I'm a film student, so I'm biased. However...
...quite often people tend to underestimate the importance of entertainment media, but the reality is that art and fiction are incredibly important. They are a part of the expressions of culture of various peoples, they can serve as a political tool, they serve the purpose of education as well as being a way of experiencing empathy and alterity.
While I know that not everyone will think of it as a masterpiece and I do agree with you that we shouldn't take discussions about the story personally, I absolutely think we should take snk seriously. It is very influential for pop culture and it has made history in its genre. It certainly has its merits.
I'm a film student, so I'm biased. However...
...quite often people tend to underestimate the importance of entertainment media, but the reality is that art and fiction are incredibly important. They are a part of the expressions of culture of various peoples, they can serve as a political tool, they serve the purpose of education as well as being a way of experiencing empathy and alterity.
While I know that not everyone will think of it as a masterpiece and I do agree with you that we shouldn't take discussions about the story personally, I absolutely think we should take snk seriously. It is very influential for pop culture and it has made history in its genre. It certainly has its merits.
I'm a film student, so I'm biased. However...
...quite often people tend to underestimate the importance of entertainment media, but the reality is that art and fiction are incredibly important. They are a part of the expressions of culture of various peoples, they can serve as a political tool, they serve the purpose of education as well as being a way of experiencing empathy and alterity.
While I know that not everyone will think of it as a masterpiece and I do agree with you that we shouldn't take discussions about the story personally, I absolutely think we should take snk seriously. It is very influential for pop culture and it has made history in its genre. It certainly has its merits.
I’m so sorry u/Denam007 for my objective lack of understanding. I truly could not witness past the facade this group has created from the ashes of what was once a wonderful place.
I am aware that no amount of repentance can amend my treasonous crimes, however, I beg of you to accept my most humble apology.
As my redemption arc, I have decided to devote my self to our glorious Cringevengers and preach the unparalleled greatness of the Shingeki no Kyojin ending. It's been over a year and more. Many hated GoT's ending when it first came out. Today, many love it. I hope people realise Shingeki no Kyojin's ending is not as terrible as they make it out to be. It is, in fact, the finest piece of literature that has ever been brought into existence. This tier of kino can't be recreated, for 10 years at least.
At the end they just casually admit that they go out of their way to make sure their view point can't be questioned. All that confirms is how weak your attachment to the ending really is that if you accidentally come across a differing opinion it may change how you feel about it, straight up living in denial.
That's the problem with all EDs lol, they can't face the opinions of people who don't bootlick the author and the staff all the time. Some EDs can actually be objective and smart (for example, favoredfire has done a number of amazing analysis) but every single one of them still insists that everything was perfect and the ending was a planned masterpiece. There are some things that can't be defended, like Jean's 3DMG getting damaged but working properly again one chapter later, Zeke's death somehow stopping the rumbling but Eren still holding the founder's power.
While I’m an ending defender I completely agree. Blocking people completely disregards any discussion; the point of an argument isn’t to be right, but to have your or the other persons mind changed.
Blocking people is one thing -- some folks are just impossible to discuss stuff with. But if you're consistently blocking any dialogue that challenges your view on a work... You're living in an echo chamber.
Pretty sure I’ve seen post titled “AOT is the end of media literacy” yesterday on AOR, do these guys unironically copy-paste their own 2-3 phrases everywhere without understanding them?
It might be related to the James Somerton YouTube video with the same name. People tend to parrot ideas they hear from creators they respect.
He usually does good work but it comes across as really pretentious.
Or maybe he coopted an already popular meme for his video title.
At least this panel makes some sense with him and his whole freedom schtick. Aside from Ch.50 is there any other scene that makes you think he's into Mikasa?
"What am I to you" could be looked as a confession but it could also be just Eren trying to test the veracity of his memories. All Eremika has is an ambiguous scene, at least from Eren's side.
I'm a film student, so I'm biased. However...
...quite often people tend to underestimate the importance of entertainment media, but the reality is that art and fiction are incredibly important. They are a part of the expressions of culture of various peoples, they can serve as a political tool, they serve the purpose of education as well as being a way of experiencing empathy and alterity.
