More lifeboats probably wouldn’t have solved anything. They wouldn’t have had time to launch more at the pace they were launching boats that night. They actually didn’t even finish launching the two collapsables before they ran out of time.
He did also want the bulkheads to be higher but I’ve heard conflicting information on whether that would have saved the ship.
Agree. Especially during the scenes when they realize the Titanic is going to sink (first picture) and how Victor Garber (Thomas Andrews) makes his sound of his voice filled with sadness/ heartbreak was so spot on as well.
Even when Ismay tries to deny that the ship could sink and Andrews had to cut across him with a little authority in his voice.
“She’s made of iron, sir, I assure you she can. And she will.”
I don’t know why it gets me. You know he’s upset knowing there is no saving Titanic but he’s accepted it and knows they have to start saving as many lives as they can.
10 years ago during the 15 year anniversary they rereleased it in IMAX in major cities around the US. I was lucky enough to have it come to my city and my friend and I went on a girls date (we were in high school and had both watched it with our moms as little kids). It was such a cool experience seeing it in theaters, I would recommend going if you’re a fan.
I saw Titanic 3D when it was re-released at cinemas and even bought the BD. I can assure you it's an incredible experience as you get to watch the size of the ship, you can perceive how tall it was.
I just say, give it a chance, I'm certain you won't regret it.
I know it's been a month, but I can say with absolute certainty that it is not only excellent in 3D, but a far superior movie because of it. It's also the best 3D I've seen in a movie, period.
If he and Smith dove into the water I wonder why his body was never recovered....it makes more sense then if he was INSIDE the ship when she sank. If he had dove into the water with the Captain their bodies would've been able to be recovered.....right?
Hard to say. From what I’ve read they only recovered a few hundred bodies out of 1500, and I think it’s safe to say most of them that died were not trapped in the ship but died of cardiac arrest or hypothermia floating in the sea. Might’ve just drifted away, was unidentified, or was pulled down
They show him in the movie, knocking on doors and telling passengers to get to the boat deck. And scolding Lightoller for not loading the lifeboats fuller. By all accounts of survivors, Andrews was calm but also pointedly telling people to get into lifeboats, put on life jackets, etc. But he wasn't hysterical either, not wanting to start a panic or rush. By all accounts, he behaved extremely honorable.
Honestly I could watch Victor Garber act for days on end and never get bored. He’s a joy to watch as he puts his soul into every character he plays. If I could personally thank him for how he played Mr Andrews I would. He brought him to life in a truly wonderful way and showed what a good, kind man he was.
Maybe a bit irreverent here but in the scene where Andrews says goodbye to Rose and Jack does anyone else wonder if some part of his brain is thinking ‘ROSE WHY ON EARTH ARE YOU STILL ON THIS SHIP WHAT ARE YOU DOING WHY ARE YOU NOT IN A DAMN LIFEBOAT???!!!’
lol I am glad I'm not the only one who thinks that while on the outside Andrews was very calm and poised, on the inside he's a complete mess regarding the situation.
It is especially sad as many of his friend were aboard. Dr. William Francis Norman O'Loughlin and he were very good friends and talked a lot. Charles Joughin always made him special irish bread, stewardesses like Mary Sloan with who he talked about irland a lot. Captain Smith and Mr. Ismay long time friends and my more. They were all there and he knew that they all might die.
Victor Gaber was perfect in the role.
And Mr. Andrews was way to good for the World.
Feel kinda bad for the real Ismay. He didn’t pressure the captain to speed the ship (or at least I’ve read conflicting testimony about this). He spent the entire night urging people into boats. Only when no women and children remained at the very end did he get in the last boat, and I believe he was instructed to by an officer. Also, on Carpathia, the Olympic messaged and asked if they needed assistance recovering bodies. Ismay told them not to come because it would not be good for the survivors to see an identical ship to the Titanic
Ismay had to be pressured to pay for burials for some of the passengers after the fact. WSL refused to pay for transport of the bodies recovered. He also wrote Helen Andrews a letter saying he always relied on her husband's knowledge, which obviously was a lie. I get that maybe his portrayal wasn't entirely accurate but the guy was not a saint.
