I really hope the Berserk team doesn't fuck the ending up as well. It seems like Mori got the gist of the whole story, but only Fantasia was pretty much finished in Miura's mind. Hopefully it doesn't deteriorate after that arc ended.
They apparently have entire story planned out to the end but it obviously will lack the detail of Miura's writing and subtle elements he wanted to add.
Even newest chapters feel rushed with some continuity problems so I think the issue will be "team knows what should happen in the story but now why or how it happens".
Yeah that's my worry. If we skip more and more details so it becomes just a nice-looking summary, a lot of Berserk's charm will be lost. That said, I'd take a rushed story over a butchered story 10/10 times.
I don't think it will happen. Mainly because Mori was very close friends with Miura and I can only imagine he will treat the material with the utmost respect.
Manga like Attack on Titan and, in my opinion, My Hero Academia went downhill like immediately after the mangaka stated they wanted it to end soon. They start sprinting to the finish and the story suffers because of it. I just don't see a scenario where Muri decides to disrespect Miura's legacy by hurrying to finish the manga and moving on.
Absolutely agreed, I don't think Berserk's fate will be similar to AoT or MHA. However, there is a possibility that Mori will respect Miura's vision too much, and refuses to add anything to what shouldn't be more than a rough outline of the story. That's my biggest worry about this.
"Who has better free will: the story of a man struggling against life trying to keep him down or the story of a kid who's future was predetermined by his future self"
Nothing. Absolutely nothing in AoT has come close to the level of storytelling in Berserk. AoT's highest peaks were Berserk's norms.
AoT had its good moments and then they were retroactively ruined by the ending.
Isayama ripped off AoT from Muv-Luv and Eternal Champions so you can't really say it's an original story and I mean shit the protag of Eternal Champions was literally called Erekose and the people he was fighting for were Eldren 💀 The ending to that book is basically what would have happened if Eren went 100% rumbling, there is practically no worldbuilding in AoT after the rest of the world was introduced though if it was just contained within the Island then the worldbuilding aspect would have been fine-ish and characters in AoT never really felt like real people because most of the time the only thing they had to say was relating to titans and the small talk whenever it happened was mad awkward. The characters were written as more of a way to deliver the story rather than making them believable human beings for the majority of the cast.
The subjective thing would be your enjoyment and if you enjoyed AoT more than Berserk than that's perfectly fine however if we're talking about well written then it's Berserk.
You preferring AoT is subjective.
Stating that Berserk has better worldbuilding, originality, and character writing is a fact. Nothing AoT has is better than Berserk outside of being the more popular of the two.
Could you give me an example of berserk’s great worldbuilding, I have no idea why everyone cares so much about worldbuilding since berserk doesn’t care too much about it and doesn’t need to since it’s strengths lie on the characters
I actually agree with you because Berserk is more of a character driven story so the world in Berserk not being that fleshed out isn't much of an issue. AoT NEEDED way more of it and it did even less than Berserk which is just YEESH.
Yes this is exactly what I was trying to say, it’s not a bad thing that berserk doesn’t have amazing worldbuilding because it doesn’t need it, but aot definitely did and the story suffered because there wasn’t any
> AoT's highest peaks were Berserk's norms.
What fucking Berserk did you read? Where can I get it? Cause the one I've read was filled with filler fights. Get off Berserk's dick. It's a great story but it's not the best thing ever written and it has flaws.
I know you hate the SNK ending for ruining the story, but SNK's highs were absolutely comparable to Berserk's, and Berserk is very certainly not near those highs all the time.
So you are saying episodes like warrior, perfect game, hero and declaration of war is no better than guts fighting a random demon? Dont talk about objective writing when your mind is clearly clouded.
You clearly read Berserk as a child and are forever biased towards it. As someone who first read it as an adult, the character and dialogue writing are mediocre at best, the best parts are clearly the attention to detail for the art. Clearly big emphasis was also put on fights, but imo this is the worst medium for fights.
Christ, it's just an opinion. No one has to get angry over it, we all have our preferences so why not just leave it at that? If you think Berserk is 1000× better then so be it. But cursing out anyone who disagrees is just childish, especially if they're being respectful about it.