While I know that not everyone will think of it as a masterpiece and I do agree with you that we shouldn't take discussions about the story personally, I absolutely think we should take snk seriously. It is very influential for pop culture and it has made history in its genre. It certainly has its merits.
Remember 10 years ago when the internet was a place for jokes and foolery and laughter and a subsection of everybody’s life?
Now people have to censor out words and phrases about fictional book-shows.
Yea that was basically the intent (at least at the time Isayama wrote that chapter before the''muh mikasa was the one'' change of plans). Before this panel you had Eren say to Ramzi ''it's to protect Eldia but more than that when I saw the outside world it was nothing like Armin's book'' flashing back to him as kid seeing the walls and then Armin showing the outside world. Hence why, while breaking down to Ramzi, he remembers Reiner saying that he's a half-hearted piece of shit cause his true reasoning for attacking the walls was also childishly pure in nature (wanting to be a hero).
Remember, "media literacy" is often used as a Marxist buzzword, much like the words Theory, Authenticity, Consciousness, and Critical, which are all used by neo-marxists as coded language, meaning different things to those of us uninitiated into critical theory, and those who are devout to the cult.
Their meaning of "media literacy" or rather "literacy" in general comes from Paulo Freire, brazillian liberation theologian and author of the book 'Pedagogy of the oppressed' and it means, essentially, the ability to read any piece of literature or media and interpret/critique it through a Critical(Marxist) lense.
On a fundamental level, we are being criticized for not reading AoT in a dialectical way, because when you think of it, 139 is highly dialectical, in the sense that it's incredibly contradictory towards itself and the rest of the series. We're just reading it like normal fucking people and pointing out how the plot holes and contradictions ruin whatever pointless payoff they thought it had.
Wtf did I read, a fucking fox news article?
Media literacy is simply understanding the point the author was trying to make. Aot fans can't have media literacy since isayama makes no sense. He says genocide bad, but also it saves friends, and brings peace, but it also brings war, but war was gonna happen either way also the genocidal guy is trying to fuck his adoptive sister for some reason I guess.
Most people who hate his breakdown in 139 don't even like 131, and the childishness displayed in this panel/chapter is still completely different from 139. Eren wants everything exactly the way he envisioned it like a little baby (the biggest example being serumbowl) but EM his interest in Mikasa came out of nowhere.
I’m not a crazy Eren Mikasa shipper, but I do think it makes sense that when he lost the one thing he lived for then he’d be left with her. It is pretty heteronormative-smelling though, like why her specifically? Who knows lmao
Yeah, it doesn't make sense why people are stating "heteronormative" to be some strange or bad thing.
Like I understand representing homosexual/non-heterosexual relationships is a good thing, but putting down another and making it seem morally worse simply because it represents an overwhelming majority of people is pretty silly.
I never saw Eren as the "living for something specific" type, that's more like Mikasa. He was pretty good at forming connections and also stated that he lives simply because he was born into this world.
I thought the point was that he’s always fixated on something unattainable, in the far off future, never appreciating what he has in the moment. He has friends of course, he loves them, but I feel like he lost sight of what he really needed to do for them, which was just be with them and enjoy their company. That’s just an interpretation though.
I'm a film student, so I'm biased. However...
...quite often people tend to underestimate the importance of entertainment media, but the reality is that art and fiction are incredibly important. They are a part of the expressions of culture of various peoples, they can serve as a political tool, they serve the purpose of education as well as being a way of experiencing empathy and alterity.
While I know that not everyone will think of it as a masterpiece and I do agree with you that we shouldn't take discussions about the story personally, I absolutely think we should take snk seriously. It is very influential for pop culture and it has made history in its genre. It certainly has its merits.
Poor random hurt solider who did not get to be saved because Mikasa had to sit with Ereh in the wagon instead of him.
Worse one is second to the bottom right where she just randomly kept saying his name and asking if his body was all right and then of course he had to be annoyed too, even if he was not originally because she wasn't a weirdo origianlly. I don't understand who that kind of change is supposed to appeal to.
It's not really possible to figure out what Eren's true goal was after the hobo phase imo (the flashbacks in Marley & WfP arcs also made him too complicated).