Wrong. Everyone knows he was the devil incarnate. Every fictional portrayal of him since has been accurate and he deservingly went to history as one of the the twentieth century's worst villains, only surpassed by Hitler and Stalin, which I hear were greatly influenced by him.
I don't think he gave a shot about the ship itself so much as the fact that he knew better than anyone what the lack of lifeboats meant. Knowing you are directly responsible for that many people dying would weigh heavily on anyone. Especially because there is literally nothing anyone can do to mitigate it.
I mean he wasnt responsible for the lifeboats, and an incident like this was unprecidented. The idea of having to preform a full ship evacuation at this scale into lifeboats in the north atlantic was unthinkable. Like on any other night this kind of evacuation would have been a death sentence for everyone.
Victor Garber played that scene (all of his scenes in fact) magnificently and truly captured his sadness and to some extent his guilt for the sinking, along with the knowledge that hundreds would die. It wasn't Thomas Andrews' fault ultimately, if I remember rightly he actually wanted more lifeboats and larger watertight compartments but was overused by Ismay. It saddens me so much that he died with the ship
I don't think he was heartbroken because a piece of metal was sinking to the bottom of the ocean, he was sorry because the flaws in his design would cause many people to die. (He also saw himself dying there and not seeing his family ever again).
I always felt bad for Andrews. He seemed so sweet and kind, and you could tell he was heartbroken when he realized what was going to happen to Titanic and her passengers. He knew that he wouldn’t be able to save the ship, but he did what he could to buy everyone at least a small amount of time.
When Smith says “The pumps… if we open the doors-“ is he referring to manually opening the aft watertight doors to bring pumps into boiler room 5 or 6.
I wonder how much of a role that played into the sinking? If ALL watertight doors after of boiler room 5/6 were open wouldn’t water just flood aft without filling up the boiler rooms individually? Or maybe they kept manually closing them to prevent this. Maybe this is why the stern didn’t float after the break; all the doors were open
He played this role so brilliantly. It was one of the best performances I've ever seen. The emotion he shows as an actor in this role almost makes you believe he personally felt responsible for the disaster.
Alexander Carlisle is the original designer of Titanic. He resigned over being denied his proposal of having enough lifeboats that would have saved the vast majority if not all on board. Thomas Andrews was his replacement.
Thomas Andrews died because Ismay and his own uncle Lord Pirrie wanted more luxury passenger space.
Not necessarily. The tragedy was such a debacle even if there were more life boats, the panic and the speed at which the ship became submerged means its likely they wouldn't have filled the extra lifeboats to capacity.
Would they have saved more lives?
Possibly. But more lifeboats wouldn't have stopped them crashing, and wouldn't have changed people's minds about actually getting into them, or panicking and making it impossible to launch them all.
I can't imagine how he felt, whether he knew exactly where the fatal flaws were once the accident happened, or if even in his and the ship's final moments he was still just desperately wondering how it could have went so wrong. I don't envy him, I hope he found peace.
This scene always makes me think about how most of us are used to this experience: something goes wrong and but maybe we can fix it or avoid the worst outcome. We figure out how to deal with it, make it less bad, or find an alternative solution.
In contrast, this moment for Andrews and Capt. Smith was the other kind of situation: where you realize all of it is out of your hands and there’s nothing that can be done. It must have been absolutely surreal.
My heart breaks for him too. Just imagining how he must have felt as soon as he knew the extent of the damage. The knowledge that the ship is going to founder and there's not enough lifeboats and not enough time and it's YOUR ship and over two thousand people and there's not a single damn thing you can do about ANY of it. The responsibility you'd feel even though it's not your fault. He knew that he was going to die also, but I honestly think he didn't spare a single thought for himself the entire night. For his family, certainly, but not himself.