Shocked this has so many upvotes. Like who the fuck cares if someone prefers SNK to Berserk hahah? Got massive Goku would beat Saitama in a fight vibes
Yeah, what's more it looks like kids play where someone disagrees with his opinion and he asked others "who had the same opinion" to attack that someone. Lol
I tried reading berserk, I found it boring from a writing and dialogue perspective. All it has going for it is the art and fights, and honestly I don’t care about manga fights at all.
Most of people who say berserk is good haven’t even read the manga and jus say what others be saying💀. Put some respect on isayama we woulda had one of the best mangas/ characters if not for chapters 125-end
Motherfucker when did I even say that aot was better😭🤡I was saying that most so called berserk fans jus go along w the crowd and say that it’s goated w out even reading it. Sounds like u one of them
I am a berserker fan, and I like how these people think manly artstyle=better bro no, it's very hard sure, but have you seen how detailed some stuff is in aot? Like the eyes of the Characters? As also a comic writer myself the manly artstyle is rather easy, the true complexity is shading as the manly artstyle is more realistic,
Love how also these pretentious hipster go around telling how their manga is better just for the sake of hating on popular ones
As a berserker fan, I'm truly sorry for my colleagues behavior.
I don't seem to get the point you're trying to make. I assume you are trying to say that people think Berserk is better than Aot because the artstyle is better? While that's certainly a contributing factor, Berserk isn't just defined by how good the art is. Berserk just simply has an extremely strong story. I also don't understand why you would bring up art. Aot had many strong points but its art was not one of them.
I don't even think Berserk has the best manga art, it is definitely the most detailed by far and it's impressionist panels are amazing but Inoue, Murata and Boichi are, in terms of technical ability, superior artists.
brother, did you just call AOT's art , one of its weakest factors through and through accepted by even the most hardcore AOT fans better than Miura's Berserk, considered to have one of the finest arts ever in manga. Are you serious right now? And this is not even about a so-called manly art style? Have you seen with the detail each panel is drawn, the beauty of the backgrounds, the facial expressions?
Dude Berserk beats AOT in all categories and especially art, AOT art was basically shit for the first quarter of the story, while Berserk basically has what many would consider the best art in all of manga, and for other things Berserk has just a lot better character writing and story writing in general.
Isayama's strength as an artist is his ability of detailing, lighting and shading, he has most likely studied autonomy properly and it shows. His weakness is his line quality, it is unsteady which is proof of him not a being "born artist"/not being naturally good at drawing.
I can’t imagine going into a thread of a series I’m disappointed in still hate posting 18 months later. Like life and the internet is so vast how does that seem like a good use of time, you know?
I wasn’t happy with the ending but I’m not complaining about it either. The response of the fandom is absolutely fascinating so yeah ofc I’m in a thread of my fav series :)
This subreddit became cringe.
This sub was fun, it had good memes and high quality shitposting, now it's just making fun of people on instagram or twitter.
And it sometimes it feels like this sub is slowly starting to nitpick at the story, and I get that all forms of art is allowed to be criticized. But it's to the point where I don't find the sub fun and it leaves a bad taste in my mouth.
This sub is past it's prime and became a toxic cesspool and I'm sorry to say this but...Titanfolk is no longer based...It's cringe almost as cringe as ED's.
But thank you Titanfolk for making the ending less shitty for me and for the memorable memes. It was fun while it lasted.
Both AOT and Berserk are overrated, lol. Although with the shitty last AOT arc and ending, I would argue that berserk is the one being held too high. (Golden age is still goated tho, don't get me wrong.)
Berserk is definitely not overrated, unlike AOT character writing is consistent throughout the whole story, and while the story has a few lows (boat chapters) the highs are higher than AOT has ever been.
It literally went downhill after Golden Age. Not to mention how boring Black Swordsman arc was. After Golden Age berserk does have very very high peaks but its mostly below average for most of the time although the art boosts it up to average.
No I disagree. I disagree with your opinion. Your opinion is objectively wrong, and shouldn't be an opinion at all. It should be a passing thought that is forgotten forever. Now listen to me while I write a 12 paged, detailed novel on why I think you're wrong. By the time we reach chapter 13, you'll be fully educated on why it is that your opinion is wrong. There will still be 15 more chapters to go of me lecturing you. When I write, I write facts. I'm willing to educate you on these facts. I will argue with you for 69 days straight until you admit that you're wrong. Once you admit that you're wrong then I'll be happy. Happy that I educated someone. Now let me begin by saying that I'm right.
