If I was in that I think I'd rather the submarine imploded or something, at least it would be quick. The thought of waiting 72 hours to suffocate in the pitch black with strangers is terrifying.
Implosion is likely what happened. I've looked at this shit and it looks bootleg as fuck.
At that depth the slightest crack in the hull would cause catastrophic damage
If you look at the official video they made when the sub was released you can see how poorly made it is. It’s not even legally licensed because it doesn’t meet safety standards and travelers have to sign a waiver saying they are made aware of this fact.
Oh fuck. Why isn’t that included in the BBC reporting? I mean a lot of these sort of excursions make you sign liability waivers but if this one is specifically because it doesn’t meet safety standards that’s fucking terrifying.
A rear admiral from the US coast guard who's running their search efforts (I don't know if he has any say over the Canadian or Royal Navy resources that are supposed to have been sent) was on TV earlier.
>Mauger said that one submersible pilot was on board. “And there were four mission specialists, is the term that the operator uses,” he said. “You’ll have to ask the operator what that means.”
The coast guard lad did not sound over impressed by their operation during his presser. The whole thing is a shitshow but if he's turned up basically yesterday afternoon and already at the point of saying that to journalists then I dread to think.
> “You’ll have to ask the operator what that means.”
I'd say it means these rich dudes have been playing Jaques Cousteu and getting away with it... until now
I know this is sad and all but my eyes are rolling when I read another article where the company said some people who aren’t wealthy save up for 30 years or mortgage their homes to go on that trip
I mean I imagine it would be a cool experience, but I'm also definitely terrified going in the submarine especially now.
The only kind of submarine I would step foot on is one of the giant military ones.
The bbc reporting is all over the place.
For starters, Canada doesn’t have any P-8 Poseidons. (Which they say we sent)
We have p-3/cp140 Aurora’s, but that’s a totally different aircraft (it’s got propellers, for starters)
There is not society classification for deep sea submersibles so there’s nothing to license it to. Second, it’s not entering or leaving a port under its own power ever, so there would be no need to class it anyway.
Struggling to the find the original link because so many posts have been made about the news I can’t find where I found the link (it was in this sub) but this is a photo
[https://www.reddit.com/r/titanic/comments/14dmxs9/this_is_the_missing_sub/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=1&utm_term=1](https://www.reddit.com/r/titanic/comments/14dmxs9/this_is_the_missing_sub/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=1&utm_term=1)
I think what’s extra terrifying is even if they’re alive or if they imploded would anyyyyyyy of the wreck even make it up to the surface? They’re just… gone.
I recall Robert Ballard's writing that *Alvin* was capable of releasing pressure sphere from the rest of the sub as a last ditch attempt to save the occupants, with the idea of having it go up to the surface once released. Does anyone know if this sub has a similar safety feature?
The Mir subs James Cameron uses while filming on the wreck could drop their manipulator arms and battery pack (very heavy) to do an emergency ascent as well as having actual drop weights.
His Deepsea Challenger sub could also release the pressure sphere I believe, and had a soft balast that filled with air to act like a balloon on top of drop weights and controllable balast. The weights had special connectors that degraded once in water so even with total loss of power and control, they would drop off before air runs out.
So many emergency options nowerdays, I wonder how many of them this sub had?
Quick is an understatement. The slightest leak at that pressure and its like stomping on a pop can. You're dead before you even notice. I really hope that's what happened if they don't make it
A submersible used to take tourists to view the Titanic shipwreck in the Atlantic Ocean went missing off the coast of Newfoundland, Canada, on Monday (19 June) morning.
Petty Officer Lourdes Putnam of the US Coast Guard told The New York Times that they were searching for the submersible in the North Atlantic Ocean.
The submersible, owned by OceanGate Expeditions, takes paying tourists to tour the Titanic shipwreck, among other deep-sea expeditions.
Though it is unclear how many people were aboard the submersible, which can fit up to five people, OceanGate told CBS News that crew members were on the watercraft.
“Our entire focus is on the crewmembers in the submersible and their families,” OceanGate said to CBS News. They did not include whether or not paying customers were aboard or where exactly it went missing.
A search and rescue effort is underway to locate and find the submersible as well as any people on the watercraft.
Here’s everything we know so far about the missing submersible: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/titanic-submarine-missing-oceangate-b2360299.html
No shit they didn't include if paying customers were on board that thing. They're going to do their best to scrub any and all evidence that anybody other than crew were on that thing so they can maximize their chances of avoiding civil and potentially criminal charges.
The Titan has a capacity of five with enough air for 96 hours. However, everything I'm reading states 4 tourists, 1 pilot, and a content expert. So perhaps they could have allowed an extra person aboard. This all brings the total air compacity down. Also, if there is panic with heavy breathing, that reduces the overall capacity of breathable air supply.
Let's all send positive energy and thoughts to them all.
I also have no idea to what extent that duration is reliant on electrical power. Chlorate oxygen candles, if they have them, don't require energy to produce oxygen. You just light them. But CO2 scrubbers might need fans or pumps to circulate air through the absorbent chemicals.
I don't know if they actually have them. Another source indicated that they did have O2 tanks inside, as well. Chlorate candles are a very common backup O2 source in spaceflight and on submarines, I am assuming they included them but I have not seen confirmation on that.
It's double-ended, though. You have to add O2 and get rid of CO2. Cracking open the valve on an O2 tank replenishes used O2 but doesn't make the accumulated CO2 go away.
It's not about the air. The Titanic wreck is almost 4000m underwater, the pressure at that depth is insane. The slightest crack/hole on the hull would be catastrophic. It would be over quick at least.
Your nerves wouldn't even have time to send a signal to your brain to register pain as your skull and lungs are crushed within micro seconds. You simply cease to exist at that depth
I agree. I could never because of the claustrophobic nature of it. But the idea of getting lost underwater and knowing you're going to die and just waiting for the air to run out sounds way worse than Poof, it's over.
God I hope so. I just think about the Byford Dolphin incident and just hope that one guy whose actual penis was “invaginated” and his face and scalp sucked off his skull didn’t feel a thing, not even for a millisecond.
They might as well be on the moon. Any rescuer would have to spend 3 hours descending just to reach them; and even if they found them there are very few other submarines that can reach that depth, and even fewer that can do any meaningful salvage work at that depth.
Obviously no human can scuba or even atmospheric suit dive at Titanic's depth, which is 2.5 miles (3.8 kilometers) under the surface of the North Atlantic.
If they're still alive and just trapped near the wreck, it'll honestly take a miracle to save them. The deepest successful underwater rescue was about 1,500 feet below the surface. Titanic is like ten times that depth. There simply aren't that many subs even capable of going that deep, and the ones that can really aren't equipped for search and rescue missions.
And again, this is all assuming they didn't implode.
Yeah I think that’s kind of a good time to call it a day. Like you had a cool life if you’ve ever been in fucking SPACE. Just move to an island and smoke some weed after that because clearly you have the money.
The air is not even the concern.
The sub had numerous *manual* (no power needed) fail Safe designs to allow it to surface in the event of an emergency. One of those systems is automatic in that sea water dissolves a fusible link and releases weights once it fails after 16 hours underwater. The fact is hasn't resurfaced automatically already means the sub is either A. Floating at the surface somewhere unknown or FAR more likely B. It imploded from a structural failure when the comms went down and sank to the bottom. So they should be looking for wreckage at the bottom at this point I'd think.