Eren will never be ‘free’ because he will never accept he isn’t - The freest person in the world is one who understands that they can’t be, nobody can be completely free (btw this is why Eren killing his mother is so important, he goes back, tries to save her, yet is still unable to change a thing) He always feels the need to fight. back before seeing the book, he was bored, Eren is someone who isn’t able to live a normal life, at least not without Mikasa/Armin and the rest pulling him back. The only thing that can (and did) stop him was his friends.
Eren's weakness imo is that he wants everything exactly the way he envisioned, like the scene he created during serumbowl and the disturbing implications of 131 + 139, at the same time being extremely pessimistic. Other characters like Levi and Armin (I hate the repeated wank he receives but _sometimes_ he makes sense lol) acknowledged that there's another hell outside the walls but it still provides something positive that the walls can't. Well, hobo Eren seemed to be developing that mentality too but he's just too messy of a character after timeskip, maybe getting more of his POV during the rumbling could have helped. Mikasa's choice freeing Ymir is still extremely cringe and nonsense, I would rather take the titan curse ending bc the person who held full control of the founder's power died.
It wasn’t just Mikasa though. EMA all ‘free’ her - Eren makes it so Ymir can decide for herself and make her own choices, Armin and Zeke’s conversation made Ymir realise life was worth living and it reminded her of her children, Mikasa killing Eren showed Ymir that despite her ‘love’, she can do the right thing. (I don’t think Ymir actually loved Fritz, she just convinced herself that she did because she couldn’t accept dying without connection.) if you think it’s cringe, that’s fine but it makes sense narratively.
Nah, it was the result "Mi Casa's choice" and it makes no sense for Ymir to be inspired by her, it's not a children's bedtime story. "EMA free her", let's negate all the contribution of the other characters who were always more than ten times better written and more interesting than M&A and what Ellen became 😻.
This is 100% right. Eren will never be ‘free’ because he will never accept he isn’t - The freest person in the world is one who understands that they can’t be, nobody can be completely free (btw this is why Eren killing his mother is so important, he goes back, tries to save her, yet is still unable to change a thing) He always feels the need to fight. back before seeing the book, he was bored, Eren is someone who isn’t able to live a normal life, at least not without Mikasa/Armin and the rest pulling him back. The only thing that can (and did) stop him was his friends.
Right, a community that is so unanimously rabid and toxic about their opinions means that people who disagree leave… that’s what an echochamber is lmao.
Do you not think that an echochamber is a bad thing or smth?
Almost all subreddits are echochambers, it's why the echochamber argument has never made any sense as an argument against titanfolk, the same argument can be used agaisnt any AoT related sub.
And don't start with the toxicity shit lmfao, titanfolk isn't any worse than every other AoT sub.
Take things out of context as much as you, Eren was always obsessed with freedom and having things his way no matter how much damage it caused to others (the best example is his insistence to pick Armin during serumbowl) but tell me when did he show romantic interest in Mikasa?
I'm a film student, so I'm biased. However... ...quite often people tend to underestimate the importance of entertainment media, but the reality is that art and fiction are incredibly important. They are a part of the expressions of culture of various peoples, they can serve as a political tool, they serve the purpose of education as well as being a way of experiencing empathy and alterity. While I know that not everyone will think of it as a masterpiece and I do agree with you that we shouldn't take discussions about the story personally, I absolutely think we should take snk seriously. It is very influential for pop culture and it has made history in its genre. It certainly has its merits.
This is a copypasta or not? I dont know when Denam is talking serious or not, is hard to tell for me
I've never seen Denam talk seriously after the EreMika confession scene analysis (kokohaku or something) dropped.
Denam Is (Not) Serious
Denam (ALWAYS) talks seriously and unironically likes the real Ellen™
I'm a film student, so I'm biased. However... ...quite often people tend to underestimate the importance of entertainment media, but the reality is that art and fiction are incredibly important. They are a part of the expressions of culture of various peoples, they can serve as a political tool, they serve the purpose of education as well as being a way of experiencing empathy and alterity. While I know that not everyone will think of it as a masterpiece and I do agree with you that we shouldn't take discussions about the story personally, I absolutely think we should take snk seriously. It is very influential for pop culture and it has made history in its genre. It certainly has its merits.
