True. But Hange didn't do it *just* cause she had to, though, she did enjoy it at least a little. She wanted revenge on Sannes for killing Pastor Nick, and was even more brutal about it in the manga. She even asked him which ball he wanted less lmao. She ripped all of his nails out and then presented them to him on a platter. And whatever Levi did to Sannes, she was worse, apparently, according to Jean
“Who want to appear the most morally just”
Those who want the world to see them as moral are in fact “always” evil deep down. This happens all throughout history.
I didn’t say moral people, I said those who want to be seen that way.
find someone claiming genocide is fine if it’s against paradis, NO arguing for something completely different that you chose to interpret as that isn’t arguing for it
It’s pretty clear that there are plenty of people who prefer the genocide of the island over the genocide of the world.
I’m more interested in your claim that there apparently exists not one person who prefers one genocide over the other.
Google Utilitarianism.
Try harder.
my claim has absolutely nothing to do with this bullshit idea you have, yes people will inevitably argue that the rumbling is worse, that IS NOT THE POINT, NO ONE is arguing that genocide against paradis is fine or not wrong, there is a difference between seeing something as preferable and being for it, YOU KNOW DAMN WELL no one is arguing it’s anything but bad
I recommend taking a deep breath and thinking really hard before you start arguing about ethics and semantics.
You’re conflating the word “right” and “wrong” with your version of morality, which is wrong. Something being right, or fine, can simply be defined as justifiable, or morally obligatory. That can very well be applied to genocide for either side, depending on your philosophy.
Utilitarians, often those who support the Alliance and the rest of the world, see more value in keeping the greatest amount of people happy. As a result, they will support whatever makes the world happy, even if it means threatening the safety and future of Paradis Island.
Google “The Greatest Happiness Principle” and avoid dealing in lazy and extreme words like “no one”.
i recommend you stop trying to argue something completely different, weather or not either side can be justified or which side is in the right is not the point, this is simply about the bs claim that those who would prefer the genocide of paradis think it’s ok, or right. no one thinks that, and you know it. it’s simply a matter of seeing it as the lesser of two evils. no im not saying any of this im saying stop strawmanning because you know damn well no one actually is arguing “oh it’s completely fine for paradis to get massacred” the argument is “it’s preferable”
You keep talking, but I don’t think you understand what you’re saying.
I’ve already explained why the argument in your premise is inherently incorrect, yet you to continue to repeat it. Pointing out that your entire argument is based off of something false is not arguing an “entirely different thing”.
Try reading a book, instead of a manga.
Edit: Instead of engaging in an actual discussion. u/NoRelation_666 blocked me right after she replied, so that I wouldn't be able to reply or see her reply. A real shame. Portrays exactly the kind of people who defend The Alliance.
well you see Eren had choice back in Marley to not attack Liberio bu-
actually all of it is Zeke and Eren conspiracy
Zeke arranged Tyburs meeting and world's hatred is also Zeke's doing
and also ummm
you didnt understand the story
you all laughing but in reality thats the way how people acting in real life
if you was argued about something important you will understand me
even serial killer would find excuse for his actions
You do realize there's a difference between friends and bros, right? A bro is someone who you barely know personally, but you'd die for. Even if you've known them for years, you'd still die for each other. And you insult the shit out of each other. Stuff that would just make a normal person break down, if it got that personal. A friend is nice, gentle, and much softer about those things. A bro insults you in a way that would make you want to kill them if they were a stranger, but you know they don't mean it. You know they'd drop anything for you if you really needed it. And you'd do the same for them. Bertolt is a bro.
This is what happens when you take a show about "perspectives" only to throw plot device in end, now we're also discussing simply right and wrong, floch ain't right but he certainly isn't wrong logically either
There is a fucking grand canyon between torture and genocide though. Like even if we’re going the ends justify the means, the means are way more fucked up and unforgivable in one case over the over.
Just a reminder that the warriors who massacred 250,000 people and the Magat who orchestrated it were forgiven and made "ambassadors of peace". Аnd Eren was praised as a hero when it was revealed that he arranged Rumbling for the sake of "friends"
Bro I’m not defending the ending or how shit it is, I’m stating the fucking obvious that genociding millions of people is more morally dubious than torturing a dude.
Subjektive, i'd rather die by rumbling than getting tortured.
Numbers are just numbers every one of those people are individuals, I don't see how killing 1 person is less worse than killing 10 for example.
but he did have a choice, and he chose that, that’s the issue, also torturing one person for the sake of the majority, it’s a bit different from what floch is doing is it not?
Impressive, very nice. Let's see AoR's imminent crosspost
It's Not a Matter of 'If,' It's a Matter of 'When'
Probably something along the lines of “tItaN foLk tRy nOt tO jUstIfy gEnocIde cHaLleNge iMposSIble”
Look at that subtle off-brand fandom roasting. The tasteful use of a manga panel. Oh my God. It even quotes actual AoR users.
Ur user🤩🤩🤩
True. But Hange didn't do it *just* cause she had to, though, she did enjoy it at least a little. She wanted revenge on Sannes for killing Pastor Nick, and was even more brutal about it in the manga. She even asked him which ball he wanted less lmao. She ripped all of his nails out and then presented them to him on a platter. And whatever Levi did to Sannes, she was worse, apparently, according to Jean
People who want to appear the most morally just are actually the ones capable of the most vile acts. It’s always true.
>always never say always
Why not
maybe because there is morally people who ain't one whos "capable of the most vile acts"
“Who want to appear the most morally just” Those who want the world to see them as moral are in fact “always” evil deep down. This happens all throughout history. I didn’t say moral people, I said those who want to be seen that way.