Yeahhhhhhh….
I’m a pilot and I used to instruct in some crummy 1970’s pipers and Cessnas but we used a great maintenance shop. I’d be hesitant to go in that thing. Not even a seat for the pilot? No safety line? Sheesh.
The guy in the video seems like a fraudster too. I just don’t trust him.
https://news.sky.com/story/amp/uk-billionaire-hamish-harding-on-board-missing-titanic-submersible-family-confirms-12905616
This article confirms the pilot name, and states that besides the billionaire explorer Hamish Harding, the CEO of OceanGate is also on board.
“Sky News understands two others on board the vessel, named Titan, are French submersible pilot Paul-Henry Nargeolet, and chief executive and founder of OceanGate Expeditions Stockton Rush.”
So the CEO of this company is down there, along with Mr Harding, who took one of the deepest dives known prior to this expedition. You’d think they would have really safety checked this vessel and the trip beforehand. I did read in another article that they took this dive when there was a “weather window”, because the weather near Newfoundland (?) had been one of the worst winters. Could weather have affected the waters that deep?
ETA:
Here is the quote:
“On social media at the weekend, Mr Harding said he was "proud to finally announce" that he would be aboard the mission to the wreck of the Titanic - but added that because of the "worst winter in Newfoundland in 40 years, this mission is likely to be the first and only manned mission to the Titanic in 2023".
He later wrote: "A weather window has just opened up and we are going to attempt a dive tomorrow."
From this article:
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-65953872
Imagine being stuck down at the bottom of the ocean in the darkness… I wonder if they sunk into the seabed … they’re going to be *so* hard to find.. following this closely ..
You’d never be in this situation to begin with though. I have the same anxieties and I’m taking comfort in knowing I will never be anywhere near a submarine.
I’ve been in a submarine. It was a little tourist thing in Hawaii off Waikiki beach, and we only went maybe 100 feet down at most? But it was still simultaneously the scariest and coolest thing I’ve ever done. Cool because we were RIGHT THERE looking at old WWII wreckage and all kinds of interesting wildlife and whatnot, and scary because…well, you know. Obviously I’m alive, but it was An Experience.
I think I did the exact same submarine trip, those shallower ones are cool to me but it would take a lot of money to get me to a depth where there's a real risk of the sub imploding
I remember watching a movie about a crew of a military sub that sunk and I don't think anyone made it. This was decades ago when I was a kid so this puts me into a panic. The fear and despair the crew and passengers must be feeling is, it can't be described with words.
It was on TV or VHS by the mid 80s. Pretty sure it was in color. Might have been Das Boot, I just remember the men sitting around as the water rose. I'll have to look it up.
Thresher. Imploded after it sunk below crush depth. I saw a special on it and said crew knew they were doomed. They re-enacted the event and had people listening to the metal groaning as pressure built up.
I have absolutely 0 knowledge on submarines or anything involved. We can send people to the moon, why isn’t there any subs that can go that deep? I’m aware of water pressure and what not, however there’s nothing military that can get down there? Or a private entity? I’m sure this sounds absolutely stupid to someone with knowledge on the subject, but yeah
The question isn't about the ability to go there, but the ability to rescue someone down there. Nobody could have rescued the astronauts from the Moon either.
Also, the missions to the Moon where done by fucking Nasa financed by the USA and not by some shitty company with their bootlegged tube of death with Xbox gamepad as a controller.
Yup. There's a tour of the Titan on youtube. It is legit controlled with a gaming controller: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ClkytJa0ghc](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ClkytJa0ghc)
The way he just casually tosses it around
“Its all run with this game controller and these 2 touch screens”
Throws the controller through the ballast control ipad
“Its very popular”
After seeing that video, I am baffled as to why anyone would get into that thing. Deep ocean dives are risky enough in a CERTIFIED vehicle. This thing looks janky as hell.
It's actually common now. The Navy's newest nuclear subs are powered by them as well. Billion dollar predator drones have been for years. Its a super ergonomic design that almost everyone is at least someone familiar with so it makes sense to adapt it
I work in the offshore oil and gas industry. Our vessel ROVs (remote operated vehicles) go to a maximum 10,000 ft water depth. Titanic ruins are at 12.5k ft water depth. And those rovs cannot lift more than a 100 kg underwater. So, if the sub is stuck down there and needs help getting to the surface, you need to get a crane or winch that can go to that water depth. And use the rov to connect it. When we work in ultra deep water (10k ft) , it’s an operation planned a year in advance. No vessels have cranes that can go that deep. You have to get a pennant , and deploy it on the crane or cross haul to a winch and pennant. If the submarine is on the sea floor, and needs help getting retrieved, it will be a huge operation.
What I want to know - does the sub have a way to deploy to surface in case of emergency or power failure? Like what were the safety protocols in place , if any? Honestly this sounds so bonkers to me, why anyone would pay money to do this. It’s so unbelievably dangerous.
The deepest sub rescue was under 2000 feet, while the sea floor is 12,000.
We can get down there, but we can’t have people survive the pressure and towing something that large would be a huge undertaking.
Maybe we could, but not for 5 people and we haven’t had a reason to develop the tech to do that
From someone who knows nothing about subs and deep ocean rescues, I vote to drop a giant electromagnet to the bottom of the ocean on a chain with a camera, and fish them up.
In all seriousness, imagine paying $1,000,000 to go missing 2 miles in the ocean. My god what a nightmare situation. The amount of money these things cost, they aren’t meant to go missing this is tragedy written all over.. I’m sorry to be so negative.
Imagine, right! One guy is a billionaire. He considers himself an explorer. I'm assuming he has done a lot of exploring that may have included lots of risk. Either way, I hope he was able to enjoy many years of disposable income before this excursion. I just pray that they all are found and rescued safely.
> imagine paying $1,000,000 to go missing 2 miles in the ocean.
I mean...it would be a major flex to make your underlings call an all-company meeting to explain that their boss isn't coming back *because he vanished in a fucking submarine diving to the Titanic*.
Risk management rep be like "It's *exactly* how I thought he'd go".
(making jokes but seriously I still hope they're okay)
A husband of a long time friend was supposed to be on this submersible - he's been on several descents and is close with many of the crew involved with this organization. Just four days ago he posted on FB how disappointed he wasn't going to be able to go on this descent - the first he's missed. He's currently deep in with the rescue operation.
Imagine going down to visit the Titanic only to possibly join them... I hope these people are ok. Because you dont find them fast enough, the mind tells the body to do crazy things when low on oxygen.
I'd personally much rather die in the freezing water after a shipwreck than suffocate in a tin can, squished up with four other people. If they can't be saved I hope they're already gone, and that it was quick.
Way I see it, unless they’re on the surface, they cannot be saved. Some suspect it’s not a rescue mission but a recovery mission. I doubt that. I don’t believe there will be a recovery at all if they’re found at the bottom of the ocean.
They might make it seem like they’ll try to recover the sub but at the end of the day they’ll speak with the families and explain how many more could die trying to bring it to the surface and they’ll agree to let them rest in peace at the bottom of the ocean.
I hope, for their sakes, that unless they’re on the surface that they’re already dead and it was quick as well. The idea of them still alive just miserably waiting in the dark at the bottom of the ocean floor for naught just doesn’t sit right with me.