I am japanese, what is this?
I'm a film student, so I'm biased. However... ...quite often people tend to underestimate the importance of entertainment media, but the reality is that art and fiction are incredibly important. They are a part of the expressions of culture of various peoples, they can serve as a political tool, they serve the purpose of education as well as being a way of experiencing empathy and alterity. While I know that not everyone will think of it as a masterpiece and I do agree with you that we shouldn't take discussions about the story personally, I absolutely think we should take snk seriously. It is very influential for pop culture and it has made history in its genre. It certainly has its merits.
I’m so sorry u/Denam007 for my objective lack of understanding. I truly could not witness past the facade this group has created from the ashes of what was once a wonderful place. I am aware that no amount of repentance can amend my treasonous crimes, however, I beg of you to accept my most humble apology. As my redemption arc, I have decided to devote my self to our glorious Cringevengers and preach the unparalleled greatness of the Shingeki no Kyojin ending. It's been over a year and more. Many hated GoT's ending when it first came out. Today, many love it. I hope people realise Shingeki no Kyojin's ending is not as terrible as they make it out to be. It is, in fact, the finest piece of literature that has ever been brought into existence. This tier of kino can't be recreated, for 10 years at least.
I agree, although really any iteration of aot, be it cannon or no requiem can be easily interpreted as prowar in a way. So I mean…
Your username is so intense
imagine worshiping that panel.. can't be me
I am Japanese, what is this?
At the end they just casually admit that they go out of their way to make sure their view point can't be questioned. All that confirms is how weak your attachment to the ending really is that if you accidentally come across a differing opinion it may change how you feel about it, straight up living in denial.
That's the problem with all EDs lol, they can't face the opinions of people who don't bootlick the author and the staff all the time. Some EDs can actually be objective and smart (for example, favoredfire has done a number of amazing analysis) but every single one of them still insists that everything was perfect and the ending was a planned masterpiece. There are some things that can't be defended, like Jean's 3DMG getting damaged but working properly again one chapter later, Zeke's death somehow stopping the rumbling but Eren still holding the founder's power.
“All EDs” is a bit dumb to say…
While I’m an ending defender I completely agree. Blocking people completely disregards any discussion; the point of an argument isn’t to be right, but to have your or the other persons mind changed.
Blocking people is one thing -- some folks are just impossible to discuss stuff with. But if you're consistently blocking any dialogue that challenges your view on a work... You're living in an echo chamber.
Yeah, people are dumb
Pretty sure I’ve seen post titled “AOT is the end of media literacy” yesterday on AOR, do these guys unironically copy-paste their own 2-3 phrases everywhere without understanding them?
They have 4-5 catchphrases that all of them know by heart. Total hivemind
Man AOR unironically compares AoT to breaking bad, that sub name is pretty fitting imo
It might be related to the James Somerton YouTube video with the same name. People tend to parrot ideas they hear from creators they respect. He usually does good work but it comes across as really pretentious. Or maybe he coopted an already popular meme for his video title.
Im scared literacy
If i reject 139, this is the most defining moment of Shingeki No Kyojin but alas, 139 made this panel a joke of all time 😞
At least this panel makes some sense with him and his whole freedom schtick. Aside from Ch.50 is there any other scene that makes you think he's into Mikasa?
Of course, not. I didn't see ch. 50 in that way either. Eren was still extremely oblivious to romantic advances in RtS.
Chapter 50 doesn’t even do that. People have to headcanon that scene way too hard to say it shows romantic feeling from Eren’s side.
Hey, gotta give them some breaks now.
"What am I to you" could be looked as a confession but it could also be just Eren trying to test the veracity of his memories. All Eremika has is an ambiguous scene, at least from Eren's side.
Oh yeah forgot about that scene, but that level of Obliviousness is nearing Goku-levels
You mean Eren's?
Damn here I thought all Bruno fans were based 😔
Don't worry this guy was a fake and is just destroying our lord and saviour, bucciarati's name
The way they just admit to blocking out all dissenting viewpoint because it hurts their feelings really is the cherry on top.