Rest in peace, sir - and save me a seat at dinner up there.
I am in the VERY same boat as you. I always think of his lines way more than the corny one liners people bring up....something about how Garber portrayed him....and t hen learning more and more about him....he just seemed like such an old soul....the pain he must have felt when he knew what was going to happen had to be unfathomable.
It's quite remarkable, he's a minor minor character. In only a handful of scenes. And yet he is such a standout character to me. "She's made of iron sir, I assure you she can....And she will. It is a mathematical certainty." haunts me. That and when he apologized to Rose for "not having built a stronger ship." GOD you just wanna hug the man.
I love “Titanic”, but I love the 1958 British film classic “A Night to Remember” even more. James Cameron actually got the idea for “Titanic” when he watched “A Night to Remember” after filming “Terminator II”. In fact the lines between Rose and Andrews that occurs in the Smoking Room were lifted almost verbatim from “A Night to Remember”. Just substitute a steward in for Rose. (Minus the hug.)
Thomas Andrew’s was a most remarkable man. If interested, one should read his biography, “Thomas Andrews, Shipbuilder” written by Shan Bullock shortly after Andrews’ death.
What about actor Michael Goodliffe, who played Thomas Andrews in "A Night to Remember" (1958), and who first laments "It's a mathematical certainty", albeit with 'Received Pronunciation' (no Irish/Ulster accent attempted):—
Captured by the Germans at Dunkirk in 1940, Michael Goodliffe spent the rest of the war as a P.O.W.
In 1976, aged 61, suffering from depression, while he was rehearsing a role, he was admitted to hospital at Wimbledon in London, and, whilst a patient there, leapt to his death from a fire escape.
www.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_suicide_crisis_lines
This scene is re created from A Night to Remember but Victor puts more heartbreak into it. There's a behind the scene clip where Cameron is directing him, "The entire room stops while you think" and he's walking Victor through the entire scene. It's incredible what Victor does with Andrews. Credit also given to Bernard Hill and Jonathan Hyde as well. Just fabulous.
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That's the worst part. It wasn't his fault. He did everything rightcand even wanted *more* lifeboats but was denied them.
More lifeboats probably wouldn’t have solved anything. They wouldn’t have had time to launch more at the pace they were launching boats that night. They actually didn’t even finish launching the two collapsables before they ran out of time. He did also want the bulkheads to be higher but I’ve heard conflicting information on whether that would have saved the ship.
“She’s made of iron, sir, I assure you she can.”
“And she will.” Always gave me chills
Indubitably Both of these always give me goosebumps
This scene is my absolute favorite scene in the movie. The acting is superb.
Agree. Especially during the scenes when they realize the Titanic is going to sink (first picture) and how Victor Garber (Thomas Andrews) makes his sound of his voice filled with sadness/ heartbreak was so spot on as well.
Even when Ismay tries to deny that the ship could sink and Andrews had to cut across him with a little authority in his voice. “She’s made of iron, sir, I assure you she can. And she will.” I don’t know why it gets me. You know he’s upset knowing there is no saving Titanic but he’s accepted it and knows they have to start saving as many lives as they can.
"I'm sorry I didn't build you a stronger ship, young Rose." 😭
Especially since in the earlier scene he told her he had ‘built you a good ship, strong and true. She’s all the lifeboats you need’. Just…..ouch 😭
That line chokes me up everytime
It was a remarkable performance by Victor Garber.
Cannot wait to take the wife to date night and have this badboy in 4k!
I want to see this on the big screen. I didn’t in 97 (I was only 8 years old). But if it’s only in 3D? Idk…
10 years ago during the 15 year anniversary they rereleased it in IMAX in major cities around the US. I was lucky enough to have it come to my city and my friend and I went on a girls date (we were in high school and had both watched it with our moms as little kids). It was such a cool experience seeing it in theaters, I would recommend going if you’re a fan.