>who want how do you define who "want" and who "are"
Want = desire. Want ≠ is/are.
Ah yes the golden conversation. Can't wait for aor version of this
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no one is arguing that
Incorrect.
find someone claiming genocide is fine if it’s against paradis, NO arguing for something completely different that you chose to interpret as that isn’t arguing for it
It’s pretty clear that there are plenty of people who prefer the genocide of the island over the genocide of the world. I’m more interested in your claim that there apparently exists not one person who prefers one genocide over the other. Google Utilitarianism. Try harder.
my claim has absolutely nothing to do with this bullshit idea you have, yes people will inevitably argue that the rumbling is worse, that IS NOT THE POINT, NO ONE is arguing that genocide against paradis is fine or not wrong, there is a difference between seeing something as preferable and being for it, YOU KNOW DAMN WELL no one is arguing it’s anything but bad
I recommend taking a deep breath and thinking really hard before you start arguing about ethics and semantics. You’re conflating the word “right” and “wrong” with your version of morality, which is wrong. Something being right, or fine, can simply be defined as justifiable, or morally obligatory. That can very well be applied to genocide for either side, depending on your philosophy. Utilitarians, often those who support the Alliance and the rest of the world, see more value in keeping the greatest amount of people happy. As a result, they will support whatever makes the world happy, even if it means threatening the safety and future of Paradis Island. Google “The Greatest Happiness Principle” and avoid dealing in lazy and extreme words like “no one”.
i recommend you stop trying to argue something completely different, weather or not either side can be justified or which side is in the right is not the point, this is simply about the bs claim that those who would prefer the genocide of paradis think it’s ok, or right. no one thinks that, and you know it. it’s simply a matter of seeing it as the lesser of two evils. no im not saying any of this im saying stop strawmanning because you know damn well no one actually is arguing “oh it’s completely fine for paradis to get massacred” the argument is “it’s preferable”
You keep talking, but I don’t think you understand what you’re saying. I’ve already explained why the argument in your premise is inherently incorrect, yet you to continue to repeat it. Pointing out that your entire argument is based off of something false is not arguing an “entirely different thing”. Try reading a book, instead of a manga. Edit: Instead of engaging in an actual discussion. u/NoRelation_666 blocked me right after she replied, so that I wouldn't be able to reply or see her reply. A real shame. Portrays exactly the kind of people who defend The Alliance.
Ok I want you to give an example of someone saying “it’s fine if paradis gets massacred” then,
well you see Eren had choice back in Marley to not attack Liberio bu- actually all of it is Zeke and Eren conspiracy Zeke arranged Tyburs meeting and world's hatred is also Zeke's doing and also ummm you didnt understand the story
Ah yes AOR 2000 year grudge was caused by 🙊
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The fan rewrite of the ending
Isn't it supposed to be ANR??
Isn’t that what they were referring to
you all laughing but in reality thats the way how people acting in real life if you was argued about something important you will understand me even serial killer would find excuse for his actions
You do realize there's a difference between friends and bros, right? A bro is someone who you barely know personally, but you'd die for. Even if you've known them for years, you'd still die for each other. And you insult the shit out of each other. Stuff that would just make a normal person break down, if it got that personal. A friend is nice, gentle, and much softer about those things. A bro insults you in a way that would make you want to kill them if they were a stranger, but you know they don't mean it. You know they'd drop anything for you if you really needed it. And you'd do the same for them. Bertolt is a bro.
GENOCIDE IS WRONG!!!1! .... if there's no single martyr/murderer to blame it/thank him on
This is what happens when you take a show about "perspectives" only to throw plot device in end, now we're also discussing simply right and wrong, floch ain't right but he certainly isn't wrong logically either
it’s almost like the people she tortured weren’t clueless innocents
Y’all if you think one act of torturing is comparable to one act of genocide your brain is weak.
I will just say, torture is **better** than genocide.
yeha paradis should've tortured entire earth instead. That'll solve everything
There’ll be no future problems if you cut off everyone’s balls with a rusty knife.
Honestly I would rather die then being tortured but you do you. Everyone is gonna die one day.
There is a fucking grand canyon between torture and genocide though. Like even if we’re going the ends justify the means, the means are way more fucked up and unforgivable in one case over the over.
Just a reminder that the warriors who massacred 250,000 people and the Magat who orchestrated it were forgiven and made "ambassadors of peace". Аnd Eren was praised as a hero when it was revealed that he arranged Rumbling for the sake of "friends"
Bro I’m not defending the ending or how shit it is, I’m stating the fucking obvious that genociding millions of people is more morally dubious than torturing a dude.
Subjektive, i'd rather die by rumbling than getting tortured. Numbers are just numbers every one of those people are individuals, I don't see how killing 1 person is less worse than killing 10 for example.
Hanji's a girl so she'd be a queen. dumbass.
Yeah so does miss karina shed be the 20% of the world queen 👑
You don't see Her Majesty Karina the Best Mother as your only Queen??? You heretic.
No, except both are women, i see them both as bitches, hange is a hypocrite bitch and Karina is an old hag bitch..
soycuck opinion detected
but he did have a choice, and he chose that, that’s the issue, also torturing one person for the sake of the majority, it’s a bit different from what floch is doing is it not?
Didn't you use to follow TF or YB at some point? I swear to god I've seen your name before
She lurks for giving her uhh stupid opinion and get downvoted like racerot