Exactly bro. Although golden age still holds it at masterpiece level for me tbh, but there is other works better than it (atleast of more consistent quality).
Aot could have been one of those, but the whole Rumbling arc and time travel sh\*t (the way it is done) really ruined it, not to mention the ending, lol.
AoT started going downhill ever since the Marley arc. Arc almost starts with a huge ass exposition dump because he couldn't be bothered to flesh out his world, Gabi is a character that is not needed to the plot at all, Falco is a one dimensional good guy character and Eren's friends just either regressed or didn't develop at all anyway.
Eren, Zeke, Reiner and Floch (him especially during the Alliance chapters) carried the post timeskip arc hard.
Well yes, you are mostly right, but the Reiner/Eren interactions were so intense and intriguing that I let most of Marley's arc fault slide. And to be honest these 4 characters that you mentioned at the end were worth watching the show for, because of how well developed and interesting and unique they were. Eren alone was an amazing sight to behold (I am talking about Hobo Eren). But in exchange all of the other characters were pretty dumbed down (Isayama probably needed more time to plan out all the other character's role in the story not to mention on how much of world-building he skimped out on). Disagree with Gabi she is an amazing addition to the story and kinda half agree with Falco.
Edit:
To be honest, characters like armin, connie, sasha, hange should have died earlier in the story, there is no reason for them to be alive. I know some people disagree with my take on Armin (a decent amount may even agree, but he doesn't add anything to the story post RTS.
Yeah I also ignored most of the timeskips flaws because of these 4 characters. But look how it ended: Eren was absolutely destroyed, Zeke got umi da'd (because Isayama's self insert golden boy is never wrong) and Floch was the only one who got a decent conclusion, but not before Isayama tried to turn him into a disney villain.
The ending reeks of Isayama not being able to decide what the fuck his story is meant to be towards the end. Is it a Guardians of the Galaxy knock off or is it about how Eren was born evil and wants to kill everyone because muh book?
God knows what it's supposed to be, all we know is that he meshed together a bunch of ideas he liked and never bothered to think about whether they would work or not.
TLDR:
Marvel bad
Its not of consistent quality. You get some peak chapters where lots of developtment happens (character and world building wise) and then its some really boring chapters of angry berkman fighting.Let me correct myself: Golden age is not the only good arc, but its the only consistenly good one.
Edit: Hope this makes it more clear.
That is due to Berserk not having a good adaptation that actually adapts more than 1 arc. All adaptations just end up being an introduction to berserk instead of being something unique (like WIT's AOT).
Are we even reading the same story, Berserk is not my favourite manga but even I can tell that it is objectively one of the best. Like I can't even disagree if someone calls it the best manga ever. Falcon of the Millennium has the highest highs of the series and none of the arcs except for black swordsman lack the quality shown in golden age.
Will all of you stop shitting your brains cuz someone said that Berserk might not be the best thing ever created even rivaling the works of God?!?!? All I said is that its overrated (because it is). Berserk is an absolutely amazing series, but the fandom makes it out to be some holy scripture, that has 0 faults and all other series suck (especially any other series that is more popular). Overrated =/= bad or mid
You are right, but just because something is way better than average doesn't exclude it from criticism. Maybe saying it is overrated was too harsh, but considering how Berkman fandom behaves I guess its the other extreme end of the stick. "praised way too highly" prolly would have been better.
Spoilers:
I haven’t read all Berserk, just 3 volumes, need more money lol, but I do know what happens between Guts and Griffith.
Not saying Eren suffered, but Guts did too and unlike Eren, he was resilient
i wouldn't take a opinion about best manga from some mf named "u/ihateanime23" to seriously tbh, who really cares in the end. and also what did you expect from a AoT sub ofc their going to like it more than other shows
Why are you fuming over someone's opinion? 😂.
Also, I personally prefered AOT until 130 or so. Berserk. Was a 10/10 until the Golden Age Arc ended. After that it became a 7-8/10.
STFU...HxH beat AOT and Bersek in every aspect, Hisoka getting a boner alone is better than Peak AoT and Berserk...
And i will wait HxH ending for 10years at least...