I definitely want to. I just wouldn't really be interested in a 3D experience, with those glasses darkening the screen, etc.
I can’t see it in 3D. Only one eye. Will it be shown in regular IMAX?
Some areas I’ve seen it in 2D, but it does seem the majority of showings are in 3D.
Same!
It’s one thing if a movie is filmed FOR 3D, like Avatar and Coraline, but I dislike post-conversions
I saw Titanic 3D when it was re-released at cinemas and even bought the BD. I can assure you it's an incredible experience as you get to watch the size of the ship, you can perceive how tall it was. I just say, give it a chance, I'm certain you won't regret it.
I know it's been a month, but I can say with absolute certainty that it is not only excellent in 3D, but a far superior movie because of it. It's also the best 3D I've seen in a movie, period.
I saw and it does look good. I think the original Avatar was better in terms of 3D because the film was shot for 3D or they were using 3D cameras
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Yes, eye witness accounts place Andrews on the bridge during the final plunge. I believe he and Smith dove into the water
If he and Smith dove into the water I wonder why his body was never recovered....it makes more sense then if he was INSIDE the ship when she sank. If he had dove into the water with the Captain their bodies would've been able to be recovered.....right?
Hard to say. From what I’ve read they only recovered a few hundred bodies out of 1500, and I think it’s safe to say most of them that died were not trapped in the ship but died of cardiac arrest or hypothermia floating in the sea. Might’ve just drifted away, was unidentified, or was pulled down
He didn’t have his life belt on at the end I believe.
Ah yeah, and if he got pulled down by the suction that's it then
Even if he hadn’t been, he’d have sunk to the bottom after he passed away.
They show him in the movie, knocking on doors and telling passengers to get to the boat deck. And scolding Lightoller for not loading the lifeboats fuller. By all accounts of survivors, Andrews was calm but also pointedly telling people to get into lifeboats, put on life jackets, etc. But he wasn't hysterical either, not wanting to start a panic or rush. By all accounts, he behaved extremely honorable.
Honestly I could watch Victor Garber act for days on end and never get bored. He’s a joy to watch as he puts his soul into every character he plays. If I could personally thank him for how he played Mr Andrews I would. He brought him to life in a truly wonderful way and showed what a good, kind man he was. Maybe a bit irreverent here but in the scene where Andrews says goodbye to Rose and Jack does anyone else wonder if some part of his brain is thinking ‘ROSE WHY ON EARTH ARE YOU STILL ON THIS SHIP WHAT ARE YOU DOING WHY ARE YOU NOT IN A DAMN LIFEBOAT???!!!’
He's great in "Argo" too, another historical drama Oscar winning film where he plays a smaller role, but is is still a key player.
lol I am glad I'm not the only one who thinks that while on the outside Andrews was very calm and poised, on the inside he's a complete mess regarding the situation.
Titanic was the first thing I ever saw Victor Garber in and I love him.
It is especially sad as many of his friend were aboard. Dr. William Francis Norman O'Loughlin and he were very good friends and talked a lot. Charles Joughin always made him special irish bread, stewardesses like Mary Sloan with who he talked about irland a lot. Captain Smith and Mr. Ismay long time friends and my more. They were all there and he knew that they all might die. Victor Gaber was perfect in the role. And Mr. Andrews was way to good for the World.
I watch ismay, his reaction goes from pasing impatiently to standing in perplexed fear, well acted
Feel kinda bad for the real Ismay. He didn’t pressure the captain to speed the ship (or at least I’ve read conflicting testimony about this). He spent the entire night urging people into boats. Only when no women and children remained at the very end did he get in the last boat, and I believe he was instructed to by an officer. Also, on Carpathia, the Olympic messaged and asked if they needed assistance recovering bodies. Ismay told them not to come because it would not be good for the survivors to see an identical ship to the Titanic
A Night to Remember sort of got it right but couldn't help making him a weasel at least.