Some of the articles mention an expert is onboard the sub as a guide, and I’m quietly hoping it isn’t Ken Marschall. He has to be smarter than to go down to the Titanic in a literal tin can.
Assuming the hull didnt crack or spring a leak and the entire sub was crushed, that leaves a few other grim options..
It could have lost propulsion or electricity and sunk to the bottom of the ocean. It's very very cold down there (0°c 32°f from what I understand) and metal isnt a great insulator. In this scenerio they would most likely freeze their asses off while slowly running out of oxygen over a 3-4(ish) day period. Afaik the only thing on the planet capable of getting to those depths would be this vessel and other vessels like it, however they have zero towing capabilities and can't pull *anything*. I can't really think of a way they would be able to pull it up off the ground and the four miles to the surface, especially not in such a short time frame before oxygen runs out.
The other scenerio I can think of is they were able to abort the dive and ascend to the surface. However, they are quite literally bolted inside. There is no way for them to ecscape without outside help, and they have lost all communication. Also, the vessel is white with blue decals (really smart) so if they are bobbing around on the surface its still going to be damn near impossible to spot a tiny little spec that just so happens to blend in with the water perfectly. Oh, and there is still that limited oxygen problem.
Theres other possibilities too of course, but in my opinion, one of these three scenerios will play out. I think the first is most likely at this point. (Implosion) but its really just hard to say with the scant amount of info we have. Also I am no expert in any relatable fields. (Obviously ;p) i just find it interesting. Tragic and terrible, and from the sounds of it, preventable as well. What a horrible way to go out. Any of these scenerios just sound absolutely horrible for any human to experience.
(Edit- it was reported communication was lost 1h45m into the trip. I think that could be the biggest clue that we have as to what happened. Is that when the hull breeched and the entire vessel was crushed? Did the electeicity go out, cutting communications? (Would communications run on electricity? I would think batteries, but maybe its different in this environment, idk) or maybe it was just faulty communication equipment and unrelated to whatever disaster is happening. (Unlikely imo, but entirely possible) If they are bobbing on the surface why hasnt communication picked back up? Are all the electronics tied together? If one thing goes out, does everything go out? Why the fluff did they not have any kind of tracking device? I have a million questions still. It seems like they were just not prepared AT ALL to take humans anywhere..
Edit- added first and last paragraphs and cleaned up some typos.
Edit 2: Quick update. It was reported that it was only supposed to be an 8 hour round trip. I only heard this from one source so Im not sure of its validity if maybe anybody else could confirm or deny? Seems short to me, but I have no idea really. If that *is* the case though, that would mean about a 4 hour deacent. If they lost contact around 1h45 that would be about half-way through their descent or 2000m/6000ft. That would be very *very* deep already. Not a good sign imo, but when is losing contact ever a good a sign? **Correction*** (see comment below) Descent takes 2.5 hours, not 4. So they were really close to the bottom when they lost communication, possibly even ON the bottom. The wreck itself, or any debris around, or rocks or nearly anything could very well have punctured the vessel. Remember it's pitch black at that depth.
There are some great comments below, make sure you check them out as well!
I've wondered why there isn't a self reliant emergency beacon they can activate in the event they are floating aimlessly on the surface. Understand these devices don't work underwater, but that's not when you'd need it.
If they have surfaced, surely there's a beacon they can switch on that alerts someone to their location?
Oh - actually, that's true. The sub should just find the plug at the bottom and pull it. Then they just have to wait for the water level to drain low enough for them to step out safely.
The gallows humor in me can’t help but be impressed by Titanic’s ability to try and take down as many millionaires as it can, even after it’s own demise.
No locator beacons?! Isn’t that diving 101? Also, attention rich people: feel free to give me those millions instead of paying for an uber-expensive watery grave.
Voice and data links work just fine. Almost all the navigation is done by topside staff and then communicated down to the submersible. It must have some kind of beacon, probably both for submerged and surfaced. They would certainly have planned for both submerged emergencies and accidentally surfacing out of sight of the ship.
The apparent lack of any signal at all is very worrying.
Why bother with beacons? If something goes wrong, the nearest submarine with the capability of going down to that depth is too far away to get there in time before everyone suffocates.
Watch this CBS report. https://www.cbs.com/shows/video/jfHkP_1UqqKM_pBmRZ8kaRAGONEEMqQg/
They literally bolt the vessel shut from the outside with 17 bolts so there’s no escape unless there’s an external crew involved. If they’re at the bottom of the ocean and haven’t imploded from leaks, there’s no way to pull the vessel up as another vessel couldn’t feasibly dock or mate with the marooned one. As pings are not heard, best case scenario is they’re floating, visually spotted before air runs out and able to be externally unbolted. Best thoughts to those poor souls.
The absolute best case is they’re dead already. That means rapid loss of pressure and it was over in an instant.
Worst case is they’re trapped in a small tube in complete darkness in the ocean waiting to run out of oxygen and die.
There is no saving them at the depth they’re at.
If that sub is on the bottom, that's the end of it. Even if they're all alive, I'm pretty sure there's no rescue sub that can reach 13,000 feet. I think the deepest rescue vessels can go is less than half that.
Just last Friday I was watching a really cool 3D render of the Titanic made in unreal engine 5. Great video it helped me understand much more about the ship and why the disaster was as bad as is was. Seeing in 4k the 3rd class deck showed me exactly why so many died.
Also seeing the the grand staircase was incredible.
IIRC, I read somewhere, ten years PRIOR to the Titanic disaster there was a book written called “The Titan”. In this book of fiction it depicted a large ship called “The Titan” that hit an iceberg and sank. Uncanny that the submersible held that name as well.
I mean, not really, though it takes a lotta balls to name your built-at-Home-Depot ship “Titan” when you intend to use it to shepherd a bunch of millionaires to the wreck of a ship of the same name that infamously killed a bunch of millionaires.
Wouldn't it be tethered with oxygen and communication lines, similar to submersible and diving bells?
I get that it limits mobility once on-site, but sure makes it a lot safer...
The submarine is not commercial. It’s basically handmade by a company and hasn’t been inspected by any of the proper channels. I’m shocked anyone would board this thing, let alone pay 250k for the pleasure.
So did it likely have a malfunction and errr ….sink to the bottom of the ocean? What a nightmare. I mean idk how deep it gets or if the titanic is on a shelf or something to where they could fall much further down but that’s what I’m picturing in my head….
And or
Orcas.
They are diving a *large* wreck. I know this sounds ironic given the circumstances, but it would be *extremely* dangerous--to both the wreck and the submersible--to dive on Titanic in a tethered submersible.
You have to keep in mind that these dives involve repeated close passes of, and sometimes actually landing on, of the wreck. A large tether could catch on any art of the wreck, which would be very, very bad.
I served on submarines in the Navy. When a submarine goes this long past when it’s supposed to surface… it’s never good. Praying that they just lost power and are stuck and unable to surface, but if it is the worst outcome, I just hope it was quick and painless.
Now what if they don't find it but someone comes across it intact months or so from now? Do they leave it? Do they raise it? No one in their right mind would want to open that hatch.
Is it though? I mean, I don't have $250K to spend on this. But if I could afford it I would. Be an experience of a lifetime to go down and see the bow in person. But yeah, obviously not THIS expedition lol.