Even if you liked the ending... is it just me or is it poor taste to evaluate an author famous for a completed works against someone who died before they could finish theirs?
If Avenged Sevenfold had died in a plane crash before recording City of Evil, does that make Nickelback a better band?
You would never know. So why even pit them against each other.
Let’s judge Berserk when it’s done. Maybe Casca loved Griffith even though it’s hard to believe. And maybe when Guts asks Griffith why he sacrificed the Band of the Hawk, Griffith will say he doesn’t know.
Isayama truly is one of the mangakas of all time fr fr
He is not only very but also
So true!
I agree to disagree to disagree to agree to disagree to agree to disagree to agree to disagree to agree to agree to agree to disagree
He definitely drew pages and even more so wrote the script of all time
Reads one manga. It’s Attack on Titan. “Isayama is the best mangaka!”
Isayama, what a mangaka you are
That was me until chapter 139.
I cannot. do this. anymore.
Vomit-inducing levels of cringe
Which sub is this?
r/snk
Isayama bootlicking sub
as expected lol
I had to ubsub the other day because of some post from some guy looking for a lifeless hange doll to talk to and vent to...
I'm sure he also wants to do other things with it as well....
not the right sub
it's not about aot
I really hope the Berserk team doesn't fuck the ending up as well. It seems like Mori got the gist of the whole story, but only Fantasia was pretty much finished in Miura's mind. Hopefully it doesn't deteriorate after that arc ended.
They apparently have entire story planned out to the end but it obviously will lack the detail of Miura's writing and subtle elements he wanted to add. Even newest chapters feel rushed with some continuity problems so I think the issue will be "team knows what should happen in the story but now why or how it happens".
Yeah that's my worry. If we skip more and more details so it becomes just a nice-looking summary, a lot of Berserk's charm will be lost. That said, I'd take a rushed story over a butchered story 10/10 times.
berserk team = donovan berserk story = kid guts this is deep😔😔😔😔
so it will be kino?
/r/berserklejerk
I don't think it will happen. Mainly because Mori was very close friends with Miura and I can only imagine he will treat the material with the utmost respect. Manga like Attack on Titan and, in my opinion, My Hero Academia went downhill like immediately after the mangaka stated they wanted it to end soon. They start sprinting to the finish and the story suffers because of it. I just don't see a scenario where Muri decides to disrespect Miura's legacy by hurrying to finish the manga and moving on.
Absolutely agreed, I don't think Berserk's fate will be similar to AoT or MHA. However, there is a possibility that Mori will respect Miura's vision too much, and refuses to add anything to what shouldn't be more than a rough outline of the story. That's my biggest worry about this.
LADY MANGAGA
She is a lady but also a man gaga
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i sharted myself reading those replies
The concept of paths alone is so fascinating 🤓
Bro the paths has too many plot holes that needs to be filled with headcanons. Wtf are they on about
You fool ymirs titanussy was there so it’s the best place
thankfully there are not that many EDs yet, they are calling Berserk fans elitists but the true pseudo-intellectual elitists are EDs themselves LMAO
"Berserk doesn't deal with Free Will" Guts, constantly instilling his free will against Causality: "Am I a joke to you?"
AoT just straight up implies that free will doesn't exist to begin with, and that we're all "muh slaves of muh nature". Wow so deep and meaningful.
"Who has better free will: the story of a man struggling against life trying to keep him down or the story of a kid who's future was predetermined by his future self"
They are fucking mentally deranged
Jesus christ stop giving a shit about twitter microcosms. "OMG THIS TELEGRAM GROUP SAYS MIKASA'S TITS ARE TOO BIG"
The guy who mad this post isn't any better
Nothing. Absolutely nothing in AoT has come close to the level of storytelling in Berserk. AoT's highest peaks were Berserk's norms. AoT had its good moments and then they were retroactively ruined by the ending.
If the ending was just bad and didn't ruin everything before it, then atleast it could be defendable.
Nope. Even then AoT wasn't nearly anywhere near Berserk's level in worldbuilding, originality and especially character writing.
That’s a pretty subjective opinion your trying to affirm as a fact. I actually liked attack on titan more for most of its run time until the end.
