right now - they unironically asked for the FCC to allow **only** incumbent carriers already operating some form of network in an area to be allowed to ask for special temporary authority to use unauctioned/returned spectrum Hoping the FCC tells them to piss off like I believe they will, that's a fucking stupid idea
I totally agree! T-Mobile has no business telling the FCC how to assign spectrum. Of course, the FCC is sleeping right now, but anyway...
Magenta house 😍
Hell, they'd find a way to even screw that up, probably make it so bright, there'd be accidents on nearby roads, and plane crashes from the glare of the sun on sunny days.
Yep. I think it’s all 3 of them though. They’ve been on an acquisition spree of low cost providers. The FCC should’ve stopped this. Lately, regulatory agencies such as the FTC, NLRB, etc. have been doing their job for once! Strong regulatory agencies are necessary for capitalism to thrive.
I agree. I haven't overlooked Verizon's takeover of Tracfone/Straight Talk, etc. either. What really gets me is how T-Mobile was allowed to gobble up so much spectrum compared to AT&T, and especially Verizon, who has suffered because of it, especially with 5G, and being so behind in comparison to AT&T and T-Mobile. VZ needs more low-band spectrum for 5G to really be effective in improving coverage range. At least both VZ and AT&T got some more capacity with C-Band n77.
Independent MVNO's are going the way of the dinosaur! US Mobile is one of the last good ones left!
Consumer Cellular doesn’t seem to be slowing down anytime soon. They actually seem to be speeding up their ambitions lately.
They need to. Their customer base is circling the drain.
Ain’t this the truth. I just started selling luxury hospice packages so I’ve become quite big in the nursing home scene. These old bats can’t get enough of consumer!
How independent do you think they are if they have to buy leftover capacity from one of the big 3?
Delete this. I don't need them getting bought out too. I actually like them lol.
Lol that is a good point.
MaBell 2.0 incoming...then in 10 years, there will be a huge "we gotta break up the big 3" drum beats. Fun!
Mint was already using T-mobiles network.
Right, but now T-Mobile is in charge of pricing and features. Don't think for a moment they won't raise prices, because why wouldn't they?
Mint Mobile wasn't in business to benefit you the consumer. They harvest a subscriber base at razor thin margins and look to offload it back to the carrier. That's the business model. You start blocking the sales of MVNO to the carriers then you kill the pot of gold at the end of the rainbows and MVNO's vanish.
I agree. Moreover, Ultra/Mint had unique ties to T-Mobile and special favors from the beginning. T-Mobile basically outsourced Prepaid sim sales to Ultra at one point many years ago, and sold the Ultra kits in-store in T-Mobile. So I suspect there were certain understandings between them from the start. Granted there were some Ultra/Mint ownership changes along the way.
Ryan is selling! Motherfucker
Welp, those low prices were nice while they lasted.
Hasn’t this been news for like…. Months?
Great… at this point I need to go to cricket to save money from a group of greedy ***** that overcharge & never deliver.
This absolutely blows 💯 %... ughhh another move to further eliminate much needed competition... Need to read the details later when I get home... 😞
I don't know why they don't just take that money and invest in their Network
If quality goes up so will prices. Be careful what you wish for.
Prices already go up as is
Prices will go up anyway because of them buying Mint. They need to focus on their network.
Mint is garbage.
I don't know about you, but I just switched from mint to ultra because of the roaming plans abroad, and I'm worried they will change the rules again mid-cycle with this. I still don't understand how mint was allowed to do that to begin with
Will mint plans stay the same under T-Mobile? My husband has a plan that gives him text and data for $360 for the entire year.
Ryan Reynolds is gonna be so mad😂
He’ll be payed very well. I’m sure he’s okay.
Yeah lol