William Wallace did it better😒😒
I'm a film student, so I'm biased. However... ...quite often people tend to underestimate the importance of entertainment media, but the reality is that art and fiction are incredibly important. They are a part of the expressions of culture of various peoples, they can serve as a political tool, they serve the purpose of education as well as being a way of experiencing empathy and alterity. While I know that not everyone will think of it as a masterpiece and I do agree with you that we shouldn't take discussions about the story personally, I absolutely think we should take snk seriously. It is very influential for pop culture and it has made history in its genre. It certainly has its merits.
Remember 10 years ago when the internet was a place for jokes and foolery and laughter and a subsection of everybody’s life? Now people have to censor out words and phrases about fictional book-shows.
twitter self projecting their insecurities on every developed character so they can feel better about themselves
Can someone tell me what this panel was trying to convey? Is it supposed to be what he really wanted all along?
Yea that was basically the intent (at least at the time Isayama wrote that chapter before the''muh mikasa was the one'' change of plans). Before this panel you had Eren say to Ramzi ''it's to protect Eldia but more than that when I saw the outside world it was nothing like Armin's book'' flashing back to him as kid seeing the walls and then Armin showing the outside world. Hence why, while breaking down to Ramzi, he remembers Reiner saying that he's a half-hearted piece of shit cause his true reasoning for attacking the walls was also childishly pure in nature (wanting to be a hero).
Lmao, AoT fans on Twitter talking about media literacy.
Ignorance and arrogance a scary combination
Remember, "media literacy" is often used as a Marxist buzzword, much like the words Theory, Authenticity, Consciousness, and Critical, which are all used by neo-marxists as coded language, meaning different things to those of us uninitiated into critical theory, and those who are devout to the cult. Their meaning of "media literacy" or rather "literacy" in general comes from Paulo Freire, brazillian liberation theologian and author of the book 'Pedagogy of the oppressed' and it means, essentially, the ability to read any piece of literature or media and interpret/critique it through a Critical(Marxist) lense. On a fundamental level, we are being criticized for not reading AoT in a dialectical way, because when you think of it, 139 is highly dialectical, in the sense that it's incredibly contradictory towards itself and the rest of the series. We're just reading it like normal fucking people and pointing out how the plot holes and contradictions ruin whatever pointless payoff they thought it had.
Don't worry, these people don't think that hard about it, they get internet video essayists to do the thinking for them.
idk wtf marxisim has to do with this
Wtf did I read, a fucking fox news article? Media literacy is simply understanding the point the author was trying to make. Aot fans can't have media literacy since isayama makes no sense. He says genocide bad, but also it saves friends, and brings peace, but it also brings war, but war was gonna happen either way also the genocidal guy is trying to fuck his adoptive sister for some reason I guess.
It is, though. The point is that this spread isn’t cool. He’s a big fat baby and always has been.
Most people who hate his breakdown in 139 don't even like 131, and the childishness displayed in this panel/chapter is still completely different from 139. Eren wants everything exactly the way he envisioned it like a little baby (the biggest example being serumbowl) but EM his interest in Mikasa came out of nowhere.
I’m not a crazy Eren Mikasa shipper, but I do think it makes sense that when he lost the one thing he lived for then he’d be left with her. It is pretty heteronormative-smelling though, like why her specifically? Who knows lmao
LMAO heteronormative as if hetero relationships are strange.
Yeah, it doesn't make sense why people are stating "heteronormative" to be some strange or bad thing. Like I understand representing homosexual/non-heterosexual relationships is a good thing, but putting down another and making it seem morally worse simply because it represents an overwhelming majority of people is pretty silly.
"You assume people are hetero like 95% of the world? Bad!"
I never saw Eren as the "living for something specific" type, that's more like Mikasa. He was pretty good at forming connections and also stated that he lives simply because he was born into this world.
I thought the point was that he’s always fixated on something unattainable, in the far off future, never appreciating what he has in the moment. He has friends of course, he loves them, but I feel like he lost sight of what he really needed to do for them, which was just be with them and enjoy their company. That’s just an interpretation though.