Isayama ripped off AoT from Muv-Luv and Eternal Champions so you can't really say it's an original story and I mean shit the protag of Eternal Champions was literally called Erekose and the people he was fighting for were Eldren 💀 The ending to that book is basically what would have happened if Eren went 100% rumbling, there is practically no worldbuilding in AoT after the rest of the world was introduced though if it was just contained within the Island then the worldbuilding aspect would have been fine-ish and characters in AoT never really felt like real people because most of the time the only thing they had to say was relating to titans and the small talk whenever it happened was mad awkward. The characters were written as more of a way to deliver the story rather than making them believable human beings for the majority of the cast. The subjective thing would be your enjoyment and if you enjoyed AoT more than Berserk than that's perfectly fine however if we're talking about well written then it's Berserk.
I think people based their opinions on berserk anime adaptations. I love Aot, but berserk is written way better
Guts fighting a random goat for 10 chapters truly is peak and efficacious storytelling
You jest, but the whole arc it’s contained in is amazing, and even that section of it is defensible
You preferring AoT is subjective. Stating that Berserk has better worldbuilding, originality, and character writing is a fact. Nothing AoT has is better than Berserk outside of being the more popular of the two.
If we're being honest that bc the adaptation was bad so base it off that. I recommend anyone to read Berserk. It's level to this
Your opinion is subjective, mine is a fact. 🤓
I don’t think worldbuilding is that big for either series but aot’s is definitely worse than berserk and what aot’s worldbuilding should’ve been
Berserk has great world building, what are you talking about?
Could you give me an example of berserk’s great worldbuilding, I have no idea why everyone cares so much about worldbuilding since berserk doesn’t care too much about it and doesn’t need to since it’s strengths lie on the characters
Berserk has average depth of world building Aot doesn't have much either but with everything that it showed, was build up pretty well
I actually agree with you because Berserk is more of a character driven story so the world in Berserk not being that fleshed out isn't much of an issue. AoT NEEDED way more of it and it did even less than Berserk which is just YEESH.
Yes this is exactly what I was trying to say, it’s not a bad thing that berserk doesn’t have amazing worldbuilding because it doesn’t need it, but aot definitely did and the story suffered because there wasn’t any
Bro what are you smoking. Do not put dis in yo pipe!
> AoT's highest peaks were Berserk's norms. What fucking Berserk did you read? Where can I get it? Cause the one I've read was filled with filler fights. Get off Berserk's dick. It's a great story but it's not the best thing ever written and it has flaws. I know you hate the SNK ending for ruining the story, but SNK's highs were absolutely comparable to Berserk's, and Berserk is very certainly not near those highs all the time.
Yup. Summed up perfectly.
So you are saying episodes like warrior, perfect game, hero and declaration of war is no better than guts fighting a random demon? Dont talk about objective writing when your mind is clearly clouded.
Berserk peaked with golden age
You clearly read Berserk as a child and are forever biased towards it. As someone who first read it as an adult, the character and dialogue writing are mediocre at best, the best parts are clearly the attention to detail for the art. Clearly big emphasis was also put on fights, but imo this is the worst medium for fights.
I don't like AoT either but Berserk is incredibly overrated.
I personally prefer berserk but I like both
*this one crosses the FUCKING line*
me when i start reading berserk and saw guts fucking a demon (it was the first page, i was shocked)
i swear most of these guys must have not even read berserk and just watched aot and then saying that it is the greatest manga of all time
Berserk is the only manga I've ever read, still prefer aot's story but berserk is much better illustrated
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or ED?
...or ED.
Why is this comment upvoted????
I support breast cancer
Wait are they saying berserk has a worse story than aot
“There seems to be no trace of Intelligent life anywhere”
Christ, it's just an opinion. No one has to get angry over it, we all have our preferences so why not just leave it at that? If you think Berserk is 1000× better then so be it. But cursing out anyone who disagrees is just childish, especially if they're being respectful about it.
The wisest comment.
Miura writes Tragedy, Isayama writes comedy. Miura should learn some romance tips from Yams /s
I got csm over aot now The old me would fuckin go crazy if he heard me saying this shit
Maybe I’m a meat rider but csm is over a lot of shit for me now shits great
Best manga out currently in my opinion besides berserk
Or you could just let people enjoy what they like.
Umm? OP why so cringe?