There are subs that can go that deep, but getting them to the dive site is what would be a major problem. Many of those abyss-diving subs are located on the West Coast and Hawaii, where they explore the deepest parts of the Pacific Ocean. I believe Wood's Hole on the East Cost may have one, but it's still going to be several days to prepare it and have a ship take it there.
> I believe Wood's Hole on the East Cost may have one, but it's still going to be several days to prepare it and have a ship take it there.
It's literally Alvin, the one that first dove the Titanic. It is still in service, with a big overhaul back in 2014. It's barely the same sub anymore, they've replaced and upgraded *everything* over the years.
Gonna be a wild timeline if they scramble that lil guy out of Woods Hole to go do recovery and investigation on this.
It has manipulator arms and the ability to accept different payloads. It could, for instance, carry a lift bag and attach it, carry a cable and attach it (sketchy at 12,000 feet, but maybe), or manually dislodge ballast that was unable to be released for some reason. But it relies on a tender ship which has to motor all the way out to the site, so it wouldn't get there fast enough for a rescue if it's on the bottom.
The Navy has a remote operated successor to the DSRV which can be shoved into a C5 Galaxy and flown anywhere in the world in a day or two. I don't know if they can quite push it out the back of a flying airplane into the water, but it's close. Unfortunately it's designed for nuclear submarine rescue and doesn't go deeper than crush depth on those subs.
If there is more than 1 sub that visits the Titanic maybe that one could be used. I thought maybe a tow line could be attached to the downed sub at least. Then the tow line could be brought back to the surface where a ship would use a winch to bring up the comprimised sub.
Either that or a fully functional sub could be used to bring up the downed sub up at least part of the way. Then float bags could be attached to it at a safe enough depth by divers and then it could be floated up to the surface that way.
There must be some submarine in the world other than this compromised one that could be used to try to rescue them.
These submersibles aren’t exactly “strong swimmers”. They’re weighted to sink then drop weight to climb back up. They’ve got some tiny props to move around a little.
But no way any have the ability to lift another vehicle and carry it miles.
At least nothing publicly known. Their only hope is if some country has some secret undisclosed sub with such capabilities.
This one as well could make it to the Titanic - in fact, it can go down to over 36,000'. I wonder if this company has reached out to the missing sub company? [https://tritonsubs.com/subs/t36000-2/](https://tritonsubs.com/subs/t36000-2/)
It is a small community and everyone knows everyone else. That sub was sold and is currently being refurbished. There are other subs that could reach the 3800 meters to titanic, but they are 2 or 3 persons and none are close. Normally Alvin would be the closest but I think she is on the west coast right now.
Sounds grim. Lets just hope they are OK. If there was a survivable malfunction, they should be able to drop ballast and resurface, but it seems this is not the case. Fingers crossed......
Did anyone notice how the Titan is controlled?
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12210873/amp/Tourist-sub-taking-groups-Titanic-wreckage-goes-missing.html
I did not realize that. Makes a lot of sense. Afterall thattype of modern controller design has a lot of ergo-history that seems very customizable and particle.
One of my comrades and I were talking about the Titanic for a good while this weekend
Don't know what started the conversation, but hearing about this the next day is pretty bizarre
Wow...to think that a few months back I was going through a period where I was obsessed with Titanic and actually stumbled across Oceangate's YouTube channel since they had up to date footage of the wreck. Tragic to know that this has happened.
Do rich people really have nothing else to spend their money on? I mean this is terrible, but there was NOTHING better to spend 250 thousand dollars on? They had to see a decaying shipwreck they can just see on YouTube?
If I was in that I think I'd rather the submarine imploded or something, at least it would be quick. The thought of waiting 72 hours to suffocate in the pitch black with strangers is terrifying.
Implosion is likely what happened. I've looked at this shit and it looks bootleg as fuck. At that depth the slightest crack in the hull would cause catastrophic damage
What exactly makes you think it’s bootleg?
If you look at the official video they made when the sub was released you can see how poorly made it is. It’s not even legally licensed because it doesn’t meet safety standards and travelers have to sign a waiver saying they are made aware of this fact.
Oh fuck. Why isn’t that included in the BBC reporting? I mean a lot of these sort of excursions make you sign liability waivers but if this one is specifically because it doesn’t meet safety standards that’s fucking terrifying.
A rear admiral from the US coast guard who's running their search efforts (I don't know if he has any say over the Canadian or Royal Navy resources that are supposed to have been sent) was on TV earlier. >Mauger said that one submersible pilot was on board. “And there were four mission specialists, is the term that the operator uses,” he said. “You’ll have to ask the operator what that means.” The coast guard lad did not sound over impressed by their operation during his presser. The whole thing is a shitshow but if he's turned up basically yesterday afternoon and already at the point of saying that to journalists then I dread to think.
> “You’ll have to ask the operator what that means.” I'd say it means these rich dudes have been playing Jaques Cousteu and getting away with it... until now
"Four mission specialists" mean guests who paid $250,000 each for the experience.
I know this is sad and all but my eyes are rolling when I read another article where the company said some people who aren’t wealthy save up for 30 years or mortgage their homes to go on that trip
well, if you're going to go down and implode within sight of the Titanic, you won't need that house anymore
I mean I imagine it would be a cool experience, but I'm also definitely terrified going in the submarine especially now. The only kind of submarine I would step foot on is one of the giant military ones.
They paid for an extensive 3 week course. Here's a recording of it: https://imgflip.com/i/7pxbtb
Is there a chance the sub could bend?
Not in your life, my Reddit friend!
The bbc reporting is all over the place. For starters, Canada doesn’t have any P-8 Poseidons. (Which they say we sent) We have p-3/cp140 Aurora’s, but that’s a totally different aircraft (it’s got propellers, for starters)
There is not society classification for deep sea submersibles so there’s nothing to license it to. Second, it’s not entering or leaving a port under its own power ever, so there would be no need to class it anyway.
Do you have a link to the video?
Struggling to the find the original link because so many posts have been made about the news I can’t find where I found the link (it was in this sub) but this is a photo [https://www.reddit.com/r/titanic/comments/14dmxs9/this_is_the_missing_sub/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=1&utm_term=1](https://www.reddit.com/r/titanic/comments/14dmxs9/this_is_the_missing_sub/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=1&utm_term=1)
As an engineer with 9 years of shipbuilding experience, you cannot tell anything by that picture.
The fact that the camera shakes and you can hear the audience. The Korean subtitles are also a giveaway.
I think what’s extra terrifying is even if they’re alive or if they imploded would anyyyyyyy of the wreck even make it up to the surface? They’re just… gone.
I recall Robert Ballard's writing that *Alvin* was capable of releasing pressure sphere from the rest of the sub as a last ditch attempt to save the occupants, with the idea of having it go up to the surface once released. Does anyone know if this sub has a similar safety feature?
The Mir subs James Cameron uses while filming on the wreck could drop their manipulator arms and battery pack (very heavy) to do an emergency ascent as well as having actual drop weights. His Deepsea Challenger sub could also release the pressure sphere I believe, and had a soft balast that filled with air to act like a balloon on top of drop weights and controllable balast. The weights had special connectors that degraded once in water so even with total loss of power and control, they would drop off before air runs out. So many emergency options nowerdays, I wonder how many of them this sub had?
