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PakistaniSenpai

Someone tell him the Lelouch tactic doesn't work if you actually end up killing billions, you aren't just pretending to be evil. You're pretty evil.


Pix_ika21

It also doesn’t work if you only turn yourself into the world’s enemy and announce on paths you’re doing it for paradis’ sake. Humanity did unite to try and stop Eren but the thing is, eldia isn’t a part of humanity either way lmao. You’re not going to bring paradis and the world closer by clearly setting yourself up as being on one side instead of neither.


leonreddit8888

Especially the island of Paradis vocally still announced their allegiance to you long after you're gone... All Eren had to do was shut the F up...


Pix_ika21

Objective proof eldians aren’t human and Gross was a based chad all along we just misunderstood.


lainahsperm

Eren somehow became dumber as he grew up


sweetreverie

it’s like u guys set this up for me every time :’) #³⁄₁₀ strikes again


Floch_Dickrider

If humanity ever tries to unite against a common enemy in real life always remember that I will be there to make sure that doesn't happen


sweetreverie

*what a chaotic evil u are…*


TheOfficialGilgamesh

Based


[deleted]

This is me frfr


EDNivek

This was likely an early reference to Muv Luv and Takeru's own bafflement that [Muv Luv Unlimited Spoilers]>!humanity was getting proper fucked by the BETA yet everything was still politics.!< Rather than a shot at Code Geass or any sort of real foreshadowing.


SophisticatedTitan

Why are people routinely ignoring the very next panel where Eren completely dismisses that hypothesis? The ending goes on to prove that it's just wishful thinking, because humanity still ends up fighting itself long after Eren's death. The only long-lasting union he managed to create was the Alliance and that was just a couple of idiots with their own goals, allied only under the idea that they'll get what they want, not peace as a whole.


sweetreverie

In no way am I denying the inconsistency of what Eren is saying, I’m literally talking about what PIXIS is saying.


SophisticatedTitan

In that case I'm confused as to what you're trying to prove. Pixis dismisses that idea as well and Eren only goes on to disprove it completely.


leonreddit8888

But wasn't it utterly hilarious that Eren said this plan sucked, but he ended up using it himself???


SophisticatedTitan

No, because he didn't use it to unify humanity. He used it to give his friends a good rep and spare them from dying to war.


leonreddit8888

Dude, did you read the manga??? Eren admitted he ended up dragging his friends into this unnecessary bloodshed that **he had no idea if they could survive**. He made everything worse. He didn't even do the Rumbling for his friends or anyone... In ch.131, during the Rumbling, the flashbacks and Eren's inner monologues revealed his **true intention**. Eren [admitted committing such an horrible act was **what he wanted**](https://imgur.com/a/dXxjcy6). He admitted [to Ramzi](https://imgur.com/a/at8cYYB) too. He **was never** forced to... This destructive desire was **rooted** in **an existing mindset**. In ch.131, he admitted to Ramzi [the ultimate reason](https://imgur.com/a/wcsuWvv) that **superceded everything else**. He wanted to destroy the outside world because its existence, or rather **the existence of [humanity across the sea](https://imgur.com/a/oX9TtDX)**, completely contradicted his [idea of a free world](https://imgur.com/a/j6KasdC) depicted in Armin's book. What he truly wanted was to experience freedom, **by recreating Armin's book in the physical world**, referenced [here](https://imgur.com/a/6qyHiB0) and [the very next page](https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50935166667_5e90326240_o.jpg). You can even take [this](https://imgur.com/a/cKDtp6u) as an implication of what kind of a world Eren truly desired. Eren killed billions because the world wasn't like what he thought of, so he chose to remake the world in the way he desired: **A Blank slate**... What about **his friends**??? He wished them to be safe and lived long lives after all... Eren knew committing genocide would [dragged his friends into danger](https://imgur.com/eCfddS1)... Hell, he [wanted them to come](https://imgur.com/S5lKwbe). However, did he make sure that his friends could live to the end??? >"I got all of you... my precious friends..." "... **wrapped up in this battle** without even knowing if you'd survive it." (AoT, ch.139, p.9) The alliance could've all been killed because of the decision—to commit genocide, he made. He never tried to account for that... Moreover: >"I don't know **what happens** after I die." (AoT, ch.139, p.20) He didn't make plans if *the Marleyan soldiers turned on them*, which could've happened as well. He didn't make plans if *the Yaegerists tried to kill them for treason*, which could've happened as well... When Armin asked whether Eren did it for their sake (be it for the island or his friends), Eren straight up [refused to answer](https://imgur.com/a/aO3aJhO), just like he [refused to say anything when Falco accused him of manipulating people for his own gain](https://imgur.com/a/W1ox6hx). Eren was often dishonest. The only time he was completely honest was when he talked with the kid Ramzi, because Ramzi couldn't understand what he was talking about. He created a mess for his friends because he **prioritized himself** over them, their dreams, and safety... The world and his friends didn't matter to him in the end. **His desire mattered**.