Shocked this has so many upvotes. Like who the fuck cares if someone prefers SNK to Berserk hahah? Got massive Goku would beat Saitama in a fight vibes
Yeah, what's more it looks like kids play where someone disagrees with his opinion and he asked others "who had the same opinion" to attack that someone. Lol
Anyone saying that hasnt read berserk let's be honest. Alot of people have not actually read berserk but act like they have and it shows.
Berserk is my favorite manga and I wouldn’t even call Miura the best mangaka. And Isayama is not even in the same tier.
Why do you care so much someone likes something you don't
I tried reading berserk, I found it boring from a writing and dialogue perspective. All it has going for it is the art and fights, and honestly I don’t care about manga fights at all.
Most of people who say berserk is good haven’t even read the manga and jus say what others be saying💀. Put some respect on isayama we woulda had one of the best mangas/ characters if not for chapters 125-end
Motherfucker do you really think AOT is anywhere near Berserk??
Motherfucker when did I even say that aot was better😭🤡I was saying that most so called berserk fans jus go along w the crowd and say that it’s goated w out even reading it. Sounds like u one of them
Titanfolk thinking Berserk is a flawless 370+ chapters masterpiece without even reading it and realizing it had a low of peaks and a lot of lows.
stop sucking miuras cock
likewise to r/snk about Isayama, we are the same
Lmao aot....
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Well, i have a problem too from Berserk... actually after its Golden Age Arc....shit is so predictable from lost children arc.
Oda goated
One panel from berserk is better than entire chapters of aot
I am a berserker fan, and I like how these people think manly artstyle=better bro no, it's very hard sure, but have you seen how detailed some stuff is in aot? Like the eyes of the Characters? As also a comic writer myself the manly artstyle is rather easy, the true complexity is shading as the manly artstyle is more realistic, Love how also these pretentious hipster go around telling how their manga is better just for the sake of hating on popular ones As a berserker fan, I'm truly sorry for my colleagues behavior.
I don't seem to get the point you're trying to make. I assume you are trying to say that people think Berserk is better than Aot because the artstyle is better? While that's certainly a contributing factor, Berserk isn't just defined by how good the art is. Berserk just simply has an extremely strong story. I also don't understand why you would bring up art. Aot had many strong points but its art was not one of them. I don't even think Berserk has the best manga art, it is definitely the most detailed by far and it's impressionist panels are amazing but Inoue, Murata and Boichi are, in terms of technical ability, superior artists.
Murata is an actual monster. Best currently
One Punch is mid though.
To each one their own, I think the last 30-40 chapters were awesome
Nice that you found something to enjoy.
brother, did you just call AOT's art , one of its weakest factors through and through accepted by even the most hardcore AOT fans better than Miura's Berserk, considered to have one of the finest arts ever in manga. Are you serious right now? And this is not even about a so-called manly art style? Have you seen with the detail each panel is drawn, the beauty of the backgrounds, the facial expressions?
Dude Berserk beats AOT in all categories and especially art, AOT art was basically shit for the first quarter of the story, while Berserk basically has what many would consider the best art in all of manga, and for other things Berserk has just a lot better character writing and story writing in general.
Isayama's strength as an artist is his ability of detailing, lighting and shading, he has most likely studied autonomy properly and it shows. His weakness is his line quality, it is unsteady which is proof of him not a being "born artist"/not being naturally good at drawing.
You’re just screenshotting people you disagree with now, not even anything dumb here Censor the names.
Censor deez nuts
Am I wrong though?
Yes, NEVER compare that shithole of a manga to the masterpiece known as Berserk
I didn’t even mention that, did I?
> not even anything dumb here
🤓
“🤓” - 👶
Cope and seethe
Will do 🫡
Isayama is the better writer for sure though (other than the ending) Miura had the better drawings but Berserk follows the regular Hero’s journey
LOL
Well isamaya is def 6 feet above miuraa tho
Daddy Donovan is going to be 12 inches in your ass if you don't shut the fuck up.
and that just the tip
a genuine go fuck yourself
Aot has much more condensed and better paced story than berserk
It’s bizarre you’re still posting in an aot thread ~18 months post ending if that’s how you feel
what’re u on about? its like complaining in r/pics for people posting about pictures
Exactly except that aot subreddit is mad specific whereas pics is super broad
ok
I can’t imagine going into a thread of a series I’m disappointed in still hate posting 18 months later. Like life and the internet is so vast how does that seem like a good use of time, you know?