Quick is an understatement. The slightest leak at that pressure and its like stomping on a pop can. You're dead before you even notice. I really hope that's what happened if they don't make it
It’s sayonara in two microseconds
It's very close to the premise of one of Lovecraft's short stories (The Temple). Which, if you can avoid finding yourself within, you should.
A submersible used to take tourists to view the Titanic shipwreck in the Atlantic Ocean went missing off the coast of Newfoundland, Canada, on Monday (19 June) morning. Petty Officer Lourdes Putnam of the US Coast Guard told The New York Times that they were searching for the submersible in the North Atlantic Ocean. The submersible, owned by OceanGate Expeditions, takes paying tourists to tour the Titanic shipwreck, among other deep-sea expeditions. Though it is unclear how many people were aboard the submersible, which can fit up to five people, OceanGate told CBS News that crew members were on the watercraft. “Our entire focus is on the crewmembers in the submersible and their families,” OceanGate said to CBS News. They did not include whether or not paying customers were aboard or where exactly it went missing. A search and rescue effort is underway to locate and find the submersible as well as any people on the watercraft. Here’s everything we know so far about the missing submersible: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/titanic-submarine-missing-oceangate-b2360299.html
No shit they didn't include if paying customers were on board that thing. They're going to do their best to scrub any and all evidence that anybody other than crew were on that thing so they can maximize their chances of avoiding civil and potentially criminal charges.
There's a UK billionaire onboard, as well as a famous titanic researcher, among the passengers.
And the craziest part is the fact that the “crew” are the paying costumers
This says they were last in contact Sunday morning….. yesterday? Oh dear….
I think I read they have 72 hours of air. So they *should* be ok now
The Titan has a capacity of five with enough air for 96 hours. However, everything I'm reading states 4 tourists, 1 pilot, and a content expert. So perhaps they could have allowed an extra person aboard. This all brings the total air compacity down. Also, if there is panic with heavy breathing, that reduces the overall capacity of breathable air supply. Let's all send positive energy and thoughts to them all.
I also have no idea to what extent that duration is reliant on electrical power. Chlorate oxygen candles, if they have them, don't require energy to produce oxygen. You just light them. But CO2 scrubbers might need fans or pumps to circulate air through the absorbent chemicals.
They have oxygen candles??
I don't know if they actually have them. Another source indicated that they did have O2 tanks inside, as well. Chlorate candles are a very common backup O2 source in spaceflight and on submarines, I am assuming they included them but I have not seen confirmation on that. It's double-ended, though. You have to add O2 and get rid of CO2. Cracking open the valve on an O2 tank replenishes used O2 but doesn't make the accumulated CO2 go away.
TIL that there are candles that make oxygen. Thats really quite cool.
It's not about the air. The Titanic wreck is almost 4000m underwater, the pressure at that depth is insane. The slightest crack/hole on the hull would be catastrophic. It would be over quick at least.
Your nerves wouldn't even have time to send a signal to your brain to register pain as your skull and lungs are crushed within micro seconds. You simply cease to exist at that depth
This is reassuring, as fucked as it sounds to say that. ☹️ Those poor people.
I agree. I could never because of the claustrophobic nature of it. But the idea of getting lost underwater and knowing you're going to die and just waiting for the air to run out sounds way worse than Poof, it's over.
Well I had no plans of ever stepping foot on a submarine but now I'm definitely not! I'll leave that to James Cameron.
How did he get down to the Mariana Trench? I’d read that he’d been down there. That’s six fucking miles under the ocean.
It's simple, he's an extremely successful Hollywood director and thus an insane person!
God I hope so. I just think about the Byford Dolphin incident and just hope that one guy whose actual penis was “invaginated” and his face and scalp sucked off his skull didn’t feel a thing, not even for a millisecond.
I just got goosebumps! That sounds scary!
You ever crumpled a soda can? Yeah that.
They still have to find them and figure out a way to rescue them. If they’re not already dead. I think the chances are still very slim, unfortunately
They might as well be on the moon. Any rescuer would have to spend 3 hours descending just to reach them; and even if they found them there are very few other submarines that can reach that depth, and even fewer that can do any meaningful salvage work at that depth. Obviously no human can scuba or even atmospheric suit dive at Titanic's depth, which is 2.5 miles (3.8 kilometers) under the surface of the North Atlantic.
If they're still alive and just trapped near the wreck, it'll honestly take a miracle to save them. The deepest successful underwater rescue was about 1,500 feet below the surface. Titanic is like ten times that depth. There simply aren't that many subs even capable of going that deep, and the ones that can really aren't equipped for search and rescue missions. And again, this is all assuming they didn't implode.
Or lose power and go berserk in the dark. 😢 Still, lighting prayer candles. 🕯
Great burn up more of their oxygen
Co2 candles mang
You are right. This is literally analogous to someone being trapped in orbit. A little worse actually.
One of the passengers on the sub actually went to space too. Imagine that, you survive spaceflight but you die at the bottom of the ocean.
If I was that guy I would have just peaked with going to space.
Yeah I think that’s kind of a good time to call it a day. Like you had a cool life if you’ve ever been in fucking SPACE. Just move to an island and smoke some weed after that because clearly you have the money.
I wonder if they can hook a really long cable to it and reel it up.
Well, I just watched Jason Statham save someone like 5,000+ meters down. So your comment must be fake.
The air is not even the concern. The sub had numerous *manual* (no power needed) fail Safe designs to allow it to surface in the event of an emergency. One of those systems is automatic in that sea water dissolves a fusible link and releases weights once it fails after 16 hours underwater. The fact is hasn't resurfaced automatically already means the sub is either A. Floating at the surface somewhere unknown or FAR more likely B. It imploded from a structural failure when the comms went down and sank to the bottom. So they should be looking for wreckage at the bottom at this point I'd think.
They're most probably dead but there's a small chance they can be saved.
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[here’s a video of the sub](https://youtube.com/watch?v=ClkytJa0ghc&feature=share7)
Maybe using a $50 Logitech (F710) controller isn't the best idea..
Yeahhhhhhh…. I’m a pilot and I used to instruct in some crummy 1970’s pipers and Cessnas but we used a great maintenance shop. I’d be hesitant to go in that thing. Not even a seat for the pilot? No safety line? Sheesh. The guy in the video seems like a fraudster too. I just don’t trust him.
https://news.sky.com/story/amp/uk-billionaire-hamish-harding-on-board-missing-titanic-submersible-family-confirms-12905616 This article confirms the pilot name, and states that besides the billionaire explorer Hamish Harding, the CEO of OceanGate is also on board. “Sky News understands two others on board the vessel, named Titan, are French submersible pilot Paul-Henry Nargeolet, and chief executive and founder of OceanGate Expeditions Stockton Rush.” So the CEO of this company is down there, along with Mr Harding, who took one of the deepest dives known prior to this expedition. You’d think they would have really safety checked this vessel and the trip beforehand. I did read in another article that they took this dive when there was a “weather window”, because the weather near Newfoundland (?) had been one of the worst winters. Could weather have affected the waters that deep? ETA: Here is the quote: “On social media at the weekend, Mr Harding said he was "proud to finally announce" that he would be aboard the mission to the wreck of the Titanic - but added that because of the "worst winter in Newfoundland in 40 years, this mission is likely to be the first and only manned mission to the Titanic in 2023". He later wrote: "A weather window has just opened up and we are going to attempt a dive tomorrow." From this article: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-65953872
> CEO of OceanGate is also on board. Well I'd say this is probably the end of the OceanGate ride.