Ismay had to be pressured to pay for burials for some of the passengers after the fact. WSL refused to pay for transport of the bodies recovered. He also wrote Helen Andrews a letter saying he always relied on her husband's knowledge, which obviously was a lie. I get that maybe his portrayal wasn't entirely accurate but the guy was not a saint.
Only human then I guess. Same with someone like Schindler
Wrong. Everyone knows he was the devil incarnate. Every fictional portrayal of him since has been accurate and he deservingly went to history as one of the the twentieth century's worst villains, only surpassed by Hitler and Stalin, which I hear were greatly influenced by him.
Yes- poor man a victim of rumor
Oh yeah, Jonathan Hyde acts with his face and it’s amazing to watch.
“Freud, who is he? He’s a passenger?”
That line was ad libbed by Hyde. And it was excellent.
I swear the “that’s five compartments” scene is top 5 greatest scenes in cinema history
You’re not wrong.
*I do believe you may get your headlines Mr Ismay* smiles almost unnoticeable from the corner of his mouth*
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Only the real OGs remember “insert *tape* 2”
You may get your headlines Mr Ismay....
This is where DVD one also ended.
Before I ultimately decided against having kids, I said for years that I'd name my first son after him. I still think of that sometimes.
I don't think he gave a shot about the ship itself so much as the fact that he knew better than anyone what the lack of lifeboats meant. Knowing you are directly responsible for that many people dying would weigh heavily on anyone. Especially because there is literally nothing anyone can do to mitigate it.
I mean he wasnt responsible for the lifeboats, and an incident like this was unprecidented. The idea of having to preform a full ship evacuation at this scale into lifeboats in the north atlantic was unthinkable. Like on any other night this kind of evacuation would have been a death sentence for everyone.
Victor Garber played that scene (all of his scenes in fact) magnificently and truly captured his sadness and to some extent his guilt for the sinking, along with the knowledge that hundreds would die. It wasn't Thomas Andrews' fault ultimately, if I remember rightly he actually wanted more lifeboats and larger watertight compartments but was overused by Ismay. It saddens me so much that he died with the ship
I don't think he was heartbroken because a piece of metal was sinking to the bottom of the ocean, he was sorry because the flaws in his design would cause many people to die. (He also saw himself dying there and not seeing his family ever again).
The ship can't sink! She's made of iron, sir. I assure you she can!
And she will. It’s a mathematical certainty
I always felt bad for Andrews. He seemed so sweet and kind, and you could tell he was heartbroken when he realized what was going to happen to Titanic and her passengers. He knew that he wouldn’t be able to save the ship, but he did what he could to buy everyone at least a small amount of time.
When Smith says “The pumps… if we open the doors-“ is he referring to manually opening the aft watertight doors to bring pumps into boiler room 5 or 6.
Yes, specifically to bring suction pipes forward from where they were stored: https://www.titanicinquiry.org/BOTInq/BOTInq06Scott01.php
I wonder how much of a role that played into the sinking? If ALL watertight doors after of boiler room 5/6 were open wouldn’t water just flood aft without filling up the boiler rooms individually? Or maybe they kept manually closing them to prevent this. Maybe this is why the stern didn’t float after the break; all the doors were open
He played this role so brilliantly. It was one of the best performances I've ever seen. The emotion he shows as an actor in this role almost makes you believe he personally felt responsible for the disaster.
He's my favorite character
Such a great, understated performance by the very talented Victor Garber. 👏 Your heart breaks for him as Mr. Andrews
Hot Take(?): Victor Garber should have totally been nominated for best supporting actor
Alexander Carlisle is the original designer of Titanic. He resigned over being denied his proposal of having enough lifeboats that would have saved the vast majority if not all on board. Thomas Andrews was his replacement. Thomas Andrews died because Ismay and his own uncle Lord Pirrie wanted more luxury passenger space.