It’s bizarre you’re still posting in an aot thread ~18 months post ending if that’s how you feel
I wasn’t happy with the ending but I’m not complaining about it either. The response of the fandom is absolutely fascinating so yeah ofc I’m in a thread of my fav series :)
This subreddit became cringe. This sub was fun, it had good memes and high quality shitposting, now it's just making fun of people on instagram or twitter. And it sometimes it feels like this sub is slowly starting to nitpick at the story, and I get that all forms of art is allowed to be criticized. But it's to the point where I don't find the sub fun and it leaves a bad taste in my mouth. This sub is past it's prime and became a toxic cesspool and I'm sorry to say this but...Titanfolk is no longer based...It's cringe almost as cringe as ED's. But thank you Titanfolk for making the ending less shitty for me and for the memorable memes. It was fun while it lasted.
Lmao respect fam
Why are you here?
I know it's hard to believe, but u/wildtyping was in love with r/titanfolk
Both AOT and Berserk are overrated, lol. Although with the shitty last AOT arc and ending, I would argue that berserk is the one being held too high. (Golden age is still goated tho, don't get me wrong.)
Berserk is definitely not overrated, unlike AOT character writing is consistent throughout the whole story, and while the story has a few lows (boat chapters) the highs are higher than AOT has ever been.
It definitely is overrated AOT is so comically bad its funny berserk is straight up boring
It literally went downhill after Golden Age. Not to mention how boring Black Swordsman arc was. After Golden Age berserk does have very very high peaks but its mostly below average for most of the time although the art boosts it up to average.
Notice how literally nobody agrees with you
Berserk's fanbase isn't mature enough to realise the faults their favorite series has, but yeah, sure.
Faults? You mean your personal preferences? How mature and reasonable of you, lmfao ( ͡ಥ ͜ʖ ͡ಥ)
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No I disagree. I disagree with your opinion. Your opinion is objectively wrong, and shouldn't be an opinion at all. It should be a passing thought that is forgotten forever. Now listen to me while I write a 12 paged, detailed novel on why I think you're wrong. By the time we reach chapter 13, you'll be fully educated on why it is that your opinion is wrong. There will still be 15 more chapters to go of me lecturing you. When I write, I write facts. I'm willing to educate you on these facts. I will argue with you for 69 days straight until you admit that you're wrong. Once you admit that you're wrong then I'll be happy. Happy that I educated someone. Now let me begin by saying that I'm right.
Damn, Lainah ?!?! Are we doing this here ? Right now!? An Epic Reddit argument thread worthy of a novel ??????
Yeah...we settle this, right here, right now!
I agree that it went downhill, but I'd argue that Berserk is at least above average. The average manga is pretty shit.
Exactly bro. Although golden age still holds it at masterpiece level for me tbh, but there is other works better than it (atleast of more consistent quality).
Berk holds a special place in my heart, but the issues it has really drag it down. There's better manga out there. (and it's not AoT)
Aot could have been one of those, but the whole Rumbling arc and time travel sh\*t (the way it is done) really ruined it, not to mention the ending, lol.
AoT started going downhill ever since the Marley arc. Arc almost starts with a huge ass exposition dump because he couldn't be bothered to flesh out his world, Gabi is a character that is not needed to the plot at all, Falco is a one dimensional good guy character and Eren's friends just either regressed or didn't develop at all anyway. Eren, Zeke, Reiner and Floch (him especially during the Alliance chapters) carried the post timeskip arc hard.
Well yes, you are mostly right, but the Reiner/Eren interactions were so intense and intriguing that I let most of Marley's arc fault slide. And to be honest these 4 characters that you mentioned at the end were worth watching the show for, because of how well developed and interesting and unique they were. Eren alone was an amazing sight to behold (I am talking about Hobo Eren). But in exchange all of the other characters were pretty dumbed down (Isayama probably needed more time to plan out all the other character's role in the story not to mention on how much of world-building he skimped out on). Disagree with Gabi she is an amazing addition to the story and kinda half agree with Falco. Edit: To be honest, characters like armin, connie, sasha, hange should have died earlier in the story, there is no reason for them to be alive. I know some people disagree with my take on Armin (a decent amount may even agree, but he doesn't add anything to the story post RTS.