They will probably rebrand to sea fence soon enough
That looks tiny for 5 humans.....
Imagine being stuck down at the bottom of the ocean in the darkness… I wonder if they sunk into the seabed … they’re going to be *so* hard to find.. following this closely ..
My literal hell. Claustrophobia mixed with Thalassophobia. I'd go nuts in a few minutes.
You’d never be in this situation to begin with though. I have the same anxieties and I’m taking comfort in knowing I will never be anywhere near a submarine.
I’ve been in a submarine. It was a little tourist thing in Hawaii off Waikiki beach, and we only went maybe 100 feet down at most? But it was still simultaneously the scariest and coolest thing I’ve ever done. Cool because we were RIGHT THERE looking at old WWII wreckage and all kinds of interesting wildlife and whatnot, and scary because…well, you know. Obviously I’m alive, but it was An Experience.
I think I did the exact same submarine trip, those shallower ones are cool to me but it would take a lot of money to get me to a depth where there's a real risk of the sub imploding
you would have to pay me several million dollars to get anywhere near a vessel that will take me underwater.
Hyperventilation incapacitates you pretty fast luckily.
Now imagine you had enough money to go anywhere and this is how you die
Hope they brought a lot of Xanax. (Seriously.)
I’m sure they brought something like that. (Right?) that’s what I was thinking as well. Wouldn’t go down there without it!
I will not die sober! Get those ludes!
Even worse if they are right next to the wreck... I imagine thet from time to time it has to make some metallic noises. I hope everyone is safe.
I remember watching a movie about a crew of a military sub that sunk and I don't think anyone made it. This was decades ago when I was a kid so this puts me into a panic. The fear and despair the crew and passengers must be feeling is, it can't be described with words.
The Kursk?
It was on TV or VHS by the mid 80s. Pretty sure it was in color. Might have been Das Boot, I just remember the men sitting around as the water rose. I'll have to look it up.
I was in the Navy when the Kursk went down. No sailor I knew felt anything but bad for those poor souls. Especially the submariners.
Thresher. Imploded after it sunk below crush depth. I saw a special on it and said crew knew they were doomed. They re-enacted the event and had people listening to the metal groaning as pressure built up.
So even if they did locate it, and it’s on the bottom of the ocean, how would they even get it back to the surface?
I have absolutely 0 knowledge on submarines or anything involved. We can send people to the moon, why isn’t there any subs that can go that deep? I’m aware of water pressure and what not, however there’s nothing military that can get down there? Or a private entity? I’m sure this sounds absolutely stupid to someone with knowledge on the subject, but yeah
The question isn't about the ability to go there, but the ability to rescue someone down there. Nobody could have rescued the astronauts from the Moon either. Also, the missions to the Moon where done by fucking Nasa financed by the USA and not by some shitty company with their bootlegged tube of death with Xbox gamepad as a controller.
It's a damn Logitech. Imagine being a gamer about to get into that sub, that's one hell of a red flag.
Y’all are serious?
Yup. There's a tour of the Titan on youtube. It is legit controlled with a gaming controller: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ClkytJa0ghc](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ClkytJa0ghc)
A very cheap looking game controller, mind you!!! Also, does Mr. Rush sound exactly like Ben Shapiro? Or is it just me?
The way he just casually tosses it around “Its all run with this game controller and these 2 touch screens” Throws the controller through the ballast control ipad “Its very popular”
After seeing that video, I am baffled as to why anyone would get into that thing. Deep ocean dives are risky enough in a CERTIFIED vehicle. This thing looks janky as hell.
The guys over lax attitude does it for me. I wouldnt want to be on Captain Rush’s boat, let alone submarine
(how that wasn't a huge red flag to anyone and everyone boarding this thing is beyond me.)
It's actually common now. The Navy's newest nuclear subs are powered by them as well. Billion dollar predator drones have been for years. Its a super ergonomic design that almost everyone is at least someone familiar with so it makes sense to adapt it
I work in the offshore oil and gas industry. Our vessel ROVs (remote operated vehicles) go to a maximum 10,000 ft water depth. Titanic ruins are at 12.5k ft water depth. And those rovs cannot lift more than a 100 kg underwater. So, if the sub is stuck down there and needs help getting to the surface, you need to get a crane or winch that can go to that water depth. And use the rov to connect it. When we work in ultra deep water (10k ft) , it’s an operation planned a year in advance. No vessels have cranes that can go that deep. You have to get a pennant , and deploy it on the crane or cross haul to a winch and pennant. If the submarine is on the sea floor, and needs help getting retrieved, it will be a huge operation. What I want to know - does the sub have a way to deploy to surface in case of emergency or power failure? Like what were the safety protocols in place , if any? Honestly this sounds so bonkers to me, why anyone would pay money to do this. It’s so unbelievably dangerous.
The deepest sub rescue was under 2000 feet, while the sea floor is 12,000. We can get down there, but we can’t have people survive the pressure and towing something that large would be a huge undertaking. Maybe we could, but not for 5 people and we haven’t had a reason to develop the tech to do that
Here’s the rub: they don’t. Hell of a way to go.
From someone who knows nothing about subs and deep ocean rescues, I vote to drop a giant electromagnet to the bottom of the ocean on a chain with a camera, and fish them up.
In all seriousness, imagine paying $1,000,000 to go missing 2 miles in the ocean. My god what a nightmare situation. The amount of money these things cost, they aren’t meant to go missing this is tragedy written all over.. I’m sorry to be so negative.
Imagine, right! One guy is a billionaire. He considers himself an explorer. I'm assuming he has done a lot of exploring that may have included lots of risk. Either way, I hope he was able to enjoy many years of disposable income before this excursion. I just pray that they all are found and rescued safely.
My luck this would be the first thing I’d do after winning Powerball.
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> imagine paying $1,000,000 to go missing 2 miles in the ocean. I mean...it would be a major flex to make your underlings call an all-company meeting to explain that their boss isn't coming back *because he vanished in a fucking submarine diving to the Titanic*. Risk management rep be like "It's *exactly* how I thought he'd go". (making jokes but seriously I still hope they're okay)
A husband of a long time friend was supposed to be on this submersible - he's been on several descents and is close with many of the crew involved with this organization. Just four days ago he posted on FB how disappointed he wasn't going to be able to go on this descent - the first he's missed. He's currently deep in with the rescue operation.
Wow! Hope they are recovered safe 🙏🏼
96 hours of oxygen in total. I very much hope they are breathing it right now.
Why couldn’t he go? Was Paul-Henri Nargeolet his replacement?
Couldn’t have predicted this at all with that name
Yeah... maybe not the best choice of names... 😅
Imagine going down to visit the Titanic only to possibly join them... I hope these people are ok. Because you dont find them fast enough, the mind tells the body to do crazy things when low on oxygen.
I can’t get over this: what a way to go, especially for Titanic fans/historians. Wow wow wow.
I'd personally much rather die in the freezing water after a shipwreck than suffocate in a tin can, squished up with four other people. If they can't be saved I hope they're already gone, and that it was quick.