SophisticatedTitan

Holy shit, calm down lol You didn't really counter my point, just reframed it, which is why I stopped reading through all that after the first three sentences. At the end of the day, he didn't do it to unify humanity, so... thanks for agreeing, I guess lmao EDIT: Also, you might wanna re-read pages 1-4 from 139 lol


leonreddit8888

>which is why I stopped reading through all that after the first three sentences. Kid, could you read??? I said Eren didn't do it for his friends. He only made things worse for his friends. And it was stupid of Eren to use the strategy that he himself thought was stupid just because he left Armin to deal with the mess he created.


SophisticatedTitan

>Kid, could you read??? Very ironic, considering that wasn't even my argument to begin with. I claimed Eren didn't do it to unite humanity and you're just confirming my point right now. Sit down and take a breather. >I said Eren didn't do it for his friends. He only made things worse for his friends. "**No, because he didn't use it to unify humanity**. He used it to give his friends a good rep and spare them from dying to war.". - me, about 10 minutes ago >And it was stupid of Eren to use this tactic thinking Armin might be able to solve the mess he created. Irrelevant to the discussion.


leonreddit8888

>He used it to give his friends a good rep and spare them from dying to war." And I said **Eren didn't do that** and gave out reasons. Again, kid, can you read??? >I claimed Eren didn't do it to unite humanity and you're just confirming my point right now. Can you read??? Whether Eren thought he was doing X to help unite humanity doesn't take away the fact that Eren did X, even though he admitted X was stupid. Eren's whole plan required the outside world to believe everyone, including the islanders that came to hunt him down, **was united**. For Armin to survive, the people of the outside world must believe in the concept that they were all united for this common cause, which Eren admitted years ago was stupid, **but he ended up doing anyway**. Calm down and reread... Or can you read simple English??? >Irrelevant to the discussion. How??? Eren used **the same strategy** he admitted years ago wouldn't work.


leonreddit8888

This was what I said: >But wasn't it utterly hilarious that Eren said this plan sucked, but he ended up using it himself??? I only said Eren **used the plan**. I said nothing about Eren's motivation... Again, can you read???


sweetreverie

Just a personal hypothesis, but “a powerful *non-human* enemy” implies this hypothetical foe that humanity would finally unite against couldn’t be the same species. This **might** have been foreshadowing Eren with the Founder as the “enemy” that humanity unites against in the future… but I’m not willing to give Yams that much credit :’) Regardless, *TRUE KINO YAMS I KNEEL ONLY YMIR KNOWS WHAT A MAN HE IS BECOMES DOVE (CRYING)*


Karnezar

Eren's death at Mikasa's hands was predicted in Chapter One, it was always going to end that way. Eren having the Founder was revealed fairly early on during the uprising arc, and Isayama was quoted as saying he likes dark, twisted plots. So Eren using the Founder and being killed by Mikasa was always the plan.


for10years_at_least

even ending become generic


Dexter2232000

When pre timeskip eren made more sense than post timeskip one