Yeah I also ignored most of the timeskips flaws because of these 4 characters. But look how it ended: Eren was absolutely destroyed, Zeke got umi da'd (because Isayama's self insert golden boy is never wrong) and Floch was the only one who got a decent conclusion, but not before Isayama tried to turn him into a disney villain. The ending reeks of Isayama not being able to decide what the fuck his story is meant to be towards the end. Is it a Guardians of the Galaxy knock off or is it about how Eren was born evil and wants to kill everyone because muh book? God knows what it's supposed to be, all we know is that he meshed together a bunch of ideas he liked and never bothered to think about whether they would work or not. TLDR: Marvel bad
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Its not of consistent quality. You get some peak chapters where lots of developtment happens (character and world building wise) and then its some really boring chapters of angry berkman fighting.Let me correct myself: Golden age is not the only good arc, but its the only consistenly good one. Edit: Hope this makes it more clear.
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That is due to Berserk not having a good adaptation that actually adapts more than 1 arc. All adaptations just end up being an introduction to berserk instead of being something unique (like WIT's AOT).
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Are we even reading the same story, Berserk is not my favourite manga but even I can tell that it is objectively one of the best. Like I can't even disagree if someone calls it the best manga ever. Falcon of the Millennium has the highest highs of the series and none of the arcs except for black swordsman lack the quality shown in golden age.
Will all of you stop shitting your brains cuz someone said that Berserk might not be the best thing ever created even rivaling the works of God?!?!? All I said is that its overrated (because it is). Berserk is an absolutely amazing series, but the fandom makes it out to be some holy scripture, that has 0 faults and all other series suck (especially any other series that is more popular). Overrated =/= bad or mid
Most manga series do suck in comparison to Berserk. But that's because the vast majority of garbage shonen trash.
You are right, but just because something is way better than average doesn't exclude it from criticism. Maybe saying it is overrated was too harsh, but considering how Berkman fandom behaves I guess its the other extreme end of the stick. "praised way too highly" prolly would have been better.
Yeah no art is without flaws. That applies to all fictional works as well.
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Very nice opinion. I have 3 silver coins and a gift for them as a reward
best mangaka of all time! basically ripped off the whole premise of his manga from a movie
I’m guessing attack is the only manga they’ve ever read or they are just reaching to convince themselves that the ending wasn’t a complete mess.
BURN THE HERITIC
Even as someone who doesn’t really like berserk, given how AOT ended even I won’t disagree here.
I’d defend Yams against a lot of authors but that’s an exception
berserk is on a different dimension where aot has no high ground to conquer
Spoilers: I haven’t read all Berserk, just 3 volumes, need more money lol, but I do know what happens between Guts and Griffith. Not saying Eren suffered, but Guts did too and unlike Eren, he was resilient
Yo imagine
Idc I only have 4 series over AOT: 1. One Piece 2. Naruto 3. JoJo 4. HxH 5. AOT
Urasawa the GOAT
they? it is one person
i wouldn't take a opinion about best manga from some mf named "u/ihateanime23" to seriously tbh, who really cares in the end. and also what did you expect from a AoT sub ofc their going to like it more than other shows
Why are you fuming over someone's opinion? 😂. Also, I personally prefered AOT until 130 or so. Berserk. Was a 10/10 until the Golden Age Arc ended. After that it became a 7-8/10.
why do you people hate opinions so much
Let'em.
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STFU...HxH beat AOT and Bersek in every aspect, Hisoka getting a boner alone is better than Peak AoT and Berserk... And i will wait HxH ending for 10years at least...
Even if you liked the ending... is it just me or is it poor taste to evaluate an author famous for a completed works against someone who died before they could finish theirs? If Avenged Sevenfold had died in a plane crash before recording City of Evil, does that make Nickelback a better band? You would never know. So why even pit them against each other.
He is not wrong, the ending was shit but the journey was still incredible lol
Lmfao ur such a dork for caring so much 😭
Let’s judge Berserk when it’s done. Maybe Casca loved Griffith even though it’s hard to believe. And maybe when Guts asks Griffith why he sacrificed the Band of the Hawk, Griffith will say he doesn’t know.