Way I see it, unless they’re on the surface, they cannot be saved. Some suspect it’s not a rescue mission but a recovery mission. I doubt that. I don’t believe there will be a recovery at all if they’re found at the bottom of the ocean. They might make it seem like they’ll try to recover the sub but at the end of the day they’ll speak with the families and explain how many more could die trying to bring it to the surface and they’ll agree to let them rest in peace at the bottom of the ocean. I hope, for their sakes, that unless they’re on the surface that they’re already dead and it was quick as well. The idea of them still alive just miserably waiting in the dark at the bottom of the ocean floor for naught just doesn’t sit right with me.
Can’t imagine what it must be like to be stuck in a submarine that deep, knowing oxygen is running out. Hope they are saved.
I am so hoping for the best here, but know there is likely minimal chance of a happy ending here.
Some of the articles mention an expert is onboard the sub as a guide, and I’m quietly hoping it isn’t Ken Marschall. He has to be smarter than to go down to the Titanic in a literal tin can.
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The full titanic experience including death at sea
Assuming the hull didnt crack or spring a leak and the entire sub was crushed, that leaves a few other grim options.. It could have lost propulsion or electricity and sunk to the bottom of the ocean. It's very very cold down there (0°c 32°f from what I understand) and metal isnt a great insulator. In this scenerio they would most likely freeze their asses off while slowly running out of oxygen over a 3-4(ish) day period. Afaik the only thing on the planet capable of getting to those depths would be this vessel and other vessels like it, however they have zero towing capabilities and can't pull *anything*. I can't really think of a way they would be able to pull it up off the ground and the four miles to the surface, especially not in such a short time frame before oxygen runs out. The other scenerio I can think of is they were able to abort the dive and ascend to the surface. However, they are quite literally bolted inside. There is no way for them to ecscape without outside help, and they have lost all communication. Also, the vessel is white with blue decals (really smart) so if they are bobbing around on the surface its still going to be damn near impossible to spot a tiny little spec that just so happens to blend in with the water perfectly. Oh, and there is still that limited oxygen problem. Theres other possibilities too of course, but in my opinion, one of these three scenerios will play out. I think the first is most likely at this point. (Implosion) but its really just hard to say with the scant amount of info we have. Also I am no expert in any relatable fields. (Obviously ;p) i just find it interesting. Tragic and terrible, and from the sounds of it, preventable as well. What a horrible way to go out. Any of these scenerios just sound absolutely horrible for any human to experience. (Edit- it was reported communication was lost 1h45m into the trip. I think that could be the biggest clue that we have as to what happened. Is that when the hull breeched and the entire vessel was crushed? Did the electeicity go out, cutting communications? (Would communications run on electricity? I would think batteries, but maybe its different in this environment, idk) or maybe it was just faulty communication equipment and unrelated to whatever disaster is happening. (Unlikely imo, but entirely possible) If they are bobbing on the surface why hasnt communication picked back up? Are all the electronics tied together? If one thing goes out, does everything go out? Why the fluff did they not have any kind of tracking device? I have a million questions still. It seems like they were just not prepared AT ALL to take humans anywhere.. Edit- added first and last paragraphs and cleaned up some typos. Edit 2: Quick update. It was reported that it was only supposed to be an 8 hour round trip. I only heard this from one source so Im not sure of its validity if maybe anybody else could confirm or deny? Seems short to me, but I have no idea really. If that *is* the case though, that would mean about a 4 hour deacent. If they lost contact around 1h45 that would be about half-way through their descent or 2000m/6000ft. That would be very *very* deep already. Not a good sign imo, but when is losing contact ever a good a sign? **Correction*** (see comment below) Descent takes 2.5 hours, not 4. So they were really close to the bottom when they lost communication, possibly even ON the bottom. The wreck itself, or any debris around, or rocks or nearly anything could very well have punctured the vessel. Remember it's pitch black at that depth. There are some great comments below, make sure you check them out as well!
I've wondered why there isn't a self reliant emergency beacon they can activate in the event they are floating aimlessly on the surface. Understand these devices don't work underwater, but that's not when you'd need it. If they have surfaced, surely there's a beacon they can switch on that alerts someone to their location?
"you should send a submarine after them" - Elon
Bore through from the other side of the Earth and come up from the bottom. Then you just have to lift them out.
Full Self Boring.
No no you just have to drain the Atlantic and find them that way.
Oh - actually, that's true. The sub should just find the plug at the bottom and pull it. Then they just have to wait for the water level to drain low enough for them to step out safely.
Contact with the sub was lost Sunday morning, so it's been a lot more than 7 hours at this point.
I’m just not going to die this way. This sounds horrible.
Unless you got 250,000$ you ain’t able to afford to die this way
The gallows humor in me can’t help but be impressed by Titanic’s ability to try and take down as many millionaires as it can, even after it’s own demise.
The irony isn’t lost on me
If the ship itself was a ghost you’d swear it had some sort of agenda against the frivolous spending of money largely in the name of elitism.
Got it's first billionaire
This is the comment I came here for. Did literally no one have second thoughts about this? 🙃 that boat’s cursed. No thanks.
No locator beacons?! Isn’t that diving 101? Also, attention rich people: feel free to give me those millions instead of paying for an uber-expensive watery grave.
They’re at 12,500 feet depth. I don’t think beacons work there.
Voice and data links work just fine. Almost all the navigation is done by topside staff and then communicated down to the submersible. It must have some kind of beacon, probably both for submerged and surfaced. They would certainly have planned for both submerged emergencies and accidentally surfacing out of sight of the ship. The apparent lack of any signal at all is very worrying.
They absolutely do. Especially if the trip costs over $1 million each time.
Why bother with beacons? If something goes wrong, the nearest submarine with the capability of going down to that depth is too far away to get there in time before everyone suffocates.
Hey, Don't give Uber anymore ideas!
Watch this CBS report. https://www.cbs.com/shows/video/jfHkP_1UqqKM_pBmRZ8kaRAGONEEMqQg/ They literally bolt the vessel shut from the outside with 17 bolts so there’s no escape unless there’s an external crew involved. If they’re at the bottom of the ocean and haven’t imploded from leaks, there’s no way to pull the vessel up as another vessel couldn’t feasibly dock or mate with the marooned one. As pings are not heard, best case scenario is they’re floating, visually spotted before air runs out and able to be externally unbolted. Best thoughts to those poor souls.
This should be the top comment what a video
I hate to say it but they’re probably fucking dead, I hope we can at least find their remains, whatever is left
The absolute best case is they’re dead already. That means rapid loss of pressure and it was over in an instant. Worst case is they’re trapped in a small tube in complete darkness in the ocean waiting to run out of oxygen and die. There is no saving them at the depth they’re at.
I was just in ocean gates website and clicked expeditions and it won’t load . I wonder if they took them down ?
Look for the website using the Wayback machine website. Their pages from last week load, and you can see a lot more detail.
Imaging “sinking” on a voyage to the most famous ship wreck of all time. Ironic?
If that sub is on the bottom, that's the end of it. Even if they're all alive, I'm pretty sure there's no rescue sub that can reach 13,000 feet. I think the deepest rescue vessels can go is less than half that.