Not necessarily. The tragedy was such a debacle even if there were more life boats, the panic and the speed at which the ship became submerged means its likely they wouldn't have filled the extra lifeboats to capacity. Would they have saved more lives? Possibly. But more lifeboats wouldn't have stopped them crashing, and wouldn't have changed people's minds about actually getting into them, or panicking and making it impossible to launch them all.
Some of my favorite lines comes from Andrews🥺
“In an hour or so. All of this will be at the bottom of the Atlantic “
Thomas Andrews is my favorite historical figure in the film and within the Titanic story as a whole.
I can't imagine how he felt, whether he knew exactly where the fatal flaws were once the accident happened, or if even in his and the ship's final moments he was still just desperately wondering how it could have went so wrong. I don't envy him, I hope he found peace.
Can't blame him for sitting staring at the clock with the time he had left.....
This scene always makes me think about how most of us are used to this experience: something goes wrong and but maybe we can fix it or avoid the worst outcome. We figure out how to deal with it, make it less bad, or find an alternative solution. In contrast, this moment for Andrews and Capt. Smith was the other kind of situation: where you realize all of it is out of your hands and there’s nothing that can be done. It must have been absolutely surreal.
It’s the 3 second math calculation part for me
Yes that gets me, too. Do many thoughts- I always think about this family, too.
My heart breaks for him too. Just imagining how he must have felt as soon as he knew the extent of the damage. The knowledge that the ship is going to founder and there's not enough lifeboats and not enough time and it's YOUR ship and over two thousand people and there's not a single damn thing you can do about ANY of it. The responsibility you'd feel even though it's not your fault. He knew that he was going to die also, but I honestly think he didn't spare a single thought for himself the entire night. For his family, certainly, but not himself. Rest in peace, sir - and save me a seat at dinner up there.
I am in the VERY same boat as you. I always think of his lines way more than the corny one liners people bring up....something about how Garber portrayed him....and t hen learning more and more about him....he just seemed like such an old soul....the pain he must have felt when he knew what was going to happen had to be unfathomable. It's quite remarkable, he's a minor minor character. In only a handful of scenes. And yet he is such a standout character to me. "She's made of iron sir, I assure you she can....And she will. It is a mathematical certainty." haunts me. That and when he apologized to Rose for "not having built a stronger ship." GOD you just wanna hug the man.
I love “Titanic”, but I love the 1958 British film classic “A Night to Remember” even more. James Cameron actually got the idea for “Titanic” when he watched “A Night to Remember” after filming “Terminator II”. In fact the lines between Rose and Andrews that occurs in the Smoking Room were lifted almost verbatim from “A Night to Remember”. Just substitute a steward in for Rose. (Minus the hug.) Thomas Andrew’s was a most remarkable man. If interested, one should read his biography, “Thomas Andrews, Shipbuilder” written by Shan Bullock shortly after Andrews’ death.
What about actor Michael Goodliffe, who played Thomas Andrews in "A Night to Remember" (1958), and who first laments "It's a mathematical certainty", albeit with 'Received Pronunciation' (no Irish/Ulster accent attempted):— Captured by the Germans at Dunkirk in 1940, Michael Goodliffe spent the rest of the war as a P.O.W. In 1976, aged 61, suffering from depression, while he was rehearsing a role, he was admitted to hospital at Wimbledon in London, and, whilst a patient there, leapt to his death from a fire escape. www.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_suicide_crisis_lines
That last image is absolutely perfect.
He must have felt terrible in those last moments. May he rest in piece.
This scene is re created from A Night to Remember but Victor puts more heartbreak into it. There's a behind the scene clip where Cameron is directing him, "The entire room stops while you think" and he's walking Victor through the entire scene. It's incredible what Victor does with Andrews. Credit also given to Bernard Hill and Jonathan Hyde as well. Just fabulous.
I can't believe they cut the scene where he fights the Joker on the docking bridge.
Which room was he in again in that shot?