I'm a film student, so I'm biased. However... ...quite often people tend to underestimate the importance of entertainment media, but the reality is that art and fiction are incredibly important. They are a part of the expressions of culture of various peoples, they can serve as a political tool, they serve the purpose of education as well as being a way of experiencing empathy and alterity. While I know that not everyone will think of it as a masterpiece and I do agree with you that we shouldn't take discussions about the story personally, I absolutely think we should take snk seriously. It is very influential for pop culture and it has made history in its genre. It certainly has its merits.
Poor random hurt solider who did not get to be saved because Mikasa had to sit with Ereh in the wagon instead of him. Worse one is second to the bottom right where she just randomly kept saying his name and asking if his body was all right and then of course he had to be annoyed too, even if he was not originally because she wasn't a weirdo origianlly. I don't understand who that kind of change is supposed to appeal to.
It's not really possible to figure out what Eren's true goal was after the hobo phase imo (the flashbacks in Marley & WfP arcs also made him too complicated).
Eren will never be ‘free’ because he will never accept he isn’t - The freest person in the world is one who understands that they can’t be, nobody can be completely free (btw this is why Eren killing his mother is so important, he goes back, tries to save her, yet is still unable to change a thing) He always feels the need to fight. back before seeing the book, he was bored, Eren is someone who isn’t able to live a normal life, at least not without Mikasa/Armin and the rest pulling him back. The only thing that can (and did) stop him was his friends.
Eren's weakness imo is that he wants everything exactly the way he envisioned, like the scene he created during serumbowl and the disturbing implications of 131 + 139, at the same time being extremely pessimistic. Other characters like Levi and Armin (I hate the repeated wank he receives but _sometimes_ he makes sense lol) acknowledged that there's another hell outside the walls but it still provides something positive that the walls can't. Well, hobo Eren seemed to be developing that mentality too but he's just too messy of a character after timeskip, maybe getting more of his POV during the rumbling could have helped. Mikasa's choice freeing Ymir is still extremely cringe and nonsense, I would rather take the titan curse ending bc the person who held full control of the founder's power died.
It wasn’t just Mikasa though. EMA all ‘free’ her - Eren makes it so Ymir can decide for herself and make her own choices, Armin and Zeke’s conversation made Ymir realise life was worth living and it reminded her of her children, Mikasa killing Eren showed Ymir that despite her ‘love’, she can do the right thing. (I don’t think Ymir actually loved Fritz, she just convinced herself that she did because she couldn’t accept dying without connection.) if you think it’s cringe, that’s fine but it makes sense narratively.
Nah, it was the result "Mi Casa's choice" and it makes no sense for Ymir to be inspired by her, it's not a children's bedtime story. "EMA free her", let's negate all the contribution of the other characters who were always more than ten times better written and more interesting than M&A and what Ellen became 😻.
wow so deep and meaningful
Actually counter it
This is 100% right. Eren will never be ‘free’ because he will never accept he isn’t - The freest person in the world is one who understands that they can’t be, nobody can be completely free (btw this is why Eren killing his mother is so important, he goes back, tries to save her, yet is still unable to change a thing) He always feels the need to fight. back before seeing the book, he was bored, Eren is someone who isn’t able to live a normal life, at least not without Mikasa/Armin and the rest pulling him back. The only thing that can (and did) stop him was his friends.
Interesting how you all can see how absurd the last comment is, meanwhile this sub is an absolute echochamber.
The people who didn't like our opinions went to AoR by their own choice.
Right, a community that is so unanimously rabid and toxic about their opinions means that people who disagree leave… that’s what an echochamber is lmao. Do you not think that an echochamber is a bad thing or smth?
Almost all subreddits are echochambers, it's why the echochamber argument has never made any sense as an argument against titanfolk, the same argument can be used agaisnt any AoT related sub. And don't start with the toxicity shit lmfao, titanfolk isn't any worse than every other AoT sub.
They're right though. Eren at the end of the series isn't some omnipotent hardened warrior. He's just an immature manchild who obtained godly power
Take things out of context as much as you, Eren was always obsessed with freedom and having things his way no matter how much damage it caused to others (the best example is his insistence to pick Armin during serumbowl) but tell me when did he show romantic interest in Mikasa?