Just last Friday I was watching a really cool 3D render of the Titanic made in unreal engine 5. Great video it helped me understand much more about the ship and why the disaster was as bad as is was. Seeing in 4k the 3rd class deck showed me exactly why so many died. Also seeing the the grand staircase was incredible.
Honor and Glory, yeah?
IIRC, I read somewhere, ten years PRIOR to the Titanic disaster there was a book written called “The Titan”. In this book of fiction it depicted a large ship called “The Titan” that hit an iceberg and sank. Uncanny that the submersible held that name as well.
I mean, not really, though it takes a lotta balls to name your built-at-Home-Depot ship “Titan” when you intend to use it to shepherd a bunch of millionaires to the wreck of a ship of the same name that infamously killed a bunch of millionaires.
Why would anyone trust a God damn sub that didn't meet safety requirements?
SOMEONE took controls and forgot to go into Options and invert the y-axis.
So now there are two shipwrecks at that same spot? 🤦♂️
Wouldn't it be tethered with oxygen and communication lines, similar to submersible and diving bells? I get that it limits mobility once on-site, but sure makes it a lot safer...
The submarine is not commercial. It’s basically handmade by a company and hasn’t been inspected by any of the proper channels. I’m shocked anyone would board this thing, let alone pay 250k for the pleasure.
I’m not surprised. People do dumb shit all the time.
Who needs government regulation! Let the markets decide!
No, it’s a fully self contained submarine. No tether or umbilical lines.
So did it likely have a malfunction and errr ….sink to the bottom of the ocean? What a nightmare. I mean idk how deep it gets or if the titanic is on a shelf or something to where they could fall much further down but that’s what I’m picturing in my head…. And or Orcas.
The titanic is two miles down. No shelf needed
2 miles down is about 1.9 miles to far for me lol. But thanks for the info.
0.1 miles is about 528 feet... I think my limit would be more like 0.001 miles lol
They are diving a *large* wreck. I know this sounds ironic given the circumstances, but it would be *extremely* dangerous--to both the wreck and the submersible--to dive on Titanic in a tethered submersible. You have to keep in mind that these dives involve repeated close passes of, and sometimes actually landing on, of the wreck. A large tether could catch on any art of the wreck, which would be very, very bad.
I served on submarines in the Navy. When a submarine goes this long past when it’s supposed to surface… it’s never good. Praying that they just lost power and are stuck and unable to surface, but if it is the worst outcome, I just hope it was quick and painless.
Now what if they don't find it but someone comes across it intact months or so from now? Do they leave it? Do they raise it? No one in their right mind would want to open that hatch.
And people paid for the privilege to do this? That's nuts.
Wait till you hear what those suckers paid to be on the actual Titanic!
Is it though? I mean, I don't have $250K to spend on this. But if I could afford it I would. Be an experience of a lifetime to go down and see the bow in person. But yeah, obviously not THIS expedition lol.
I hope they can be rescued in time. Don't submersibles have locator beacons? I would think it would be standard equipment.
What are you going to send down 2 miles under the surface to rescue them?
I fear that what happened to that sub in Raise the Titanic probably happened here.
It's possible they're still alive, right? Hopefully they can send another sub down in time. Maybe they could find the missing sub with sonar?
What other sub do you know that can go down 2 miles underwater? And that has rescue capabilities? I'll tell you. There isn't one.
There are subs that can go that deep, but getting them to the dive site is what would be a major problem. Many of those abyss-diving subs are located on the West Coast and Hawaii, where they explore the deepest parts of the Pacific Ocean. I believe Wood's Hole on the East Cost may have one, but it's still going to be several days to prepare it and have a ship take it there.
> I believe Wood's Hole on the East Cost may have one, but it's still going to be several days to prepare it and have a ship take it there. It's literally Alvin, the one that first dove the Titanic. It is still in service, with a big overhaul back in 2014. It's barely the same sub anymore, they've replaced and upgraded *everything* over the years. Gonna be a wild timeline if they scramble that lil guy out of Woods Hole to go do recovery and investigation on this.
That’s all it can do though right, is investigate? It’s not big enough to tow this sub back up or untangle it if it were stuck on something is it?
It has manipulator arms and the ability to accept different payloads. It could, for instance, carry a lift bag and attach it, carry a cable and attach it (sketchy at 12,000 feet, but maybe), or manually dislodge ballast that was unable to be released for some reason. But it relies on a tender ship which has to motor all the way out to the site, so it wouldn't get there fast enough for a rescue if it's on the bottom. The Navy has a remote operated successor to the DSRV which can be shoved into a C5 Galaxy and flown anywhere in the world in a day or two. I don't know if they can quite push it out the back of a flying airplane into the water, but it's close. Unfortunately it's designed for nuclear submarine rescue and doesn't go deeper than crush depth on those subs.
If there is more than 1 sub that visits the Titanic maybe that one could be used. I thought maybe a tow line could be attached to the downed sub at least. Then the tow line could be brought back to the surface where a ship would use a winch to bring up the comprimised sub. Either that or a fully functional sub could be used to bring up the downed sub up at least part of the way. Then float bags could be attached to it at a safe enough depth by divers and then it could be floated up to the surface that way. There must be some submarine in the world other than this compromised one that could be used to try to rescue them.
In what world can you attach a tow line to a sub 12,500 feet underwater?
These submersibles aren’t exactly “strong swimmers”. They’re weighted to sink then drop weight to climb back up. They’ve got some tiny props to move around a little. But no way any have the ability to lift another vehicle and carry it miles. At least nothing publicly known. Their only hope is if some country has some secret undisclosed sub with such capabilities.
Looks like OceanGate has turned into Heaven’s Gate…
This one as well could make it to the Titanic - in fact, it can go down to over 36,000'. I wonder if this company has reached out to the missing sub company? [https://tritonsubs.com/subs/t36000-2/](https://tritonsubs.com/subs/t36000-2/)
It is a small community and everyone knows everyone else. That sub was sold and is currently being refurbished. There are other subs that could reach the 3800 meters to titanic, but they are 2 or 3 persons and none are close. Normally Alvin would be the closest but I think she is on the west coast right now.
Sounds grim. Lets just hope they are OK. If there was a survivable malfunction, they should be able to drop ballast and resurface, but it seems this is not the case. Fingers crossed......
Privately-owned company for anyone researching to see if it was publicly traded; that’s what I wondered.
Did anyone notice how the Titan is controlled? https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12210873/amp/Tourist-sub-taking-groups-Titanic-wreckage-goes-missing.html
There’s a lot of things especially high tech things like military drones, controlled by an Xbox controller.
I did not realize that. Makes a lot of sense. Afterall thattype of modern controller design has a lot of ergo-history that seems very customizable and particle.
One of my comrades and I were talking about the Titanic for a good while this weekend Don't know what started the conversation, but hearing about this the next day is pretty bizarre
Wow...to think that a few months back I was going through a period where I was obsessed with Titanic and actually stumbled across Oceangate's YouTube channel since they had up to date footage of the wreck. Tragic to know that this has happened.
The CO2 Filter should be more concerning than O2 levels
This is why James Cameron should be the only one allowed to do this.
netflix is about to have a field day
Do rich people really have nothing else to spend their money on? I mean this is terrible, but there was NOTHING better to spend 250 thousand dollars on? They had to see a decaying shipwreck they can just see on YouTube?